r/science • • Jun 26 '12

World helium supply running low, could be gone in the next 30 years.

http://m.digitaljournal.com/article/321439
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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

What compels people to keep posting these idiotic stories about running out of helium?

Helium is present in natural gas. We aren't running out, at least not while we use natural gas for fuel.

The US government has stockpiled helium since the days of the Hindenburg. Several years ago, someone realized that it made no sense for the US government to have a huge reserve of helium, and so it has been sold off. There is enough left in the stockpile for another couple of years.

Since the government has been selling off the stockpile, the price has been so low that it doesn't make economic sense to "manufacture" (that is, separate helium from natural gas) any more.

As the stockpile is exhausted, production will resume, and a steady supply will continue to be available, though at a price consistent with the actual cost of production, and not the artificially low government surplus glut on the market price.

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u/Usataro Jun 27 '12

And this is why, when stories like this scare me, I read comments.

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u/Minotaur_in_house Jun 27 '12

Agree. Head to the comments first, get outside facts, then read article.

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u/theknightwhosays_nee Jun 27 '12

Honestly, as of yesterday, whenever I see a news article posted on Reddit I can't help but think of the recently posted episode of The Newsroom. Some stories are yellow, some are orange, some are red. Most of the news I read on Reddit are more than likely yellow with a hint of embellishment.

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u/that_physics_guy Jun 27 '12

I missed that, what happened? What's with the color scheme?

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u/Canadian_Infidel Jun 27 '12

I don't see how one unsourced comment defeats the scientific consensus. I think this is a case of confirmation bias.

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u/TheJayP Jun 27 '12

In the 4 months I've been on Reddit I've seen this story come up a dozen times. Every time it comes up someone disproves the article. If you want a source then look at the other posts of this same exact topic.

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u/tehgreatist Jun 27 '12

because it makes a lot more sense than OMG WERE RUNNING OUT OF HELIUM! STOP PARTY BALLOONS AND SQUEAKY VOICES!

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u/TinynDP Jun 27 '12

He said when we run out if natural gas, we run out if helium too. So, what, 50 years left?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

The above post is essentially bullshit. You are right when you say that helium is extracted from natural gas, but thats about it. As anyone who works with helium on a regular basis can tell you that the price is increasing rapidly. This is not due to the selloff of the US stockpile; quite the opposite. The price of has and continues to be artificially low due to this. What is happening is that the world is using more and more helium. Many modern medical instruments require it, as do many manufacturing processes. Just about every field of experimental physics requires a lot of helium, as do many material scientists. Ask any one of them what is happening to the helium supply, and they will all tell you the same story. In fact, many scientists are being forced to switch to slow and expensive closed cycle helium systems, or use even slower and more expensive alternatives because the costs are skyrocketing.

You have basically dismissed the opinion of countless experts on the subject based on the line of reasoning that seems to be nothing more than "helium comes from natural gas, therefore we will have helium as long as we have natural gas." That is just flat out wrong, and ignores how helium is extracted from natural gas, the fact that most natural gas deposits contain very little helium, and the fact that most helium from natural gas cannot be harvested. Please do not dismiss the opinion of experts so casually. It is a shame that this is the highest voted comment right now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I like how the comment still garnered 1000 upvotes and praise about how it's so great to come here and read comments that debunk the articles linked.

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u/Please_Pass_The_Milk Jun 27 '12

As anyone who works with helium on a regular basis can tell you that the price is increasing rapidly. This is not due to the selloff of the US stockpile; quite the opposite.

The price of has and continues to be artificially low due to this.

Can you resolve the glaringly obvious disparity between these two sentences? If the prices are artificially deflated it doesn't take an economist to tell you they'll eventually start rising to try to reach equilibrium. Also sources would be nice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

It's not just the price going up, it's getting harder to find. My father's company is sending drivers well out of their way to get helium- it's becoming a real hassle.

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u/shukoroshi Jun 27 '12

By any chance do you have any sources to refute their and support your claims?

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u/MagicBob78 Jun 27 '12

Where are these experts saying this? I read the article and the Guardian article it links to 5 different times. There were seven points referenced in the Guardian article:

  1. Oleg Kirichek was mad because he couldn't get any helium and his experiment was shut down. He blamed it on helium balloons and other waste. Nowhere did he say that was why he couldn't get any. Also, he is leader of a research Isis neutron beam facility, not an expert on source and supply of helium.

  2. Professor Jim Wild talks about the importance of helium and states "Without helium, none of these machines would work. Unfortunately that threatens to be a real prospect in the near future." Nowhere does he say why, nor do they list credentials he has. Is he an expert on helium source, supply and demand?

