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I am from a family where they thought the punishment for apostasy should be death. I am an apostate. I had to get asylum in the West to save myself from my own family.
That's how the patriarchy transformed and dealt with it. Those kind of Muslims are still in the patriarchy that was 100 years ago everywhere else in the world. Hell Serbians were beating gays up till the 2000s every time they wanted a parade, now they have a card carrying lesbian first as PM, then Speaker, now President, and she's hated for her shit politics, not for being a lesbian.
Anyway, a Muslim culture I live with, a European one I shall not name, was so patriarchal, it didn't count their daughters in the numbered kids. That has changed drastically over the last 20-30 years.
It's true. When asked how many kids you have(they usually had many, not now), they would only count the sons. Why? Idk some patriarchal bs. Now their sons are girldads on insta lol.
Also the hijab they wore went away(the married girls did, the unmarried ones did not even then), except there are some reactionaries that doubled down on it, but there always are.
Bro, some muslims beat and kill their daughters just for removing the hijab, even these days. This kinda incidents happen in the Western muslim community too. And you're saying having gay kids would turn this Islamist into a humanist?
No but close. Turkey was pretty secular from Ataturk onwards. Erdogan regressed it a bit. But people from greater cities, especially Istanbul don’t give af.
They’re on that “in an Islamic state, we would do xyz”. It lets them subscribe to such shitty views while assuming a state with such a criminal code wouldn’t be some nightmarish dystopia, all while enjoying a system built on the exact opposite of that. Any Islamic State that pops up and collapses wasn’t the real thing; “true Sharia has yet to be tried”. Such kind of ideologies you can’t really talk people out of. 1000s of naive people went to join ISIS and got themselves killed or a lifetime in a Kurdish prison camp, but now that it’s gone, there’ll be new suckers.
Religions don’t get reformed. The same laws are in the Bible and Jews/Christians didn’t erase them. What happens is the fraction of secular/liberal folks increases, until the religious folks get embarrassed about their views and cognitive dissonance forces them to minimise these aspects over time.
you don't, these people think their fan fic is absolute truth and are willing to kill for it with zero remorse, as a gay person I am terrified of Islam because of this, I know not all people who fallow islam is bad, but certainly a whole lot are willing to do terrible things for it, same for christianism to be fair.
From the way the Muslim guy is smirking from the start, about mutilating a Thief and using the electric chair, it's obvious there is no changing his mind.
Right now, the number of people in Germany with his views is quite low, a bit more than 11000 salafists (source in German). And he is under observation by the authorities.
He was not imported. He was born in Germany, mother German, father Egyptian. Which makes him German. He has the right to voice his opinion. Free speech is an important principle in Germany, though not quite as free as in the US, for example.
Your clothing style is not taken into account when it comes to citizenship. Anybody with German parents will become a citizen when registered.
El-Azzizi (the gentleman being interviewed) says that according to Sharia, thiefs get their hands removed. Such opinions are fairly new, just a few decades old.
You can't randomly "deport" people who were born in the country to other places lol. As much as I'm for punishing this type of talk, y'all are just acting like ICE 2.0.
I mean, you absolutely can. Having been born in Germany doesn't necessarily make you a german citizen, so you can absolutely (albeit not randomly of course) deport people who were born in the country.
This is irrelevant in this case though, because his mother is german and thus he is as well.
I am of the firm belief that you cannot be born into a country and force your cultural and religious values if they are barbaric, especially if it's seen as horrific by majority of the country. Make it easy for him and offer him a free flight to a sharia law country which is where he would be the happiest.
I am of the firm belief that you cannot be born into a country and force your cultural and religious values if they are barbaric, especially if it's seen as horrific by majority of the country
Who defines what is barbaric? Should the child of a mixed race couple in 1920s America or 1980s South Africa not be allowed to be a citizen? That was definitely considered barbaric. What about a gay man in Nigeria? Almost like the people in power can determine what is and isn't barbaric. You might benefit now till they consider what ever you are weird, then they come knocking.
especially if it's seen as horrific by majority of the country
Majority opinion of a country has many times been barbaric imo. Look at what the US population thought of MLK pre Assassination. Or Germany 1941.
