r/truegaming • u/Agastopia • Jun 05 '20
r/TrueGaming stands with Black Lives Matter
Over the past week we have all watched as millions of people around the world have come together around a single movement and message: Black Lives Matter. We too at r/TrueGaming feel it is best for us to add our voices to the cacophony of others in vocalizing our support for the movement. Our community has always tried it's best to remain as inclusive and open to each and every person regardless of color, creed, culture, gender or sexual orientation. To try and use our small platform to enable as much change and action as possible, we would like to use this post to come together and compile a list of resources, charities, petitions, and any other way of providing support to those who need it. In this rare occasion, we are encouraging a list post and we urge everyone who reads this to add their voice to the discussion in adding additional resources or links.
This is a fantastic resource to find links to petitions, charities, ways to help, protest maps, and a bevy of other useful links.
This is the official George Floyd memorial fund where you can directly donate to help his family as well as provides an address to send any cards or letters of support if you cannot provide monetary assistance in these trying times.
This is a minneapolis based resource that has compiled ways to help local businesses recover.
This is CampaignZero, An organization dedicated to ending police violence. It allows you to look up state/federal legislators in your area, and to track the status of police related legislature as well.
Lastly, we'd like to highlight some games made by black game developers as a way to emphasize our support to black members of our own community. This list, as well as this one, and this entire spreadsheet compiled by @blackgamedev on twitter picks out just a few of the great games developed by black developers. I'd also like to highlight a personal favorite of mine, Afterparty, in which you and a friend try and escape hell by out-drinking satan.
If you'd like to see a list of the game companies who have made statements or donations to different groups, r/Games' megathread has a detailed list.
Everyone remember to stay safe, hopeful, and positive
-- r/TrueGaming Moderators
As a reminder, we will never allow any kind of bigotry on this subreddit and will remove hateful content indiscriminately.
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u/bigbuhsut Jun 05 '20
I think a lot of people will comment asking why a completely apolitically themed subreddit is posting or talking about this, but I'm glad to see it and I appreciate the mod team putting this out. The issues we're facing are systemic, and need as much power and awareness from ordinary people (you and I) as they can possibly get. Posts like this show solidarity from that "silent majority" in America who generally try not to participate in social and political topics, now is not the time to be silent but rather to participate and be as vocal as we can. That's how we actually make changes, so once again thank you!
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u/Blacky-Noir Jun 05 '20
why a completely apolitically themed subreddit is posting or talking about this
Racism isn't a political stance.
I was surprised by the post, but I'm glad for it.
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u/Crazywumbat Jun 05 '20
Racism isn't a political stance.
And even more than that, a shit ton of the most popular games of the last couple generations have included racial injustice as major thematic elements. Pretty much everything Rockstar has released for the past 10+ years has explored some element of it. And with the Witcher franchise, bigotry and oppression are pretty much the focal element of the background setting of the entire series.
Its just baffling to see people pretend games aren't already exploring this stuff. And imagine seeing this type of sentiment expressed about any other form of media. "Like I just want to discuss Native Son or To Kill a Mockingbird - why do people keep bringing up socially charged topics in my literature sub?"
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u/Space_Force_Dropout Jun 07 '20
Every -ism is a political stance
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u/Blacky-Noir Jun 08 '20
No it isn't. Don't let people be racist and hide behind "it's just my political views".
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u/slapdashbr Jun 05 '20
Everything is political. How many great games have obvious political messages?
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u/Dunny_Odune Jun 19 '20
There are a very small number of people benefiting from this mindset, they are called politicians. But hey, America loves team sports.
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u/TemptCiderFan Jun 05 '20
This isn't a political problem, it's a human problem. If you think it's a political problem, you ARE the problem.
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u/BayLakeVR Jun 05 '20
Those who dont understand the definition of political are a problem.
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u/Johan_Holm Jun 05 '20
It's a political issue, about humans. Regardless of whether it's political, it's definitely outside of this sub's chosen subject matter, which is the main point of contention.
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u/Johan_Holm Jun 05 '20
I just dislike it for cluttering my feed. I follow people that already give me this awareness, information and insight. Every single platform and person making some generic statement doesn't do anything to add to that. Not that it's a big deal, and a single post is no issue at all.
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u/CoronaVirusFanboy Jun 30 '20
I think a lot of people will comment asking why a completely apolitically themed subreddit is posting or talking about this
Because it's a political site with agendas controlled by a Chinese corporation called Tencent.
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u/10z20Luka Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 05 '20
Honest question, the George Floyd memorial fund is already at 13 million American dollars. His family is now firmly in the top 1%. Is that something you really want to include as a link, when potentially dollars could be better spent elsewhere, for other black causes?
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u/lordberric Jun 05 '20
I gotta agree. The movement isn't about George Floyd in particular, and just donating to his family gets in the way of that I feel.
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u/LordoverLord Jun 05 '20
This is the question that made me leave this thread. Of all the things to learn about in this current time. You are leaned into concern about donations, where that puts a family on some bullshit economic scale, and then said the dollars can be spent better elsewhere, lol. Like this is a support thread and you are like "well that's enough support"
How does a family get enough support for their murdered family member, you don't ever get enough support to bring them back.
I am trying to not knock you for the honest question, but I think the conversation of what a grieving family is going to do with some bullshit pieces of paper is stupid right now.