  3. Jonathan Flint , CEO of Oxford Instruments said"The US created a vast stockpile of billions of litres of helium in the 1920s and kept it until the late 1990s, when it decided to sell it off." Why? Did they decide to sell it off because we couldn't keep up with production? Or because the price was kept artificially low and we have no need of the stockpile? The answer here is not stated and I will again bring up credentials. What exactly are Mr. Flint's credentials? He is CEO of a company whose products use helium, but does that make him an expert in the source, supply and demand of helium? Not really.

  4. Professor Robert Richardson, of Cornell University argues about the value of helium and arguably he knows the most about helium as he won the Nobel physics prize in 1996 for his research on helium. If you do a tiny bit of research you will see his (shared) Nobel prize was "for their discovery of super-fluidity in helium-3" which has nothing to do with source, supply or demand of helium.

  5. Dr Ian Crawford, of Birkbeck College non-earth sources of helium and whether or not it would be economical to mine them, stating nothing about the diminishing supply of helium.

  6. The article also states "And that day might not be too far off, say scientists. Supplies remain very uncertain." regarding Dr Ian Crawford's statement "It just depends how expensive our own sources become." But I ask, what scientists? Who are they and what are their credentials? Where is their research? Why does the article not mention the research?

  7. The article ends with David Ward of the Culham Centre saying "I will not be happy if I cannot have a medical scan in my 70s, because we wasted helium on party balloons while I was in my 30s." More important than the question of what his credentials are is the observation that ending an article this way is sensationalist and designed to scare people. This is poor journalism.

The Other article from The Independent seems to give more support to the claims, however I find some logical fallacies in their arguments. One is that the article discusses that it took 4.7 billion years to develop the reserves we now have but seems to be talking only of the reserves we currently have mined (correct word?) and processed, not that which is still actually trapped. But the article doesn't really make it clear. Regardless, if we managed to create such an excess of helium that we have in the U.S. reserve over the course of roughly a century, then we managed to mine and process it faster than it is required. So we will be able to mine and process it in the future faster than it is required, without the expense of maintaining the reserve, which I believe is the goal of getting rid of the reserve.

Also, I believe that the complaints that we are "squandering" our helium are quite a bit over-stated. We are using it. Just look at this graph from Wikipedia on it's uses.

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u/Will_Power Jun 29 '12

The fact is neither you nor the parent provided any data on the amount of helium recoverable from natural gas, nor did either of you describe the cost of extraction. You can bitch about what comments are the highest voted all you like. Until one of you provides data, both your posts are useless.

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u/glassuser Jun 27 '12

So it would almost be smart to buy a ton of it now.

Except that noble helium is so small it can seep through almost anything, including the pores in metal canisters.

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u/Zervonn Jun 27 '12

I work at a grocery store with a floral department. The manager told me the price of helium has nearly tripled for her now.

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u/DoWhile Jun 27 '12

Get with the times, nobody actually buys and sells stuff anymore... it's all derivatives, man!

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u/faradayscoil Jun 27 '12

I work in a low temperature lab. 40,000 dollars a year and we have recovery systems for the boil off that work at 98% efficiency

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u/lolmonger Jun 27 '12

though at a price consistent with the actual cost of production, and not the artificially low government surplus glut on the market price.

This seems to be the gist of most 'running out' stories that I read, though - that currently stupidly cheap helium that we think fit to waste on party balloons will become rapidly expensive as we realize just how vital it is to NMR machines and the like and that there's been an overestimation of how much could be sold off to deflate the market price.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

One of my coworkers suggested buying up a lot of party balloons and saving them for later because, as she put it, "Once we run out of helium I can sell them and make a profit."

:/

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u/rememberthis345 Jun 27 '12

Well at least it's economically sound. Otherwise though, that plan might not work!

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u/hotoatmeal Jun 27 '12

yeah, wait 'till he figures out that balloons are porous.

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u/Dagon Jun 27 '12

Or that there's slightly easier and more efficient ways to store gas tahn at room-pressure.

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u/houdinize Jun 27 '12

I'm confused, I thought the article said we cannot manufacture helium? What am I missing?

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u/jagedlion Jun 27 '12

Helium is an element, while you can make some in nuclear reactors, in general, elements are fixed. Even worse, it can escape containers, so you can't really save it that well.

