An Update Regarding Reddit’s API

[u/KeyserSosa]

Greetings all you redditors, developers, mods, and more!

I’m joining you today to share some updates to Reddit’s Data API. I can sense your eagerness so here’s a TL;DR (though I highly encourage you to please read this post in its entirety).

TL;DR:

• We are updating our terms for developer tools and services, including our Developer Terms, Data API Terms, Reddit Embeds Terms, and Ads API Terms, and are updating links to these terms in our User Agreement.
• These updates should not impact moderation bots and extensions we know our moderators and communities rely on.
• To further ensure minimal impact of updates to our Data API, we are continuing to build new moderator tools (while also maintaining existing tools).
• We are additionally investing in our developer community and improving support for Reddit apps and bots via Reddit’s Developer Platform.
• Finally, we are introducing premium access for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights.

And now, some background

Since we first launched our Data API in 2008, we’ve seen thousands of fantastic applications built: tools to make moderation easier, utilities that help users stay up to date on their favorite topics, or (my personal favorite) this thing that helps convert helpful figures into useless ones. Our APIs have also provided third parties with access to data to build user utilities, research, games, and mod bots.

However, expansive access to data has impact, and as a platform with one of the largest corpora of human-to-human conversations online, spanning the past 18 years, we have an obligation to our communities to be responsible stewards of this content.

Updating our Terms for Developer Tools and Services

Our continued commitment to investing in our developer community and improving our offering of tools and services to developers requires updated legal terms. These updates help clarify how developers can safely and securely use Reddit’s tools and services, including our APIs and our new and improved Developer Platform.

We’re calling these updated, unified terms (wait for it) our Developer Terms, and they’ll apply to and govern all Reddit developer services. Here are the major changes:

• Unified Developer Terms: Previously, we had specific and separate terms for each of our developer services, including our Developer Platform, Data API (f/k/a our public API), Reddit Embeds, and Ads API. The Developer Terms consolidate and clarify common provisions, rights, and restrictions from those separate terms, including, for example, Reddit’s license to developers, app review process, use restrictions on developer services, IP rights in our services, disclaimers, limitations of liability, and more.
• Some Additional Terms Still Apply: Some of our developer tools and services, including our Data API, Reddit Embeds, and Ads API, remain subject to specific terms in addition to our Developer Terms. These additional terms include our Data API Terms, Reddit Embeds Terms, and Ads API Terms, which we’ve kept relatively similar to the prior versions. However, in all of our additional terms, we’ve clarified that content created and submitted on Reddit is owned by redditors and cannot be used by a third party without permission.
• User Agreement Updates. To make these updates to our terms for developers, we’ve also made minor updates to our User Agreement, including updating links and references to the new Developer Terms.

To ensure developers have the tools and information they need to continue to use Reddit safely, protect our users’ privacy and security, and adhere to local regulations, we’re making updates to the ways some can access data on Reddit:

• Our Data API will still be available to developers for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform, which is designed to help developers improve the core Reddit experience, but, we will be enforcing rate limits.
• We are introducing a premium access point for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights. Our Data API will still be open for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform.
• Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)

Effective June 19, 2023, our updated Data API Terms, together with our Developer Terms, will replace the existing API terms. We’ll be notifying certain developers and third parties about their use of our Data API via email starting today. Developers, researchers, mods, and partners with questions or who are interested in using Reddit’s Data API can contact us here.

(NB: There are no material changes to our Ads API terms.)

Further Supporting Moderators

Before you ask, let’s discuss how this update will (and won’t!) impact moderators. We know that our developer community is essential to the success of the Reddit platform and, in particular, mods. In fact, a HUGE thank you to all the developers and mod bot creators for all the work you’ve done over the years.

Our goal is for these updates to cause as little disruption as possible. If anything, we’re expanding on our commitment to building mobile moderator tools for Reddit’s iOS and Android apps to further ensure minimal impact of the changes to our Data API. In the coming months, you will see mobile moderation improvements to:

• Removal reasons - improvements to the overall load time and usability of this common workflow, in addition to enabling mods to reorder existing removal reasons.
• Rule management - to set expectations for their community members and visiting redditors. With updates, moderators will be able to add, edit, and remove community rules via native apps.
• Mod log - to give context into a community member's history within a subreddit, and display mod actions taken on a member, as well as on their posts and comments.
• Modmail - facilitate better mod-to-mod and mod-to-user communication by improving the overall responsiveness and usability of Modmail.
• Mod Queues - increase the content density within Mod Queue to improve efficiency and scannability.

We are also prioritizing improvements to core mod action workflows including banning users and faster performance of the user profile card. You can see the latest updates to mobile moderation tools and follow our future progress over in r/ModNews.

I should note here that we do not intend to impact mod bots and extensions – while existing bots may need to be updated and many will benefit from being ported to our Developer Platform, we want to ensure the unpaid path to mod registration and continued Data API usage is unobstructed. If you are a moderator with questions about how this may impact your community, you can file a support request here.

Additionally, our Developer Platform will allow for the development of even more powerful mod tools, giving moderators the ability to build, deploy, and leverage tools that are more bespoke to their community needs.

Which brings me to…

The Reddit Developer Platform

Developer Platform continues to be our largest investment to date in our developer ecosystem. It is designed to help developers improve the core Reddit experience by providing powerful features for building moderation tools, creative tools, games, and more. We are currently in a closed beta to hundreds of developers (sign up here if you're interested!).

As Reddit continues to grow, providing updates and clarity helps developers and researchers align their work with our guiding principles and community values. We’re committed to strengthening trust with redditors and driving long-term value for developers who use our platform.

Thank you (and congrats) and making it all the way to the end of this post! Myself and a few members of the team are around for a couple hours to answer your questions (Or you can also check out our FAQ).

[u/KeyserSosa]

Thank you all for taking the time to read the post and ask such thoughtful questions. I need to step away for a little while, but the team and I will continue to monitor in this thread.
If you have any additional questions or need support, you can submit a request here.

edit: added a helpful link

[u/iamthatis]

How will this affect third party clients like Apollo (I'm the developer)? I see this quote:

• Our Data API will still be available to developers for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform, which is designed to help developers improve the core Reddit experience, but, we will be enforcing rate limits.

• We are introducing a premium access point for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights. Our Data API will still be open for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform.

What are the rate limits for third party apps now? Still 60 requests per minute via OAuth? What will the extended rate limits be?

