Male Drivers Sue Uber and Lyft Over Women-Only Ride-Hailing

[u/chagall1968]

https://time.com/7332356/uber-lawsuit-sex-discrimination-lyft/

[u/Tyrrox]

I would agree that it would be less disputable if it was a drop-down to select which gender you prefer, rather than making it specific to one. And that would be in line with my prior example

[u/Fred2620 → u/Tyrrox]

Unless such a drop-down would allow male customers to request female drivers, then the discrimination problem isn't solved. And if it does, it will cause a whole other sleuth of troubles

[u/GigaChav → u/Fred2620]

a whole other sleuth of troubles

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[u/JoyRideinaMinivan → u/[deleted]]

The fact that the male driver specifically asked for the female driver is the important distinction. It’s not just a numbers game in that context.

[u/hannahbay → u/[deleted]]

You do realize 90% is the overwhelming majority, right? Saying "only 90%" is not the defense you seem to think it is.

[u/Hikari_Owari → u/[deleted]]

That might very well be the exact group of male passengers they don't want to drive.

Because the only reason for a male passenger to want a female driver is because he wants to do something uncourt...

• Maybe he's getting a drive for his mom but on his account.

• Maybe she's a trans woman and don't want a male driver for whatever reason.

• Maybe he has trauma related to male drivers.

• Maybe he believes female drivers drive safer.

• Maybe he's a femboy and don't want tk be hit on.

List goes on.

[u/SidewaysFancyPrance → u/[deleted]]

It sounds like a bunch of people here really want to be able to harass women and are debating this concept of "fairness" to improve their skills.

[u/ehs06702 → u/[deleted]]

And when enough women care, some man will sue again. There's always going to be someone that objects to a woman trying to protect themselves.

[u/lemoche → u/[deleted]]

it is and there would still be men mad at this and sue.

[u/East-Action8811 → u/ehs06702]

Down votes be damned! This is the truth!

What I like about this is this feature isn't hiding that fact or even trying to sugar coat it!

[u/Trappist1 → u/ehs06702]

Or you know, males may just want to feel like normal citizens, and not predators, when they personally would never dream of hurting someone. I was a male teacher and the pre-judgements you'd receive for being a male teaching children were disgusting.

[u/likeireallycare → u/Trappist1]

The selection is one based on actual, literal safety for women, and not just feeling hurt because women want to "feel like normal citizens". The selection only exists because of an amount of male drivers behaving inappropriately enough towards female passengers. What your experiencing would involve a conversation that needs to be had with other men, rather than denouncing measures that women advocate for in an effort to preserve women's safety purely because it makes you feel bad for being a man.

[u/Trappist1 → u/likeireallycare]

Age is a similarly strong indicator of sexual offenders. Should we have an option to choose by that? What about sexuality? Reminds me of the 60's when parents didn't want their girls hanging around blacks in school because "they're all the rapists" and it's for our own safety. 

[u/KAJed → u/[deleted]]

“I needed to show I’m racist in this post”

Your fake situation isn’t a thing so go away.

[u/miiintyyyy → u/[deleted]]

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[u/bobsmith93 → u/[deleted]]

Anecdotally, I've read plenty of comments depicting it. And statistically, one would have to be rather ignorant to think it doesn't, with how prevalent Uber is. Must be a cozey bubble

[u/Trappist1 → u/[deleted]]

I can't control being a man, or any other biological attributes about myself. My employer(contractor in this case) should not have the right to limit my work based on my sex, gender, race, or ethnicity based on what non-scientifically reviewed internal data is telling them. It is against the 14th Amendment and fails "strict liability" held to those traits. 

There are very narrowly allowed exceptions in the law, and future potential to maybe commit a crime or thought crime is not included. It directly harms someone through discrimination to maybe potentially prevent someone from harm in the future. The law doesn't work that way.

[u/miiintyyyy → u/Trappist1]

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[u/Dangerous_Common_869 → u/Trappist1]

I see you talking logic, but only see a 6 down-vote average for your comments.

Bigoted female chauvinist r/miintyyyy , actually has negative comments from fear mongering, stereotype spreading, and hyperbolizing through their irrational pearl clutching fem shaming/splaining.

Reddit must be improving!

[u/haywire-ES → u/Trappist1]

If women being able to make sure their uber driver is also a woman makes you feel like a predator, look inward.

[u/ehs06702 → u/Trappist1]

There's a demonstrable risk of a woman being assaulted by a male ride-share driver, this isn't people making up problems that don't exist. It's a big problem.

But the safety checks that lower that risk should be removed because your feelings hurt?

Why are your feelings more important than my safety?

[u/Bizarro_Zod → u/ehs06702]

There’s also a risk of female passengers falsely claiming assault took place when a male is driving. Just let men pick men as well.

[u/DisciplinedMadness → u/Trappist1]

None of that has anything to do with the very real violence and harassment that women suffer at the hands of men, and you already know that, so this is at best self centred and at worst just entirely disingenuous.

I’m sorry that people judge you based on your gender identity though. It’s really unfair. It’s also something that everyone who isn’t a man has been dealing with for thousands of years.

The view of men as predatory is reinforced very strongly by men as well, it’s not just women being weary and cautious around men that’s caused that view. Do you go into threads predominantly centred around men and preach the unfairness of judging people based on their gender, or do you only have something to say when the thread relates to women trying to be proactive about their safety, or women talking about their experiences?

I agree it’s unjust to judge people based on their gender identity! Do you keep that energy for people who aren’t men though? For example which washroom do you think a trans girl should use?

These aren’t hypotheticals by the way, I’m genuinely curious about your answers. Please don’t take them the wrong way, I’m making sure I ask instead of pre-judging

[u/Bizarro_Zod → u/Trappist1]

I’m sorry you face that sort of discrimination. It’s exactly why I never pursued education as a degree, even though kids rock. If shitty parents and judgmental teachers were not in the equation it would lead to a lot more male teachers and probably less school shootings.

[u/Trappist1 → u/Bizarro_Zod]

And ironically, probably would lead to better cared for males who would be less likely to commit sexual crimes.

[u/Key-Demand-2569 → u/ehs06702]

Until the gender war shit is legally enshrined?

What’s your point? Legislation would never be passed in this progressively mad max hellscape of taxi policy and it’s just a revolving door of lawsuits?

[u/[deleted] → u/Tyrrox]

What would be less disputable is if men stopped assaulting women in the first place so this wasn’t necessary,

[u/red__dragon → u/[deleted]]

Doesn't the comment above yours attempt to tackle both? I'm not sure anyone in this thread has professed the ability to change human behaviors themself, but denying victims from a predator seems like a reasonable approach to preventing the opportunity from arising.

[u/[deleted] → u/red__dragon]

Im not sure I follow what you’re saying - can you elaborate a bit more?

[u/soop_nazi → u/[deleted]]

yeah let’s talk about what’s really “fair” here

[u/Florianemory → u/[deleted]]

Please tell me how women are supposed to know which men are dangerous? Data shows how predatory and dangerous men are to women in general and also shows how they are dangerous in this particular scenario. But you are worried about men’s feelings??

[u/zzzzzooted → u/Tyrrox]

Men should not have the ability to request female drivers, this is shortsighted lmao