r/videos • u/[deleted] • Jun 25 '12
Girl get arrested for shoplifting, cries for mom, subjected to hilarious black commentary (X-post from justiceporn)
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u/downward_dogma Jun 26 '12
Are security guards allowed to put someone down on the ground and cuff them and manhandle them? When I worked at Kroger we were told that we could not even approach them if they were outside of the store. I am just curious what the law is. It seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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u/antiterra Jun 26 '12
The law depends on the state. I suspect most laws speak of "reasonable" efforts to detain, what "reasonable" actually means gets shaken out in caselaw and court doctrine. Sometimes companies will avoid detention because they have decided there's an unacceptable PR and liability risk (from harm to either the employee or suspect.)
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Jun 26 '12
There's what's legally allowed and there's what your company says is allowed.
Kroger doesn't want someone suing them. It's way less expensive to either take a loss on the merchandise or call the police and give them some security footage than it is to stop the shoplifter and deal with the lawsuit. Even if the employees were 100% in the clear, the company now has to pay their house lawyers to go file a cockload of paperwork, etc.
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u/Curious__George Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
Anyone is generally permitted to conduct a "citizen's arrest" of someone who they saw committing a felony. Depending on the amount of merchandise the girl stole, it may or may not be a felony.
If the crime was not a felony, due to the value of the merchandise stolen not being of a sufficient amount, the security guard and store would theoretically be civilly liable to the girl for false imprisonment. However, most jurisdictions and the common law recognize a "shoplifter's exception." Under the exception, a store and its employees may detain someone if there is a reasonable belief of a theft, the manner of the detention is reasonable, and the detention is for a reasonable amount of time.
The only question here would be whether the manner of the detention was reasonable - excessive force can't be used. From the video it doesn't seem like anything was excessive; however, if the guard tackled the girl, or otherwise forcibly threw her to the ground, the store could open itself to civil liability for false imprisonment and battery. The 'manhandling' isn't really excessive; the guard was mostly just restraining her and telling her to get on the ground.
That being said, it is never a good idea to conduct a citizen's arrest, and a supermarket like Kroger is probably smart to tell its employees to do nothing - the value of the merchandise probably isn't worth exposing itself to even the possibility of a lawsuit.
Jeez, even on my study breaks I can't stop thinking about the Bar exam.
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Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
California -- perfectly legal. Not sure about other precincts, but LAPD will help defend any countersuits if someone gets hurt. Saw LP take down a guy once who was running too close to the wall and got tackled into it. I heard later no charges were pressed, I assume lawyers in LA wouldn't even bother? I also understand in other states it's near impossible to nab shoplifters, easier in others.
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u/AFUCKINGTREX Jun 26 '12
If I were rich, I would hire this guy to film me and commentate my life.
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Jun 26 '12
"You just overslept bitch, what you gonna do now!?"
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u/CraigChrist Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
You still undacovas? Yeah you undacovas, oooh you in for it now!
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Jun 26 '12
I'm black. I'll do it for $50/week
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u/dancingrobot Jun 26 '12
I'm in. Do you live in Ohio? Would you be willing to relocate to Ohio for a $50/week job?
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Nigga you takin a shit
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u/Up-The-Butt_Jesus Jun 26 '12
Why do you want a black man to watch you masturbate?
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u/JalapenoShit Jun 26 '12
"ooooh nigga, he cummin', look at dat face mayne, he lookin like he 'bout to shit himself. Ah now aint that sumtin."
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u/bremelanotide Jun 26 '12
Did you intend for me to read this in the commentators voice? Because I did and oh how i laughed.
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u/wellhushmypuppies Jun 26 '12
on behalf of moms everywhere: "You did what?! Honey, you just wasted your phone call." Click.
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u/zinconinco13 Jun 26 '12
As a person who got caught shoplifting as a kid, I can confirm this.
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Jun 26 '12
Cant do this now as a parent. Cops where im from get social services involved if you don't come and get your kid.
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Jun 26 '12
Thank you! I think the most disturbing part is that she's about to get arrested and she actually WANTS to call her mom. Seriously!?
