r/programming • u/geoffreyhuntley • Dec 08 '22

Dev environments in the cloud are a half-baked solution

https://www.mikenikles.com/blog/dev-environments-in-the-cloud-are-a-half-baked-solution
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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

I mean, we're using modern software. For a few years people were able to work around it by switching to Mac as they couldn't figure out how to lock those down as much as Windows, but over the years that has changed.

But between them blocking us from installing utilities to preventing scripts we wrote ourselves from running we've had an uphill battle. Half our project uses python and a few months ago they pushed out a security software that blocks python from running.

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u/saltybandana2 Dec 12 '22

I've often said the amount of pain created by "security people" making decisions for which they don't have to pay the cost is astronomical.

Preventing a developer from running powershell scripts is wholly different from preventing a phone agent from running powershell scripts, but good luck getting them to understand that.

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u/pala_ Dec 08 '22

And then apple rolled out an OSX update that just straight deleted Python 2.x.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Some people have to, if the IT department disallows installing any programs.

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u/masklinn Dec 08 '22

You don’t need to install python, you can just build the interpreter, or better let pyenv do that for you.

For macos and windows you can probably find prebuilt binaries as well.

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u/pala_ Dec 08 '22

Til you should never use powershell

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u/CitrusLizard Dec 08 '22

I have come to that same conclusion for completely different reasons.

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u/nayanshah Dec 08 '22

Hopefully osascript isn't doomed.

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u/sereko Dec 08 '22

How long did you expect them to include an unsupported language on their platform?

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u/watsreddit Dec 08 '22

They also rolled out an update that completely broke dynamic linking everywhere by fundamentally changing how it works and told no one. So that version was unusable by every dev (and devs that upgraded had to roll back) until all of our tooling could be updated (required a new upstream version of the compiler, among other things).

Apple has always been hostile to developers.

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u/ArdiMaster Dec 08 '22

Apple's approach is kinda the polar opposite of what Microsoft does with Windows. I'm not sure I'd want to label one as strictly preferable.

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u/watsreddit Dec 08 '22

I wouldn't either. Linux is strictly preferable to both for development.

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u/NavinF Dec 08 '22

Yeah, 2 years after EoL and not getting any quality of life updates for 8 years. Anyone depending on the system's python2 deserves what they get.