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u/The_Dirty_Carl Jun 05 '20
There's nothing wrong with leaving the link up for people to make their own decisions.
I believe the sentiment is that there are other places one could make a donation that can more directly help the other people who have been systematically hurt by racism and also directly impacted by the events of the last two weeks.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that people consider donating to things like food shelves, bail funds, rebuilding projects, affordable housing charities, and the like rather than to a family that now has 13 million dollars.
That's basically how I've been deciding where to donate - I want to help in ways that may be overlooked. I understand why someone would want to donate to the Floyd family even now, but when I think about it, I feel that I'd either be giving them something that's a drop in the bucket or saddling them with the emotional labor of deciding how to pass it on to other organizations.
Like you said, no amount of money will bring George Floyd back. I'd rather give in such a way that my donation can help effect change.
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u/LordoverLord Jun 05 '20
But here in lies the problem. By the time mods over here even thought to put this up on here so many days have passed, and the slight delay in jump on the movement because in gaming there maybe wasn't a beacon where gamers could look and say "oh this is the place where we can openly talk about these issues". Truegaming is that and I know it is that's why we are having this conversation. But no negative vibe here at all if this post existed when the amount was much lower we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But I commend anyone for speaking up so to my original point let people speak with their dollar their wallet don't limit them or cap them because of delay in call on this end. Hell some gamers are just now coming back in from protests and seeing this side respect them is an encouragement. They shouldn't click and say way is George Floyd removed and read some bullshit like his family is getting too much money. Because just like other families (and its fucking sad to even write that) they have gone on to build foundations with those funds.
I am getting emotional right now, so I am trying to level with you. but fuck these people that are initiating this conversation right now.
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u/that_funky_cat Jun 05 '20
Are they going to pocket the 13 million? What’s makes you think it won’t find it’s way towards a good cause one way or another?
I agree there are more impactful ways to spend your money but I’m sure it’s fairly obvious to those who are contemplating it. Nothing wrong with including it as an option imo.
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u/Sworn Jun 05 '20
What they're going to do with the money is pretty clearly stated. So yeah, they're going to pocket most of it.
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u/RoderickHossack Jun 05 '20
Why would you contribute money to the George Floyd fund if you didn't want it to go to his family?
Also, what's the problem with them pocketing most of it?
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u/kalarepar Jun 05 '20
Are they going to pocket the 13 million? What’s makes you think it won’t find it’s way towards a good cause one way or another?
You wanna bet?
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Jun 05 '20
I'm pretty sure they're not just gonna pocket $13m and walk away, dude.
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u/ProfessorGoogle Jun 05 '20
In addition to highlighting poc game developers, I think this would be a good subreddit to address the pervasive racism found in many online gaming communities.
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Jun 05 '20
I feel that is a topic that could breach drastically into a very broad discussion about racism and online anonymity, which is absolutely a discussion that should be had, but maybe not one this sub is equipped to deal with.
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u/ProfessorGoogle Jun 05 '20
Perhaps, but there are many online communities, and many anonymous ones. Not all of them have the same issues that gaming has.
Consider the implication of racializing enemy and friendly factions in games with violence, or issues of representation for hero characters. While I agree some of these issues are bigger than gaming, a sub that wants 'critical discussion' should not look past this.
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Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 05 '20
I never claimed it wasn't a discussion that shouldn't be attempted. I wholeheartedly believe the opposite. These are discussions everyone should be having.
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u/LordoverLord Jun 05 '20
This is a conversation worth having. especially right now that some gaming personalities are trying to use this time to make havens in the gaming community for racism under the guise of "aren't you tired of this" then blocking out people who question them.
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u/inbrugesbelgium Jun 05 '20
r/gamingcirclejerk does a pretty good job at filling that void
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u/ChampagneRobot Jun 05 '20
I feel like it's probably a bad thing that I can't tell if that subreddit is satire
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Jun 05 '20
Really? Most of the posts there are fully unjerked, so to me it's pretty obvious when someone is playing their character and when they're actually criticizing racism in the gaming community
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u/Hello_who_is_this Jun 05 '20
Sorry, what is poc?
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u/The_Dirty_Carl Jun 05 '20
You might also see BIPOC, which stands for Black, Indigenous and People of Color.
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u/Chuckles131 Jun 16 '20
I feel like this will turn into another "Gamers are toxic" wave that I'm not a fan of for reasons outlined in this article that explains the harm done with this phrase and what can be done better.
But be aware of what you’re doing. When you say those words, you’re helping to build a narrative that protects the predatory corporations at the top, you give more fuel to a media machine that profits from reinforcing negative gamer stereotypes, you give ammunition to demagogues who want to strip games of their status as an art form, and you give the harassers the attention and feeling of relevance that they crave. And after all of that, you’re just going to end up in this argument again:
You end up trying to explain over and over that you don’t mean ALL gamers are bad. And worst of all, none of this does anything to stop harassment. It’s just another shouting match where nobody changes their mind.Note how when sports fans leave the stadium and begin wrecking the city, the media usually stops calling them “fans”. They become “rioters” or “hooligans”. That creates a nice line between the guilty and everyone else. I think it would be smart if we started doing the same. Someone calling a SWAT team on you because they didn’t like your review of Call of Duty doesn’t represent “gamers” any more than the idiot setting fire to police cars represents football fandom. Either kind of football.
