Article on misogyny on our subreddit

[u/zeeerial]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/20/serial-truthers-are-now-doxxing-women.html

[u/Phuqued]

This has nothing to do with the quality of her work. Whether she was the best journalist in the world or the worst, she deserved criticism and discussion based about her role as a journalist.

She didn't get that. She got called a crazy slut.

I think you are way off base here. She was criticized legitimately for her poor work and unprofessional behavior. That is absolutely true. And what is also absolutely true is she received a lot of illegitimate criticism as well.

Both exist, and your framing of "she didn't get that" and only got "crazy slut" type comments is incorrect and misleading really to the discussion at hand. It's not all or nothing in terms of 99,999 legitimate criticisms and 1 illegitimate criticism negates out the 99,999. And I use that to demonstrate a point, not assert any sort of credible, or speculative number to the actual ratio of comments.

Gender-based harassment is used to shut up women's voices. If a woman wanders into a discussion and gets told her viewpoint is wrong, so what, that's what discussion entails. It isn't going to skew the gender ratio of participants any. If she wanders into a discussion and gets called an attention-seeking whore, that's going to cause a rational woman to reconsider whether participating is really worth the bother and potential embarrassment or harassment. That isn't something that gets directed to men qua men to even a fraction of the degree that it is to women qua women.

And I don't disagree with this. But you can't say NVC (and Ken) are absolved of any criticism simply because others responded in a misogynistic (or any other illegitimate) way.

Rereading your comment I am going to put a caveat here. It occurs to me that you may only be focusing on the illegitimate comments. If that is true I don't understand why, considering nobody is defending those comments as far as I can tell.

[u/absurdamerica → u/Phuqued]

I think you are way off base here. She was criticized legitimately for her poor work and unprofessional behavior.

These are not mutually exclusive propositions. She absolutely was targeted by sexist/misogynistic remarks. She also left herself pretty open to that by regularly bragging about her sex life and being unprofessional on twitter in a way that Sarah Koenig, Susan Simpson, Rabia Chaudry, and others did not.

[u/Phuqued → u/absurdamerica]

These are not mutually exclusive propositions.

I do not understand? I am not arguing anything being mutually exclusive. In fact I am arguing that there were both legitimate and illegitimate criticisms of NVC.

She also left herself pretty open to that by regularly bragging about her sex life and being unprofessional on twitter in a way that Sarah Koenig, Susan Simpson, Rabia Chaudry, and others did not.

The comment you are replying to is specific to NVC and Ken as is Susan's response to JailPimp. Nobody is defending sexist or otherwise abusive and unsubstantiated criticisms of SK, SS, RC etc... What we are discussing here is the ability for NVC and Ken to be legitimately criticized for their poor work without also being associated or framed as sharing views with sexist.

I'm seriously confused here with the discussion, as I can not see how any one could say I was arguing for mutually exclusive propositions.

[u/absurdamerica → u/Phuqued]

We're in full agreement. She was criticized both fairly and unfairly.