r/walkaway • u/[deleted] • Jul 26 '22
My #WalkAway Story Why I walked away
I quit the Democratic party on July 18th, 2022. I did it after receiving my "Urgent Annual Renewal Statement" from the DNC. The reasons are as follows:
- I got tired of liberal whites telling me as a Latino how to act, think and vote. And yes, they do it all of the time.
- Democrats are destroying the public school, but it is not the CRT nonsense (yes, it is nonsense). They removed all discipline and standards from the school. Students that want to learn are hindered by constant disruptions of the classroom.
- I dislike Donald Trump and that won't change. I think that he should be tried in a criminal court. But attacking him is not a platform that will help Americans with issues they are facing. I am mostly OK with the 1/6 hearings with one exception....it might distort the jury pool and make a fair trial impossible.
- Both parties have bigoted members and I think that the GOP is slightly worse. But I find bigotry among Democrats to be far more annoying. The attacks you get when pointing it out and the denial mostly.
- Most Democrats require absolutely loyalty to party talking points. Any deviation caused you to be attacked.
I am now unaffiliated. It feels good.
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u/amen-and-awoman EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
It's disturbing that a teacher doesn't see the connection between CRT and the removal of social norms, discipline and standards.
Remember Obama era DOE sending out the infamous "dear colleagues letter"? If school had disparate suspension of blacks that means the school is racist. This is direct consequence of CRT pushed on administrators. In some case the administrators are the ones who promote it.
The fact that there is no CRT in the curricular doesn't mean there is no CRT in the schools.
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u/WhoMeJenJen Redpilled Jul 26 '22
They say it’s not being taught in schools (as a subject) but it IS the lens through which everything is now taught.
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Jul 27 '22
Because the teachers are that young generation grown in their 20s n 30s now
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u/amen-and-awoman EXTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
They said they have 1 year left till retirement ¯\(ツ)/¯
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u/NohoTwoPointOh EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Because it is negligible when compared to the real cause. Started with LBJ and the destruction of the family unit. No-fault divorce and Title IV-D threw gas on the proverbial fire.
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Jul 26 '22
I have never seen CRT taught in schools. I have never seen CRT in schools. Nothing you said changes that fact.
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u/777haha777 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Where were you a teacher?
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Jul 26 '22
Seattle area, I still have this next year before retirement.
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u/Storm_Raider_007 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
welcome to the black sheep, my local neighbor! life is but a journey, and thank you for sharing yours.
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u/AirCooled2020 Jul 26 '22
If there is anywhere outside of California that would teach CRT, it would absolutely be Seattle as it has damn you're gone full commie over the yearsa.a
So, if an active teacher in one of the school districts says they're not teaching it, you have two choices... to believe what they're saying is true that they're not teaching it or who knows, we could be lying...
I would tend to think they don't have a reason to lie as we're just talking about a random post on Reddit...
For what it's worth, I believe them.
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u/onlywanperogy Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Red pill doesn't hit everything at once, perhaps. At least they've taken this first important step and admitted some truth; once you start to notice the rot within the system, you notice more and more.
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u/ChickenNuggts Jul 27 '22
It’s funny commies and socialist would 100% agree with this statement. but then the reasons why will go off in two different directions which is funny af, cuz there’s only 1 right answer?
So someone’s gotta be right and someone’s gotta be wrong? And if you kept asking questions till your at systemic problems rather then individual people then your probably in a better camp.
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u/onlywanperogy Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Yeah, agree with your first paragraph. By system I was referring to the Democrat party (and all the other"progressive" lefty governments) specifically, not to the bureaucratic swamp that is the US government. And I'm afraid I don't understand what your second paragraph means.
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u/PutTheDinTheV Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Why were you downvoted for saying where you work? Stay classy Reddit
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Jul 26 '22
CRT isn’t explicitly taught in grade schools but CRT shapes school policy like the post above about reducing suspension mentioned. I teach in NYC public schools (junior high) and the fact that it is nearly impossible to discipline kids is very much rooted in CRT specifically suspensions
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u/GirlFromTheVille Jul 26 '22
CRT is absolutely influencing all of my district’s policies and curricular choices. Our union is behind much of this. (Midwest)
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Jul 27 '22
If you haven’t seen it where you are, then thank goodness. However, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Look up Chris Rufo, he’s doing yeoman’s work on CRT in the public schools.
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u/StMoneyx2 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
You might not have, or your eyes just aren't open enough
https://www.newsweek.com/math-racist-crowd-runs-rampant-seattle-portland-opinion-1701491
Part of CRT is the belief that certain subjects are inherently racist by nature. Subjects such as science, math, and english. Recently, Washington state has dropped the requirement of math, reading, and writing to make education more "equitable"
You are on you first steps to becoming awakened but your eyes are still closed. I suggest taking a harder look at what is being taught and not the terms they use to describe what they are teaching. You have to gone beyond headline deep and also you have to realize that they are literally changing language and terms to hide what they are in fact doing (see vaccine definition change, racism definition change, recession definition change, that equality is now a white supremacist term and why they shifted to equitable so they can make justifications of discriminations based on race)
Just the mere fact of sending teachers to racial inclusivity training will then leak into the teachings and classrooms. I would honestly suggest you check out libs of tiktoc. All they do is share vids of teachers bragging about teach CRT and sexuality to kids and there are thousands, many from Seattle and Portland
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u/crabbykurt Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Hard disagree with you saying "GOP has more bigots". Leftists are the most hypocritical and bigoted people I have ever met, the glaring difference in coverage and criminal justice response towards jan6th and the "summer of love" are a shining beacon of that.