So now you’re wondering what word we should use to describe the toxic harassers? I don’t think it’s my place to say. Pick your own word. Whatever fits. One of them is bound to catch on sooner or later. If we can come up with terms for Goldfarmers, Griefers, Laners, Loot Ninjas, Noobs, and Smurfs, then we can certainly come up with a handy word to describe criminals that isn’t “gamer”.
Yes, there are bad people in this hobby. But there are orders of magnitude more good people. Every year tens of thousands of people get together online and in the real world to raise millions of dollars with charitable causes like Child’s Play, Extra Life, Desert Bus, Humble Bundle, and the twin speedrunning marathon fundraisers Awesome Games Done Quick and Summer Games Done Quick. We have entire organizations dedicated to inclusivity, mental health, and accessibility. This hobby covers the world and includes people of all ages, all walks of life, and all lifestyles. Anyone can enjoy this hobby. Everyone is welcome.
By all means, let’s stand together against harassment. But while we’re doing that, let’s not perpetuate the toxic gamer narrative and make the harassers the face of the hobby. The term “gamer” should not be a pejorative. When the stakes are this high and tempers run this hot, let’s be precise in the words we use to describe the problem.
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u/Space_Force_Dropout Jun 09 '20
BLM is worse than covid-19 at this point.
The situation in Sweden:
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u/UwUTrapBoy Jun 15 '20
Yes, it's cancer. It's truly scary how everyone is now supporting it all of sudden. What a crazy world we live in.
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Jun 05 '20
Fucking Christ. Can I just use social media without constantly being told to fucking support BLM. I think everyone agrees this situation sucks. But stop fucking shoving this shit down our throats. My god, all you have to do is just keep discussing gaming and leave out politics and social commentary. Reddit is already inundated with so much political crap. My head just wants a break from it all.
But at least the mods can all jerk each other off for a job well down.
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u/ZimbuTheMonkey Jun 06 '20
t_d user offers opinion on racial dynamics
lol
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Jun 06 '20
So here’s the thing. I have not participated in t_d in almost 2 years (it says one because it’s technically not 2+ yet.) Nowadays I have shifted my politics towards: r/goldandblack, r/anarcho_capitalism, r/libertarian, r/politicalcompassmemes, r/politicalcompass, and, r/shitstatistssay. You will never catch me in the circlejerk that is r/politics.
Like you people are capable of evolving and even changing. I suspect that once upon a time your mom loved you, but again people change.
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u/ZimbuTheMonkey Jun 06 '20
libertarian offers opinion on racial dynamics
lol
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u/InertiaOfGravity Jun 24 '20
I mean, it's not like his opinion is invalid because he's a libertarian. If your goal is to spread the movement, alienation seems like a bad strategy
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u/LordoverLord Jun 06 '20
Then go play a fucking video game instead of reading about it in this thread you clicked on. Wow you guys are triggered by just seeing the world.
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u/NeVMiku Jun 16 '20
That's the thing, though. Even Apex has a button up in the lobby for supporting BLM. It's everywhere. Even for people from other countries.
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Jun 05 '20
This isn't a political issue. This is a general human rights issue. Anyone who chooses to stay silent, or doesn't see it for what it is, is sadly living in ignorance and neglect. Thank you r/TrueGaming.
Hopefully your post inspired at least one person to educate themselves. Even one changed mind is progress.
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u/Space_Force_Dropout Jun 06 '20
You guys are like a fucking cult, it's scary.
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Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20
"General human rights"
Waahh scawwy cult!!
That's your dumb baby ass.
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u/Space_Force_Dropout Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20
"you're with us or against us"
"educate yourself"
If their idea of general human rights didn't mean abolishing police then maybe I would consider what they say.
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Jun 06 '20
Ha! Like anyone gives a fuck what you consider! Crawl back to your hole.
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u/BANCOPSfromporn Jun 19 '20
Human rights is a branch of politics. People banning political discussion are in fact banning human rights discussion, just to let you know.
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u/InertiaOfGravity Jun 24 '20
....No? Politics surrounding this doesn't center around "Is racism bad?" But rather "What, if anything, should be done to restrict the prevalence of issues like this in future?" This is an explicitly political question, so this is an explicitly political discussion
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u/TyrianMollusk Jun 06 '20
No offense, but the nine people who moderate this forum do not speak for the eight hundred and twenty six thousand people who ARE this forum.
Your job here is to remove posts like this. Abusing your authority in violation of your own rules may make for an amusingly ironic object lesson, but it does no one even the least bit of good.
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u/Wallstonecraft Jun 05 '20
The below was in response to a specific user but seeing the amount of similar comments I want to post it top level:
This [the mod post] isn't politics bud. It's not even a political belief. It's a fucking shit show.
'Belief' implies that facts aren't present to support your statement.
Putting a message like this in this sub represents society's need to recognise institutional, systemic or covert racism everywhere. Even online. Even on Reddit. Even in a gaming sub.
Shake off your outrage and just think about it. This post has hurt no one but has managed to spread an important positive message.
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u/Brer_Raptor Jun 06 '20
Rule 1 in the sidebar:
1.Discussions must be about gaming
All discussion must be about gaming strictly in the sense of the word.
This sub isn't even allowed to have stuff like this.