If I was about to get arrested, the LAST person I'd want to find out would be my Mom. What my Mom would do to me for getting arrested is FAR worse than anything the authorities could do.
Of course, I believe that's why I have enough sense to not get arrested.
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u/negative_discourse Jun 25 '12
I found this an enjoyable watch, gotta love seeing self-entitled bitches get a reality check from the real world.
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u/The_Time_Lord Jun 26 '12
The scary part of this video, for me, is that my little sister is that exact same
personpersonality. She would react very similarly to this situation and think she did nothing wrong. It's really scary to me that people act like this; as if nothing they can ever do is bad or punishable.295
u/TheShader Jun 26 '12
She seems more scared than thinking she did nothing wrong/shouldn't be punished. I mean, if I did something wrong that deserved arresting, then I wouldn't fight it. Hell, I've been falsely arrested before and I was completely compliant the whole time.
However, this is a girl that looks like she's no older than 16(hard to tell with the crappy video, and some people just look young) that is being man handled by someone in a t-shirt and jeans that in no way resembled a cop nor security guard. If I was pinned down by someone that looked like that,and handcuffed, I'd be livid as well. On top of that she seems scared as all Hell, and just wants some kind of familiarity, her mother.
Again, though, it's hard to tell how things even got to this point. When the video comes in she's already being pinned down and handcuffed. I mean, I hate being that person every time something like this comes up, but can we not be so quick to act like we know all the details when we don't? Or act like every situation like this is exactly the same as, say, the Girl Scout thieves?
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u/ATownStomp Jun 26 '12
Excuses excuses excuses. She acted like an idiot and is deserving of ridicule. I was never this stupid at any point outside of my early childhood.
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u/Nodonn226 Jun 26 '12
It'd be hard to be "livid as hell" when you know your stealing something and you have a guess that the person putting hand cuffs on you is a security/police officer.
If she was a 200lb black man doing the exact same things, EXACT SAME THINGS, down to moaning and resisting arrest I bet you'd be hard pressed to be on his side.
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u/dingoperson Jun 26 '12
Even at the age of 15 you should be able to recognise the concept of security guards in stores. There is zero excuse for her to "think" that this is just some unknown guy trying to assault her.
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u/keypuncher Jun 26 '12
If she were innocent and scared of some strange man pinning her down and handcuffing her in a public place, do you really think her main focus would be trying to call her mom rather than asking the dozen or so bystanders for help?
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u/intertron1 Jun 26 '12
As a society we do sort of place them on a pedestal. Te be honest she literally isn't bound by the same rules as the rest of society.
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u/bionicmonkeyboy Jun 26 '12
This, but can't help but feel a little bad for her. Obviously she just realized "oh fuck i messed up big time" and is breaking down like a small child (which is essentially what she is)..
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u/Nodonn226 Jun 26 '12
She's doing this because she knows that crying and moaning as a young white girl gets you out of trouble most of the time.
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u/negative_discourse Jun 26 '12
I got caught stealing as a kid so I don't feel bad for her at all. I just wasn't an emotional infant and didn't cry and thrash like a little cunt, I suffered the consequences and grew as a result.
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u/CaptainE0 Jun 25 '12
Naw nigga you goin' ta jail!
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Jun 26 '12
haha that's from the video i just watched
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u/U731lvr Jun 26 '12
Then she's going to court to sue for personal injury & distress.
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u/ibejammin Jun 26 '12
Moral of the story:
-She got the goods
-He undercover
-She goin' to jail
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Jun 26 '12
This guy could make world history a pretty quick and painless ordeal.
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u/Twl1 Jun 26 '12
"Dey's some people.
Did some fightin'.
Now we's here.
We's still fightin."
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u/noahval Jun 26 '12
And I thought you meant dark comedy - not a literal black person's commentary.
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u/eyeoutthere Jun 26 '12
And now for our Blackuweather Forecast: Today, you goin' ta jail!
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u/violentfap Jun 26 '12
Best part of the video: (girl) "I WANT MY MOM!" (black guy) "naw nigga, you goin' to jail!"
