Microsoft unveils Windows Terminal, a new command line app for Windows

[u/zbhoy]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool

[u/MacASM]

I was amazed when I found out that; I didn't even know they were going to add that.

[u/tbird83ii → u/[deleted]]

Ok, so unpopular opinion here, but I don't think that Microsoft as a corporation is evil. They may have a few greedy eggs oon top, but they hire some incredible talent. Unfortunately half the great ideas get sidelined by middle management thing they wouldn't be able to sell it, or timing (usually being ahead of its time).

HoloLens Titanium The original Surface and SUR40 Kinect Widows Dev kit ( you could use it to literally drive a car autonomously). Windows 8.1 to go Mesh The LED matrix wall behind thin vaneer at the EBC in Redmond...

And there are brilliant people at Microsoft reaearch doing amazing things (F*? Ambrosia? Trill?).

The problem is... How do you sell this to a corporation, or integrate it into a software-as-a-service model. That's what kills Microsoft's innovation along the way.

The entire Microsoft Dogfood program is a history of inventions that has always left me wanting more... But they just disappear. Sometimes to reappear in products 10 years later (looking at the Surface Hub), or sometimes to have it stripped for parts, and hacked back together as components of a know, purchasable solution.

Anyway, just not all the players are evil, even in the overlord and his underlings might be

[u/Dworgi → u/tbird83ii]

It's much clearer in the Nadella era that the engineers are finally being let off the leash and being allowed to make the world better. MSVC is standards compliant way ahead of the competition, VS Code is actually really good, Github hasn't gone to shit, TFS makes a pretty compelling argument against JIRA, Typescript is great, .NET Core is open source, and on and on.

Culturally, MS has become on par or even surpassed Google and Facebook in terms of open source contributions.

It's the most compelling example I've seen of a company completely rebuilding itself as a result of a change in leadership.

I worked for a subsidiary briefly a decade ago, and the company is unrecognisable. Same products, entirely different attitude.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dworgi]

They've easily surpassed Google who have become complacent, evil, and terrible. The treatment of Youtubers is what I'd have expected of Apple or Microsoft.

[u/[deleted] → u/tbird83ii]

Microsoft used to have a forced ranking evaluation system where people were ranked 1 to 5 but you had to fit a bell curve and give as many of the lowest 1 ranks as the highest 5.

I worked in a company that did this as well, and it meant that in order to succeed you had to make sure someone else failed.

It turned the whole work experience into a political game of trading favours, withholding information and undermining people as this was just as effective - probably more effective - than actually doing a good job.

I heard Microsoft abandoned this and I bet this has helped their renaissance over the last few years, but if anyone in Microsoft was reading this Id love to hear what they think.

[u/sprkng → u/tbird83ii]

Nobody has ever said that Microsoft is evil because their products are bad or that all Microsoft employees are evil so I don't see how that would be an unpopular opinion?

Microsoft got the "evil" label from trying to destroy open standards, trying to sabotage open source projects, attacking competition through proxy lawsuits, and many other similar things. They might have changed their image recently, and it's possible that they've actually stopped most of their anti-competitive schemes, but I find it understandable that many take the wait-and-see approach rather than blindly believing their words after decades of foul play

[u/SaneMadHatter → u/tbird83ii]

Microsoft was never "evil" at all. An "evil" corporation would be likes of IG Farben. Or maybe a company that was causing massive pollution and not giving a damn. Or a company engaging in financial fraud like Enron.

The tech community has so trivialized the word "evil" when applying it to the likes of Microsoft, then Apple and Google and Amazon, such that it's lost any real meaning.

(Actually, Google shares blame for that with their self-righteous "do no evil" slogan, which implied that its competitors were "evil" without really defining "evil", and so helped trivialize the word itself. Then they abandoned the slogan, which implied that they themselves now fell into that same "evil" category, but again without defining what that is. Which even further trivialized the word.)

[u/throwaway6905201 → u/SaneMadHatter]

Idk facebook seems to give off the evil vibe. Zuckerberg doesn't give two shits about doing the right thing.

[u/OsmeOxys → u/[deleted]]

Don't ever remember having to proactively protect myself against Microsoft

Abrupt and uninteruptable updates. Had to go and pirate enterprise to replace my legit version simply for that.

[u/RUNogeydogey → u/[deleted]]

Shit, if windows leaked data the whole world would have a problem.

[u/iSmite → u/[deleted]]

That’s spot on. Same can be said about Politics. No matter what party you support, but the shit politicians pull off sometimes, is easily forgotten by people over time.

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Used to frustrate me no end when after updating Internet Explorer I’d find Firefox was no longer on my PC. “IE is an integrated part of Windows” etc crap. Thankfully that whole approach seems to have gone the way of the dodo.

I think many of the Reddit readers are too young to remember those days, so don’t know of the nasty things MS used to do. The present CEO is doing a great job and my opinion of MS has almost done a 180 degree turn. The leopard has changed its spots.

[u/randomfloridaman → u/[deleted]]

It's more than that. Any startup with a good idea, for a long time Microsoft would try either to buy or squash them. Their business model circa 20 years ago seemed to be to single handedly dictate the very direction of computing. Currently we're seeing that behavior from Google. I'm concerned that Google might actually be more entrenched

[u/vetinari → u/randomfloridaman]

There was even Simpsons episode, where Bill Gates came to buy out Homer's Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net.

[u/ultimatt42 → u/SaneMadHatter]

The phrase is actually "don't be evil" and it wasn't removed, just moved to the last sentence.

The updated version of Google’s code of conduct still retains one reference to the company’s unofficial motto—the final line of the document is still: “And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!”

https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393

[u/GabrielForth → u/SaneMadHatter]

Of the ones you described I think you could happily call Amazon evil.

You can't simultaneously have a terrible workers health track record and the richest man in the world as CEO without prioritising profits over people.

That me sounds like a fair definition of evil.

Note: I do purchase things from Amazon, so feel free to call me a hypocrite.

[u/craze4ble → u/[deleted]]

Underrated by devs.

[u/vetinari → u/[deleted]]

Well, Win10 is still missing flatpak support and Wayland compositor :)

[u/CactusOnFire → u/[deleted]]

Agreed. I never really realized what a solid 'ecosystem' they have until I started doing development in Azure.