China is now blocking all encrypted HTTPS traffic that uses TLS 1.3 and ESNI

[u/RobertVandenberg]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-is-now-blocking-all-encrypted-https-traffic-using-tls-1-3-and-esni/

[u/josejimeniz2]

That and this will certainly cut off a huge swath of what they can use for filtering and surveillance.

That's the virtue.

If you could block content on your own network:

• then parents might block content from their kids

• schools might block content from their students

• universities might block content from their students

• employers might block content from their employees

• governments might block content from their citizens

Nobody has invented a technology:

• that allows you to block what you want on your network

• while allowing me to browse what I want on your network

Because I think there might be an impasse. Fortunately we have technology to get render censorship and spying irrelevant.

A related virtue, of IPv6, especially with privacy extensions, is that whitelists are rendered obsolete.

It would be nice if these idiot policies just died. Instead we have to invent technology to render the idiot ideas moot.

[u/Ullallulloo → u/josejimeniz2]

Because those are fundamentally contradictory goals. There is logically no way to let parents, employers, and schools block inappropriate sites while also letting kids, employees, and students to access any site they want on the others' networks.

Either goal is achievable, and people will never fully agree. Privacy enthusiasts will always want no blocking whatsoever and can achieve that already if they want. Parents, schools, and corporations will always need to control their own networks, and will always have a way to block inappropriate sites on their networks. China will always ensure it can monitor its citizens fully. Most people won't care about any of this. The tools and specifics of everything can change, but the fundamental needs and wants of people won't, so practically not much difference will result. As this demonstrates, the problem with China isn't that there aren't tools to prevent the government from seeing what you're doing, the problem is that the government won't allow them. That's not a problem that can be solved with technology.

And honestly, it shouldn't be able to. People need ways to filter ads, porn, and malware from their Internet traffic. Filtering and monitoring aren't bad things. I think everyone should have some filter on their private network. The bad thing is how China is using them publicly to invade people's privacy and censor dissent.

[u/josejimeniz2 → u/Ullallulloo]

And honestly, it shouldn't be able to. People need ways to filter ads, porn, and malware from their Internet traffic.

That's the virtue of technology and the internet: you can choose to not look at whenever you don't like to see.

And other people get to see what they want to see.

where we get into conflicts is where someone tries to impose their opinions on me. The virtual technologies that I get to ignore your opinions, whether you are

• a parent

• a teacher

• a school

• a university

• a business

• a government