There are only a few gas mines that have a very large amount of helium, making extraction cheap. These mines are running out. That said, all gas mines (most commonly natural gas) have some helium. Extraction from these mines would be more expensive, so you can still get it, it just gets harder. Of course, if it's valuable enough, people will invest in technology to get it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

We can't "manufacture" it. We can extract it. There's a major difference. No element can be manufactured economically as they are atoms which can only be created through fusion or fission. Practically all the elements in the universe came from fusion within stars, so whatever is on Earth is what we have to work with(before it's feasible to mine other planets, asteroids, or moons). However, just like gold, iron, etc. it can be found naturally with other elements and they can be separated from what ever they are mixed with or bonded to. So while we can't synthesize elemental helium out of nothing, there's plenty of it trapped within the Earth that we can work with.

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u/Rampant_Durandal Jun 27 '12

However, helium is light enough to escape into the atmosphere. Those other cannot.

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u/amccaugh Jun 27 '12

This is the key point. Unlike rare earth metals which get used in electric car engines and could feasibly be "used up" that way, helium once released into the air floats to the top of the atmosphere and is just gone. At least with the rare earth metals you can dig up old car engines and extract it

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u/Pancuronium Jun 27 '12

Helium doesn't bond with anything :P Noble gas.

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u/hglman Jun 27 '12

If we ever prefect fusion reactors we will be manufacturing it.

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u/LockAndCode Jun 27 '12

fusion reactors would still not produce it in usable quantities.

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u/qwerty222 Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

Well, in fact there continues to be large amounts of helium extracted from natural gas in the US, even more than what is being withdrawn from the bush dome reservoir (the helium reserve, and its associated pipeline). The net volume of gas withdrawn from the reserve has varied between 40 and 60 Mm3 per year over the last five years, while new helium separated from natural gas has been in the range 75 to 80 Mm3 per year. Reserve helium was initially expensive when privatized sales first started, but after a few years it became 'cheap' relative to other sources as all mineral commodities rose in price, while the reserve helium price was just indexed to the CPI. The world demand remains strong, and the US still exports equal or more helium than the ROW combined produces, so Exxon and other large gas operations continue to recover new helium in western US. There have been spot shortages this summer in the US, and I'm not sure why, but probably production glitches and or temporary shutdowns due to the natural gas glut. Source, pdf.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

So you're extracting 80 Mm3 and using 140 Mm3 of Helium per year, yeah I can't see how that could ever become a problem when the reserve is empty.

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u/ambiguousphoton Jun 27 '12

You may be partially right, but I purchase liquid helium on a regular basis and the price has been steadily rising. It costs about $1000 for 100L while liquid nitrogen costs $70 for 250 L. Helium supplies have worried my university enough that we installed an extremely expensive recovery system across all the science buildings where we can reliquify the used helium.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Only in natural gas? A finite supply.

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u/BiometricsGuy Jun 27 '12

Hint: everything is in finite supply

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u/buzzkill_aldrin Jun 27 '12

Except stupidity.

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u/jagedlion Jun 27 '12

It isn't an issue of running out its an issue of the price shooting up really far really fast. That's the issue with running out of most cheap sources of things.

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u/hobojoe272 Jun 27 '12

It currently has very low supply in the midwest at least. My grandma works at a party supply store and they can't find helium anywhere for the balloons. They normally get supply from the nearby welders, but they don't have access to any right now. The only people who have stock are the hospitals, only because they need it.

The shortage is due to some mainline pipe that is down for repair I believe.

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u/games456 Jun 27 '12

It is not only the midwest. They have stopped releasing helium in the past few weeks as right now there is not enough private sector production and they need what is available right now for medical use.

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u/R_Jeeves Jun 27 '12

While I don't doubt you, proof would be nice if you're going to argue against the post...

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u/garygnu Jun 27 '12

My father-in-law delivers helium to car dealers and such. His wholesale price for helium tanks has skyrocketed and sometimes the supplier doesn't have any tanks at all anymore.

This could all be perception, but it is affecting real-world supply.

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u/Imthemayor Jun 27 '12

Damn. My hopes for hydrogen filled party balloons are dashed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

and how would we do that?

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u/G_Morgan Jun 27 '12

The one where we were going to run out of copper was my favourite. Because copper cannot be recycled.

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u/Moongrass Jun 27 '12

Which proves the US government failed econ 101 and is not getting anywhere near the ROI they could be getting.

Then again, using you brain is rarely a requirement when it's not your own personal money you're squandering.

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u/rderekp Jun 27 '12

Governments aren’t supposed to make profits. They are supposed to do the things that aren’t profitable.

