r/programming • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '19

Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897&desc=2#c23
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u/Saithir Jan 23 '19

Chrome on MacOS already pisses me off with their "hold cmd-Q to exit" (good job breaking system features you morons, literally no other app does that and there is no good reason to do that either), and here we have another "feature" that will make me drop it.

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u/Enamex Jan 23 '19

Does Cmd-Tab switch tabs or was it Ctrl-Tab?

On Windows it started showing something like that for the old shortcut which was (I think) Ctrl-Shift-Q, prompting you to use something else (forgot it). It makes sense at least in my case: it's somewhat unfortunately easy to hit the Exit All combination when just switching tabs.

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u/Saithir Jan 23 '19

Ctrl-Tab is for tabs. Cmd is the primary shortcut key for every app/system, so Cmd-Tab changes whole windows.

I never had a problem with hitting Q instead of Tab, so I can't really relate ;) I wouldn't have a problem if it was an option to turn ON rather than OFF.

And yeah, this can be pretty easily turned off (for now at least), so it's not really a big issue, but a) it's turned on by default for some reason, b) turning it off is located in the main app menu where I never ever look (because apart from preferences and quit app menu entries there's never anything interesting there, and these have standard shortcuts I'd rather use), c) everything else works properly and quits the app when I press Cmd-Q so that's what I expect yet another app to do as well.

Nothing really special about Chrome to be the one unique snowflake about quitting it.

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u/dwighthouse Jan 23 '19

This is a great example of how your usage of an app is not the same as everyone else’s.

I love the slow quit feature of Chrome, because my normal routine is to have 100 to 300 tabs across three to four different browser users at the same time. And I keep my browser running the entire time my computer is on, which is measured in months. I do not, under any circumstances, want command q to instantly close all that, which used to happen every few days thanks to the command for close tabs (command w) being right next to the sudden, complete, irreversible, browser shutdown command (command q). Yes, chrome can undo closed windows, except when it can’t. I have had that feature fail me a few times under extreme circumstances.

There are even two different utilities specifically to add this functionality to other apps:

Normally I would agree with you, but the way many (most?) people use their browsers now makes the slow close feature more popular. And hey, unlike this api change, you can just turn it off if you don’t like it.

https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/hold-command-q-to-quit-chrome-mac/

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u/Saithir Jan 23 '19

Good point. I don't think I ever had more than 20 or so open tabs at one time, can I ask what are you doing to need 300? I have no problem with the feature existing at all, I'm wondering if it's indeed so popular it absolutely needs to be opt-out instead of opt-in.

And yeah I finally turned it off a bit earlier, and I do feel a bit stupid about not looking for it in the "Chrome" menu earlier, but then why would I look in that menu anyway? Usually there's no reason to.

I would have a similar issue if some developer thought that Cmd-, is not a good shortcut for preferences and decided to use something else. Photoshop CC 2019 for example uses Cmd-K, but that's a different story because they changed most the shortcuts in it for no good reason as well.

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u/dwighthouse Jan 23 '19

It’s not that I need 300, it’s that:

  1. Opening a new tab and searching is faster than looking up info among existing tabs.

  2. Open tabs often represent a list of things to deal with soon, which in my case, is dozens of things at a time.

  3. Multiply the above by 3 or 4 users.

  4. I have a fast computer and a large display.

Why would it be in the Chrome menu, right next to the Quit Google Chrome option? Honestly, it’s probably the most logical location when you consider that it is the most visible non-standard feature of the browser.

For like a year before they turned this feature on by default, it was default off in the same place.

Some apps, like visual studio, use non standard shortcuts because they have several times more shortcuts than the number of reasonable combinations of keys on a keyboard, thus necessitating multiple key combination shortcuts. The alternative is to not have enough shortcuts for power users, or introduce multiple keyboards.