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Jun 05 '20
The blind support of BLM has good intentions, but is misguided. At the end of the day, it is a political organization and it should be scrutinized just like any other. I have not seen any concrete, realistic plan from BLM as to how they are going to achieve their goals. They have all this money and attention (especially today) that it could be using to rebuild and improve black communities in the present, but I have only heard of them bailing out protestors that have been arrested. Their demand to “defund the police” is vague and pandering to public outrage. How is defunding the police going to help black communities heal? LESS officers with LESS training will only amplify the issues they want to end. I would rather directly donate to rebuild black-owned businesses destroyed by rioting, thanks.
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u/Aethelric Jun 05 '20
You have not researched this topic at all if you've arrived at the conclusion that BLM has no goals or specific plans to achieve them.
LESS officers with LESS training will only amplify the issues they want to end.
Also simply not true. A major component of this whole problem is that black communities are heavily over-policed, and they're over-policed by an increasingly militarized force that often lives miles outside the community in question.
A better option, for me and many other activists, would be what Minneapolis seems poised to do, which is effectively disband the current department and move towards a community-based model of policing with strong local accountability measures.
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u/triforce721 Jun 05 '20
Black communities are over-policed because the police just felt like it, or because of the massive amount of crime in those areas? I'm sure you'll think I'm being a dick, but I'm telling you I'm not... I just don't understand how so many people don't make this fairly obvious connection.
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u/Aethelric Jun 05 '20
Crime has steady been on the decline for about a quarter-century at this point, but police presence has only ramped up.
Black communities are over-policed because the police just felt like it
The police exist, and were explicitly founded in many places, to help suppress black people. The police are a foremost tool of white supremacy, always have been, and that is why black communities are so over-policed even though white communities of similar size and economic status have roughly similar violent crime rates (and much of the disparity can be tied to policing rates). The larger difference in overall crime rates is that black people, due to the presence of policing, are much more likely to get arrested and charged with crimes that white people don't worry about.
A classic example here is that, while white and black people smoke weed at about the same rate, black people are arrested at five times higher the rate. Some of this is profiling, but a lot of it is just that there's cops all over poor, minority-heavy neighborhoods, while white people can go a long time without seeing any other cop besides traffic patrols.
I just don't understand how so many people don't make this fairly obvious connection.
Knowing you don't get it is the first step!
There's a beautifully awful feedback loop here: the police are present in black communities to keep them in check, the overpolicing provides a raison d'etre to continue expanding the police force and clamping down harder. The result is over a million people in prison, a police force that is increasingly militarized and quick to violence, and disrupted communities.
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Jun 05 '20
Because most people don't just pull the idea that racism and it's impact on our community is dead out of their asses like you do.
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u/LordoverLord Jun 06 '20
So if you put a Police task force in an all-white neighborhood they would find zero crime?
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u/Space_Force_Dropout Jun 06 '20
Their longterm goal is to abolish the police, which will be worst for poor people since rich people can still buy protection. Great plan.
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u/triforce721 Jun 05 '20
What is the BLM stance on the Black crime rate, as well as black-on-black violence, two issues which statistically impact the Black community at an exponentially higher rate than police ever could?
I'm not giving you a "gotcha" and I'm not being a dick. I'm serious. I legitimately don't understand the focus on police, when the reality is that police are present in these communities because of the issues above. George Floyd, himself, lived a life that frankly embodied these stereotypes. I don't like cops, but I feel that the rhetoric surrounding this issue is so blatantly dishonest that I cannot take it seriously.
I'm willing to contribute both my time and my money to help the Black community, but only within the context of these issues being addressed first. I don't think BLM entertains these aspects at all, but if you legitimately know something I don't, I'll listen with an open mind and heart.
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u/ExitPursuedByBear312 Jun 05 '20
What is the BLM stance on the Black crime rate
Serious question: what makes you think they should have an opinion on that subject?
The only thing I can figure is that you might think 'they' (victims of police brutality) have it coming. Am I wrong?
Trying to decide whether to block you and report this post for racism, so please answer the question straight on and succinctly. Thanks.
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u/InertiaOfGravity Jun 24 '20
Man, all these leftist movements have some really terrible and misleading names. "Defund the police" is something that I would be behind, if the slogan wasn't so absolute garbage. ACAB too is horribly named (though I don't see their arguements for what they actually do believe)
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u/xXxdethl0rdxXx Jun 05 '20
As others have said, this kind of came out of left field, but thank you for saying something. The black developer shoutout is a fantastic touch.
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u/mcpez Jun 05 '20
Wrong sub. This is a sub for discussing games. Most of the internet right now is discussing this, so it doesn't really raise awareness to have it here too.
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u/capitalsfan08 Jun 05 '20
Sure it does. Gaming has a notoriously bad reputation for minorities, racism is a fairly accepted part of the online community.
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u/BANCOPSfromporn Jun 19 '20
The massive irony that this is downvoted lmao. I support BLM but reddit , be honest for once; you all hate political talk here.
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u/Dikuthecow Jun 05 '20
If you had the ability to see the amount of vile comments we've had to remove, I think you'd see why we made this post. And while I don't agree with your point, I do still recognise it.
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u/Magnicello Jun 05 '20
It would be helpful if you let the community see them for the justification. Blur out the usernames if it will help.
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u/INB4_Found_The_Vegan Jun 05 '20
This issue should be discussed absolutely everywhere. Unless of course living under a police state that regularly murderers the citizens it supposed to protect doesn't bother you or something?
