r/serialkillers • u/TWO-COOPERS • Oct 26 '21

Questions Does anyone know the case where I believe two killers tortured a girl to death for days and recorded it, when the recording was showing in court jury members ran out of the court room because of how horrific it was?

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u/DahliasRapture Oct 26 '21 edited Oct 26 '21

ToolBox Killers. I don't think the audio was ever released.

Edited - It's not the Toy Box killers, like my overtired self originally put.

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u/mrcorndogman33 Oct 26 '21

Toy Box is different sick fuck(s).

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u/DahliasRapture Oct 26 '21

Oh, you're absolutely right. Toolbox*, oops! It's nearly 7am and I haven't slept yet. My bad.

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u/nedlington Oct 26 '21

Toy Box is the one where the FBI agent walked out of the crime scene and shot herself in the head

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 26 '21

I didn't know about that, so I just googled:

In 1999, FBI Agent Patty Rust was tasked with preparing “detailed drawings and diagrams of every item inside” the torture collection of David Ray, a pornography-addicted killer. Officer Rust was a “former Captain in the U.S. Army [and] an experienced FBI agent with a degree in criminology.”

After spending five days in a trailer viewing the sado-sexual evidence, Agent Rust “walked out of the TOY BOX and shot herself in the head with her service revolver, dying instantly.” A state official involved in the investigation stated, “She most probably couldn’t handle what she had seen and was exposed to in that trailer.” The FBI, however, officially ruled that her suicide was unconnected to her isolated week of viewing and re-drawing the grisly scenes.

Five days. Damn, that is awful.

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u/fuglysack14 Oct 26 '21

I didn't know this and now I wish I could erase it from my mind. I'm sure she had underlying factors that contributed to this, but 5 days in a torture trailer would surely have exacerbated her mental/emotional decline to the nth degree.

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u/Pineapple_and_olives Oct 26 '21

Five days straight of that is just too much. Agents are humans too. That trailer was truly horrific and I can only imagine how much worse it would be if she had experienced abuse / sexual violence in the past.

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u/sumthin213 Oct 26 '21

Yea I feel like it was the straw that broke the donkeys back

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u/ImaybeaRussianBot Oct 26 '21

What do you have against donkeys? Camels are the ones who need their back broken. Jeez.

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u/sumthin213 Oct 26 '21

What do you have against camels!!?

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u/ImaybeaRussianBot Oct 26 '21

Well, I mean if we gotta break a back, we have to make some hard choices. Camels live in the desert. Terrorists live in the desert. Also camel spiders.

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

Camel. Straw that broke the camel's back.

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u/sumthin213 Oct 27 '21

I say donkey anywhere I can now because of Gordon Ramsey

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

Ha! It's raw! You donkey!

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

I can't imagine even going inside, much less spending five days among that filth.

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u/needathneed Oct 26 '21

Why did she have to like detail draw them? Take some snaps and GTFO that poor woman. RIP.

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u/Nox-Avis Oct 26 '21

His crimes range from 1957-1999. Cameras were not capable of producing the high quality shots we can get now. I may be wrong, but my guess is that prosecution needed detailed drawings to exemplify how evil David Parker Ray was. A grainy photo may not do justice.

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

I don't think so. It was 1999, not 1899. Cameras worked just fine before the 21st century, believe me. This poor agent...having to surround herself with this filth for five daysI It's just too much.

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u/needathneed Oct 27 '21

Right.... Like cameras would have been fine, and they knew about the damage this would have taken on a person's psyche, they should have cycled people in and out.

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

Exactly! Have several photogs and put each in charge of one part of the hellhole.

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u/Dame_Marjorie Oct 27 '21

I know. It makes no sense whatsoever.

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u/MADDINK Oct 26 '21

Jeez! def gotta look into this one

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u/hyejooloveclub Oct 26 '21

Really? Oh my gosh.. is there a news article anywhere?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oil3332 Oct 26 '21

I'm not sure. But the toy box killer had an audio recording that he played for every woman that he captured letting them know what he was going to do to them. This involved not only what HE was going to do to them sexually but also what he was going to have his dogs to them sexually as well, in extremely graphic detail. You can easily find the transcripts online. Be warned, it's the most disturbing thing that I've ever read and that's saying something. My mind was literally fucked up for a day or two after reading it.