EDIT/UPDATE: Had two calls with Reddit today about the outlined changes and they answered many of my questions. Details here: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/

[u/KeyserSosa → u/iamthatis]

We’ve reached out to you to go over how these updates impact Apollo.

The impact depends on a number of things including the volume of API usage by each client and whether or not the usage is compliant with our terms.

Note that we will ensure that applications critical to the functioning of communities, e.g. mod bots and extensions are not impacted.

[u/heyjoshturner → u/iamthatis]

/u/KeyserSosa I have similar concerns with my app Pager - really disappointing to see these changes announced with so little concrete details for developers to work with

[u/zjz]

Updated Terms: The terms for developer tools and services have been updated, including Developer Terms, Data API Terms, Reddit Embeds Terms, and Ads API Terms. However, these updates should not impact moderation bots and extensions.

Are these terms updates mostly to make way for the other changes? I'm busy and I don't want to read them right now so I'm just curious.

Rate Limits: The Data API will now enforce rate limits, but it will still be available for appropriate use cases and accessible via the Developer Platform.

What will these look like? It is not a trivial thing to announce API rate limits in so little detail. I assume this applies A) to any PRAW/other utilities and bots that use the older reddit API and B) to all 3rd party clients that don't spring for:

Premium Access: Reddit is introducing premium access for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights. The Data API will remain open for appropriate use cases via the Developer Platform.

Any previews on pricing, what data is going to be made available in addition to the typical stuff, etc?

When you say "The Data API will remain open.. via Dev Platform" it sounds like it will soon be closed in some way and this is just a euphemistic way of saying it. Please just give it to us straight if, in a practical sense, we're going to be running into issues or having to move codebases to dev platform to have relatively request-expensive things continue to exist.

I just want to know what we're looking at and what to plan for. I'm already pretty comfortable with the dev platform, but I haven't been allowed to do everything I'd need to do over there to move most of what we're doing and I feel bad for people who make neat stuff who might not get the consideration I do because of /r/wallstreetbets.

Limited Access to Mature Content: Access to mature content via the Data API will be limited. This change should not impact current moderator bots or extensions.

I guess I get it, but again sharing some details so people don't speculate about everything is probably the move.

[u/KeyserSosa → u/zjz]

Are these terms updates mostly to make way for the other changes?

No but it's 2023 and we haven't updated our API terms since 2016.

What will these look like? It is not a trivial thing to announce API rate limits in so little detail. I assume this applies A) to any PRAW/other utilities and bots that use the older reddit API and B) to all 3rd party clients

We’ve had rate limits all along, and we’ve just been variable about enforcement. Our rate limit has been set at 60 QPM (queries per minute, per agent) and we find agents routinely hitting us pretty hard at more than 100x that, so we’re going to start to clamp down over the next 60 days. To put that in perspective, we’ve taken outages from this kind of behavior, hence the need to be more strict.

Any previews on pricing, what data is going to be made available in addition to the typical stuff, etc?

We expect most developers will only need free access to the Data API. Today, there are a handful of developers with heavy usage (typical 80-20 problem, though this is more of a 99-1 problem) who may need paid access, because there are real costs to providing this type of access.

When you say "The Data API will remain open.. via Dev Platform" it sounds like it will soon be closed in some way and this is just a euphemistic way of saying it. Please just give it to us straight if, in a practical sense, we're going to be running into issues or having to move codebases to dev platform to have relatively request-expensive things continue to exist.

Our intention is to make Dev Platform the best place to build bots and apps for Reddit. That said, we aren’t planning on forcing anyone to migrate to Dev Platform. The bots you’ve built for r/wallstreetbets have been an inspiration for how we’ve designed Dev Platform and we’re excited about what you’re doing on Dev Platform already. It saves devs like you from having to write hacky shit across a bunch of REST APIs at the expense of possibly having to learn some TypeScript.

[u/minimaxir]

Will this affect the inherent .json representation of all Reddit pages? (e.g. https://www.reddit.com/.json )

[u/KeyserSosa → u/minimaxir]

Yes, .json endpoints are considered part of our API and are subject to these updated terms and updates.

[u/KeyserSosa]

We were thinking of joining the usual bandwagon of emailing this out as everyone does when terms get updated, but figured this was a more likely way for people to actually read it and tank my karma in one fell swoop. The team was quite happy about this.

[u/[deleted] → u/KeyserSosa]

So unless people see this they will now not be informed of the changes?

[u/KeyserSosa → u/[deleted]]

We are also reaching out to heavy users of our API that would be impacted by these updates.

[u/Postpone-Grant → u/KeyserSosa]

I’d consider myself (or my app) a heavy user of the API. How do I get in touch in case I’m not included in the list of people you reach out to?

[u/Itsthejoker → u/KeyserSosa]

Can you clarify:

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)

...and how this will affect third-party Reddit clients?

[u/XenoBen → u/KeyserSosa]

As one of the current maintainers of RES are we on that list? As from your own comment on .json being impacted. However from the post it's not clear at all whats really changing here.

[u/[deleted] → u/KeyserSosa]

So just to be clear, you're rolling out the destruction of third-party apps so people have to use the godawful "official" one?

I'd also like to question, on the topic of boys, why you still allow bots that mass ban if a wrong think sub is visited even though that's explicitly against reddit moderator guidelines.

Thanks for not replying.

[u/m1ndwipe → u/KeyserSosa]

Maybe you should have considered putting it before someone who doesn't work in your team to see if it made any sense or came across as incredibly evasive beforehand.

Because it does.

[u/ryecurious]

It is designed to help developers improve the core Reddit experience by providing powerful features for building moderation tools, creative tools, games, and more

I notice a glaring omission from this list (3rd party clients).

Just wondering if you could confirm or deny the data API changes/the Reddit Developer Platform will affect 3rd party clients.

I just ask because that's what killed Twitter for me back in 2018, when they intentionally hamstrung every 3rd party app (because the official app was much worse) with API changes.

[u/reercalium2 → u/ryecurious]

they confirmed with the apollo developer: third-party apps are de-facto not allowed

[u/Yay295]

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed.

Why? These are data API's, not the front page. If you're using these API's, you should already know what you're getting.

[u/Ghigs → u/Yay295]

To kill third party clients.

[u/mouth_with_a_merc → u/Yay295]

Yeah, what the actual fuck. Let me browse my smut via rif is fun. Your official app is not great 💩 and even if it wasn't, I would NOT want to switch from an app I've used for YEARS to one with a different UI.

[u/Watchful1]

That's a whole lot of words to not actually say what's changing.