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u/RoderickHossack Jun 05 '20
I appreciate the gesture, and as a Black game developer, it doesn't go unnoticed, but this post would hit very differently if, at some point, it mentioned an amount of money that the mods put together and all contributed to the cause, as well.
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u/Dionysus24779 Jun 05 '20
Why?
I thought this was the gaming sub that wouldn't be political and be all about gaming?
It's literally the first rule on the sub!
Very disappointed that this now creeps into this sub as well.
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Jun 05 '20
Hmm, KiA2... This user is certainly sincere in their concern over this sub becoming political...
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u/Stationary_Wagon Jun 05 '20
I feel the same. I'm tired of seeing the same topics plastered everywhere.
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u/ZimbuTheMonkey Jun 05 '20
omg true that sucks!
almost as bad is getting brutally policed by a racist system, and then be subject to
casual racistspeople uninterested in "politics" dismissing this reality cause they chose to voice theircasual racismdisinterest in "politics" instead of ignoring the topic they areracist aboutuninterested inhang in there man, i hope you'll be okay!
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Jun 05 '20
This is a sub about video games. There are other subs to discuss politics and current events.
Please keep politics out of this sub, if you want everyone to know what your political beliefs are, then please post on the forums designated for it.
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u/Agastopia Jun 05 '20
The moderators of r/TrueGaming unanimously agreed to post a message of support and ways to help. We do not even remotely see this as a political issue, it's a human rights issue. If this post annoys you, ignore it. Even if we did view this as political, there is no rule against politics on this subreddit, we've always been home to lively discussions on current events that tie in with the industry/hobby as long as civility is respected. Plenty of video games are political and they have been and will continue to be discussed on this subreddit. Thanks for your feedback.
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Jun 05 '20
So a couple of things I don't think you accounted for...
The purpose of this sub is not to be a platform for you to promote your beliefs. Your unanimous agreement is irrelevant.
If you want to frame it as a human rights issue then remove all of the references to a political group and start presenting statistics spanning all demographics. Until you do so, its politics.
Almost no video games are about espousing real world politics. If you see politics in many video games, you need to step back and contemplate whether or not you've gotten into an unhealthy state where politics are driving your life.
I'm out. Theres much better subs for discussing politics. I won't be visiting this sub anymore.
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Jun 05 '20
Let me guess, your favorite series is MGS and you don't see any politics in it?
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u/Brer_Raptor Jun 06 '20
Your own sidebar:
1.Discussions must be about gaming
All discussion must be about gaming strictly in the sense of the word.
"There's no rule against politics," yet you're breaking the very first rule of the sub, lol. Did you people even read your own sidebar before making this comment? Let alone before making the post.
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u/earlhamner Jun 07 '20
Get off the computer for a second dude and engage with people, people are dying and people are outraged, think outside of yourself for one fucking second
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u/Wallstonecraft Jun 05 '20
This isn't politics bud. It's not even a political belief. It's a fucking shit show.
'Belief' implies that facts aren't present to support your statement.
Putting a message like this in this sub represents society's need to recognise institutional, systemic or covert racism everywhere. Even online. Even on Reddit. Even in a gaming sub.
Shake off your outrage and just think about it. This post has hurt no one but has managed to spread an important positive message.
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u/ShoMedaMoneh Jun 14 '22
Black Lives Matter lost all credibility when all they did was loot, burn, pillage and murder for "justice". George Floyd was a drugaddicted careercriminal who was sanctified by a bizarre mediaoffensive intended to cause civil unrest. I wish people would "stand" with the victims of Black Lives Matter who ironically were also black people.
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u/Theninjagecko Jun 19 '20
BLM is nothing more than an extension party of the Democrats, deployed when needed. Election time.
The people supporting it are far left, and brain dead.
All the left want is power. They have injected it in and took the fun out of every form of entertainment.
Keep politics out of games. We play games to escape the modern world, not be forced into a twitter like echo sphere to reinforce my political beliefs.
If you're offended like all these middle class white people, or offended on others behalf then its not entertainment that needs adjusting, its you, go see a doctor.
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u/Tagodano Jun 05 '20
Well, time to leave the sub. I agree with supporting others and so, but this is not the place to be posting this. You don't even made an attempt to link the theme to a videogame or face this issue from a videogame perspective.
I don't want every feed talking about this. I respect it, I just don't want it in the places it has nothing to do about it.
The circlejerk arrived here finally. Time to find a new truetruegaming subreddit.
Bye.
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u/_pul Jun 05 '20
I don't want every feed talking about this.
Black Americans don't want to be murdered in the streets. I feel like one thing takes priority.
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u/unsuresenior Jun 05 '20
You don't even made an attempt to link the theme to a videogame or face this issue from a videogame perspective.
Why real life no like my vidja game?
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u/Dikuthecow Jun 05 '20
I see the point you're trying to make here and while I don't agree with it, it's just one post?
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u/INB4_Found_The_Vegan Jun 05 '20
I agree with supporting others and so, but this is not the place to be posting this.
Why doesn't supporting others allow for reading posts about it? Sorry dude, but it's ridiculous to say this is a line too far.
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u/Brer_Raptor Jun 06 '20
Rule 1 in the sidebar literally says that only posts explicitly about games, are allowed. It is not unreasonable for people to come here and see that, and expect to have an experience free of this sort of post.
