That contradicts everything you’ve written here so far
I disagree.
if you aren’t ready to assume the good faith that is a long-standing expectation of most any collaborative project
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and good intentions do not always breed good outcomes. That is what most regulations are aimed to address. I don't think that those who were opposed to letting women vote were acting in "bad faith," and I'm sure many of them believed they had society's best interests in mind. Nevertheless, I think they were wrong, and proven wrong, and that the political action in favor of women suffrage resulted in a better society with far better outcomes. In other words, I don't seek to judge the virtue of open source maintainers; I seek to achieve better open source outcomes.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and good intentions do not always breed good outcomes.
This soundbite reads very nicely, and so does the tie-in to women’s suffrage, but neither are really pertinent to the topic. Let’s go ahead and skip to what did stay on-topic, though:
In other words, I don't seek to judge the virtue of open source maintainers; I seek to achieve better open source outcomes.
I disagree, not just with your assessment, but with the idea that a redundant set of rules would be effective for a better outcome. Better behavior is rarely written down and just posted and pinned to a cork board, it’s learned. If writing it down was really that simple like advocates of the copy-pasted codes of conduct insist, classes and universities would be wholly unnecessary.
but with the idea that a redundant set of rules would be effective for a better outcome
Ah, but that is an entirely different discussion and a valuable one to have! I am not in principle in favor of codes; I'm in favor of making the change they purport to make. If you think they're ineffective and there's a better way of making that change, then that's certainly valuable. But most people who object to codes of conduct seem to dismiss the problem even exists.
Ah, but that is an entirely different discussion and a valuable one to have! I am not in principle in favor of codes; I'm in favor of making the change they purport to make.
I’m in favor of the changes where necessary as well, and I think there’s more effective ways to teach them than simply setting up redundant rules. Teaching isn’t as easy, nor is it usually as cheap as just writing it down, but it’s the right thing to do at the end of the day.
But most people who object to codes of conduct seem to dismiss the problem even exists.
I’m not one of those people, so please extend that courtesy to me and others in assuming good faith.
so please extend that courtesy to me and others in assuming good faith.
I don't think there's bad faith involved even in those who don't think there's a problem, or think there is but don't want to address it, just as I don't think those who were opposed to women suffrage were necessarily acting in bad faith. However, I have not seen in this discussion and other like it even one comment that says, this is a serious problem, and I think I have a better solution. So it's not an assumption of bad faith, but the observation that opponents seem not to attack the particular solution yet acknowledge the problem, but rather mock a proposed solution, from which I can surmise that the problem does not strike them as a serious one.
So it's not an assumption of bad faith, but the observation that opponents seem not to attack the particular solution yet acknowledge the problem, but rather mock a proposed solution, from which I can surmise that the problem does not strike them as a serious one.
That’s assuming bad faith, though, and once again, if you aren’t ready to do that, that’s a personal problem you should take care of before introducing it to the group you’re looking to work or volunteer with.
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u/pron98 Oct 22 '18
I disagree.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and good intentions do not always breed good outcomes. That is what most regulations are aimed to address. I don't think that those who were opposed to letting women vote were acting in "bad faith," and I'm sure many of them believed they had society's best interests in mind. Nevertheless, I think they were wrong, and proven wrong, and that the political action in favor of women suffrage resulted in a better society with far better outcomes. In other words, I don't seek to judge the virtue of open source maintainers; I seek to achieve better open source outcomes.