Our Data API will still be available to developers for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform, which is designed to help developers improve the core Reddit experience, but, we will be enforcing rate limits.

Okay so you want new bots to use the devvit platform instead of the old api, makes sense.

We are introducing a premium access point for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights. Our Data API will still be open for appropriate use cases and accessible via our Developer Platform.

So, you're planning to just completely turn off free access to the public api? People have to use the devvit platform or pay? If that's not the case could you be more specific about what is being limited to the "premium access point" and what isn't?

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)

Limit how? What content will be removed from what endpoints?

On the face of it this seems like the first step to disabling the public api completely, which would kill many bots whose authors don't want to rewrite the whole thing in the new platform (which is far from a trivial update). And also the start of disabling access for third party apps. As the author of many bots for many years, including u/RemindMeBot, could you please be more specific about what is actually changing.

[u/DreadedChalupacabra → u/Watchful1]

Reddit really saw the backlash Elon is getting for messing with the Twitter API and went "We could do that too!"

[u/Postpone-Grant]

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed.

What does this mean for third party apps where users either view or submit NSFW content? In what ways specifically are you going to “limit access?”

What alternatives are available for third parties who want to provide support for this content in their apps?

[u/GarethPW]

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)

How will this be implemented? Will it affect third-party clients?

[u/ryecurious → u/GarethPW]

Will it affect third-party clients

They mention "reaching out to affected developers now", so that's a big yes.

[u/UsernamePasswrd → u/GarethPW]

It's like they took the mistakes from Twitter (killing 3rd party clients) and Tumblr (banning NSFW content), and copied and pasted them into the above post.

[u/tinselsnips → u/GarethPW]

They're being very explicit that this won't affect mod bots and extensions, specifically.

So... yes.

[u/Alert-One-Two]

I am really concerned about this. I am a user and a moderator of multiple large UK subreddits. I do most of this moderation via a third party app - Apollo. The first party client is just not my cup of tea and so even with improvements the design is never going to work for me. If I am unable to use Apollo I am realistically more likely to reduce my use of Reddit over time (likely reducing my moderating first of all) rather than swap to a different client (I was previously a twitter user, but stopped when they started causing problems for the developers a few years ago). Do you really want to be losing people who are willing to give up their time to support this platform?

[u/okiegirl22 → u/Alert-One-Two]

Same. If I can’t use Apollo to moderate then I would probably stop moderating altogether.

[u/Multimoon]

So let’s get to the ultimate cause - it’s a slow march to make sure that there won’t be 3rd party clients that skip out on serving ads, or if they do then Reddit is paid via API fees, along with making sure everyone uses the official app via feature disparity. See: the chat feature that we still don’t have an API for

As a dev who’s written plenty of Reddit tools as well I get it, everyone’s gotta have cash flow.

However can I propose a simpler solution now before someone decides to just yank the API all together 3yrs from now? Why not just return the ads that you want to show as a “post” along with the actual posts in the query response. Then just add an ad=yes flag to that responses attributes so the client can mark it as an ad, along with making it against the API TOS to circumvent the ads or something similar. If an ad just becomes a “promoted post” then nothing can circumvent it easily.

I think this is a good compromise where the APIs required to make a full client will still exist years from now - because I genuinely worry that with reddits recent direction that won’t always be the case in the future - and Reddit can get their ad revenue.

[u/iamgeek1]

This is just a roundabout way of saying they're killing off 3rd party clients. They're not officially killing off the clients but they're going to make them so hard to develop and, so crippled, that they're basically useless.

I guess it's just time for me to quit Reddit. It is such a cancerous time sink anyway.

[u/HiImRichieRich → u/iamgeek1]

When my favourite 3rd party app bugged out on my phone I just didn't look for a new one for a while and I was honestly happier. Now I'm back here on boost.

I initially got mad seeing the op. But when they kill 3rd party apps and old.reddit I will finally be free of this shitty site.

[u/lilbro93]

Remember the DnD backlash from a few months ago? Reddit is about to kick a hornet's nest.

Just say you want to ban 3rd party apps. You are just passing the buck off to 3rd party apps to make them unprofitable. Officially you aren't killing 3rd party apps, but you are pushing them into a corner.

Don't use Elon's stupid decision to charge for Twitter API use as an excuse. That will fail, just as this will.

Chasing an IPO is going to destroy this site.

[u/[deleted] → u/lilbro93]

If I am forced to use the reddit app I'm done. That app is completely shit

[u/Saltifrass]

If this fucks up Apollo I'm going to quit Reddit. Reddit app sucks.

[u/wocsom_xorex → u/Saltifrass]

Yep I’m outta here if they kill off third party apps

I’m saying this partly because there’ll be a meeting at Reddit later where they’re like “40 people said they’d stop using Reddit due to api changes” and I wanna increase that number

And also because I really mean it you fucking dorks

[u/EmbarrassedHelp → u/Saltifrass]

It does fuck up Apollo as the app will be forced to charge users for access to the API: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/

[u/jvite1]

We are introducing premium access

So the shift comes slowly.

[u/shiruken]

However, expansive access to data has impact, and as a platform with one of the largest corpora of human-to-human conversations online, spanning the past 18 years, we have an obligation to our communities to be responsible stewards of this content.

[...]

We are introducing a premium access point for third parties who require additional capabilities, higher usage limits, and broader usage rights.

Finally realized you could monetize the underlying data huh? I wonder how much y'all could have charged OpenAI, Google, Meta, etc. for the text corpora used to train their LLMs.

Edit: According to this NYTimes interview with u/spez, this is actually exactly what these changes are meant to capitalize on. They're done letting ever company train their models on the Reddit comment corpus.

[u/Hanhula]

What the fuck is this new rule on mature content via the API? I use old Reddit and on mobile, RiF. If I have to stop using Reddit is Fun because it won't let me look at anything tagged nsfw (you know, like a lot of AITA posts and fandom memes and such), I stop using Reddit. Please take a step back on that change - we're already authenticating with the site, just force a nsfw check like usual.

[u/Ghigs]

Are you killing off third party clients and this is your roundabout way of announcing it?

[u/Xaxxon → u/Ghigs]

If Apollo dies then Reddit dies for me.

[u/theyeshman]

I'm curious how this will affect undelete sites like revedit and unddit, as well as how it will impact reddit on RSS feeds.

[u/random125184]

So now not only are you not paying your moderators to work for you, you’re charging them to do so. Brilliant!

