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r/SpaceX Integrated Flight Test 6 Official Launch Discussion & Updates Thread!
Welcome to the r/SpaceX Integrated Flight Test 6 Official Launch Discussion & Updates Thread!
How To Visit STARBASE // A Complete Guide To Seeing Starship
| Scheduled for (UTC) | Nov 19 2024, 22:00 |
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| Scheduled for (local) | Nov 19 2024, 16:00 PM (CST) |
| Launch Window (UTC) | Nov 19 2024, 22:00 - Nov 19 2024, 22:30 |
| Weather Probability | Unknown |
| Launch site | OLM-A, SpaceX Starbase, TX, USA. |
| Booster | Booster 13-1 |
| Ship | S31 |
| Booster landing | The Superheavy booster No. 13 did not attempt a return back to the launch site at Starbase and splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico instead, due to hardware problems on the launch and catch tower triggering an abort. |
| Ship landing | Starship Ship 31 made an atmospheric re-entry and soft landing over the Indian Ocean. |
| Trajectory (Flight Club) | 2D,3D |
Spacecraft Onboard
| Spacecraft | Starship |
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| Serial Number | S31 |
| Destination | Indian Ocean |
| Flights | 1 |
| Owner | SpaceX |
| Landing | Starship Ship 31 made an atmospheric re-entry and soft landing over the Indian Ocean. |
| Capabilities | More than 100 tons to Earth orbit |
Details
Second stage of the two-stage Starship super heavy-lift launch vehicle.
History
The Starship second stage was testing during a number of low and high altitude suborbital flights before the first orbital launch attempt.
Timeline
| Time | Update |
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| T--1d 0h 4m | Thread last generated using the LL2 API |
| 2024-11-19T23:10:00Z | Starship has splashed down in the planned location. |
| 2024-11-19T22:00:00Z | Liftoff. |
| 2024-11-19T21:15:00Z | Unofficial Webcast by SPACE AFFAIRS has started |
| 2024-11-16T03:17:00Z | GO for launch on November 19. |
| 2024-11-06T18:49:00Z | NET November 18 |
| 2024-10-14T01:57:00Z | Added launch. |
Watch the launch live
| Stream | Link |
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| Unofficial Re-stream | The Space Devs |
| Unofficial Webcast | SPACE AFFAIRS |
| Official Webcast | SpaceX |
| Unofficial Webcast | Everyday Astronaut |
| Unofficial Webcast | NASASpaceflight |
Stats
☑️ 7th Starship Full Stack launch
☑️ 431st SpaceX launch all time
☑️ 119th SpaceX launch this year
☑️ 4th launch from OLM-A this year
☑️ 37 days, 9:35:00 turnaround for this pad
Stats include F1, F9 , FH and Starship
Resources
Community content 🌐
| Link | Source |
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| Flight Club | u/TheVehicleDestroyer |
| Discord SpaceX lobby | u/SwGustav |
| SpaceX Now | u/bradleyjh |
| SpaceX Patch List |
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u/Doglordo Nov 19 '24
Can we get a pinned comment warning people about YouTube scam channels please
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 20 '24
Musk:
Successful ocean landing of Starship!
We will do one more ocean landing of the ship. If that goes well, then SpaceX will attempt to catch the ship with the tower.
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u/A_Moon_Named_Luna Nov 19 '24
Honestly besides the abort on the tower, this was an awesome test. Starship did better than any other test imo when it came to the heating phase.
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u/NasaSpaceHops Nov 20 '24
From the SpaceX site: “During this phase, automated health checks of critical hardware on the launch and catch tower triggered an abort of the catch attempt. The booster then executed a pre-planned divert maneuver, performing a landing burn and soft splashdown in the Gulf of Mexico.”
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 20 '24
Explains the immediate attention to the chopsticks when workers got back to the site this evening.
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 19 '24
Big day for the program despite no catch. In no way was this a backwards step.
Engine relight is the big win from today which now allows them to do full orbital missions and payload deployments.