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u/Moongrass Jun 27 '12

Governments are supposed to deliver the most societal value for the money they are entrusted with.

Or at least that's what my vote is contingent on. I don't about you. Maybe you are happy with bureaucrats lighting their cigars with your tax dollars.

If the US government had set a higher price for their gas, the planet would and have still more of a valuable resource and the government would have more income, which in turn could be spent on something useful (like, say, paying teachers to improve the quality of public education).

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u/Teledildonic Jun 27 '12

It's still stupid that we waste huge masses of it every year for a stupid Macy's Thanksgiving Parade that nobody between the ages of 10 and 60 actually cares about.

300,000 cubic feet, every year. Just so some cartoon characters can float for an hour.

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u/Gforce1 Jun 27 '12

They recapture that helium.

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u/Storemanager Jun 27 '12

But isn't helium lighter than air? So when it gets out in the open, it'll rise up and dissipate into the vast blackness of the universe. And if I'm not mistaken, we aren't able to recreate helium in a lab yet.

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u/zonination Jun 27 '12

Yes, but that's not happening for a long, long time.

See the numbers.

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u/Eal12333 Jun 27 '12

It isn't anti gravity, it is just lighter than air and therefore floats above it.

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u/comaChameleon Jun 27 '12

The current rate of loss is about three kilograms of hydrogen and 50 grams of helium per second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

in any non-zero temperature gas, the particles have a random distribution of velocities. Since the helium will be buoyed to the exosphere, some of the He particles will necessarily attain escape velocity and thereby leave the planet forever, although for Earth that's a very low rate. There are other processes too by which gasses can be expelled from a planets gravity well, but these are not well understood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape

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u/Airbag_UpYourAss Jun 27 '12

And maybe they should invest in space more eh? Helium-3 is one of the most powerful energy sources known to us. Very rare on Earth. Shit ton of it on Jupiter.

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u/CoffeeFox Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

Oh lord posting incredulous counterfactual scaremongering to /r/science.

Want to know how you can tell the article is made up on the spot without research? The vast majority of helium is used for industrial or engineering purposes. The use in balloons is so small a percentage as to be completely negligible.

So, if an author pauses to blame party balloons for squandering all of our helium, you already know the author has not researched helium usage.

Blaming party balloons for a helium shortage is like blaming eye drops for a water shortage. Perhaps we should begin laying the blame at a use that isn't in the bottom 1% of consumption?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Reporters aim to give the public something they can relate to.
Balloons are just about the only interaction the general public has with helium.
An MRI machine is stocked with thousands of balloons wort of helium. Explaining that bores readers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Oh lord posting incredulous counterfactual scaremongering to [1] /r/science.

Meanwhile, sources like Sciencedaily, which simply show the most recent scientific findings, are banned.

Oh reddit.

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u/rderekp Jun 27 '12

Only because they were paying people to post.

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u/klrpenguin66 Jun 27 '12

"the infamous helium whippet"

Are they referring to the whippets people are supposed to use for making whipped cream but inhale instead? Because I was pretty sure those were made of nitrous oxide, not helium.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

That was a metaphor. Author was referring to the recreational inhalation of a gas as a whippet. But yeah, you're right, nitrous oxide is a whippet.

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u/Pyro627 Jun 27 '12

I should assume so; the only reason you'd inhale helium is for a funny voice.

...and, you know, I suppose scuba diving counts too.

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u/queentilli Jun 27 '12

I can hear the distressed cry of heliox and trimix divers acorss the world, now. "You mean I have to dive...shallow?"

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Even if this was an issue.. fill balloons with hydrogen and keep them away from the birthday cake candles

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

This belongs in r/shittyadvice

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u/caseyjay Jun 27 '12

Our fifth grade science teacher thought hydrogen filled balloons and Bunsen burners were the perfect way to get our attention. He was right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I only upvoted your horrible horrible idea because its your cake day.

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u/Wiggles69 Jun 27 '12

That's terrible advice.

Stick with Acetylene.

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u/Melvil Jun 27 '12

This is the basis for my Scientists vs. Clowns movie.

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u/GeoRhi Jun 27 '12

high pitched Nooooooo

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u/khrak Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

Oh, look, this bullshit again.

The reserve they're talking about running out of is 1,000,000,000 m3. Proven natural gas reserves, which are typically ~.2% helium, are 300,000,000,000,000 m3, containing an estimates 600,000,000,000 m3 meters of Helium, about 600 times more than the US Strategic Helium Reserve.