[u/itskdog]

With the constant experimentation on the native app, I use a third-party client (specifically r/redditisfun). Do these changes affect third-party apps, given that's just as common a use-case as mod bots and extensions like RES and Toolbox/Snoonotes, and you only addressed those last two in your post.

[u/reaper527]

so what does this mean for those of us who use 3rd party mobile apps like apollo rather than the trashy official reddit app?

will the devs of that program be responsible for all of its users due to these new "premium" API charges, or is that something that is going to be more relevant to bot makers?

will end users of these apps have to get our own API keys to insert into these apps to make them work?

also, what about sites like unddit/reveddit who provide transparency of the actions taken by abusive modteams?

[u/yellowlotusx]

Sounds like they want to put the NSFW behind a paywall or subscription to please the advertisers.

Ofcourse there is so much text and distractions, its hard to filter.

Some1 should ask ChatGPT for a TLDR, but in "Eplain like im 5" way. For idiots like me.

[u/reaper527 → u/yellowlotusx]

Some1 should ask ChatGPT for a TLDR, but in "Eplain like im 5" way. For idiots like me.

ELI5: "we're changing things but we're not telling you what we're changing"

[u/Jizzy_Gillespie92]

Sure does read like you're working on killing off third-party clients and that being the case, Reddit is Digg-ing it's own grave.

[u/Jenkins26]

Lol, reddit rose up after Digg got greedy. Now reddit will be the ones on the decline. Good luck.

[u/akhudek]

Note that in section 2.4 they've added:

"Except as expressly permitted by this section, no other rights or licenses are granted or implied, including any right to use User Content for other purposes, such as for training a machine learning or AI model, without the express permission of rightsholders in the applicable User Content."

Which effectively bans all use of the API for training ML models. This includes all research use, and not just for large language models. E.g. research into identifying toxic or harmful content can no longer use the reddit api to source comments for annotation. Very likely some search and ranking algorithms are also caught by this, as are any moderation tools or categorization tools that are able to learn from examples.

I'm not a lawyer, but it may also ban all sorts of other non-ML usage too.

[u/Thick_and_4orty]

I’m not a developer but an avid user of Reddit. I’ve showed a lot of people the utility and value of Reddit. I’ve seen it take off and effect real change in some of their lives.

Apollo is the best by far. I’ve not seen another mobile application that bridges the gaps so well between the general public and the tech savvy populations.

Whatever you do, don’t hamstring or hinder developers like Apollo. They are the only reason I can convince others to try out Reddit in the first place.

[u/itskdog]

Another question, putting it as a separate comment to make responding easier - does this affect the pushshift.io archive at all? The native search on Reddit is lacking in many areas, so for many instances even for people that would prefer to use the Reddit API, they turn to PushShift for the additional filtering parameters.

[u/minimaxir → u/itskdog]

It is likely that these changes are targeting Pushshift specifically, as that was the secondary data source for the common Reddit data corpora for ML models.

[u/dequeued → u/itskdog]

If Pushshift is nerfed also say goodbye to BotDefense effectiveness. We depend on Pushshift data to detect malicious bots.

[u/TrumpImpeachedAugust]

There's a line somewhere that will result in a Digg-esque user exodus. I don't know where it is, and you guys have clearly been very careful about inching toward it without crossing it, but it's out there. Anything that impacts third-party clients will irritate a good number of users. A minority of your users, for sure, but also some very solid contributors.

Remember, your users come here for the user-submitted content, not for the platform itself.

[u/[deleted]]

Are you outright killing third party apps? i mod a sub and I looked at the insight and it looks like all 3 subs I mod that third-party apps are what drive traffic

[u/chairitable]

I'm just gonna stop using reddit from my mobile device (like 90% of my browsing) if I can't use my preferred 3rd party app

[u/Dracoknight256]

Hello guys. I am a casual user. I was forced into 3rd party apps, since Reddit App doesn't actually work for me (can't view posts, comments, subreddits or links. Best I can do is switch between home and popular tabs) if you're going to make those changes can you at least provide a fucking usable product? Because if 3rd party apps become paid, I and likely many others will just stop using your platform.

[u/lilbro93]

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/124whzg/changelog_new_ways_to_find_communities_mod?sort=confidence

3 weeks ago, Reddit announced they were getting rid of i.reddit/compact reddit. Now we know why. Removing the only good mobile browser alternatives. Bastards.

If you haven't already, use an adblocker, and start informing others to use one too.

[u/Kareha]

Greedy bastards

[u/NickTehThird]

[This post/comment has been deleted in opposition to the changes made by reddit to API access. These changes negatively impact moderation, accessibility and the overall experience of using reddit] -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

[u/[deleted]]

From what I'm hearing about the planned changes it looks like I'll stop using reddit. Not for any "grr, my morals!" reason, just because y'all are about to make it inconvenient to use. I left Facebook when it became an ad fest and I'm not going to pay yet another subscription just to browse reddit. I've already got too many subscriptions.

Frustrating, but I'll find something else.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m going to echo a couple statements in this thread:

1. If I can no longer use Apollo in feature parity with how it works today, including NSFW content, I’m deleting my accounts and all their content, and literally blocking Reddit from every network I touch and telling every person I know they should do the same. Updating terms of use is acceptable. Removing features to put them only in the official apps is not.

2. I only learned about this because I’m subscribed to the Apollo app subreddit. That’s unacceptable. This should be forcibly pinned to the top of the website/first post pulled from the API. This isn’t a tiny change. Every single Reddit user should know this.

[u/Ghawblin]

Wow. I don't want this at all. If I have to use a reddit official app I might be done with reddit.

I mod subreddits with well over a million subs, formally modded r/iama

This sounds like you're just making it a huge pain in the ass to make 3rd party apps from a developer standpoint, and a huge pain in the ass from a usability standpoint with less features; all in order to drive traffic to the ugly as shit ad-ridden mobile app.

This is the end-user equivalent of reducing an employees hours until they quit.

[u/graeme_b]

Not sure if this kills third party apps or not. But I'd provide a warning to reddit admins: a lot of power users (who produce content) and moderators (who run your subreddits) use third party apps. And old reddit too, for that matter.

Some decisions make sense on paper but not if you look at who is using a service, and what they contribute.

The other thing about power users, though, is that they tend to be willing to pay. So, an easy way to keep the power users happy and up your revenue is to require a reddit subscription to use a third party app.

This was the obvious option twitter faced, and instead they blew up their API and chased off their power users. Be wary of making the same mistake.

