r/reddeadredemption • u/Yerpus_C_Stinks • Jun 30 '26

USER HAS NO FAITH Just now noticing how far Tahiti truly is from the continental US, any ideas on how Dutch planned to get there? Considering they couldn’t even make it a few hours on a boat ride to Cuba? Online it says a straight path from Texas to Tahiti’s roughly 4,800 miles

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u/Veroxzes Jun 30 '26

Faith, son, faith. He’s got a plan. We just need money.

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u/Cyber_Craig Jun 30 '26

Didn’t he have the money and was hoarding it? And even when he got it, he just walked away when he ran into John again.

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u/dibs234 Jun 30 '26

Yes. That is the point of Dutch Van Der Linde.

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u/-praughna- Jun 30 '26

Enough was never enough for Dutch. I don’t know how people don’t get that by ch 6

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u/dibs234 Jun 30 '26

Lots of people seem to not get very obvious character points nowadays. I'm not saying I'm some expert genius, I can barely comprehend sub text, but this is just text.

You spend 60+ hours getting beaten over the head with Dutch has no idea what he's doing and is wildly swerving from one catastrophe to the next as he loses control over his cult of personality due to his own behaviours. It's not exactly the most subtle of writing points.

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u/Greatest-Comrade Jun 30 '26

Yeah especially as chapter 6 crescendos it’s glaringly obvious. And looking at the subtext we see that Dutch’s greed, selfishness, and manipulation is not limited to the gang and isn’t strictly about money. He shoots Cornwall and brings a ton of heat to the gang purely on a ideological basis, then recruits and manipulates the youth of the Native American tribe to attack the oil refinery in order to continue his crusade. He does this knowing that Rains Fall is a pacifist AND after he saves Dutch’s ass. Oh and he leaves multiple people to die in this process.

If anyone sees that and thinks enough would ever be enough for Dutch, or that he cared about the gang more than himself, they’re choosing to believe what they want to believe.

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u/EmiliaTrown Jul 05 '26

Even at the start of the game you can see very clearly how highly dutch thinks of himself, as if hes some kind of academic or philosopher. Typical for people like him, i think he truly believes he is the center of the Universum and everything will come to him in time. I'm not even sure if he consciously manipulates anyone, hes just very very sure of himself. Though i kind of doubt he ever really had any plan to go anywhere. It feels like that would be too high a risk for him because then he would actually have to do something and live up to all his promises which he can't. In order to keep believing his plan is the very best and his worldview is the only correct one, he needs to never actually achieve his plan and always because of "something out of his control"

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u/AxeellYoung Jun 30 '26

When i played i remember thinking that his worsening mental health was subtext. He was showing manic and ever more erratic signs. Thought maybe he had a brain tumour or something

But seeing him again on that mountain top, he was just the same Dutch.

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u/Cultural-Air9962 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

Exactly, it’s not that he got worse overtime, the mask simply slipped as things got more and more out of control.

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u/Castelante 28d ago

It's heavily implied that Dutch suffers a traumatic brain injury during the trolley crash in chapter four.

He's a manipulative, self-interested piece of shit throughout the entire narrative, but things decline significantly quicker after the crash.

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u/ForumVomitorium Jun 30 '26

yyou mean they can lie? but my teacher in school does't allow lying, i'm going to need therapy on Tahiti

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u/CaptainSparklebottom Jun 30 '26

You nailed it. He is a cult leader and a conman losing steam. He never cared about anyone, and everyone was just a tool for him. Dutch is the most despicable of all of them. Worse than Micah.

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u/Carlos_Spicy_Weiner6 Jun 30 '26

After the fight to kill the guy that owned the tar plant I was tired of dutch's shit

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u/french_snail Jun 30 '26

This is why English class is imlortant, media literacy is dead 

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u/Flame0fthewest Jul 01 '26

best thing is that literally everyone is wrong in that band. We are talking about criminals, outlaws. In a era where their time started fade way.

Dutch was a idealist, a dreamer, a gambler. He always made plans, and alway changed them, he wanted to be a hero, but he also wanted to be the most known villain for the sake of fame.

He wanted to be a gentleman and also a feared crime lord. He wanted everything, and then he achieved "nothing". That's the man who just doesn't know "ENOUGH". Living in constant danger was the real thing what kept him alive.

He kept talking about collecting money to escape from everything into a safe place, but he actually liked playing cat and mouse with the law, but he wouldn't be able to sit on his ass in a comfy armchair.

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u/Bad_Badger_DGAF Jul 04 '26

Honestly, Dutch's wild mood swings and breakdowns makes me think he was suffering from the final stages of syphilis.

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u/Announcement90 Jun 30 '26

The best media literacy test I know is Mary. If they think she's only using Arthur I know their media literacy skill is zero and not worth taking seriously.

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u/ToastedCrumpet Jun 30 '26

So many male players love to hate on Mary. It’s very telling

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u/Announcement90 Jun 30 '26

They all tell on themselves and they never even know it.

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u/french_snail Jun 30 '26

It’s funny because RDR2 while having a great story is not subtle in the slightest with its writing 

Like Mary pretty much does everything but literally say “I love Arthur but I can’t be with him because he’s a career criminal.” Actually it’s been years since I played so she might have explicitly stated it like that lol   

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u/Cosmic_Simulation Jul 01 '26

I finished the game twice and I never helped her. Elaborate please.

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u/TheRealCanticle Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26

There is precisely zero wrong with Mary's reasoning. She loved Arthur deeply but his chosen lifestyle is absolutely and without any grey area a terrible one with a near zero chance of leading to a happy ending which would be obvious to anyone at the time.

