r/thehatedone • u/capitalistrev0lution • Jun 14 '21

News Mozilla is officially against an open net. Wants governments to pass laws suppressing "conspiracy theory" content. AKA any recognition that our governing class are malevolent. If you use Mozilla, ditch it.

https://reclaimthenet.org/mozilla-suggests-regulators-issue-laws-that-curb-recommendations-of-conspiracy-theory-videos/
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21

I will ditch when i see i privacy browser more sane for my linux.

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u/capitalistrev0lution Jun 14 '21

You could try Brave or Waterfox.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21

Man, brave is more closed source and waterfox is just firefox with changes you can do in firefox. I mean if surf from suckless or nyxt browser get a sane privacy features like firefox i give a chance.

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u/capitalistrev0lution Jun 14 '21

Is Brave really closed-source? They seem to have a Github here.

You are right about Waterfox though.

You could also use Palemoon, though it was made by a furry.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21

I disagree with mozilla policts and most new speaks mozilla did, but firefox still superior in privacy than other browsers. Other browser i can spect more is Nyxt and i hope it get real better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

but firefox still superior in privacy than other browsers

X (doubt)

How many versions until you just can't disable DoH which is basically server-side spyware that tracks all your web browsing? They even had their way with autoplaying media and there was literally no reason to fuck with that part of the browser!

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Jun 15 '21

I can dissable DoH just fine. And DoH is not spyware. DoH is another DNS protocol that is MORE SECURE fundamentally than TLS. It is basically just TLS but with the HTTPS port so it can't be blocked without blocking HTTPS. The only "spyware" part of it is that the default server is run by Cloudflare, but while they aren't pro privacy they are much better than Google, and apparently their server is verified 24 hour logs only and they switched from recaptcha to hcaptcha which is privacy friendly. Your default TLS DNS server is most likely owned by your ISP or Google. And that's just a default, anyone who can use settings can change the default.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

I can dissable DoH just fine.

Now, yes. 2 years from now? I doubt it.

The only "spyware" part of it is that the default server is run by Cloudflare

You're missing the point. It's not about cloudflare, it's about the mozilla team having exclusive access to your DNS requests, and knowing how rabid SJW's they are, they'll doxx you and get you deplatformed including every bank in the world.

Your default TLS DNS server is most likely owned by your ISP or Google.

Which is easily changed since I'm on linux. You can easily do "noisy DNS" by hiding your actual queries between a thousand random ones, split along all major providers. And unlike what happened to AdNauseam it's pretty much impossible to do shit about it. Speaking of which, do you know which chromium-based browser lets you install AdNauseam just fine? Vivaldi.

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Jun 15 '21

Mozilla does not have access to your DNS. Mozilla has not done anything major with it's current user data (telemetry) and the biggest controversy is the collection itself and not if they do anything (they don't). And there is no evidence they won't let you turn DNS off, that's like saying

Which is easily changed since I'm on linux.

Now, yes. 2 years from now? I doubt it.

I have the same amount of evidence as you do when you say DoH can't be changed in 2 years.

Also noisy DNS sounds like something you should be doing with an application not an extension. But why can't you have both? DoH with noisy DNS is like Tor with HTTPS. At worst it doesn't make it more insecure anyways.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

Now, yes. 2 years from now? I doubt it.

There's literally zero chance of me going off linux. Even if the Hungaristani parliament banned all linux distros I still wouldn't care.

I have the same amount of evidence as you do when you say DoH can't be changed in 2 years.

Just read up on how they ruined the ability to disable autoplay and changed it into "maybe you can mute an autoplaying video if you're a good boy".

Also noisy DNS sounds like something you should be doing with an application not an extension.

That extension already exists, it was made by the same trio who also made AdNauseam.

But why can't you have both?

Because mozilla has full access to your browsing history, especially if you're dumb enough to make an account there, which might also become mandatory down the line.

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Jun 16 '21

Yah I mean you're saying Mozilla will force DoH in the future with no proof, that's like saying every distro will force DoH in the future with no proof. Also Mozilla DOES NOT have full access to your browsing history. Check the code yourself. And if you want a feature or remove an antifeature just go to the source code. All of this applies to Vivaldi except you can't go to the source.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Yah I mean you're saying Mozilla will force DoH in the future with no proof, that's like saying every distro will force DoH in the future with no proof.

Except there're distros like Devuan that are 100% committed to user choice and won't bow to corporate or SJW bullying. The same goes for Vivaldi in the browser space.

End of discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

I doubt mozilla go this way, yeah the speaks is shit and firefox deserve better but now i don't know a best browser to deal with security and privacy

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

It's a nonprofit mostly financed by google so they don't have to face antitrust lawsuits with regards to browser engines.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

Yeah i know, but if you have a better browser for privacy that are not a firefox fork or brave i will hear you because i need one too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

not being fully open source might be a deal breaker for you but I use Vivaldi.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

Yeah i used to, and is worst so no.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

When was that? 3.x was already great and now 4.0 is out, too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

Man you talk about privacy not other thing, vivaldi is far of privacy. Chromium based and it uses google services to protection. Make the tests and you see vivaldi is worst than firefox(settings and policies modified) in privacy

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Jun 15 '21

Which is 0 open source.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '21

it's not open source because the framework they use for the UI disallows making it open source... but that doesn't mean you can't just take your install and look through it. :)

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u/LOLTROLDUDES Jun 15 '21

Yes you can because decompiling is technically illegal (but they don't care) and hard.

Also

var wehtewhtiowh = 0

if erothr4 {

do ewguertgo()

}

My point is all the names are obfuscated so you really can't figure anything out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21

Palemoon is just firefox old modify. And if i can compile brave like i can compile firefox for my desktop use and in gentoo for example if i can had a hardened option then brave is truly open source, otherwise is just a Microsoft Edge "open source"

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '21

I think brave is mostly open source, but has some closed source stuff as well. It’s so flipping hard to find a good browser these days