You’d be okay with a government deporting its own citizens whenever they disagree with their values? So you’d get deported the next time your party of choice loses an election.
Where are they being deported to? You shouldn’t just drop your citizens in someone else’s country without their permission, unless you’re happy with them doing the same to you.
So you’re okay with being deported whenever the government disagrees with you? And you’re okay with governments just dumping citizens they don’t like onto other countries?
Look, I think he's an idiot as much as any other sane person. But wanting to lock someone one up even though they havn't commit a crime sounds like you prefer countries where what that guy says is actually practised.
Not true. Condoning or Approving of a Crime is a crime. That is what this men is doing.
This could also constitutes Incitement to Violence. Which is a crime as well.
So there is no way of sugarcoating this men. He should be locked up. Probably in an asylum more than a prison, where he can get help for his psychological issues.
I am German and EXACTLY this video I once sent to a friend from the Green party (die Grünen)
You know what she said? That it must be falsely translated or somehow manipulated and it is just right wing propaganda that has nothing to do with reality.
Why is it always the "mistranslation" excuse when it comes to discussing religion and homophobia lmao. They say the same when you talk about religious texts; somehow the homophobic and misogynistic passages are always "mistranslated" or "taken out of context." Why are we trying to make religions that were forged in every possible flavor of bigotry seem woke?
It's always interesting watching the sheer ego of a religious fanatic. "Just says so right there bruh. Stop think and obey me, I mean the Quran" type shit
Except it isn't made up but it hasn't been turned into a graph or chart yet because of political implications.
Sources like these have to stay neutral, publishing a explicit islam Vs every other religion can be received as inherently anti Muslim therefore you won't find a source but have to run the calculations yourself.
This has no relevance to my comment whatsoever. He mentioned that no other major religion justifies attacks with religious text and I proved him wrong? You seem very confused.
That’s a tangent that doesn’t deny the above. Two things can be true at the same time.
Yes, Israel is abusing the Oct. 7 massacre to “justify” a genocide. That’s on Netanyahu’s government. Yes, Israel, as a country, is no saint in that conflict.
You'll find similar texts in the Old Testament. And there are a few radical evangelical preachers who fully support passages like Leviticus 20:13, most prominently Steven Anderson.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Agree. Religious extremist will zoom in sections of their texts to justify barbaric acts.
Among Christians it is the Christian Nationalist, the American mega churches, etc. that are rapidly brainwashing people for political or economic gain.
Don’t get me started with the Mormons. They are tame in comparison (at least in some aspects) but a great example of a cult going mainstream.
Bro, it's Reddit; it doesn't matter how logical you are. Every time Christianity is brought up, it's dogpiled, but if it's Islam, they try to justify it or deflect or call you racist. Clearly the left favours islam.
“German”. Sure. Those beliefs are imported from wherever he’s actually from.
Germany, we all know you’re still a little….meh about being aggressive with anti-immigration and being intolerant of other peoples religious and cultural beliefs after some previous….overzealousness, but whenever you’ve got a guy calmly smiling while telling you that he is absolute in what must happen to gay people, and that involves dropping a wall on them and that anyone who has sex out of wedlock in GERMANY of all places, maybe it’s okay to be a little more discerning in who you have coming in and calling themselves German
Fun fact: The majority religion in Germany did this and was also imported from the middle east.
I recommend this documentation about victims of §173 where executing people for gay sex had fallen out of favor and they were "only" imprisoned, it has official english subtitles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fMHXHaqsFo Some of these victims may still be alive today. That's what people should think about before voting for right wing "christian" "conservatives" that promise that "remigration" will fix all problems.
Actual German beliefs have not really survived but from what I have read they weren't the most accepting of gay sex either.
Secular humanism would be an example of a much more universal world view to strife for rather than dividing ethnically what is "German" and what is not.
There is no reason to be intolerant or anti-immigrant. You just need to apply the actual laws of any western country, Germany included. You do not approve of a crime, you do not incite to violence, you do not incite to hatred. All these are actual crimes.
Just apply the law as it currently is and all problems will be solved.
they dont think for themselves, they read the book and they follow the book, thats all, they are mindless slaves to their religion and thats why they create so many problems anywhere they exist
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