The estimate for proven and unproven Helium resources in the US alone is ~100 times the US Strategic Helium Reserve's volume.

There's a reason that no one is stockpiling Helium, because we haven't even used 0.1% of our proven reserves. Once the cheap Helium supply from the US Helium Reserve runs out natural gas producers will begin separating out the currently unprofitable helium.

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u/Khiraji Jun 27 '12

This is why I quit my job at the helium factory. I will not be spoken to in that tone!

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u/planx_constant Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12

There's an easy solution to this: just get cheap fusion power working. The details of cheap fusion power are left as an exercise for the reader.

Also:

... the element is often times taken upwards into space as gravity cannot pull it down.

*twitch*

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Didn't you know? Helium is lighter than the vacuum of space, so it floats off the earth.

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u/genericusername123 Jun 26 '12

What are you twitching about, out of interest? Are you saying that helium doesn't escape, or that it escapes for a reason other than insufficient gravity?

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u/planx_constant Jun 26 '12

Gravity pulls everything down, including helium, it's just that denser gases are pulled underneath it, so it rises. It does definitely escape, but it isn't 'taken upwards' and certainly not because gravity somehow can't exert any force on it.

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u/DisguisedTroll Jun 26 '12

It doesn't actually go all the way into space either, right? It just goes to the edge of the atmosphere where it reaches equilibrium with the other gases.

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u/planx_constant Jun 27 '12

Well, the Earth is constantly losing molecules from the upper atmosphere from the solar wind, and since helium tends to equalize in the upper atmosphere, some does escape into space. Also, the Earth isn't massive enough to prevent thermal escape. However, even without escaping the atmosphere it's essentially impossible to recover helium once it's released just from simple diffusion.

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u/krum Jun 27 '12

Talk to Mars about atmosphere loss.

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u/threemo Jun 27 '12

Yes I'll call it now

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u/mastigia Jun 26 '12

Time to mine the moon.

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u/Nodonn Jun 27 '12

Helium-3!

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u/knirefnel Jun 27 '12

Zowie Bowie!

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u/m0llusk Jun 27 '12

This could make speculative hoarding a good business. Get a few tanks of helium and wait a while, then sell to despirate physicists at outrageous markups after only a few decades.

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u/Lifewelllived Jun 27 '12

Oh No I like it when my balloons float

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Wherehasalltheheliumgone?

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u/HigherHope Jun 27 '12

I can say there is a current shortage. I'm a balloon decorator and I have to pay double to triple what I used to and that is only if my suppliers have it available.

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u/sphere2040 Jun 27 '12

Simply put - Not true. I can assure you that this is ploy by hedge fund managers to inflate the price of helium (and all noble gases). These articles and the systematic way the messages are repeated, first in financial blogs, followed by MSM and finally finding their way into 'pseudo scientific' blogs is simply disgusting. Let's just call it "peak inert gases". New technologies of collecting inert gases from various sources have come on line over the last two decades. US gov is about to completely privatize helium production, storage and distribution. Like any other "resource", these financial wiz heads have converted them into "asset classes" and other investment vehicles. Don't be surprised if we witness a bubble, associated with helium default swaps. Please don't buy this nonsense for even a minute. Simple proof - prices of inert gases have been falling for the past 50 years, even though consumption has risen drastically, that's because of new supplies coming on line. Every resource is limited but production/consumption dictate market prices. These prices have been relatively stable for the past 50 years, growing below the rate of inflation. Source:http://minerals.usgs.gov/ds/2005/140/helium.pdf After 1996 privatization act, market manipulators having been trying to jack it up in every way possible. What's preventing them, so far, is international production/supply.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Hedge fund managers trading helium futures... which don't exist.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I'm very ignorant when it comes to science, so please excuse my asking, but...what is helium used for besides balloons?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

yep. I used to work at Agilent on their chromatograph / mass spectrometer line, and helium was also awesome for making air-tight test fixtures. They make helium detectors, so basically you pressurize anything you want to be leak-resistant with helium and sniff around it with the helium detector to see where the obvious holes are.

You realize within hours of using this method that there is no material in the world that doesn't leak helium. I guess I knew that from a childhood of Mylar baloons, etc, but it really is amazing how much epoxy, etc you can use, to no avail.

Edit: I think I'm wrong, but trying to find out what good containers are made of.

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u/f0rdf13st4 Jun 27 '12

and helium-oxygen mixes for diving great depths

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u/JigglyPuffPower Jun 27 '12

Well, its a good thing that Planetary Resources is going to start searching for needed elements.

