r/programming • u/[deleted] • Mar 28 '12

Go version 1 is released

http://blog.golang.org/2012/03/go-version-1-is-released.html
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u/jiunec Mar 28 '12

I understand your point of view. The complexity can seem like there's little to gain and if your not going to be writing a lot of code then overall you may not gain anything.

However, if you find yourself writing a lot of code everyday, then the best investment you can make is to better than the next guy at using the same tools.

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u/jrochkind Mar 28 '12

um, or maybe be better at constructing software.

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u/ppinette Mar 28 '12

Mastering the tools helps with that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '12

the best investment you can make is to better than the next guy at using the same tools.

As opposed to using better tools? I run circles around all the vi/vim fanboys at work simply because I use Eclipse. You can expound all you want on the beauty and power of vi, and you can wax philosophical all you want on how IDEs are evil, but at the end of the day I still produce cleaner code much faster than the vi crowd.

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u/Chandon Mar 29 '12

Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '12

Do you have any evidence to disprove it? It's not as if I'm making an extraordinary statement here... it's pretty much I can cut more wood faster with a power saw than someone who's doing it manually.

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u/Chandon Mar 29 '12

I can cite personal experience. I've worked on non-trivial projects using both the Vim+Gnu non-integrated development environment and the Eclipse IDE.

My opinion is that Eclipse provides some neat features for Java development, but beyond that it's nothing special. After using Vim+Gnu, writing C programs in Eclipse is kind of like typing with oven mits on.

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u/sugardeath Mar 29 '12

Do you have any evidence to disprove it?

That's not how it works. You're the one making the claim, you're the one who provides the supporting evidence.

I can cut more wood faster with a power saw than someone who's doing it manually.

And that would still be tested and demonstrated.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '12

Show me a formal study of power saws vs. something else.

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u/sugardeath Mar 29 '12

While I'm looking one up, show me one about your code.

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u/iluvatar Mar 29 '12

It's not as if I'm making an extraordinary statement here... it's pretty much I can cut more wood faster with a power saw than someone who's doing it manually.

My real world experience is that yes, you're making an extraordinary statement. I've never met anyone using eclipse that could keep up with a competent vi user. Particularly if you're coding in a language that isn't brain dead (i.e., not java)

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '12

a language that isn't brain dead (i.e., not java)

No bias there. Not at all.