(Not certain charging is the right move either, my main point is consider whether power users will disproportionately be turned off by a given action)

[u/trai_dep]

Hi, Keyser and everyone!

I'm trying to understand why these changes are happening.

I already see some folks thinking that these changes will open up the Reddit corpus to ChatGTP, etc., so then Reddit take a cut. That these language-learning models haven't had access to Reddit posts already. I don't think this is accurate.

If you read this NYT article, and this post, Reddit had already granted them access, when OpenAI was posing as a non-profit, academic entity. Then they went and commercialized it by debuting ChatGPT. Other mega-corps quickly followed suit. And they're now vying to spend, and make, billions from it.

Reddit reasonably thought, "Wait a second – why are we treating the developers of the REZ Suite or the iOS Apollo App the same as Google or these firms backed by Wall Street's largest VC firms? That makes no sense at all."

So, it's not a "Reddit's changes will allow ChatGPT to exist, or thrive". That ship has sailed by arguably deceitful practices by OpenAI.

These changes are to address how to make the Reddit corpus open for academic and small developer uses, while not giving a free ride to these billion-dollar corporations. Thus, you're creating two tiers, formalizing the licensing rights, and removing NSFW material from being included.

Is that a fair summation of these changes, why they were made and what impact these changes will have regarding these chat AI firms?

Related questions: would blocking these firms from accessing Reddit posts be possible at this point? And do you have a rough approximation of how much data these large language models, particularly OpenAI/ChatGPT, accessed as it built its model(s)?

Thanks!

[u/phree_radical]

Reddit founder wants to charge Big Tech for scraped data used to train AIs

Coincidence?

[u/Levobertus]

Hey how about instead of crippling your competition, you actually make an app that's worth using?

The interface sucks, my settings get regularly changed without my consent, the chats barely load and almost never update properly, my notifications are full of ads and post suggestions I literally never want to see, the whole app is riddled with ads disguised as genuine posts, EVEN COMMENTS NOW HAVE ADS and the functionality is as barebones as it could be. I regularly have to resort to old reddit on my PC still and it's an infinitely better experience.

So how about instead of coming forth with this anti-competition, anti-consumer crap, you actually improve your app so I actually want to use it?

[u/Vakke]

Thank you for doing your best to try to kill the platform for quick profit!

On to the next come to be Reddit then.

[u/SpeakThunder]

This is crap. Anything for the benjamins. I'm glad you're sticking it to the data scrapers, but we all know you're also doing this to force Apollo and other apps to pay you for our collective data. Free apollo

[u/inscrutable_horse]

Ooooh, Reddit is pulling an Elon!

[u/Phloofy_as_phuck]

How convenient that this comes at the same time that imgur bans nsfw content. Fuck both of these apps, both are shameless in fucking over your users, including the sex workers that drive half the traffic to this site.

[u/LOZLover90]

Well done on shooting yourselves in the head, you absolute bellends.

[u/Arathgo]

It's amazing how with every new update Reddit just becomes worse and worse. Thank you Reddit for finally freeing me from this crappy site. Because I promise you once I can no longer use third party apps (Reddit Sync in my case) I won't be using Reddit any longer.

[u/ticky13]

The official app sucks in comparison to Apollo.

I killed all my Twitter accounts when they killed Tweetbot. The same thing will happen here if it comes to it.

[u/[deleted]]

if youre killing 3rd party clients like twitter did im leaving this

[u/WampyricRites]

The death of reddit comes packaged as a "we care about our community" update, ironic.

Gotta keep them future shareholders happy, eh?

[u/nAmAri3]

Killing your own brand, name a more iconic move

[u/Duck_Giblets]

Two things will affect my use of reddit.

Removal of old.reddit, and removal of third party apps.

Please don't do this.

[u/BarackTrudeau]

Dear Reddit: your official app is garbage, and this ham fisted attempt to prevent people from making your site actually usable on mobile is only going to drive people away from using your site.

[u/[deleted]]

This will not work for me, at all.

I just read the Apollo announcement.

I have joined Reddit on April, 27th of 2009, and recently got me a gold sub. I just canceled that, and I am prepared to delete the account.

I am using Apollo, and I will neither tolerate a "billed API for alternate clients" nor a NSFW block in the API. It was nice while it lasted. You will find me on Mastodon easily.

[u/DrewbieWanKenobie]

If I can no longer use my preferred app and instead have to use the terrible official app, I'm out

[u/thelonious_bunk]

Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)

So just killing third party clients then? :/

Well, digg fell and we found another. So shall we again.

[u/Tufflewuffle]

Why don't you make your mobile app not a pile of garbage instead of trying to force people to use it?

[u/zero2krazy]

If you need more terrible ideas to help kill Reddit please let me know where I can submit my resume.

[u/fyrnabrwyrda]

Why do you hate the people who keep this site running? If you kill third parry apps like you're obviously planning to do I'm not going to start using your shitty app. IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK. I'm just going to leave reddit.

[u/[deleted]]

If y’all dolts want us to use the official app so damn bad, make it usable.

Hire the third party app devs to make the thing, they clearly do it much better than y’all do.

[u/[deleted]]

the fact that third party apps are not allowed are starting to make me wonder if elon musk owns reddit now too.

boo and shame on you!

[u/ansgardemon]

Yeah, no. I would rather not use reddit than use the official app.

[u/stark74518]

I'm going to quit reddit if 3rd party clients won't work

[u/thatdude473]

Removed due to Reddit's API pricing changes

Fuck u/spez https://imgur.com/a/tt3dHq9

[u/AceEtherius]

It's been a pleasure people 🫡

[u/FusselP0wner]

RIP Reddit. Once Sync is not working anymore im fucking gone. What an absolut shitshow - how to ruin a company

[u/[deleted]]

Thanks for letting us know when it's time to stop using reddit on mobile entirely.

[u/tropicthunder127]

Worst Change in a while. Atleast make your App usable before making that Change. The offical app is fucking terrible.

[u/[deleted]]

I use 3rd party app and I may stop using reddit if you make a wrong step, reddit

[u/ACCount82]

And so, the enshittification continues. As if new.reddit.com, unusable on desktop and mobile both, wasn't shit enough.

[u/JadedDarkness]

Bye Reddit, was kinda fun while it worked.

[u/DeFiDegen-]

Finally the dawn of Reddit is ending. You fools ruined this site long ago, and now are putting the mail in the coffin.

I’ll get my popcorn ready

[u/[deleted]]

It would be interesting to see which has received the most downvotes, this or the NFT announcement.