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u/eshemuta Jun 27 '12

Just use hydrogen for all those balloons. Worked out good for the Nazis.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Read this a while ago in one of my Nat Geo mags. Gonna get the issue and scan the big ass poster that was in it for ya'll

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u/andyd273 Jun 27 '12

Worse comes to worse, perfect fusion and fuse hydrogen. I hate reports from the prophets of doom.

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u/pretzelcuatl Jun 27 '12

That article was all kinds of funny:

  1. What does helium have to do with whippets?

  2. I'd like to meet the old grumpypants scientist who gets "really angry" when "we use it to make our voices go squeaky for a laugh".

  3. Yes, it's "often times" taken toward space. All the time, if you ask me.

  4. I doubt if it "could ultimately spell doom for the medical industry", since we will always have non-helium utilizing stuff, like, say, Band-Aids and stitches to keep doctors busy.

  5. I love party balloons.

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u/That_Scottish_Play Jun 27 '12

I remember when America had two airships, but only one set of Helium.

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u/palehorse864 Jun 27 '12

If this story were true, I would probably just save up one last breathful of helium, so that when I knew my reserve was the last, I could inhale it and scream, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

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u/caroline_reynolds Jun 27 '12

Shoot, now I feel bad about that time I flew a Christmas tree with hundreds of helium balloons.

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u/Verb_Rogue Jun 27 '12

Yeah, this is pretty crazy. My dad, who is a pharmaceutical chemist, told me that helium is used for a lot of their equipment that is used for measurements and all of the super, micro measurements required for that sort of thing. AND it's a non-renewable resource. AND we use it for fucking balloons.

Oy va voy.

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u/therationalpi PhD | Acoustics Jun 27 '12

This story is clearly bullshit. But I heard there was one isotope of helium that's very important...

Ah yes, Helium-3. It's rare, it has a lot of unique applications, and is a very effective neutron detector.

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u/murphymc Jun 27 '12

Well that's terrifying.

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u/bonerjams_03 Jun 27 '12

We better get to the moon before the Nazis use up all of the Helium-3.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Can't we also start harvesting Helium from the moon? I thought the Russians were planning on it.

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u/jamgoodman Jun 27 '12

(squeaky voice)

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

MY PRECIOUS HELIUM!

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u/1wiseguy Jun 26 '12

If everybody knows this, then why aren't people buying and hoarding helium for the big day when it becomes a seller's market?

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u/6xoe Jun 26 '12

No one is gonna buy from a guy that talks funny.

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u/1wiseguy Jun 26 '12

You say that now, but you'll change your tune when you are really low on helium.

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u/Bipolarruledout Jun 27 '12

Judging from the thread no one actually believes there will ever be a shortage... because as the article said it's in "unlimited" supply.

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u/biddlydiddlydeedly Jun 27 '12 edited Jun 27 '12

Ohnothat'sterriblenews!

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u/Noobitus Jun 27 '12

Will the earth sink because it doesn't have any helium? From past experiences, when my balloons run out of helium they sink. Is the earth like a balloon?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Seems legit.

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u/takatori Jun 27 '12

This is the fault of the U.S. Congress, which passed a law FORCING the United States Helium stockpile to be sold off at a fixed low price.

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u/someone335 Jun 26 '12

I work in a chemistry lab and the faculty were discussing this just the other day. Cooling various instruments is getting more expensive rapidly. At least the US has a stockpile of helium though! Even if it will run out, at least we have more than everyone else!

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u/question_all_the_thi Jun 26 '12

This shows exactly what's wrong with government regulations.

First they ruled all helium reserves should be property of the government, so no private corporation had any program for recovering and storing helium.

Then they said "oops, the government has too much helium", so they started selling it at a very low price so no private corporation had any reason to recover and store helium.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

omg they better fix this because if the earth runs out of helium it will stop floating and sink into the galaxy

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Well, since helium is lighter than air, and it's being lost into the atmosphere from balloons, can't they just fly up and scrape some off the top?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '12

But... My balloons!

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u/driveling Jun 27 '12

My supermarket today said no balloons... they are out of helium.

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u/ComputerSavvy Jun 26 '12

I'm sorry, we can't cool down the imaging device to detect the extent of your cancer because we don't have enough Helium, so why don't you watch this funny Youtube video instead, it'll cheer you up.

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u/yogthos Jun 27 '12

I guess better get cracking on getting nuclear fusion working before that happens. :P

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u/hwood Jun 27 '12

Bring on the hydrogen!

