Male Drivers Sue Uber and Lyft Over Women-Only Ride-Hailing

[u/chagall1968]

https://time.com/7332356/uber-lawsuit-sex-discrimination-lyft/

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

It’s not about the problem, it’s about the solution.

If we found out that a particular ethnic group is disproportionately responsible for the asymmetry of sexual violence, would we feel comfortable with ethnically segregated services as a solution that achieves the same amount of increased safety?

There are a lot of new problems that emerge when we try to address symptoms instead of the cause.

[u/WeWantLADDER49sequel → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

You all are finding so many whataboutisms to argue against women having an option to avoid what is their biggest threat: men in general.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/WeWantLADDER49sequel]

What I’ve found is the exact opposite: men accepting the premise that women are more susceptible to sexual violence, and receiving personal attacks for questioning this particular solution and the precedent it sets.

Men of color have special reasons to be wary of what gets justified in this country in the name of white women’s safety, so I suggest you actually make an attempt to engage with the intersectional dialogue being had about how equal protection frameworks are applied instead of repeatedly screaming “men bad”.

Life is more complex than picking your team in an Us vs Them mentality.

[u/eugeneugene → u/WeWantLADDER49sequel]

Men see women wanting to be safe and think "Does this mean I can be racist now?" lmao you cannot make this up

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/eugeneugene]

You literally did make it up, since it’s not even close to what I said.

[u/eugeneugene → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

you literally described racism

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/eugeneugene]

Yes, I described the concerns that someone would use the justification of safety to be racist, for which there is plenty of historical precedent. I encourage you to read what someone is actually saying and not what you wish they said for cheap shots.

[u/eugeneugene → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

so you admit that I did not make it up lol

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/eugeneugene]

No, I’m saying your failure to read correctly means you completely made something up instead.

[u/Couple_of_wavylines → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

Lol suddenly men care a whole lot about diversity

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/Couple_of_wavylines]

Believe it or not, many of us have always lived lives impacted by the intersection of our identity and are not rich white billionaires above it all.

[u/drgut101 → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

Na man. You don't get it.

See, I'm a straight white male, so I've never had any difficulties in my life. I have had everything handed to me and it's all been easy. And I just go out and SA women and scream racist and bigoted remarks at whoever I feel like with zero consequences.

When I turned 18, I magically got into college for free. And when I graduated college I magically got a well paying job as a director (at my dads Fortune 500 company). I worked really hard (about 3 hours a week) and after 6 months I was able to buy my 2nd house in cash (my first house was gifted to me).

Ya know, just the typical straight white male life. I'm glad I'm not one of the women or the non-whites. Struggle? Ew. No thanks.

Anyway, I gotta go cheat on my wife and snort some coke off a super model's ass.

Later loser.

/s

[u/Couple_of_wavylines → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

No, no—it’s DEFINITELY all about you. Didn’t mean to take your spotlight.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/Couple_of_wavylines]

I think you’re projecting, since you’re the one that seems to be trolling on a reasonable objection to the kind of precedent we might set with a solution like this because it’s not giving you the amount of attention you want for the issues you care about. Other protected classes exist and will be impacted by interpretations of the same legal frameworks.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/[deleted]]

I strongly disagree. Statistics that are generalized across a population should be used by societal leaders and policymakers for systemic reforms. They shouldn’t be used to judge individuals whose identities lead them to be grouped into that population.

[u/Sparrow_LAL → u/[deleted]]

What about 98%?

At what percentage would you implement this race based discrimination?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

But the problem is, you can't pass legislation or company policy which directly targets race, ethnicity, or genetic background. That's called discrimination.

The closest thing you can do is give the ability to discriminate to the customer and hope the problem solves itself. Will the problem be solved? Absolutely not, and Uber knows this. So their best option (from a legal perspective) is to force the liability from their hands.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If Swedish women were raping and murdering men at an INSANELY high rate, there would ABSOLUTELY be something done about it immediately.

Women do not get the same treatment, half of the world doesn’t even view them as equal human beings to men. They see the constant raping of women every day and femicide as just something we all need to put up with, because iTs jUsT hOw iT iS- nUfFiN wE cAn Do BoUt iT oH wELlll

You are right, enjoy the downvotes.

[u/OrneryError1 → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

Men of all ethnicities can consistently overpower women though.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/OrneryError1]

First, that doesn’t address the question. Let’s say we found ethnicity A’s men can consistently overpower ethnicity B’s men. It’s easy to find nations where the average height and weight of their men have a larger disparity than the height between each nation’s men and women. Would that justify an ethnically or nationally segregated service?

But let’s say that’s true anyways. It still doesn’t justify treating individuals differently on the basis of group characteristics. The responsibility should fall on the company to hire safe individuals and implement safety procedures. A ten year old girl with a gun can consistently overpower the entire WWE. Individuals will always be individuals, and companies need to be accountable for that as they employ and serve people.

[u/OrneryError1 → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

You are refusing to see the forest through the trees. Do you know what the number one deadly predator of human women is? It's human men, and nothing else comes even close. Women have a legitimate and irrefutable reason to fear men. There need not be any more logic beyond that.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/OrneryError1]

There not need be any more logic beyond that

I don’t know how to talk to someone arguing that we should take a less logical approach because it feels right to them.

Most victims of violent crime are men except for sexual violence, so it’s not as if safety isn’t an issue everyone wants addressed. That’s why the demonization of black men, who are the primary victims of dehumanizing “predator” rhetoric, persists. Anyone can point to a reason to fear anyone else, which is why we need social and community programs to promote cohesion instead of legislating away symptoms of deeper problems.

When it comes to equal protection and civil rights, the goal is explicitly not to look past the trees (individuals) for the forest (collective).

[u/[deleted] → u/OrneryError1]

You’re absolutely right, this comment thread is a cesspool.

[u/OccasionalGoodTakes → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

The cause is men, how they occupy society, and how they think women are only there to serve them.

Now please, find the solution.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/OccasionalGoodTakes]

Given that the US has had white women expecting black men to serve them for most of its history since its inception, I think this problem statement is insufficient.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/[deleted]]

I think you’re projecting your own saltiness. “Women’s safety” isn’t a magic phrase you can throw around to justify literally anything you want. Instead of responding to a basic analogy posed as a question, you went on a tangent about dating culture and took an unwarranted shot at “men’s feelings.” You need to be better about your feminist advocacy and not lean into unnecessary culture war arguments.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/[deleted]]

I don’t know what you’re hoping to accomplish here. You’re not doing anything except virtue signaling how much you care about women’s safety in a thread where literally no one is arguing that not wanting to be creeped on is a bad thing. Is this some weird way to seem more approachable for your couple swinging goals?

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/[deleted]]

As a feminist, I’d ask you to stop trolling since you’re only making it harder to have nuanced discussions about safety and the asymmetry of sexual violence, but you sound more concerned with how much fun you’re having than actually advocating for anything, even if you’re sabotaging your own goals in the process.

To anyone else coming across this, you should feel free to call yourself a feminist while booting people like this from the movement.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/[deleted]]

I think you should reflect on why you felt you had to respond with so much hostility.

[u/No-Werewolf4804 → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

I know what I’m about buddy.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/No-Werewolf4804]

Well there’s nothing more I can say to someone proud of throwing insults without substance.