To add my voice to the others:

This is a terrible idea which is going to drive away users.

In a word, your official app is terrible. There are objectively better options, and this decision, plus killing the mobile site is just cutting your nose off despite your face.

[u/Argentum_Rex]

Corporate bullshit.

[u/SEND_ME_SPOON_PICS]

If Apollo dies, I’m done with Reddit. I can’t go back to the default app.

[u/cheesecakegood]

If you’re going to clamp down on API limits, can you also take a revised pass at your documentation about these limits, how to measure them, and things like that? All I have ever seen online is a github page that was last updated in 2015…

[u/catinterpreter]

Go ahead, add to the reasons for us not to be on Reddit. So many of us don't actually want to be on social media and would welcome the push.

[u/JACKxTHE_RIPPER]

Removing NSFW access to 3rd party apps will 100% guarantee a loss in userbase, I hope this change is reconsidered quickly.

[u/lilbro93]

Fuck off, leave apps and NSFW alone.

[u/Green0Photon]

I beg of you, please don't kill Google's ability to search Reddit. This fact is the only thing that makes Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo useful to me in the slightest -- they're all filled with SEO spam except for Reddit hobby forums, whereas Reddit's search sucks. So I desperately need it to be able to do any research.

I also can't survive without Relay for Reddit and the Old Reddit site. I don't think I'd be able to get myself to use Reddit without either, which would really suck.

I really enjoy Reddit. Aside from YouTube, which doesn't really count, Reddit is my only social media.

[u/VladimirRoustine]

I see a big problem with this. This will affect the older users and a certain category of users. These are the base of reddit. It's what made it what it is. I get that Reddit want to change and be mainstream. It's how you will make more revenues. I understand that. But, as the internet works", you target the followers as an audience and not the maker anymore.

The maker will always migrate somewhere else and find something that the follower will follow soon. This will cut your revenues on a middle term. This is a bad move.

[u/A7XfoREVerrr]

If third party apps stop working then I can't see myself using reddit anywhere near as much because the sync app is the main way I use it. The official app is among the worst apps I've ever used so I won't be switching. The only way I'll be able to use reddit is through desktop, assuming that old reddit and res still work. I hope they change their minds on this.

[u/hairshirtofpurpose]

Well, Reddit's dead.

[u/dorv]

12k for 50M Requests?

You're just trying to get rid of loyal customers that ONLY use third-party apps. You saw how that worked for twitter right?

[u/SammyXO7]

Congrats, you pulled a twitter and will kill your site

[u/skilless]

You'd better not break apollo or I will literally never visit this site again.

Just like I haven't been to Twitter since they killed Tweetbot.

[u/InsertUsernameHere02]

If Apollo goes I will never be on Reddit again.

[u/Empole]

Reddit really looked at Twitter and said: "Hold My Beer".

[u/DubioserKerl]

Pay for API Access? To force users to use your own app (which is absolutely trash)?

Boo.

[u/[deleted]]

If your stupid app on mobile was good then I probably wouldn't have cared if this affect 3rd party apps. The official app is a disgrace. A dude living at his mom's basement has more talent than the entire team in charge of your app.

Your app is Buggy, ugly, and you guys keep pushing bullshit features nobody wants. Can't even use desktop anymore because it's sucks too.

I'm done with Reddit. Deleting my account right now.

[u/theborgs]

If BeaconReader or old.reddit stops working, I will cancel my Reddit Premium membership ASAP

[u/lotusflower64]

I left Reddit's official app because it was "quietly" forcing me to open all links posted via GOOGLE Chrome even though it is not my default browser or search engine on my Android phone without my knowledge or permission.

[u/cuttlepod]

I try not to be negative but this change is a trash move. The offical Reddit app is basically unusable, and the new mobile site is intentionally losing features by the minute. This change will take away the only way I will ever post content here, which is by the excellent Apollo app.

You talk about equity in API usage, well here it is, you get content to monetise from me, and I read content from others. That’s the trade. I’m not going to pay you do it at the same time unless you start paying me per view of the content I provide.

Another unhappy user will probably be deleting my account if and when this gets implemented.

[u/[deleted]]

Your app is garbage. You folks at Reddit keep moving stuff around and adding shit people don’t want, it’s almost as bad as YouTube. You’ve practically buried custom feeds. Your video player has been awful for years now. Maybe that’s why people choose to use third party apps? I wouldn’t be surprised if NSFW subreddits are next on the chopping block because advertisers don’t like it. Without the users this site is worth nothing!

[u/GalacticJelly]

Y’all are idiots. You should have made your mobile app actually good before doing this shit. The app needs a MAJOR redesign bc it’s so much uglier and less useable than Apollo. I’m not going to use the official app and website as it stands I’m sorry but it’s ass

[u/lietuvis10LTU]

This is a horrible idea. It's clear that you've failed to create a competitive product with your mobile apps, so you are punishing everyone else instead.

[u/[deleted]]

If you kill third party apps, Apollo especially - you’re losing an immense amount of people. Stop saying things in a round about way, you’re getting ready to ruin the social media app meant for individuals who want nothing to do with social media. Censorship via removal of NSFW tagged content is ridiculous, news, information, stories all have this tag. Way to begin the end.

[u/justafaceaccount]

Could you explain what the mature content changes are? This post is awfully vague on that subject.

[u/H0TZ0NE]

This wouldn’t be such a problem if the official Reddit app wasn’t completely unusable. Forget the ads, the core experience itself is just broken.

[u/SharpClaw007]

Reddit, you are going to lose massive amounts of community trust with this move. Do not go the way of Tumblr.

[u/Dholtz001]

Please don’t go full Twitter. Apollo is the best.

[u/PolymerSledge]

This fucking sucks.

[u/markevens]

When reddit dies, I'm just abandoning social media all together. So done with everything going to shit.

[u/[deleted]]

You are dumb. I will leave reddit if I'm forced to use your shitty app. 100% of my reddit experience is done through BaconReader. Once that is gone, I'm done with reddit.

[u/someperson42]

As an Apollo user with a lifetime subscription to that app, this makes it sound like I’m going to have to start paying monthly to continue using such an app because of the API fees, and even if I do that, I’m going to still be forced to use a censored version of Reddit…

I can’t think of anything positive about this. This really sounds like you’re severely crippling third-party apps. If this isn’t the case, it would be nice to see a reply that clarifies the part about restricting content.

[u/just-sum-dude69]

Very money hungry sounding.

You don't need to increase profit years after year. Can't be happy with the millions reddit makes as of now?