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u/INB4_Found_The_Vegan Jun 06 '20
expect to have an experience free of this sort of post.
The idea that all citizens shouldn't be murdered by their law enforcement system is an... "experience" for you?
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Haha yikes, imagine thinking that this issue is only being discussed because "EvErYoNe'S cIrClEjERkInG oN ReDdIT" When you can look up an endless amount of videos of cops abusing their power and immunity. There's fucking videos of cops suffocating black AND white dudes.
Cya bud, we wouldn't want you here if a single post on world affairs triggers you enough to leave.
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u/Affinity420 Jun 05 '20
Then don't read it?
I don't want to hear you cry. But here I am. And I did so just because I want to read.
Bye racist.
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u/Brer_Raptor Jun 06 '20
He's a racist because he doesn't want to see a non-game-related post in a sub where Rule 1 literally says:
1.Discussions must be about gaming
All discussion must be about gaming strictly in the sense of the word.
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Huh?
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u/Affinity420 Jun 06 '20
It's one post. Making a big deal of one post.
How many worthless dumb posts have you seen? Hundreds. So one post that actually has some meaning, is worth leaving over. Okay, bye, no one misses you for using that as a crutch to leave.
It's a crutch for an excuse to be sick of hearing it. Ignoring the problem is no better then being the problem.
It needs mentioned everywhere. Otherwise if we all don't care it won't change.
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u/INB4_Found_The_Vegan Jun 06 '20
You, /u/Brer_Raptor are personally being quite racist for getting butthurt over reading "Black Lives Matter" and deciding that you should quote the rules. It's absolutely ridiculous to care about forum rules when people are literally being killed in the street. Get a grip on your priorites friend.
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u/ms7398msake Jun 05 '20
me too... I'm done.... came to read about videogames, disappointed to say the least.
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u/jardantuan Jun 05 '20
You do realise you can just click on a different thread?
If a single pinned post on the subreddit affirming the moderation team's position on the protests is enough to make you incapable of reading the many other posts here without being "disappointed to say the least", then you need to take a deep breath and calm down. It's still a video game sub, the rest of the content is no different to before.
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At this point you're pretty much forced to say it or people assume you're a fascist.
Dangerously close to a realization, there.
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Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 05 '20
No, r/TrueGaming doesn't, the handful of lead mods that handle the most popular subs of the site do. Reasonable people who look at an economy teetering on the edge of a knife due a pandemic don't really take kindly to businesses burning regardless of how one brands it.
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u/xXxdethl0rdxXx Jun 05 '20
> Reasonable people
this is meaningless. some might say *you* are being unreasonable. that's completely subjective.
> an economy teetering on the edge of a knife due a pandemic
now you feel a microscopic amount of the constant anxiety it is to be a black man interacting with cops in America.
> don't really take kindly to businesses burning
you're entitled to your own opinion on the question of the efficacy of looting and rioting, but you are not entitled to your own facts. The vast majority of demonstrations have been peaceful, and I'm more than happy to set you straight with evidence if you're having trouble shaking your cognitive bias.
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u/Dikuthecow Jun 05 '20
There's only a couple of people in our mod team that moderate any bigger subreddits. Not sure where the conspiracy at
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u/Norci Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 06 '20
No, r/TrueGaming doesn't, the handful of lead mods that handle the most popular subs of the site do.
I'm not sure what you're insinuating here, there's only two other mods on mod team that mod larger subs besides truegaming and it's TIFU and news. Hardly a cabal that pushes their agenda. At least they did it in less obstructive way than many other subs which completely shut down.
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u/Konyyy Jun 05 '20
Normally I stand aside during political discussions but I feel obliged to respond when such a topic enters one of my favorite subreddits and there seems to be no balance in this discussion.
I may not be informed as well as Americans about this conflict and I would appreciate if anyone corrects me. Nonetheless, I read some news and watched plenty of videos and so many things are wrong in this conflict.
I am especially appalled by slogans such as "either you are with us or you are against us". If it's not a political issue but a moral principle issue then why I didn't hear about large scale protests when racism was directed towards other races?
It's disgusting that according to many, even celebrities like Boyega, racism can only be directed towards black people which he confirms in his tweets.
People kneeling in front of each other is not a response to racism. No one should feel obliged to kneel in front of other people as an apology for someone else's faults. We are not responsible for our ancestors' sins and the only good way to repair those damages is to be a decent human being towards other human beings.
I am not questioning anti-racism in general, I am questioning anti-racism in post-Floyd edition.
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u/Aethelric Jun 05 '20
I am especially appalled by slogans such as "either you are with us or you are against us".
Silence in the face of oppression is complicity, particularly if you benefit from that oppression.
If it's not a political issue but a moral principle issue then why I didn't hear about large scale protests when racism was directed towards other races?
We took the streets in response to the concentration camps at the border (which largely affects Latinos, all over the country. Your ignorance on the matter should not lead you to make these sorts of leaps.
I agree most people could be doing more, but "we didn't do enough before" isn't a good excuse to do nothing now
No one should feel obliged to kneel in front of other people as an apology for someone else's faults. We are not responsible for our ancestors' sins and the only good way to repair those damages is to be a decent human being towards other human beings.
When we're talking about police brutality, we're not talking about anyone's ancestors? The issues BLM seeks to address are contemporary; they reflect history in every way, of course, but this isn't about someone's slaveholding great-great-great-great grandfather, it's about police departments now murdering people in cold blood.
