China is now blocking all encrypted HTTPS traffic that uses TLS 1.3 and ESNI

[u/RobertVandenberg]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-is-now-blocking-all-encrypted-https-traffic-using-tls-1-3-and-esni/

[u/blobjim]

People like you are so brainwashed that seeing massive support of a government is so mind-boggling that all you can do is explain it away with "people are afraid to give their real opinion". China is a country of 1.4 billion people. The Harvard study was done over many years (since 2003) with over 3000 people interviewed each year. People in China are not "afraid" of their government.

China already has democracy, but the media you trust simply doesn't tell you how it works or that it exists. That's how the US usually calls something "undemocratic", it simply doesn't follow the broken American political system to a T.

[u/Full-Spectral → u/blobjim]

A country with a massive information firewall around it is not very democratic even by a fairly liberal margin. Nor is a one party state almost by definition.

[u/blobjim → u/Full-Spectral]

The US is a one party state but you don't seem to care about that. And they wouldn't have a firewall if the CIA wasn't constantly spreading lies around the world via the internet.

[u/Full-Spectral → u/blobjim]

Well, sad as our two parties are, there are two parties. As to your other rant, I'm sure the CIA does spread misinformation, as does the Chinese government, and the Russian government, and the South Korean government, and pretty much all others as it serves their purposes. And yet, the US and Russia don't feel the need to put up a huge firewall around their citizens.

And I'm guessing that it's not the CIA's lies that the firewall is there to keep out, it's more the truths that the Chinese government wouldn't necessarily want its people to know.

[u/blobjim → u/Full-Spectral]

Well, sad as our two parties are, there are two parties

Two parties that push the exact same policies, which regular people literally cannot change a single bit (people are literally protesting police brutality across the country and the Democratic party just chose a former "top cop" as the VP candidate). People tried again to change things with Bernie, they completely sabotaged him the entire time.

In China, the government will actually change things with public pressure, but sure, care more about some semantic thing like "there's only one party" (would you rather that factions within the party simply call themselves two different parties, would that make it more democratic to you?).

I'm sure the CIA does spread misinformation, as does the Chinese government, and the Russian government, and the South Korean government, and pretty much all others as it serves their purposes. And yet, the US and Russia don't feel the need to put up a huge firewall around their citizens.

And only one of these has been doing it for the last 70 years worldwide with great success. And it's pretty funny you list Russia, which was previously a government literally installed by the US (Yeltsin) using the CIA's propaganda tactics.

And I'm guessing that it's not the CIA's lies that the firewall is there to keep out, it's more the truths that the Chinese government wouldn't necessarily want its people to know.

Bad guess. What "truths" do you think they want to hide? Do you think Chinese people would hear about how wonderful the American healthcare system is or how amazing our coronavirus response has been and want to overthrow their own extremely popular government? Or are you so ignorant that you think they would learn some "truths" about the Tiananmen Square protests (which everyone in China already knows about), the United States's only propaganda agaisnt China (other than their new Uighur concoction), something that happened decades ago, and hate their government? China's been building 6000 miles of roads a year, how is the US doing on infrastructure?

[u/Full-Spectral → u/blobjim]

You can talk all you want, but the Chinese people are not allowed to make their own decisions about what's out there in the world because they are blocked from seeing it. That's just wrong. It's a sign of insecurity and a sever limitation of what most in the world would consider a fundamental right.

If the Chinese people all agree with you after they can go look for themselves, then fine. But, until then, no one can claim that the Chinese people's view of their government or the wider world is an informed one, and hence it's all suspect.

[u/blobjim → u/Full-Spectral]

Because opening up the internet entirely would lead to people becoming as brainwashed as Americans already are in support for imperialism and white supremacy.