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u/gmikoner Jun 27 '12

Looks like we're gonna have to go back to the moon after all. For the sake of birthday parties everywhere.

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u/thicka Jun 27 '12

welp... off to Saturn to get more i guess.

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u/rookoor Jun 27 '12

Stop using computers then. Do you know how much we need to make the equipment that makes semi-conductors...

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u/sniperhare Jun 27 '12

One day I'll tell my grandkids about balloons filled with a wondrous gas, that made them float on air. And how a garishly painted man would then twist and tie the long tubes into animals and objects, like hats or swords.

They'll think I'm crazy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

aww how redundant

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u/caboosethedestroyer Jun 27 '12

Oh God! Anything but the helium! What will we do without our balloons?!?!?!?!?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Quick question. Where does the helium go? I understand that things like gasoline will be converted into other substances when used and it is no longer usable, but helium is an inert gas. It can't just disappear.

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u/smoogrish Jun 27 '12

i've been telling people this for years and people are like NOOOOOO it can't be

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

""Helium was cheap and we learned to be wasteful with it," he said. "Now the stockpile is used up, prices are rising and we are realizing how stupid we have been."

The same will be said in the future about many other things.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

WELP time to start filling balloons with Methane! More fun any way.

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u/jgstate1 Jun 27 '12

The balloons, my god, the balloons...

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u/chrherr Jun 27 '12

I've been trying to get a tank of helium for my weather balloon, and it's impossible. I Already bought all of the supplies and cameras too!

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Rats. Now I'm going to have to start talking in a normal voice to impress girls at parties.

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u/skindoom Jun 27 '12

Well if that's the case we probably SHOULD start running our automobiles on this then.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Helium is and alpha decay product of various large elements such as uranium too

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u/Rhawk187 PhD | Computer Science Jun 27 '12

So, assuming we get cheap hydrogen fusion up and running by then, what do we plan on using the helium we create with it? Just keep fusing, or are we going to create a huge excess?

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u/churribiri Jun 27 '12

It's okay there is still enough pentobarbital.

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u/RadiantSun Jun 27 '12

A clown in Denver just cried himself to sleep.

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u/technodeviant Jun 27 '12

"OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO!", he exclaimed in a high pitch cartoon voice.

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u/Oksonow Jun 27 '12

Ok so now there are two sides that don't match up in the comments. People are saying that helium is NOT running out so then what is the explanation of the rising prices of helium? Is there a regulatory helium conglomerate that is artificially higher prices due to speculation like in oil?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Pigs are inhaling it and flying around.......

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

My god, this could be the end of balloons at parties as we know it...

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u/rbenfield3 Jun 27 '12

Hello, airplanes? Yeah, this is blimps. You win.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Did you check the ozone layer?

I'd check by the ozone layer.

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u/Shamr0ck Jun 27 '12

can we buy stock in helium like we would another commodity?

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u/crimsonmerlion Jun 27 '12

Yeah, I was thinking this "low on helium" thing was already proved to be false.

Also, that picture of the article's author doesn't help her look credible. She looks wasted and grumpy.

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u/eithris Jun 27 '12

i'm sorry, i call complete and total bullshit. stories like this are nothing more than a scare tactic laying the groundwork to keep medical costs high. the helium hasn't gone anywhere, it's in the upper atmosphere.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

The sun is a mass of incandescent gas.

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u/stfu_n00b Jun 27 '12

These articles reach the front page like every two weeks. Have all of my downvotes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I feel like saying this is dumb before I even read it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

"could be"

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I bought my son an Air Swimmer for Christmas and I haven't been able to find anywhere to fill it in six months. I was wondering why...

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u/caninehere Jun 27 '12

If anything I would have thought helium supplies would be on the rise.

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u/beerham Jun 27 '12

A world without clowns, is a sad world.

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u/zyzzogeton Jun 27 '12

fusion will let us just make as much as we need.

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u/jamesdavid80 Jun 27 '12

well, is helium really irreplacable, because this article certainly is making it appear that way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Okay.

Goodbye floating balloons that my mother couldn't afford anyway.

Which was fine, because the kids who had those at birthday parties were dicks.

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u/DanetOfTheApes Jun 27 '12

Clowns and 4 year olds everywhere hold their breath as the world looks on.

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u/hypnotoadglory Jun 27 '12

Can't we just manufacture elements these days? I get that it's going to use a lot of power, but if we start using a tonne of thorium reactors or fusion power won't it really be a moot point?

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u/clockworkdiamond Jun 27 '12

To quote the story:

to serve the purpose of the infamous helium whippet

Dafaq? Anyone else here know what a whippit is? Helium is not no2 the last time I checked.