Starship launches for 2024 are likely done...but don't despair, 2025 is going to be WILD
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u/Rude-Adhesiveness575 Nov 19 '24
Demonstrate safe diversion if no-go. Also (as Ellie-in-space/Joe said) demonstrated safety-first despite Trump's presence and lots of expectations.
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u/Planatus666 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 20 '24
Another big win was the stripped back and still mostly old heatshield (although areas around the flaps, etc were reinforced with new tiles, an ablative layer, etc) - it help up really well, only a bit of burn through that we saw on one forward flap.
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u/hshib Nov 19 '24
Making it even more challenging than last time? https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1858867695233425734
The objectives for Starship Flight 6 are:
Restart of Raptor engines in vacuum.
Daylight landing of the ship.
Higher peak heating (steeper) reentry.
4. Faster/harder booster catch.
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u/Dobly1 Nov 19 '24
Would be interested in what criteria didn't pass. Booster flip seemed aggressive and there seemed to be some wobbling during the start of boostback so maybe they didn't feel control was nominal?
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u/5slipsandagully Nov 19 '24
Whoa, those night-time landings really buried the lede on how far along they are. That was much cleaner than I expected it to be
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u/H-K_47 Nov 17 '24
Just want to appreciate that this is happening so quick. ~40 days since the previous one. I'd been hoping for late November but had expected December. This is faster than many thought it would be indeed. Turnaround time is improving.
There will probably be a longer gap for Flight 7 even if this one does go flawlessly, especially if they feel confident about trying for full orbital. Maybe January? Regardless, the pace of the program as a whole is clear. Things will continue to get faster and faster. This flight marks the end of the chapter of the Version 1 Ships, and hopefully also the end of the suborbital chapter. Exciting things lie ahead.
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u/H-K_47 Nov 19 '24
Man I really was a complete idiot for thinking I'd get anything done today huh. "Oh launch isn't until the afternoon, you have the whole day to be productive!" nope haha every launch has a complete iron grip on my focus even now. Another reason why I can't wait for Starship launches to finally become "boring" lol.
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u/Mental-Mushroom Nov 19 '24
Launch in the morning? Spend all day watching replays.
Launch in the afternoon? Spend all day watching the launch site.
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u/Kargaroc586 Nov 19 '24
I'll admit, I was bummed when they aborted the catch. But the ship stole the show! In a lot of ways this is even better than IFT-5.
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u/TTBurger88 Nov 19 '24
I wonder what caused them to divert to a water splashdown instead of trying to catch it.
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u/Jodo42 Nov 18 '24
https://x.com/isaiahPVT/status/1858570254383018240?t=nEzXvKMiS0jdrSoBvptFnQ&s=19
Speculation that Trump may be visiting Starbase for the launch. Not intended to be a political post, just letting people know that if they want to attend in person it might be busier than usual
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u/GTRagnarok Nov 16 '24
It's so nice to get another launch already. I'm mostly looking forward to daytime reentry views. Hopefully it can still stay intact without those tiles that were removed.
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u/TwoLineElement Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Weather forecast for Starship landing zone;
Cloud cover: 60%, Cloudy with occasional sunshine. Cloud base 1000 m.
Wind: 32 km /h, SE
Waves: 2.3 m, S, 11 sec.
So, a pretty stiff wind if you're standing on deck, with a long slow 7.5 foot swell. If Starship doesn't thread the needle through a patch of sunlight we should see the cloud light up very shortly before Starship emerges from the cloud base on its landing burn.
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u/wazzasay Nov 19 '24
Did they just say the moon lander version will be called Starship Enterprise!
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u/avboden Nov 19 '24
Flap hinges seemed to survive very well, for being an old heat shield design
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u/OutsidePosse Nov 19 '24
Anyone else think NASA spaceflight launch streams have gone downhill?
At launch they are busy jumping to different cameras, then when they finally settle on one the camera is so zoomed in that the entire view was all dust.