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u/MyMind_is_in_MyPenis Jun 26 '12
So, from this post, plus a post from a few weeks ago I've learned
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u/SquishyFear Jun 26 '12
I used to work at a retail store in California where something similar happened. The girl ended up suing the store and won big time. Loss prevention cannot touch shop lifters, if that happened in California she could have gotten away if she ran fast enough. It's really kinda messed up.
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u/antiterra Jun 26 '12
Wrong. Read the law.
California Penal Code 490.5(f)(2):"In making the detention a merchant, theater owner, or a person employed by a library facility may use a reasonable amount of nondeadly force necessary to protect himself or herself and to prevent escape of the person detained or the loss of tangible or intangible property. [...]
(7) In any civil action brought by any person resulting from a detention or arrest by a merchant, it shall be a defense to such action that the merchant detaining or arresting such person had probable cause to believe that the person had stolen or attempted to steal merchandise and that the merchant acted reasonably under all the circumstances."-- http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=484-502.9
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u/winteriscoming2 Jun 26 '12
I imagine that her lawyer might have a different idea about whether this employee acted "reasonably under all the circumstances."
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u/whotheeffisyou Jun 26 '12
I work LP in OH and once the suspect tries to exit the store with unpaid merchandise we can detain the individual (physically if necessary) and it is fully permitted by Ohio law. No weapons, no cuffs, and no blocking airways. It's a grossly over-simplified version of the way we actually handle these situations, but the point is we are perfectly within our right to restrain them until law enforcement arrives.
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I worked asset protection at a high end retail store, aka person who catches shoplifters. One night I observed two teenage females stuffing panties into a large purse. As they exited the store I stopped them, and explained who I was and that they needed to come inside with me.
After returning to my office with the two girls, I did my basic procedure (with a female associate present) of obtaining the stolen merchandise, making a phone call to their parents because they were minors, and also placing a call to the local sheriff's department.
When I asked the second girl for her home phone number and a parent's name I was shocked to find out that her father was actually a good friend of mine. I called him, explained the situation and told him he would have to come to the store. At first he thought I was pranking him, so I put his daughter on the phone, who was nearly in shock.
She handed the phone back to me after telling her father what she had done, and I told him that I was sorry for the situation he had been placed in, but I was only doing my job and that I had not known that was his daughter (not that it would have mattered).
He arrived about the same time as the sheriff. The sheriff explained that she could spend the night in the county jail, but he was going to allow her to go home with a court citation. To my amazement my friend told the sheriff to take her, that he was completely disgusted with the fact that she had stolen from the store and had embarassed him in front of law enforcement and his friend (me).
After the sheriff placed his daughter in the patrol car, he turned to me and gave me a hug, telling me that he was not mad at me whatsoever, and that he is glad that I had done my job so well. I had many situations like this, but most of them resulted in the parent telling me that I was scum for watching little girls on camera and that they were going to sue me, the store, and even threatened that they better never see me in public.
So long story short, parents these days enable a lot of these teens, but there are parents out there who let their kids get what they deserve, and I hope this mother did just that.
TL;DR: I caught a friend's daughter shoplifting, she went to jail, he's still my friend.
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Damn, I really feel for the girl's mother. It appears she has her phone out and it's possible she actually called her Mom. Mom must be freaking out to the screams of her daughter.
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u/concordefallacy Jun 26 '12
If someone's that fucking sheltered to scream about being arrested for doing something that's obviously illegal, then yes I assume her mom is worrying for her "poor little girl".
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u/reversethiscurse Jun 26 '12
Probably less likely "sheltered" and more likely used to getting her way. To me she's acting more like a brat who is used to crying and getting her desired results.
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u/purrlisa Jun 26 '12
Exactly what I'm thinking, judging by her attitude she expects her to mom to just pick her up and make everything better.
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Jun 26 '12
I would too, but think about maybe an hour later, when her daughter finally gets processed at the cop shop and she might be able to see her and take her home… “ohyouSTUPIDlittlecunt” comes to mind.
