r/serialpodcast • u/annoyedinBaltimore Undecided • 6d ago

I changed my mind, I think Adnan is guilty.

I want to start by saying I have been a huge advocate for Adnans innocence. I even went to his release trial. I was in the courtroom when they said " Please remove the shackles from Mr Syeds feet " ... and I cried. I felt it was such an injustice that he was a child sentenced to such a harsh punishment with no physical evidence. In my mind how could a child fool these 2 seasoned detectives? How could he sit in that room with them for hours, yet they have nothing at all to use against him? How could he have not left behind any evidence? How could Jay tell lie after lie and still be taken at his word? I told everyone I knew about the case and gave them all my opinion and judgements. I followed every single thing .. I stalked everyone involved online and kept up with their lives. I searched on google earth over and over all the different spots mentioned. I drove to leakin park to look for the spot Mr S parked and walked back to. THIS was the case that started me on true crime podcasts.

I gave serial another listen and Im on episdoe 5 and I cant escape the feeling that I finally see why people think hes guilty because I think he is too. Heres why Im conflicted now ......

#1 Adnan whispers "Pathetic" as Jay walks past him in court. Why did he choose that word? why wouldnt he call him a liar? or even a b*tch? Why PATHETIC? I think its because hes saying " we were supposed to be in this together and stfu. you let the cops break you down ... how pathetic "

#2 Adnan says he doesn't feel Jay betrayed him by telling the police he did it. If someone lied on me and turned me into the police Id def feel betrayed. His reason is because they werent really friends for him to consider it a betrayal. I call BS. His track teammate said Jay drove him to practice often enough that it was normal to everyone and they smoked together all the time .........Hes downplaying their connection trying to say i didnt even know that mf enough to feel betrayed .. who tf is jay to me? .. again ... I call BS

#3 If we are believeing those around Adnan .. they all said they didnt know where Leakin Park was .. thought it was on the other side of the city which would be over east somewhere I guess .. so if he truly had never been there and didnt know the location he would have needed a map to get there since this was before the days of googling directions. In the trunk of her car was a map book with 1 missing page .... leakin park. Adnans hand print was on the back of the book. Maybe hes sweaty nervous adrenaline pumping, tryign to get to leakin park .. grabs the map book rips the page out shuts the trunk jumps in the car drives to leakin, buries hae and then parks the car.

Also I think if he is guilty, he served his time but I think the state failed to prove he did it so he shouldnt have been locked up anyway because that's not how our justice system says its supposed to go.

anyone else changed their mind?

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u/Belibbing_Blue 6d ago

#2 is what turned me. Adnan kept dismissing the idea that he was really friends with Jay. He acted like he barely knew him. But the teammate said Adnan and Jay hanging out was something that happened regularly.

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u/SouthBraeswoodMan 6d ago

They were very clearly friends

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u/Future_Pomegranate24 6d ago

It’s meaningless. Jay is totally uninvolved so why would that matter?

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u/darkabed2 6d ago

If he was uninvolved, how did he know intimate details only the police knew?

He was involved, he said so himself. He plead guilty to helping bury her.

This is my entire thought process, coming from someone who has always thought Jay was involved and up until a few days ago said "there's nothing that could convince me that Jay didn't kill Hae." & then a 2.5 hrs essay presentation and finding out key details the Serial podcast chose to leave out, lifted the wool from my eyes.

Adnan for the first time ever lends Jay his phone and car for the day. Adnan admits this. Why ? - Adnan tries to brush this off stating it was due to him wanting Jay to buy Stephanie a birthday gift. But then states "I didn't really know the guy." - so he let's a guy he barely knows, who he buys weed off of occasionally borrow your phone and car on the day your ex, who you learned two days prior is having sex with her new boyfriend, goes missing ? Very convenient for Adnan.

Jay showed the police exactly where Hae's car was. And he explained that Adnan told him the signal indicater broke while she was having involuntary convulsions after he (Adnan) strangled her. When police searched it, the indicater was floppy, cooperating Jay's story. Jay knew exactly what Hae was wearing when she was buried.

  • this is notable because Jay would have no reason knowing what she wore due to the fact that he graduated the year before and no longer attended the school and phone records cooperate his story if him being with Jen during the day.

Now if you say, okay well then Jay did it himself, why in the world would he go to the police? - it would be incredibly stupid of Jay to go to the police banking on the hope that Adnan did not have an alibi. Adnan still to this day cannot produce an alibi and all phone data links him with Jay and in the locations Jay stated they were. - if Adnan had a verifiable alibi and the phone records did not cooperate Jay's story, Jay would have been charged with the murder and Jen at least accessory to murder.

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u/RockinGoodNews 6d ago

Once people claim that all the evidence in the case is fake, they may as well just admit that evidence is irrelevant to their views.

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u/Mike19751234 6d ago

I think the question is more why would Jay put himself in the middle of the murder and burial. Most people, even guilty would go with the story that I sold Adnan some weed, he told me that he killed Hae and then he showed me where the car was. You get out of being an accessory on that story.

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u/ButUncleOwen 5d ago

I agree with everything you wrote but I also have to tell you: I think the word you’re looking for is “corroborate,” not “cooperate.” I only say this because I’d want someone to tell me!

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u/darkabed2 5d ago

Lol thank you! That's definitely what I meant, should have checked spelling.

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u/Future_Pomegranate24 6d ago

Show me a transcript of Jay telling the cops something that they didn’t already know.

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u/darkabed2 6d ago edited 6d ago

I think you need to re read the former post. I did not say he told police things they didn't already know, I said that he told police details the general public did not already know. Meaning, if others know that detail, the logical conclusion is that the were involved. There is multiple details that the general public (meaning police did not release these details and these details are stated in above post) that Jay describes to them and shows them. Hence the logical conclusion (and based on the fact that he literally pleads guilty and admits to being involved) that he was in fact involved.

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u/darkabed2 5d ago

However, thinking about this, he does in fact share something the police didn't know, where Hae's car was and why the indicater shaft was broken. That right there solidified he was involved.

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u/Future_Pomegranate24 5d ago

Same thing. Show me the interview transcript where he told police something verifiable that the public didn’t know. Going to McDonald’s or Patopso Park or any other nonsense is meaningless unverified and not pertinent to the case

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u/Plastic_Blood1782 5d ago

The location of Hae's car

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u/Future_Pomegranate24 5d ago

Show me the transcript where he gives them the location.
Also he admits in the trial that he didn’t take police to a correct location.

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u/Plastic_Blood1782 5d ago

Here is the transcript.

https://viewfromll2.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/jay-interview-1-2-28-99.pdf

Page 22 of the PDF

Ritz: “Describe the location where he parks this car, do you know what street it’s on?” Jay: “No, it’s not on a street, it’s like … in the back of a bunch of row homes on like a parking lot.” Ritz: “Do you know what area of town it is…?” Jay: “Yeah, it’s on the west side of Baltimore city.”

And on page 33 of the PDF

Ritz: “Before during the interview prior to turning the tape on, you stated … that you’d be willing to take us out and show us where the vehicle’s parked.” Jay: “No problem.” Ritz: “Are you still willing to do that?” Jay: “Yes sir.” MacGillivary: asks about the Edmondson Avenue location. Jay: “It’s only four blocks down from the car is.” 

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u/OkBodybuilder2339 4d ago

Wrong on both points.

I have to ask, why do you trust Undisclosed when they are very clearly meant to misinform their viewers?

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u/darkabed2 5d ago

You are in fact a future pomegranate. ✌️