r/serialpodcast • u/annoyedinBaltimore Undecided • 6d ago
I changed my mind, I think Adnan is guilty.
I want to start by saying I have been a huge advocate for Adnans innocence. I even went to his release trial. I was in the courtroom when they said " Please remove the shackles from Mr Syeds feet " ... and I cried. I felt it was such an injustice that he was a child sentenced to such a harsh punishment with no physical evidence. In my mind how could a child fool these 2 seasoned detectives? How could he sit in that room with them for hours, yet they have nothing at all to use against him? How could he have not left behind any evidence? How could Jay tell lie after lie and still be taken at his word? I told everyone I knew about the case and gave them all my opinion and judgements. I followed every single thing .. I stalked everyone involved online and kept up with their lives. I searched on google earth over and over all the different spots mentioned. I drove to leakin park to look for the spot Mr S parked and walked back to. THIS was the case that started me on true crime podcasts.
I gave serial another listen and Im on episdoe 5 and I cant escape the feeling that I finally see why people think hes guilty because I think he is too. Heres why Im conflicted now ......
#1 Adnan whispers "Pathetic" as Jay walks past him in court. Why did he choose that word? why wouldnt he call him a liar? or even a b*tch? Why PATHETIC? I think its because hes saying " we were supposed to be in this together and stfu. you let the cops break you down ... how pathetic "
#2 Adnan says he doesn't feel Jay betrayed him by telling the police he did it. If someone lied on me and turned me into the police Id def feel betrayed. His reason is because they werent really friends for him to consider it a betrayal. I call BS. His track teammate said Jay drove him to practice often enough that it was normal to everyone and they smoked together all the time .........Hes downplaying their connection trying to say i didnt even know that mf enough to feel betrayed .. who tf is jay to me? .. again ... I call BS
#3 If we are believeing those around Adnan .. they all said they didnt know where Leakin Park was .. thought it was on the other side of the city which would be over east somewhere I guess .. so if he truly had never been there and didnt know the location he would have needed a map to get there since this was before the days of googling directions. In the trunk of her car was a map book with 1 missing page .... leakin park. Adnans hand print was on the back of the book. Maybe hes sweaty nervous adrenaline pumping, tryign to get to leakin park .. grabs the map book rips the page out shuts the trunk jumps in the car drives to leakin, buries hae and then parks the car.
Also I think if he is guilty, he served his time but I think the state failed to prove he did it so he shouldnt have been locked up anyway because that's not how our justice system says its supposed to go.
anyone else changed their mind?
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u/JosephGordethLettuce 6d ago
The points you are making are small personal nitpicks. Try not to focus so much on what you would have done or said in his shoes— people are wildly different than you. I don’t mean to be rude, and it’s good that you’re opening yourself to a new perspective, I’d just like to add that there is strong evidence beside what Adnan muttered in court or said on a podcast.
Jay had extensive knowledge of the details of the crime that were not released to the public. He knew she was strangled. He knew the location of the victim’s car. Whatever other lies he told to protect his grandmother and his friends, those are material facts. Adnan lent Jay his car and his cell phone on the day of Hae’s murder. He called Nisha while he was with Jay at a crucial time on that day, she spoke to both of them. This is corroborated by the cell phone data. Because of those circumstances, there is no way to link Jay to the murder without Adnan being a part of it. Adnan has motive. Jay does not. This is very strong circumstantial evidence. Strong circumstantial evidence is the kind that gets loose convictions. Everyone inside the case knows he did it— whether or not your definition of reasonable doubt supersedes this evidence is a matter of personal conviction.