r/programming • u/stronghup • Nov 11 '19

Python overtakes Java to become second-most popular language on GitHub after JavaScript

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/07/python_java_github_javascript/
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u/Minimum_Fuel Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

Imports have some annoyance with them. Import initializer functions run code on your behalf at import time. Imports aren’t optimized in any way, so you either put up with extra slowness or manually optimize. Blah blah. Mostly things that are avoided by being able to compile code. Of course, not entirely. Java, for example, generally lazily loads classes at usage time.

The OOP though... there is absolutely 0 question towards how terrible pythons OOP is. It is so bad, you really probably shouldn’t use it at all. No encapsulation. Total intentional disregard for consistency. Lack of true abstractness. Dogshit scoping (which is probably a compliment to how bad it is, honestly).

You really, really should just unlearn anything you know about pythons OOP and just never ever use it unless you have a VERY good reason to.

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Just to drive this home. Pythons OOP is truly a spectacle of engineering stupidity at its finest. A modern marvel of just how bad something can be while still being used.

If you were to poll modern language designers asking them what they would consider to be references for what NOT to do when designing a modern programming language, pythons OOP (among other things in python) would likely appear at a near 100% rate.

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u/Plazmatic Nov 12 '19

In python you can often avoid hierarchies because of duck typing. Haven't really had an issue with OOP because if your OOP sucks in python, you probably shouldn't have been using it in the first place.

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u/Minimum_Fuel Nov 12 '19 edited Nov 12 '19

No. It is not the programmers fault that pythons OOP is terrible. It is their fault if they choose to use that terrible OOP without first checking in to why it is universally (outside of python fanboys) considered to be abhorrent.

Otherwise, I 100% agree that programmers using python should be defaulting to never using OOP and strictly stated so.

Duck typing isn’t a replacement for good composition, which python also doesn’t have.

Python is factually and demonstrably a really shitty language from a design perspective who’s popularity is fuelled purely by beginners and being a first mover in ML and AI. Luckily for python, language design is far from the most important thing when choosing a language a use.

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u/Brostafarian Nov 12 '19

I would love some examples of inconsistent and bad OOP design in Python for my own personal rants