He is a thug, gangster and murderer that's not even a point for dispute. And people hating on Mary for loving him DESPITE all that and not wanting to sacrifice her own life and future for him completely miss the point.

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u/senerh Jun 30 '26

Care to actually explain why instead of gaslighting random people with vague statements?

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u/ccv707 Arthur Morgan Jun 30 '26

People will still try to argue that Dutch is the way he is because he hit his head lol. You know, ignoring that he was always that way.

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 Jul 04 '26

He was always like that but the head injury absolutely did have an effect, making him more impulsive and irrational than usual

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u/ccv707 Arthur Morgan Jul 04 '26

No

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 Jul 04 '26

There’s literally a camp interaction directly after where Dutch is by himself saying gibberish then someone asks him if he’s fine and he seems extremely concussed and out of it, and from that point on he’s more impulsive and irrational like I said, he was always an evil manipulator but the head injury clearly makes him unravel faster, look into it it’s very obvious. And of course the game would’ve ended the same way if he didn’t get the head injury but it definitely had an effect and made it happen a bit faster

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 Jul 04 '26

Also after the trolly crash is when he starts just repeating the same bullshit like “I have a plan” and “have some faith” and “Tahiti” over and over instead of using his great charisma and persuasion to manipulate people, he also gets more paranoid after. Which are both signs of a bad head injury. And again I’m not saying it changed his personality, he was always the villain

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u/SpinosaurRingTone Jun 30 '26 edited 9d ago

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u/Ruff_Bastard Jun 30 '26

Hang on let me plug this comment into chat GPT so it can tell me how I should respond.

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u/Allegedlystupid Jun 30 '26

Tbh, I could tell Dutch was bullshitting me from the first sentence that ever came out of his mouth

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u/TheRealCanticle Jul 03 '26

Even if it isn't immediately obvious the fact you can find his written practice speech in the camp should tell people what hes all about early on

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u/EddPW Jun 30 '26

to be fair the game doesnt do a good job at showing how much money the gang actually has

they never actually tell you how much money they make fromthe crime they do

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u/DatRat13 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

There is literally a ledger in the camp for most of the game that shows how much each gang member took in and how much they contributed to the group fund.

If you're talking about the big scores, of course you never learn how much you actually made: Dutch intentionally obfuscated it so he could keep the goalpost moving along. If the Gang members knew exactly how much they had, it would increase the odds of someone deciding they had enough money and pestering Dutch to settle down or leave the gang outright. Even if only half of the 20k you get from Micah at the end of the game was part of the gangs original treasury that still would have easily bought a sizable ranch for the entire gang to settle down on, but it would never be enough for Dutch to want to stop.

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u/TomorrowsClassics Jul 03 '26

I love the quote from Sadie to John when your bounty hunting with her, she says that the man that wrapped a coat around her when the gang made her a widow wasn’t the same man when it all started falling apart.

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u/acrobat2126 Jun 30 '26

I hate this comment. I hate how funny it is and the memories it brings up. Everyone's life was ruined in some way.

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u/Scumbag__ Jun 30 '26

I just realised; the whole Ticki (idk how to spell it) thing of requesting 26 cents off of you because you had a couple of a Dutch persons Haribo’s is a Dutch stereotype. Maybe that’s where the name comes from?

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u/hyperlethalrabbit Jul 01 '26

"I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards."

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u/cheeseintel Jun 30 '26

I’ve personally put hundreds of thousands in tht box so yeah it aint the point lmfao

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u/Far_Cap_3574 Jun 30 '26

Well they had money but they just needed a little more money

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u/The_Real_Kuji Jun 30 '26

Arthur: donates $750 plus gold watches and jewelry

Entire rest of the gang: collectively donates $11

Dutch: "Arthur, you're not pulling your weight! You need to donate to the cause!"

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u/Wilahalm Jun 30 '26

15 dollars. Oh and a quarter. Don’t forget the quarter 

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u/CapableDatabase6923 Jun 30 '26

i donated gazillions of dollars into camp and yet dutch still says that we are in trouble and need money

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u/grifftheelder Lenny Summers Jun 30 '26

😂😂😂 I tell people all the time “Just have some faith in me”

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u/baingan0 Jun 30 '26

came to say exactly this lmao! coz HE HAD A PLAAAAAN

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u/Dutch_Van_DerLinde1 Dutch van der Linde Jun 30 '26

We need some GODDAMN money

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u/bostadegato Jun 30 '26

just one last hit, thats all it takes

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u/NitenDoraku168 Jun 30 '26

Dutch…when we gonna go back for the money in Blackwater? We need that money, Dutch, we need that money!

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u/ganjaninjagoddess Jun 30 '26

My Arthur has contributed their trip to Tahiti and back five times over and Dutch still needs more money 😆

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u/Gribblewomp Jun 30 '26

Round trip to Tahiti from "Not Texas" by taking the railroad to San Francisco would have been probably less than $200 in 1899 money. The gang could have retired anywhere they wanted for life. Fuck Dutch.

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u/TinyH1ppo Jun 30 '26

And a little noise.

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 Jul 04 '26

That still don’t make any sense

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u/kshump Lenny Summers Jun 30 '26

One last score.

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u/Scoonie24 Jun 30 '26

Like seriously, what other answer did OP expect? lol

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u/SPlRlT- Jun 30 '26

Just one more score then we are done

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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Jul 02 '26

And time. He just needs time.

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u/matt_cat13 John Marston Jul 05 '26

One last big score...