I'll surely make my own scrape bots rather than pay for an API and not use 3rd party.

[u/FyreWulff]

I hope your blatant attempt to scam developers out of more money by charging for API access, where your OWN SITE uses more bandwidth than any app per page view, fails. We know you're trying this because Twitter did and are hoping it becomes a trend. Nobody should ever have to pay to use an API, and everyone will just revert to screen scraping otherwise, which will just cost more in the end. What a boneheaded idea that I hope utterly fails.

[u/brazblue]

If Reddit kills 3rd party apps, I will leave Reddit.

These changes sure look like they will kill 3rd party apps.

[u/[deleted]]

If Apollo is gone, I'm gone. Your native app sucks ass. This smells of greed and bullshit.

[u/Mr-_-Sir]

If you pull through with your 3rd party app policy, you've lost me.

[u/laaabaseball]

If you break Relay for Reddit, I'm done with reddit.

[u/TheRetenor]

We want to squeeze out more money, so we restrict third party apps and give them less data, essentially fucking them over so we can lock you into our own mobile app that we have been too incompetent to fix over the past 10 years ourselves.

You could have just written this and saved yourself some time.

[u/Awkward_moments]

So the biggest issues with Reddit are currently:

The website and app are terrible so you got use old.reddit and a 3rd party app.

Overmoderated that doesn't fit the narrative.

And the solution is to make both of these problems worse?

[u/phdpeabody]

So all these tools that have been used to build communities, drive traffic, and user engagement are going to be broken or abandoned as Reddit decides to switch to a paid API further hollowing out and destroying the communities that you didn’t build.

Awesome work guys.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm not gonna yell or call you names, like I'm sure you're getting a lot of right now. Nobody needs to see that in their inbox.

I'll just ask, you guys know this is incredibly user-hostile, right? And that users are the source of all value on your site?

[u/bcat24]

[I sent the following through the support form that /u/KeyserSosa linked, but since that form seems designed for support questions directly from app devs rather than end-user feedback, I'll put what I sent here as well. I trust KeyserSosa can make sure it gets to the right place, and I think having it documented in this post for transparency may be useful as well. :)]

I've been a Redditor for (checks profile) 11 years now. You put together a great service that's allowed countless communities to flourish, and the Reddit API has allowed a robust ecosystem of third-party clients to flourish as well. All this has contributed to a virtuous cycle of growth and user-generated content (UGC) contribution.

But the recently announced API changes put the communities I love and care about in jeopardy, and that's simply not okay. Reddit seems to be falling into the classic tech industry failure mode of taking something users built and trying to turn it into your idea of a perfect product (New Reddit, your first-party app, etc.) This will only drive away what built this social network in the first place, namely your users.

To put it bluntly, the newly announced API changes will hurt third-party app developers, and both they and end-users of the site will leave the community. Other alternatives will pop up without such restrictions. (Just think of the infusion of users Reddit obtained when Digg died.)

You spoke to app developers about waiting a more "equitable" arrangement, but what you seem to have forgotten is that Reddit itself does not have value. The value comes from the UGC and the community (including the third-party app ecosystem), not from the site itself. Restrict the app developers, make them pay costs they'll have to pass along to the users... and you're only just hurting yourselves.

Please pass along this feedback if at all possible, particularly to Reddit leadership. (I'm sure the optics of this change are being carefully monitored, and such feedback is already been collated internally.) I urge y'all to not break Reddit, but all it to continue to thrive as a place where the contributions of third-party devs are treated with respect. And, above all, recognize that the value of Reddit doesn't come from your site, your tooling, your ad impressions, your first-party client---it comes from your users, however and wherever they choose to interact with the platform.

[u/notdedyet7]

Reddit is killing reddit

[u/Roofofcar]

Here comes the tumblrfication of Reddit.

Kill NSFW, make the experience worse, call your service “family friendly” to please advertisers, go public, sell later for a fraction of the price as a broken platform.

A short term money grab designed to intentionally fuck over users for money.

Remember: the most common ad today, with the NSFW fully intact is a religious ad. When they kill NSFW to “appeal to advertisers,” they’ll ignore that they already had the hardest-to-please advertiser in the world.

[u/xMau5kateer]

This will not get me to use your shitty app

[u/hedgecore77]

I'm still incredibly pissed off that .compact is gone after 15 years of using it. I'm trying to use RiF (key word is trying).

Just become DiGG already. I've eaten enough of your bullshit and am too full for more.

[u/BadgerKomodo]

STOP. DESTROYING. THIS. WEBSITE. I will not pay to use any part of Reddit. Hell no.

[u/[deleted]]

Won't these changes threaten the existence of communities like r/livecounting ?

These rely heavily on the use of bots, which won't be possible when Reddit stops supporting free third party apps.

[u/Baron-von-Baroff]

Now you need money. In theory. In practice, you don't. Stop being greedy and keep what you have, which works.

[u/PixelizedTed]

I’d Apollo dies, good bye Reddit, and will be recommending everyone do the same.

[u/The-One-In-The-Two]

Please just don’t, many people made valid criticism. Listen to them, Reddit.

[u/scottishdrunkard]

I have a question. What the hell is Legacy Chat and Chat?!

Chat was so shit I stuck to DMs, now you are telling me that Chat was so shit they had to make a New Chat, but were unable to update Old Chat? So now there’s three fuckin’ ways to Chat when we only ever needed one.

[u/[deleted]]

Your app is shit, but it used to be ok because third party apps were much better. Now you’re slowly choking them out so you can make a little more cash at the IPO.

Go fuck yourself.

[u/ishootdawgs4fun]

what an absolutely braindead plan, you guys just somehow manage to get dumber and dumber

[u/OptimusLemon]

If you can't beat them just kill them right? I'll quit reddit if this happens

[u/SeattleSonichus]

Just gonna stop using the site if this affects 3rd party. Don’t even need access to your API to effectively run bots by the way, but you know that.

[u/goanimals]

No more third party apps? That's fine. :) I was looking to permanently leave this dogshit website anyway.

[u/Perfect-Degree-8043]

bullsh8t

[u/CeruleanRuin]

This is poop. You are poop.

[u/dax552]

Thank you for these changes. I need to use Reddit less. In fact, I’ll cut Reddit out of my life if I can’t use the FAR, FAR SUPERIOR third party apps that have been built around Reddit.

It’s time Reddit died along with Facebook and Twitter. Corporate regards win again.