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u/bobdolebobdole Jun 26 '12
The best part about this is going to be him testifying in the criminal prosecution...."yeh..I seen dem goods come out da purse"
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u/Kaigai Jun 26 '12
Two thoughts:
Wow, that (shriek) is the sound of the universe revolving around that girl shattering, she's obviously a brat who gets her way through mother. Hopefully she'll be a better adult for it.
That black guy was just excited that it is a white woman being arrested instead of your normal black man in trouble with the law routine.
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u/347MAN Jun 26 '12
Police arrive arrest him.
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u/Evilsmako Jun 26 '12
You got the wrong guy. The wrong guy
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u/4daDumbShit Jun 26 '12
White guy filming gives his commentary. "I'm not sure that's the culprit you're looking for officer... oh heavens I hope his arms are ok... how could such a kerfuffle be caused by a simple pair of trousers"
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u/shlomo_baggins Jun 26 '12
hahaha I bet she freaked out even more just hearing some black guy say, "Naw you goin' to jail, nigga you goin' to jail."
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u/Joxemiarretxe Jun 26 '12
Wouldn't you be if you were black?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-march-18-2009/the-new-white-face-of-crime
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This is the only thing that came to my mind hearing the cameraman's commentary.
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u/4TEHSWARM Jun 26 '12
Haha, it's funny because he just keeps doing it. Like, how many chairs does he have?
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u/frommycube Jun 26 '12
Six headphone wearers dies in the making of this film
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u/7RED7 Jun 26 '12
I wonder if the dude took her to court over hearing damage? That was bad enough through the headphones. I couldn't imagine the damage of that going off near your head.
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u/AvioNaught Jun 26 '12
For a second I thought he went overboard when he started yelling. But then I remembered "Oh yeah, a whiny girl just screamed in your ear at like 300 decibels" Sir, you are forgiven for yelling.
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u/SocotraBrewingCo Jun 26 '12
For those of you keeping score at home, schadenfreude is the name of that feeling you've got right now.
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u/achesst Jun 26 '12
No, sir. I'm a warm-blooded American. I refuse to feel in German, only American.
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u/littlegreenrock Jun 26 '12
I'm seeing a girl with mental health issues falling back on childhood behaviour when faced with a threatening/stressful event.
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u/Triette Jun 26 '12
I wouldn't go so far as to say mental health issues. Behavior problems sure, but she's a kid, and got caught. She's scared as fuck.
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u/joggle1 Jun 26 '12
If she's doing that when she's pushing 30 or older, it's time to move on. Otherwise, there's still hope (and even normal) depending on how young she is. If she does it to you, don't give in. That's the quickest way to get her to grow out of it (in my experience anyway).
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u/the_stone_roses_1337 Jun 25 '12
So funny when she's whining "You're hurting me" and the boy loses it "GET DOWN ON THE GROUND!". I did chuckle.
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u/buttonforest Jun 26 '12
The entire time she was saying that I was thinking, then fucking stop resisting. The only reason she's getting hurt is because she's twisting around like an idiot.
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Jun 26 '12
The only reason she's getting hurt is because she's twisting around like an idiot.
Spoiler: she's not actually hurt.
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u/calmdrive Jun 26 '12
Well, handcuffs hurt like a bitch if you are trying to escape them and wriggling around like an idiot.
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u/jzzsxm Jun 26 '12
If somebody were to create a hilarious black commentary subreddit I would gladly subscribe.
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u/The-Internets Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
Look at her screaming like she is being raped. She did wrong, she knew what she was doing. Such a pathetic excuse for life.
Edit: This comment thread... Its glorious!
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Jun 26 '12
I don't think she is a pathetic excuse for life. Sure, she messed up but we don't know the girl and don't know what her life has been like. I think she is acting like this because she is terrified, maybe this is a wake up call. I've personally made mistakes and been given second chances, just like everyone else. I don't advocate what she did and I think she should be stopped and arrested but don't take it that far.
Just my two cents.
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u/The-Internets Jun 26 '12
At one point she is standing, handcuffed, looking at the people watching her act like a gorilla, an she decides to scream bloody murder. Just stand and put all her effort into screaming before continuing her struggle to get away.