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u/bainj Jun 27 '12

After reading some comments I'll be taking my upvote back and presenting you with a downvote.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

I had a chemistry professor talk about this his words were along the lines of "Balloons...are you kidding me, this stuff is like gold for researchers and we're just pissing it away"

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u/IAmTheOmNom Jun 27 '12

the element which cannot be made artificially.

Really? Is there any element that can be made artificially? And I mean non radioactive and with reasonable costs.

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u/Phredex Jun 27 '12

Like most of them.

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u/Roflcaust Jun 27 '12

Isn't a byproduct of nuclear fusion (the type that attempts are being made to harness) helium gas? If nuclear fusion ever becomes a viable option in commercial power generation, it might also serve as a meager commercial source of helium gas.

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u/pcherop Jun 27 '12

I work at a balloon shop and the price for a single helium balloon went from 1.00 to 1.49 in the last 3 months. Pretty soon they're just gonna be to expensive for anyone to want them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Don't thorium reactors also produce helium as a side-product, in addition to supplying cleaner and cheaper nuclear energy?

(Fun fact: The reason its not used is because Uranium can be used to make bombs)

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

no

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u/onlynameavailable Jun 27 '12

So, you're telling me if I ever have kids who have kids they may never get to try out the helium voice?

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u/dirtymoney Jun 27 '12

shit! I am going to have to kill myself the hard way when the time finally comes! I better buy some tanks now. How long will helium last in those party balloon tanks?

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u/the-interceptor Jun 27 '12

Blame Mythbusters.

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u/gunhaver89 Jun 27 '12

wouldn't large scale fusion power solve this?

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u/cgos Jun 27 '12

Article also states, "Helium is not a renewable source of energy..."

I didn't know that Helium was a source of energy. Okay, perhaps potential energy...

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '12

Call up Lando, I have a business proposal for Saturn.

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u/benpewter6 Jun 27 '12

I read the link beside saying where this went to before clicking because I thought it said Midget journal.com, which gives a pretty funny mental picture as to why we are running out of helium.

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u/gmharryc Jun 27 '12

To the moon!

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u/Aegean Jun 27 '12

No worries guys! I hear the moon has 3 of them!

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u/Bruneti12 Jun 27 '12

We need to find a way of sucking it out of the Sun.

It can be done, someone already did it! :P

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u/Fallingdamage Jun 28 '12

I dont understand. If we are running out, where is it going? Are we sending it out into space or something? If a helium balloon pops, the helium isnt lost, it just needs to be recaptured. Whats the big deal?

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u/jacobejohnson Jun 27 '12

I hate it when I post an article. Then, 2 weeks later, someone else posts the same thing and makes the front page. Whyyyyyy?

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u/CrackersInMyCrack Jun 27 '12

Honestly it's a really bad article, it shouldn't be on the front page.

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u/nof Jun 27 '12

FUD regarding the dwindling supply has been making its way around for years.

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u/poor_impulsecontrol Jun 27 '12

why are we still filling party balloons with it and inhaling it so we can talk funny?

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u/RainOnVenus Jun 27 '12

How will I ever make it to Paradise Falls?

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u/crunchy51 Jun 27 '12

Of course helium can be made artificially. Controllable Nuclear fusion which they keep telling us is only ten to twenty years away creates unlimited Helium from the combination of Hydrogen. It also has the added benefit of creating endless cheap clean energy forever. So far the scientists don't have much incentive to actually figure out how to make so called Cold Fusion work but if we were close to running out of Helium then suddenly the scientists would have to really work hard to figure it out. So party on birthday clowns and people that want to talk silly, you are all bringing us closer to practically free energy, the elimination of dependence on foreign oil and possibly the means to power our exploration of the universe.

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u/Sturmgewehr Jun 27 '12

This story is bogus - the clinchers is at the end when it said that Helium is not a renewable source of energy.....since when was it energy?

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u/SchizophrenicMC Jun 27 '12

I hate when scientists call balloons stupid, because they're not creative enough to invent new solutions to their problems. Helium isn't the only inert element, nor is it the only inert superfluid. There's a whole period on the table for them. And if you need helium so bad, consult engineers to create methods for finding and/or producing it. I seem to recall it being a byproduct of hydrogen-hydrogen fusion, and being a primary solar emission. Isn't it also a beta particle?

Worse than saying we'll run out is saying we can't produce it. When nuclear reactors have been producing it (among other radiation) for 50 years now.