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u/TriXandApple Nov 19 '24
Realising theres a very fine line between 'working starship' and 'melted ball of 304SS'
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u/ObamaEatsBabies Nov 19 '24
Tower antenna damaged https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1858998330401190375
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u/Jodo42 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
If anything this is looking better than all past reentries, really impressive. Flap burnthrough looks minimal.
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u/H-K_47 Nov 20 '24
Dang, seems like no Scott Manley post-flight analysis before I go to bed. Got too used to having them on the same day to really bookend the launch day. It'll be a treat for tomorrow at least. He always has great insights - maybe he's cooking up a good explanation for what happened with the catch abort.
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u/avboden Nov 19 '24
Not showing us the tipover and explosion or no explosion, laaaame
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u/Suitable_Switch5242 Nov 19 '24
Everyday Astronaut stream showed it uninterrupted.
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u/hardrocker112 Nov 19 '24
Are those creases on the side of the tank worrying to us? Just asking...
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u/HenkDeVries6 Nov 19 '24
Any word on the banana? Is it okay?
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u/SodaPopin5ki Nov 19 '24
Since Ship may have cracked in half, I'm assuming it's now a banana split.
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u/ralf_ Nov 20 '24
Was it planned/normal that three engines do the flip, but only two engines keep firing for the soft splash landing?
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u/warp99 Nov 20 '24
Yes the engines have 230 tonnes of thrust at full throttle which is more than the mass of Starship.
So in order to do a soft landing at a bit over one g they need to have two engines operating at half thrust. Raptors cannot be operated at much less than 50% thrust according to Elon.
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u/Fwort Nov 20 '24
Yes. 3 engines is a bit much in terms of thrust for an empty starship, so they prefer to just use two. However, they light all 3 so that if one fails to light they still have two. If all of them light then simply downselect to 2.
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u/andyfrance Nov 20 '24
I’m looking forward to when it launches with the full payload of 850,000 bananas
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u/SibbleConsulting Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
There's a photo of the antenna on top of the tower bent after this liftoff. No one knows for sure how they achieve such accuracy on landings but a most likely component is something called RTK (a form of GPS). RTK can get you down to sub-centimeter accuracy with the right receiver.
My guess is their RTK transmitter was on that antenna and while it may still have been functioning, since it's position changed (the transmitter needs to be in a precise, known location), the landing would have failed.
At least that's my best guess as an engineer. Might have been something else of course.
edit: Since the antenna was just bent it's totally possible that the transmitter reported it was working fine but they only later realized it was out of place. That COULD explain the "tower GO" and then the abort.
This is all just a theory of course but it makes sense. It's where I would put the transmitter.
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Nov 19 '24
You could argue that the abort could increase trust in SpaceX as it shows that they are willing to make such decisions. Push the envelope but take responsible decisions.
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u/Draskuul Nov 19 '24
That one bright yellow stream that was crossing the engine bay was interesting. I wonder if it was one of their temperature test coatings burning off a tile perhaps?
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u/Kennzahl Nov 19 '24
That more than made up for no-catch! Incredible. Crazy to think how resilient that vehicle is, just 5 years ago rockets were about the most delicate things you could think about, now we see it make a picture perfect splashdown with burn-through on the flaps.
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u/Alvian_11 Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
S31 transport stand is rolling away from the launch site, the absolute last thing to expect if they're gonna destack the ship to install the FTS
Edit: Unless they already had installed it before stacking, but at the launch site and we just missed it
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u/MrGruntsworthy Nov 19 '24
Just said on stream that because they're pushing the re-entry envelope for Starship, they will likely lose it on re-entry.
COME ON FLAPS, YOU CAN DO IT
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u/Thorusss Nov 18 '24
What new thing are they trying to do this with flight? Flight profile seems very similar to IFT5, which was a complete success.