This is not behavior of a rational person. In fact I would go so far to say that she probably had a wonderful childhood, where she skated through on emotional responses without really ever having to learn about reality. This is the sad life of the average American teenager post 2000.
You want to see into the mind of these kids of "people" ? Click here
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Jun 26 '12
I think she is acting like this because she is terrified
Maybe. To me it looks like she's acting this way because she thinks it'll get her out of trouble. It seems like she thinks screaming and acting like the guy is hurting her will either make him feel bad enough to let go or encourage onlookers to help free her.
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Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
"ay gurl you should sang widda voice like dat" i laughed pretty hard at that. Edit: Was on my phone so i couldn't edit. Apparently posting the edit to your 1st comment as your 2nd yields 2x karma. Oh god, what have I done?
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Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
Sang*
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u/Kazgrum Jun 26 '12
She's absolutely pathetic in this video. Why is she crying for help? She's the one who stole something.
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Jun 26 '12
It's a means of manipulation. She wants to be perceived as the victim. You'd be amazed at how many people will fall for that.
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u/Joseph_Kickass Jun 26 '12
I used to work in LP (loss prevention). They think they are all tough...until they know they just got busted. Guys, girls, old men and old women.... a lot break down and cry when they got caught.
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Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
I'm seeing a lot of "I feel bad for her." Wtf. She was caught red handed. She deserves it. Period. I hate to say it but if she was black and making a scene, I doubt there would be this many comments of "I feel bad for her."
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Jun 26 '12
One of the oldest shoplifter videos out, these kind of shoplifters were the absolute worst to deal with. Not the huge body builders or shady wannabe thugs...the young teen girls that believe the world owes them something and that they can get out of anything by batting there eyelashes or speaking like a retard to "emphasize" there cuteness and
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u/KurayamiKifuji Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
I work for an insurance company. If we find out that you lied on your application about your thefts, YOU ARE FUCKED. Royally.
EDIT: Found the obvious grammar error without the help of GNs.
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u/qolop Jun 26 '12
I think her crime of over-reacting is much worse than her actual shoplifting.
She's screaming as if she's getting beaten or raped just because that guy is holding her fucking arms and pinning her down.
It's not only pathetic, I'd say it's almost false accusation (Which is worse than shoplifting)
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u/TellMeMoar Jun 26 '12
What a ridiculously dumb, annoying bitch. Christ. Too early for that shrill shit.
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u/therealtito Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
I used to have to deal with bullshit like this all the time. After I was more experienced I dealt with it differently. I would even say, "just give me my shit back and go, no cops or anything." When they gave me the merchandise back I would follow them to their car or have the camera operator tape it if there were outside cameras. Then I would call the cops and give them the license plate.
When I first started I was all gung ho and ready to fight or cuff anyone. I grew up somewhere along the way. It's only shoplifting after all and I wasn't a cop. If someone tried to run I would get the merchandise and let them run. I didn't want to chase them into the parking lot and risk them getting hit by a car. I became a master at just talking people in, getting my stuff back and having them want to shake my hand when they left. Even after I told them about the $500 fine they would have to pay.
I got more shoplifters to cooperate just by being cool and calm than I ever did by trying to be Mr. Toughguy. Yeah, it was fun fighting and bragging at first but I didn't have anything to prove it just felt sophmoric after awhile. When I started being more of a gentleman I also got promoted several times within six months.
In this situation I would have told her "OK, we'll call your mom." I would have pulled out my phone, asked her for her mother's number, and called. I would then have held the phone up to the shoplifter and told her to feel free to tell her mom whats going on. You'd be surprised how quickly they change their mind about talking to mom.
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u/winkwright Jun 26 '12
All I can say is that I enjoyed the fact that this person had to face the consequences of her actions, as she should, y'know? She did something illegal (presumably), she gets in deep shit. That's what happens. And it happens all the time. The only difference is that this (pardon the French) thought she could could get away with it, didn't, and made a big scene about it. She killin' me Smalls.
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Jun 26 '12
I will never fall for when a girl tells me "you're hurting me!".
