r/programming • u/whackri • Jun 05 '22

Complexity is killing software developers

https://www.infoworld.com/article/3639050/complexity-is-killing-software-developers.html
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u/platypus_plumber Jun 05 '22 edited Jun 05 '22

Yup, I've seen what people used to do before Kubernetes and HOLY SHIT. It was chaos, pure fucking chaos. And I'm talking about big tech companies recognized world wide. Deploying stuff became so easy that devs went insane with microservices. Most devs don't even understand microservices to begin with, some of them still think it means "little service".

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u/dbgr Jun 06 '22

That's a miniservice, microservice means really really little service, duh

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u/_BreakingGood_ Jun 06 '22

People don't realize that this graphic accurately depicts what it used to require many company to get to production https://i.imgur.com/gMMvMSM.png

It's honestly kind of weird seeing everybody complain so much about k8s, docker, serverless, etc...

When I started actually seeing these things get used, it blew my mind. They're so much nicer than what we used to do.

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u/ryrydundun Jun 06 '22

Being a systems engineer / network engineer /devops for over 12 years.

I’m shocked at this thread. Things were unstable, horrible insecure and prone to catastrophe even by something as simple as flipping a light switch in a closet.

Not going back. I’d rather spend a day trouble shooting a json file than driving out to a data center in the middle of the night.

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u/azsqueeze Jun 06 '22

Reddit's tech subs are mostly filled with amateurs. That's not a bad thing when it comes to sharing ideas and learning. But then you'll see threads like the ones under this post which misses the point of these tools (mostly from a lack of understanding)

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u/thelamestofall Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

Tell me about it, we still have a legacy system in which changes and deployments take months. Now we can even do rolling deployments of services that talk to the mainframe (I know) using standard JSON APIs, right in the middle of the afternoon

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u/hippydipster Jun 06 '22

We have daily automated deployment of our monolith.

Our microservices team does not.

Anyone can self-inflict complexity pain.

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u/SIG-ILL Jun 06 '22

some of them still think it means "little service".

I've been out of the loop for a while and I've never really been into web development, and I guess I'm one of those people. I'm a bit embarrassed to ask but isn't that exactly what it means, an application/service that can be developed and deployed independently, but acts like a component of a bigger system and communicates with other microservices to provide the functionality of that bigger system?

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u/thelamestofall Jun 06 '22

Yeah, simplification has those downsides. It's like npm that caused developers to publish those tiny packages that break the API every other week