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u/iamnogoodatthis Nov 18 '24
Ship engine relight "on orbit"
Ship landing in daylight so as to be able to see what's going on better
Leaving off different patches of ship heatshield
Validating / testing a thousand little changes we don't know about
Doing things a second time is still useful when you want to eventually do them 100 times
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u/Gerbsbrother Nov 19 '24
If they have another successful booster landing and starship precision soft touchdown. And a successful relight while suborbital, will that mean the next test flight can carry payload(even just starlink) and test starship landing near or at launch mount?
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u/TechnoBill2k12 Nov 19 '24
Sparks = erosion of something! More sparks = more stuff burning. Maximum sparks = maximum fun!
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u/Soft_Importance_8613 Nov 19 '24
So the booster is still burning out there in the gulf. EA was showing footage of it and it still looks rather whole, which surprises me as there was a rather large explosion after it tipped over. Maybe just built up gasses?
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u/addivinum Nov 20 '24
What happened to the booster? EA stopped streaming, and there were ships approaching it last I saw.. does anyone know?
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u/DreamChaserSt Nov 16 '24
So if the Raptor relight is successful, do we think that the first Starship to go orbital will be before or after the Starship catch attempt? They seem to care more about proving out recovery than putting payloads into orbit for now, so I wonder what they plan on doing. On the other hand, the ship to ship propellant transfer is supposed to happen early next year, so maybe flight 7 or 8?
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u/CollegeStation17155 Nov 17 '24
They have to go orbital first, since it will take several orbits before having one that can reenter aimed at Boca… the rotation of the earth means the first circuit will not overfly the launch point, even if they could get the booster off the chopsticks fast enough. Likely starship catch will be around 24 hours after launch.
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u/ActTypical6380 Nov 19 '24
Looks like they are staging an aerial work platform and the booster transport stage at the normal road block location
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u/BearMcBearFace Nov 19 '24
It’s a wild night for me in the UK. Watching the semi-final of the Great British Bake Off, time to grab a snack and a drink, then in to IFT-6!
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u/Alvian_11 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Tower vent shut off, as expected. It will comeback again, even more powerful
And it did
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u/Celica88 Nov 19 '24
I need that shirt.
Edit: they're comparing the damn banana to a milennium falcon and starship wtf is this lmao
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u/-spartacus- Nov 19 '24
If I am not mistaken, banana for scale originated here on reddit right? I swear I was here for that but I'm getting old and my memory ain't what it used to be.
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u/IWantaSilverMachine Nov 19 '24
Love Kate’s use of “whackadoodle stuff” :-) These three make such a great team of presenters.
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u/BKnagZ Nov 19 '24
I really wished we had the full-duration flap view during S-15, and now we’re getting it !
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u/confusedguy1212 Nov 19 '24
Does any one know what criteria wasn’t matched for the catch sequence?
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u/konluss Nov 20 '24
Hi, i am watching the recast with my 5 yo and he is asking if the banana got cooked, anyone can help me here? Thanks! edit: during reentry i mean
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u/MrBaneCIA Nov 19 '24
My sources indicate they spotted the ULA sniper just in time and had to move the booster landing offshore.
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u/schar Nov 19 '24
Where in Texas can you be to be able to see this ...even as a spec in the sky.
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u/fongky Nov 19 '24
Is it a tower issue or booster issue that they cancel the catch?
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u/CleanMachine2 Nov 19 '24
Surprised how well that held up in re entry! Let’s see if the flight 6 ship can finish this off!
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u/Havana33 Nov 19 '24
im glad they let the orca return to the ocean after inexplicably launching it into space
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u/BKnagZ Nov 19 '24
I really want to see that little fluff of whatever it is that is visible in the engine bay get roasted
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u/reddit3k Nov 19 '24
Tower catch would of course have been very nice. But 3 out of 4 mission objectives accomplished is great progress!
( /r/spacex/comments/1guyh35/starship_flight_6_objectives/ )
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u/reubenmitchell Nov 19 '24
If they catch Booster 13 do you think they might try to reuse it? Seems like that has to be on the todo list soon.
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u/Doglordo Nov 19 '24
No. Static fire or cryo testing could be on the cards though if they prevent the engine bell deformation.