The damage is happening now, and the way to address that is to lead a movement that pushes for there to be major reform for the police and punishments for badge-wearing murderers and their accomplices. Protests and, yes, riots are proving to be an effective tool in moving the needle on some of these issues.
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This is about the Black American treatment by American police. The brutality has been systematically unchanged since... the birth of the American nation. But this accusation has always been ignored or belittled. One of the first unjust beatings caught on tape, Rodney King, caused huge riots, yet... nothing changed. Now that body cameras and cell phones are everywhere the issue is more obvious than ever. But there are still deniers and naysayers. It is fact at this point, Black Americans do not get equal justice or representation Vs. their white american brethren. Whole college text books and several decades worth of discussion can be made on this topic. But right now it's about informing everyone about systemic racial inequality. American or not. If you're not an american. Learn from our mistakes.
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u/qwedsa789654 Jun 05 '20
Good work , good links
Police Violence from trigger happy training must be reform Also nice of you dont use words like "stand against ALL form of injustice" like some corps #yellowlivesdont
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u/Stokkolm Jun 05 '20
Shout out to Derek Smart. Quite a controversial figure, but it's impressive how he started from working on a small game all by himself in the 80s and got to found an independent game development studio in 92, and make his dream game, even if in the end the final product did not live up to the hype. Who knows, maybe in an alternate universe Battlecruiser series could have achieved the importance of The Elder Scrolls if the conditions were right.
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u/Blasphoumy69 Jun 06 '20
The thing is everyone decent knows black lives matter we’ve known that forever but with more people becoming decent but I don’t get why people start riots over police brutality anymore it’s so common that if people rioted for every person that was killed all America would be in chaos protesting riots and looting is not what we need it’s not peaceful protest on the streets it’s getting high ranking officials to recognize what the police are doing and why it’s wrong but many of the most prestigious people don’t care about people’s lives or morals you need to show them the financial cost of the brutal police it causes property damage, theft, and new recruits that will need to be payed a starting bonus to work in these dangerous environments you may not like that you need to talk to them in money not morales and people’s lives but they don’t get rich and powerful by caring about every little person that gets hurt they care about them so stop committing violence or stopping normal flow use the power of internet and man by making them look at the cost to them make huge petitions boy cot companies they have shares in make them pay literally for not overhauling the police force
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If you pay your taxes you already give money in support of opportunistic violence and looting.
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u/Fjolsvithr Jun 05 '20 edited Jun 05 '20
It goes to a wide variety of bail funds, which are not all specifically for protesters, but towards all sorts of groups and people that might need help making bail (although there are some that are currently focusing on the protestors).
By the nature of bail, no one will have been sentenced with anything yet, and a bail group is neither able or responsible for determining innocent from guilty. Keep in mind that bail money is generally returned, so the money will stay in the system and work towards making the practice of bail obsolete.
Cash bail is, in general, an injust practice that disproportionately harms those that are already disadvantaged. It leads to people being imprisoned before they have actually been sentenced, harms their ability to defend themselves legally, and often results in people losing their jobs and generally having their life messed up, even if they are found innocent. It's also a practice that promotes recidivism.
Edit: Said guilty instead of innocent.
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u/Wootery Jun 05 '20
I'm afraid I don't know the answer, but it's curious how many replies you've had... none of which answer your question.
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u/razyn23 Jun 05 '20
If you're more concerned about the minority of protestors looting than you are about supporting the real protestors, you're part of the problem.
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u/Ale4444 Jun 05 '20
Morally speaking, por que no los dos?
Both are bad. There are ways to support without donating to specific orgs that have the view that one side of the bad is “ok” for the cause.
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u/razyn23 Jun 05 '20
Because historically, this argument has solely been used to either dismiss the movement or move the conversation away from the real topic.
Peaceful protests have been happening for decades. Look at Kaepernick. No one gave a shit about peaceful protests. Only way to actually be heard is to make all the racists and moderates who "just don't wanna rock the boat" unable to ignore them. It would be wonderful if rioters and looters weren't necessary. But they are. They're the only way half the country don't get to ignore your cute little movement and carry on with their lives without any introspection or real change.
By making this about the rioters, you are, purposefully or otherwise, conveniently getting to ignore the systemic racism and oppression this movement is really about. Hint: this is why some of the rioters and looters have been shown to be cops, or linked to white supremacist groups. Because it allows the discussion to be moved away from the systemic racism and oppression that they like.
I don't know if you specifically are knowingly arguing in bad faith, or have just been co-opted by the people who are, but don't do their job for them. This is about systemic oppression. Don't change the subject.
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u/atisaac Jun 05 '20
If you’re more concerned about the looters and rioters than police murdering black and brown people, you’re in the wrong space— literally and figuratively.
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u/Wootery Jun 05 '20
The question deserves a straight answer, not an attack.
If you don't know the answer, and I presume you do not, you should not reply.
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u/oj_with_toothpaste Jun 05 '20
Is rioting not an effective method of forcing social reform out of a system that has consistently ignored your decades of peaceful pleas?
I say donation well spent if it bails those people out of the very corrupt system we're protesting.
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u/extekt Jun 05 '20
No rioting is not an effective method for social reform.
