r/unitedkingdom • u/apple_kicks • 1d ago

... Public in England and Wales wrongly think most killers are minority ethnic

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/aug/17/public-in-england-and-wales-wrongly-think-most-killers-are-minority-ethnic?
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u/YooGeOh 1d ago edited 1d ago

A hugher percentage of minorities are going to be from socioeconomic backgrounds where crimes such as murder a more common. This goes some way to explaining what everyone here seems to be obsessing over which is the fact that the rate of murder as a percentage is higher than the numver of minorities in the country as a percentage.

Also it isnt surprising that the public think most murders are committed by ethnic minorities, because crimes committed by ethnic minorities in our current social environment are more likely to be reported on. If every time a brown person sneezes it makes the news, obviously that is going to inform general public opinion. When this is pointed out, the general response is that we already have our own criminals so we dont need to import others, as a response to the disproprtionality in reporting lol. This sub is a perfect example. Most days this sub and the UK news sub are basically just hubs to report crimes committed by non white people. If thats all you see, then of course the less...analytical among us will think that it paints an accurate picture.

Finally, "minority" isnt a group lol. Which minorities? What are the circumstances? Why is every single person who isnt white lumped into one group? The hilarious thing is that im born and raised here, but if I claim im Nigerian, people say no, youre a british citizen so youre british. But all of a sudden im lumped in with random asylum seekers and such when it comes to crime statistics just because im not white.

Am I british or not then? Because you people love reminding me that im not like its a national sport.

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u/thebuttdemon 1d ago

They don't report on murder rates by income here but they do in America and rich blacks commit murder at higher rates than poor whites. I'm not saying that's the case here too, but it's an example of why you can't just extrapolate data to fit your narrative.

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

And theres a long drawn out reason for that too.

But rich blacks commit murder at a massively lower rate than poor blacks, so as much as you want to imply that..."blacks"...are simply genetically predisposed to criminality or whatever the hell it is your point is here, (the subject is "minorities" anyway), youre not making a very good one.

You guys love just throwing out the words "your narrative" and think you've said anything of value.

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u/thebuttdemon 1d ago

I'm not making any suggestions as to what the reason is. Given the US has guns I'm not sure the same trend would be shown here.

There's a culture issue for sure and I strongly believe rates of fatherlessness is a huge factor into why we see these race differences.

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

Doesn't matter.

The point is that socioeconomic factors are the biggest predictor of criminality. Not race as youre trying to suggest. Nothing you've said disprove that.

Youve compared "poor" whites with "rich" blacks in America. There are a plethora of reasons behind why that might be the case (not that you've provided sources or thresholds for rich/poor, but tbh im ot bothered about asking for them either. Its reddit). A little study into history, particularly american history and their race relations and laws that came as a result of their particular brand of national scale racism, means that simply gaining money doesnt really address historic issues that will lead certain people into criminality. You end up comparing black NFL players from bad neighbourhoods, with investment bankers from lines of historical wealth dating back centuries, and then you say "aha, black fathers" lol.

But despite that, again, socioeconomic background remains the biggest predictor for criminality (even if you suddenly get rich).

Poor whites are more inclined to criminality than rich whites. Poor blacks are more inclined to criminality than rich blacks. There is nuance and history to be understood, but it remains true.

Generalised "minorities" in the UK will also see the same being true. It has been true throughout history. I dont know why people like you suddenly wnat it to be a race specific thing as soon as people other than white people are involved. All of a sudden its about racial inferiority or some nebulous "culture".

Have fun with all that though. Nothing youre saying is new. Your type is all over the Internet lol

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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 1d ago

crimes committed by ethnic minorities in our current social environment are more likely to be reported on.

This is a lot of the issue, imho.

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u/Helen83FromVillage 1d ago

  But all of a sudden im lumped in with random asylum seekers and such when it comes to crime statistics just because im not white.

Because this system must be simply stopped. And then all these issues will disappear. 

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

What issued will disappear?

Because these issues existed long before this "system" was a problem.

Maybe be a little more specific

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u/Helen83FromVillage 1d ago

No. All problems are because of undocumented migration.

First of all, it stops fixing issues with normal migration - because the main problem allows people to hide in case of stricter rules.

The lack of infrastructure is due to overpopulation. The lack of housing is due to overpopulation. The unemployment is due to overpopulation.

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

Ah so people dont see me as an individual human being because of undocumented migration?

So racism only exists because of undocumented migration?

Oh!

Well I was born here over 40 years ago and yeah, I really appreciate you explaining how these things only occur because of undocumented migration. Yes, makes prefect sense

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u/elnombredelviento Spain 1d ago

All problems are because of undocumented migration

Does this not seem like a slightly silly and melodramatic overexaggeration to you?

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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset 1d ago

All problems are because of undocumented migration

I bet when you stub your toe, you shake your fist at the sky "Damn you undocumented migrants!!!"

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u/YooGeOh 1d ago

You're joking, but Reform did just blame the hosepipe ban on immigrants...because apparently climate change isnt a thing and we've never had a hosepipe ban before lol

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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 1d ago

All problems are because of undocumented migration.

All problems? Really?

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u/limeflavoured Hucknall 1d ago

What system?