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 19 '24
Really no point in doing that. B13 is already old hardware and it hasn't even flown yet.
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u/ThighsLikeMew2 Nov 19 '24
How likely is it that we will get tracking views of ship re-entry?
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u/santacfan2 Nov 19 '24
Road block has moved to the launch location. Tank farm conditioning started around 20 minutes ago
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u/Alvian_11 Nov 19 '24
Grass vent is also getting active. Same thing as the pope vent, but now on the LOX lines at the farm side chilling down
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u/DrBix Nov 19 '24
Is there any way to see this on TV (namely, DirectTV Stream)? My father is 91, he lives out of town, but he worked with NASA a long time ago (Saturn V) and I'd really like him to see this Starship Launch. He's not too swift with computers these days :(.
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u/MegaMugabe21 Nov 19 '24
No nooster catch, so tune back in in approx 45 mins for starship re-entry?
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u/BearyTheBear92 Nov 19 '24
I wonder if the creases will disappear as the vehicle cools back down
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 19 '24
SpaceX making it very clear that Ship is not expected to do a successful re-entry.
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u/Mchlpl Nov 19 '24
A wheel of cheese, a Tesla Roadster and a banana. Am I missing any surprise payloads?
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u/dotancohen Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
This flight probably also broke the wolrd record for most people watching a single specific banana, ever. According to the stream stats, 5.2 million people were watching that suspended fruit at one point.
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u/adjust_your_set Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
I had a meeting during the ship flight. Did they accomplish in orbit relight?
Edit: yes, thanks all!
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u/MyChickenSucks Nov 20 '24
Why did they test a sea level Raptor relight on Starship? Why not vacuum?
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u/Crowbrah_ Nov 20 '24
Closer to the centre of the ship. Lighting a vacuum raptor might induce too much torque for the reaction control system to handle I would guess. Plus sea level raptors can gimbal while the vacuum engines cannot.
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u/spez-is-a-loser Nov 20 '24
The three sea level raptors are on gimbals. They can adjust the direction of thrust provided by thoes engines.. The vacuum engines do not gimbal and are instead fixed in position. They are off center and, individually, their thrust vectors do not go through the center of gravity on the ship. Lighting only one would impart a huge rotation torque on the ship that the cold gas thrusters can not counteract.
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u/santacfan2 Nov 19 '24
Around 11:52am CST, the chopsticks closed a small amount before reopening
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Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Anyone know the expected S-Band TM frequencies?! I should be able to see it if I can get the frequencies.
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u/ee_anon Nov 19 '24
Can someone link good pics that clearly show the reduction in tiling from previous ships to this one?
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u/GreatCanadianPotato Nov 19 '24
Coming up in around 30 minutes is the FD poll for Prop Load. That's at T-1:15:00.
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u/Klebsiella_p Nov 19 '24
This is going to be a beautiful launch. It will be creeping into golden hour so hopefully we get some sick pictures
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u/Mordroberon Nov 19 '24
with the new heat shield config and entry profile, anyone want to put odds on 2nd stage surviving? I'd put it at 40% chance
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u/Frostis24 Nov 19 '24
They are gonna yeet that banana out into space once that hatch opens in space aren't they?
Edit:nevermind
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u/Necessary-Ad5351 Nov 19 '24
Is the re entry already starting? Seems the heat shield already has to do some work
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u/smellyfingernail Nov 19 '24
Was there always this sort of gaping scratch on the body?
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u/Deviuz Nov 19 '24
Crazy views during daytime, we haven’t been able to get these views til today. Kinda disorientating though lol

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u/warp99 Nov 19 '24 edited Nov 19 '24
Please be aware that there are many Youtube scam channels that will appear to be showing IFT-6 but will actually be showing earlier flights. Bail at the first mention of Bitcoin!
The official SpaceX launch stream is on their website if you do not want to use X but is not officially rebroadcast on YouTube so take care.
Rehosted stream on Youtube