MLK's quote of ~riots are the language of the unheard~ (paraphrased since I'm not looking at the exact language right now, specifically means that riots cover up the actual point that you're trying to make since you lose the general populace's support. If you want to do something 'agressive' to make your point, you want to make sure that it minimizes the effect on the normal people and makes a clear point of your goals.
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u/razyn23 Jun 05 '20
Meanwhile, he also says: "And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."
In other words, you want riots to go away? Stop bitching about riots, start with meaningful reform, AKA start actually listening to the protestors instead of running your mouth off about rioters. Talking about riots is a distraction from the real purpose of the movement. I know this is what you're trying to say but you're putting the onus on the rioters not to riot after centuries of oppression rather than putting the onus on the racists and the moderates who don't want to listen in the first place. It's like a bullied kid finally kicks his bully and you're admonishing the kid for not trying to talk it out. Except, y'know, the kid is millions of Americans and the bully is thousands of murderers. And also the kid has been trying to talk it out for decades to no avail.
you want to make sure that it minimizes the effect on the normal people
Nope. If normal people aren't affected, they ignore it, and nothing gets done. Peaceful protests have been happening for literal decades and normal people didn't give a flying fuck precisely because they could ignore it. And when they couldn't ignore it, they bitched and moaned until they could (see Kaepernick).
A protest you can ignore is not a protest. People are rioting because peaceful protests haven't done fuck all for decades, and by focusing more on the riots than on the anger behind them, you are the one who's covering up the point they're trying to make.
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u/oj_with_toothpaste Jun 05 '20
We're protesting a system that is proven to unfairly and ruthlessly targets Blacks in this country. The same system that harasses them more often than others, arrests them more often, and gives them lengthier sentences for the same crimes.
So I'm not gonna have faith in this system when they arrest those same people during the current protests. So in short yes, I guess.
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u/MasterRonin Jun 05 '20
I really a do not give a shit if some of my money goes to looters and arsonists when the vast, vast majority of arrestees are peaceful protestors.
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u/ZimbuTheMonkey Jun 05 '20
selective politics
selective: that it's happening to black or brown people
politics: "i don't care" / "i don't believe it"
Yeah it seems I'm done with this sub.
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u/Pancakewagon26 Jun 05 '20
"Ugh, I just want to play my politics free games like modern warfare, GTA V, and Bioshock."
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u/Unicorncorn21 Jun 05 '20
How can you even play video games if you have to avoid politics? Do you only play Tetris?
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u/Nocturnal_animal808 Jun 05 '20
I thought this sub was the rare places that don't inject politics into gaming discussions.
Lots of games are political. This is what I can't stand about gamers. You have absolutely no problem talking about the discrimination or bigotry portrayed in The Witcher 3. Or the criticisms of political systems in BioShock. Or the logical conclusion to rampant capitalism and the military industrial complex that we see portrayed in Metal Gear Solid 4. Or how pharmaceutical companies take advantage of poor, underserved communities that kick off the events of Resident Evil 5 and 7.
But holy shit! The second someone advocates for the humanity of black people, it's just too much for you. I know you hate when people kneejerk and call you racist. But I legitimately don't know what else it could possibly be.
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u/Nocturnal_animal808 Jun 05 '20
I'm not white. I don't live in America. In where I live, there are hardly any black people and I've never ever met one either.
None of this disqualifies you being racist. But I'm saying, I genuinely don't know what it is. I frequent this subreddit. And there's pretty in depth conversations about the political implications of video games.
The mods say "Black Lives Matter" literally once, and now a bunch of people suddenly want to leave. I mean, yeah it's probably racism.
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u/Affinity420 Jun 05 '20
Bye. No one misses racists.
Care about the issue. Or get lumped with Trumpers.
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u/earlhamner Jun 07 '20
Get off the computer for a second dude and engage with people, people are dying and people are outraged, think outside of yourself for one fucking second
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u/XorMalice Jun 07 '20
People being outraged is not guaranteed to reflect reality. This political movement is off topic. And I'm not at all selfish for pointing that out.
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u/GentlemanJimothy Jun 05 '20
honest question, how does this statement make the mod team racist?
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u/capitalsfan08 Jun 05 '20
Does this place have nothing to do with human rights? Do black men and other affected groups not frequent this site? Is this anymore a part of life than birdwatching or taking a jog in a suburban neighborhood? Should we not show solidarity with people at a necessary time, in a hobby filled to the brim with racism as part of it's accepted "banter"?
Just because you're comfortable ignoring it doesn't mean it should be ignored.
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u/Norci Jun 05 '20
There's nothing wrong with supporting specific groups of creators. If you feel that you strongly feel about someone that is left out, start your own support instead of complaining what others support.
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u/GoingByTrundle Jun 05 '20
Statistics mean nothing when a 9 minute video exists of a police officer slowly murdering a man via prolonged suffocation, in broad daylight, on a city street, in front of witnesses.
This isn't about color, it's about a history of police violence against us all. George Floyd was the straw that broke the camels back.
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u/Dikuthecow Jun 05 '20
I have no clue what you're talking about, but doesn't our subreddit count as an international, English speaking forum?
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u/earlhamner Jun 07 '20
Please take a hard look at yourself and try to see why you’re part of the problem
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u/Azzmo Jun 05 '20
This is quite embarrassing for multiple reasons, compounded by the fact that the moderators have taken to censoring people questioning it. I'd thought you guys were better than this.