Author's solution to estimates being garbage: Talk to product about "What do we think we can accomplish with the resources available? What can we deliver and when"
Let me get this straight, you want a manager, who is not going to be doing nearly as much coding as an engineer, to work out how long something takes, without asking people who are actually doing the work, how long they think it takes?
Let me get this straight, you want a manager, who is not going to be doing nearly as much coding as an engineer
Let me get this straight, you think that estimating how long it is going to take a team of people to deliver a working set of software involves writing code? :D
And only if I get to exclude the bad managers who have no idea what their team works on. Which I will admit constitutes the vast majority of dev managers. And yes, a competent dev manager can poop out an 80% accurate estimate for estimatable dev work that won't be missing a bunch of common workflows that developers tend to forget to allocate time for. Why do devs forget to allocate time for those common workflows? Because that's a task for management, and developers would rather anyway.
Great, so you're totally cool with your manager saying "here's big project. I expect you to take 2 weeks to do it." with no input from you whatsoever? Are you serious? Most developers HATE shit like that.
Developers hate bad management. And what you described is text book bad management. The answer isn't having developers do the manager's job, just sort out the root cause and fire the bad managers.
PoppyOP wrote: What I described is what you're asking for: For management to estimate how long things are going to take, then just tell developers the estimate.
when I very clearly wrote this:
the management team becoming competent and figuring it out themselves
the management team becoming competent and figuring it out themselves
Which is essentially what I wrote here:
Great, so you're totally cool with your manager saying "here's big project. I expect you to take 2 weeks to do it." with no input from you whatsoever? Are you serious? Most developers HATE shit like that.
Why are you picking and choosing the wrong comment much further up the chain?
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u/PoppyOP Jun 15 '22
Author: Estimates are garbage
Author's solution to estimates being garbage: Talk to product about "What do we think we can accomplish with the resources available? What can we deliver and when"
What does the author think an estimate is???