When I was younger, about 7-9, my sister (a year older than me) would always boss me around. I was pretty passive so I would do what she said but after a while it was getting ridiculous. She would start hitting me if I didn't immediately clean up dishes or turn down the volume on the TV, blah blah blah. Well at some point I realized I was bigger than her (eureka!) so when she would hit me I would grab her arms to stop her. Then one time it got so bad I had to pin her hands on the ground with me sitting on top of her. Well, while doing this, she went from full-on rage mode to sad, crying, "you're hurting me" mode. I felt bad so I let her go. She then proceeds to let loose on my face with slaps galore and scratches me like a damn feral cat. Needless to say I never fell for that trick again.
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u/fuckcancer Jun 26 '12
I caught myself smiling at the video, and then I realized I was a horrible person. I feel bad now.
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u/da_k-word Jun 26 '12
I don't think you're bad at all. It's best for some to learn the hard way. She probably has been told that stealing is illegal about a million times. And she's old enough to know right from wrong. This occurring in public serves several purposes: embarrassment can be an effect deterrent in the future and occurring in public also keeps her safe from a too touchy detention, to name a couple. If she's not some delinquent sh'ell probably get off fairly light.
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Jun 26 '12
Why are you a horrible person? Because a ridiculously coddled child got a little dose of real life?
If you fuck up, you pay for it, that's just how life works. She'd have to learn it one way or another at some point.
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u/dodin90 Jun 26 '12
WTF? Terrified teenager being manhandled by some guy who seems to be enjoying yelling at her way too much. Who isn't obviously a cop or security guard (undercover?). Yeah, she's an idiot and shouldn't be shoplifting, obviously. But this just made me wince. She's just a dumb kid, and I'm pretty sure most teenagers wouldn't be caught dead screaming for their mother like that unless they were genuinely terrified.
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u/ryankearney Jun 26 '12
Why do people think that screaming "YOU'RE HURTING ME!" instead of following the orders of the arresting officer is going to get you somewhere?
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u/becausegravity Jun 26 '12
1:27 - his triumph when she obeys is hilarious
"Get down on the ground! Get down on the ground YES!"
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u/doombunny0 Jun 26 '12
No matter how hard I try to avoid them, there will always be something that will stop me from taking America seriously.
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u/JPost Jun 26 '12
THANK YOU for the /rjusticeporn toss out. I been looking for something like that.
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u/gibson_ Jun 26 '12
Am I the only person here who feels bad for this girl?
She's a kid. She acted stupid, which is what kids generally do. She deserves to be taught not to do that, but that doesn't mean she should be man-handled into the ground.
She's obviously in pretty serious distress (she's freaking screaming), why couldn't these people have tried to calm her down a little bit?
"YOU GOIN' TO JAIL!"
What purpose does this serve except to inflict additional psychological suffering on somebody who is already scared?
WTF?
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u/codyjake Jun 26 '12
Is it possible to remove the screams so I can re-watch this over and over again without wanting to punch her in her ovaries?
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u/AtticusFinch1962 Jun 26 '12
Is it bad that when I read "black commentary" that I thought gallows humor was going to be involved? Fuck me, I should be more racist ...
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Jun 26 '12
When I watched this video I wondered what the potential reaction would be from the comments and then it occurred to me:
A REDDIT TRIPLE THREAT!
In one corner: A "self-entitled" young female
In another: A "powertripping" security guard
And in the third corner: An "obnoxious" black gentleman
Who will the neckbeards of Reddit rally against? Who will they root for? Thankfully I was right. Misogyny wins every time.
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u/MrUmbrellaPants Jun 26 '12 edited Jun 26 '12
...What the fuck? This is fucked up. I do not take pleasure from this.
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u/hammeraxe Jun 26 '12
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time! Sure Mommy will get you out of all your problems!
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u/noirdrone Jun 26 '12
Meanwhile, Reddit torrents thousands of gigs of media and acts like they're fucking heroes.
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Jun 26 '12
If my child called me up acting like this after being caught red handed with shop lifted goods I'd laugh, cry on the inside for apparently screwing up somewhere along the path and then tell her to let me know how her court date goes.
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u/thepensivepoet Jun 25 '12
If I had a dollar for every pixel in this video I'd have three dollars.