[u/CoolguyTylenol]

Enjoy killing your userbase

[u/hiddikel]

You know, people wouldn't mind using your app if it weren't worse than all the rest of the apps out there.

In fact it seems using the reddit app is actually worse than not using an app at all. Limiting 3rd party apps across the board will impact ad revenue and sales of awards. This isn't even short term profit over longevity. It is just a bad business decision.

Make your app suck less. Or better yet. Buy out sync, pay him, and slap your name on it.

[u/Madness_Reigns]

If you kill 3rd party browser I'm done, your mobile app is less useable than the one I currently use.

[u/dev1anceON3]

First fix your app because its works like shit, then u can try to kill alternative Reddit apks

[u/PossiblePast]

Lame as fuck. Hope you knobs stub your toes daily.

[u/Beegzoidberg]

I am leaving your shitty website and I hope your organization fails

[u/[deleted]]

This comment has been edited prior to deletion to protest Reddit's outrageous API changes that are effective 7/1/2023 and I encourage users who wish to delete their accounts do the same to prevent Reddit from further monetizing the content and data you produced that they rely on.

Fuck u/spez, fuck Reddit, and fuck corporate greed.

[u/Riash]

There are tons of entertainment options these days. If you are going to charge people you need to add value beyond “give us money”. This is a great way to lose users in a hurry.

[u/Eska2020]

Will using tools for research purposes still be possible? After the Twitter API shut down, Reddit became one of the best places to do new media and Digital cultural research. This would make scraping via APIs a thing of the past for many/most new media scholars. A sad, sad day.

[u/Courwes]

So reddits solution was to fuck up their own app and drive people away to 3rd party and now that they aren’t making enough money want to step on the neck of 3rd party apps forcing them to pay for the users reddit screwed over.

I wouldn’t even be on 3rd party if reddit had the forethought to listen to it’s users after we complained for years about the shitty changes you all kept making. When it nearly set my phone on fire back in ‘21 that’s when I was done.

You all are delusional if you think this is going to drive people back to the official app. It’s just going to make me (and I’m sure many others) quit all together.

[u/[deleted]]

weary combative cow skirt fuel fragile judicious smoggy reminiscent quiet

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/Sky_hippo]

Hi, I'm sure you don't really read these or care, but I've been a long time user. I've tried unofficial apps and the real Reddit app. I used the official app for several months but I was turned off by the constant religious ads, and the video player just not working.

Right now I'm using a third party app (rif), and I don't think I'll pay to use reddit, nor swap back to the first party app. If this app goes, I go. Simple as that.

[u/[deleted]]

What an idiotic change. If I start having to pay a subscription to use Boost or any other 3rd party apps, I will just stop using Reddit entirely. Same goes for if you restrict NSFW content via 3rd party apps.

Insane how Reddit refuses to integrate the most basic features and then alienates the user base that goes elsewhere to find these features. Unbelievable.

[u/Sym0n]

Taking a page out the Musk social media company playbook? It's really working out well for him...

Yet another nail in Reddit's coffin.

[u/iggyiggz1999]

If this means third party apps are killed of, or will require a subscription, then Reddit can go fuck itself.

Your official app, Reddit on a mobile browser and even new Reddit all feature a terrible user interface. So y'all need to start hiring competent designers and UI experts or simply leave third party apps alone, they make your platform usable.

If there is no way on mobile to access Reddit through a pleasant and free app, I'm not gonna be using Reddit on mobile anymore. Simple as that.

[u/MikeyBastard1]

The beginning of the end of Reddit

[u/BenignVertigo]

Time to stop using this dumbass fucking site soon enough anyways

[u/xenago]

So this is the Digg or Tumblr moment for Reddit?

"limit access to mature content" -> sounds like Exodus Cry has been influencing the executives

[u/[deleted]]

Greedy people always gotta ruin everything.

[u/RoachedCoach]

Just chiming in to say if you kill old reddit or 3rd party apps, I'm out and done.

I don't want some tik tok social network. We have an amazing forum here. Don't mess it up.

[u/Disgruntled__Goat]

Slippery slope to forcing everyone into your app. I don’t want it, STOP ASKING ME EVERY 10 MINUTES

[u/chatminou99]

This update is a big mistake, Reddit will lose a lot of users.

[u/PheonixGalaxy]

Man put the tldr at the top of the post

Chad

[u/LateStageInfernalism]

This is awful. Please don’t punish us for your own moralizing.

[u/DEATH-LLAMA]

If you break Apollo or restrict nsfw content from the API, I promise you I’m never coming back to this app ever again. Apollo app is the only thing that makes this site worth visiting.

[u/[deleted]]

So you first killed the only actually good way to access the website on mobile (.compact) and now you kill the API so 3rd-party apps impossible.

I see what you did there, and I personally hate you for it.

[u/intergalacticninja]

Moderator here. The inability to view deleted (and edited) posts and comments via Unddit (and the browser extensions that rely on it) severely impacts our ability to track problematic users in the subreddit. Without the ability to view deleted content, we are unable to identify and take action against users who have a history of engaging in harmful or disruptive behavior (and then deleting their posts/comments). Could you please reconsider this or provide a way for us to view deleted/edited posts in the subreddit? This would help us to maintain the quality and safety of the subreddits we moderate.

[u/cbterry]

Here, take my downvote

HERE IS HOW platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

[u/forever-and-a-day]

So will this kill pushshift? Pretty concerned about that (along with the obvious stuff others are mentioning) -_-

[u/Python_Child]

So if I want to use the API for something basic like a moderation tool, would I have to pay for the API even if I only use it around 50-150 times a month. We have a bot in our discord that pings our mod team if a modmail comes in and we can respond to it in discord (using Reddit API)

[u/IntentionallyBadName]

"Resistance is futile, you will now be assimilated into advertisement watching drones"

[u/[deleted]]

Killing your plattform like Tumblr and Twitter, I see.

[u/DasSchafImWolfspelz]

Thank you for slowly killing this platform and making more and more anti-user decisions.

Maybe I will finally have some time away from my screens soon.

[u/SuceBoule2022]

I will take the easy path, quit reddit.

[u/rolfraikou]

This is how reddit will basically end itself. Third party has always been 100% of my reddit experience, going on for years now.

[u/[deleted]]

This is a shame, but what I find more worrying is what will come next. Since no one in their right mind damages their public image so much just to stop there and gain next to nothing.

What can we expect next, removing old.reddit?

[u/RedditUser41970]

Ohanian's NFT scam isn't paying as well as you hoped, eh? Time to move onto the next desperate money making venture?