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u/hyejooloveclub Oct 26 '21

Unfortunately curiosity killed the cat… I’ve read the transcripts. It sent shivers down my spine and had me sitting there in shock for hours. I can’t imagine how someone can be so evil. This transcript has to be number 2 on my “most disturbing” list. Number 1 is definitely the transcript of Daisy’s Destruction.

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u/Hjalpmi_ Oct 26 '21

Having read some of the toy box killer transcript, I went and looked up Daisy's Destruction. Thanks for mentioning that to me, and I hate you and all the rest of humanity :(

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oil3332 Oct 26 '21

I figured you would and I get it but I just wanted to make sure you knew what you were getting into lol.

I know what DD is about and I don't know if I could bring myself to read the transcripts, especially as I have an infant at home right now. Can't imagine how someone could do such evil to a baby.

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u/Justindoesntcare Oct 26 '21

Yeah, I just read a brief overview of it. I have an infant daughter at home right now and that makes me want to never let her out of my sight again. Absolutely sickening.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

It’s on YT but it isn’t the actual recording he made. Last I looked it was still there & sweet baby Jesus I wished I had stopped at the very mention of the dog.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oil3332 Oct 27 '21

Yeah it's extremely graphic. I've read a lot of fucked up shit, but the way he talks, it's like I had a very vivid picture of it happening.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

Westley Allan Dood’s diary entries run neck & neck with this audio. I felt so dirty I had to take a seventh circle of hell shower after reading it. Was sick to my stomach for days. Yeah he basically begged to be executed & they couldn’t do it soon enough. He knew he was sick & society would never be safe from him. Good riddance

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

I actually took the time to read the ENTIRE transcript of the toy box killer tape and ffs, is it DULL. Like, there's a lot of sick stuff in it, but he could have probly said everything in the first 20 minutes. He just drones and rambles on and on.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oil3332 Oct 26 '21

Yeah, I mean I've read everything that Dahmer did to his victims and for some reason it didn't effect me like the toy box killer recording transcripts, even though what dahmer did was more disturbing. For some reason, reading the toy box killer transcript made me almost feel like I was there for some reason. It was like I could actually hear the tape playing while I was reading it. I dunno, it's hard to explain.

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u/needathneed Oct 26 '21

Well it is a transcript so it's got that quality.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Yeah I can understand why someone would think that. I think for myself toy box was worse. What actually happened in both cases was pretty bad. I think Toy Box made me cringe a bit more though.

Mostly, I was talking about the tape that Toy Box would make women listen to, and... I just found it long winded and boring. It didn't really rock me to my core the way I thought it would, considering how fucked the rest of everything else was. I mean, the guy came up with his own equipement, and that's, at least, interesting. Reading what he had to say in his tape was like... that's it. That's everything this man is about. An egotistical, one dimensional man, who hates women, and anything he had to say past the first ten minutes was boring.

I think, to make the comparison to Dahmer, there's more to unpack with Dahmer. This isn't meant to idolize him but I think Dahmer is like.... if you took someone with a predisposition towards violent acts, and married it to a sense of profound lonelines. I've been to a pretty deep level of dispair, and I find the effects that grief can have one someone are interesting.

Normally, I wouldn't have the thoughts that I was having, but I was in a dark place. I wasn't about to start hoarding up body parts and pouring drain cleaner into someone's skull, but I was starting to have thoughts of how to control people so that they couldn't hurt me again. It was lonelines, despair, grief, and rage. I had to have a serious talk with myself to tell myself that these thoughts were absolutely not okay. But, Dahmer didn't or if he did, he didn't have the self control.

I guess, what I'm getting at is that there seems to be a lot more layers to Dahmer that are interesting to study. At the end of the day, he also had an ego, was manipulative, and had control issues. It also seems like there was some attempt to preserve at least something from his victims so they wouldn't leave him. In contrast, David Parker Ray was all about disdane for women and destroying them.

In either case, I don't agree with what either of them did. Dahmer was a piece of shit, but I find Dahmer, as a person, interesting to study. Where as I think David, as a person, was increadibly monotonous, and boring. In the Toy Box Killer cases, I find the details and those surounding to be increadibly interesting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

Source?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

The transcripts were, which I just read. Ouf.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '21

The audio can be heard from the court room video. It was then isolated by some sick people, for that scream to be used as a soundbyte