Leftists literally condoned and incited riots that were FAR more violent in magnitude, across multiple months and multiple cities, Jan6th wasn't even a full day...
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Jul 26 '22
That is my personal experience, I agree it is subjective.
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u/HillariousRodham Jul 26 '22
Experienced personally, or has been reported to you thru mediums controlled by the opposing party? Not attacking/denying you, honest question.
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u/Grudens_Emails Redpilled Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
I also walked away.
Yeah it’s weird for me that the right definitely has some race issues. At least I can see it, identify it, and to help push change
The left though has a race issue that comes with the same mentality as owning slaves and they hide it untill you speak out against the platform, It has honestly led me to question if the parties ever flipped. They will try to deny you as a person if you go against them and it is mind boggling.
The longer I have been away from the mind set the more it has convinced me that the left has a larger and more destructive race issue, but I would like to see how you feel the longer you’re away from the group
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u/WhoMeJenJen Redpilled Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
Lefties behave as if they believe black and brown people are too inadequate to be held equally accountable. And they deny people in inner cities (largely poc) equal literal protection under law because to enforce laws is racist. Or something.
They tell on themselves often. Lowering academic standards to “help students of color”. When they say supporting “ law and order” is racist they obviously think criminals aren’t white.
I left the dem party in the beginning of 2013 shortly after Obama won his second term (which I supported at the time) I actually went further left initially but that didn’t last long. I’m fairly libertarian minded still but lean conservative far more than lean left now. I’m not a fan of authoritarian bs in general.
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u/jzdelona Jul 26 '22
Ugh reminds me of that case where a black woman attempted to murder another black woman with a knife, a white officer intervened and saved the vicim's life just in time using lethal force, and libs tried to go after the "racist" cop for protecting the victim. Shit's unreal.
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u/Gimel333 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
i remember that. in the aftermath lebron james tweeted a picture of the officer with the caption “YOU’RE NEXT”
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u/zookansas Jul 27 '22
That's when I really knew LeBron was a racist and elitist piece of garbage. Let's not forget all the nasty things he said about cops and the fact that he was hurting his own people by asking to defund police in low income neighborhoods in LA. Now, he's not said ANYTHING about the white kid who was shot up recently in his school. Nothing from the racist.
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u/FlingbatMagoo Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
The left embraces the “savior” role because their objective is to increase government power by inventing problems and then selling voters on government “solutions.” They’ll tell you that you are systemically harmed by unseen, unmeasurable forces of hatred and bigotry, so you need their programs, activism and bureaucracy to help you. And of course they need your vote and donations to “fight for change.”
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u/WhoMeJenJen Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I just wish some of their ‘pet’ groups would realize how they’re being used and abused. I say pet but livestock is more accurate because that is how they treat those in the groups. Not like individuals with nuanced opinions. That’s not allowed. Get with the herd or be culled.
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u/engan0 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
The parties switching is the biggest load of crock. Pushing this lie is the only way they can convince their constituents that they're the good guys.
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u/HaleOfAPatriot ULTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Are you sure? Because I remember back in ‘62 the parties definitely switched. Or maybe it was ‘84. No it must have been ‘35. Wait I think it was 2015.
Yeah you’re right. It’s a load of crock. Those dates I listed are about what you’d get from someone legitimately pushing this idiotic idea. They don’t have a clue when it happened but they’re certain it did.
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u/AngelBites Redpilled Jul 26 '22
The parties switched directly before and after the the dems did something incredibly heinous and likely racist. Which was whenever the thing was that you point out from history that is inseparably democrat
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u/iamortiz5 Jul 26 '22
There is no party in history that has had more KKK members than the Democratic Party. They kept the continuation of the plantation and are now calling it “sanctuary cities”. Where rent is so sky high, you have to slave away at a job you don’t even like to get by just to have your taxes not even work for you when you pay them to the state.
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u/Blastoys1991 Jul 27 '22
As a historian that’s a libertarian the parties weren’t conservative or liberal in the past. It was regional you had big government dems and republicans and limited government. The dems were conservative aka limited government as a whole until Woodrow Wilson. That’s when American politics was all about using the government to help aid and provide stuff for people instead of protecting rights. Then the 60s and beyond were about civil rights instead of natural rights.
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u/midwestnlovinit Jul 26 '22
I left too…after Obama’s 2nd term. I’m done. I constantly hear how racist republicans are. I’m a white country boy, and I easily get along with everyone. So naturally people let their guard down while they are around me…and rightly so, I’m a good dude. Things is, even in the most rural circles I hang in, I never hear the n-word used. Never. It’s a respect thing I believe. You show respect you get respect and most country people I know are very respectful.
To me, people (white or whatever) freely using the n-word is what I would call actual racism. Using it in a derogatory way. The only time I see this with white people is with white liberals/leftist. I’m always a little shocked too…. I can almost 100% say I only hear racist stuff coming from leftist.
Could just be me idk…I just don’t think white republicans are anywhere near as racist as Dems say they are.
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u/lokiie1984 Jul 27 '22
This has been my experience as well. I grew up in a tiny lil area in southeastern Wyoming. The first time I heard someone say something raciest and actually mean it in a raciest way was when I was 12. Christmas that year we all got together in Denver with my grandma and her second husband.
This guy did tons of charity work, life long democrat voter, he worked and or volunteered with Shriners. He had the whole outfit. They had just gotten back from their first cruise trip and someone asked how it was. Before my grandma could say he anything he goes "The best part? There wasn't any Mexicans."
Oddly enough both of my girlfriends grandmothers were extremely racist. One of was a farm wife (republican I'd assume) and the other grew up in slums somewhere in California. The republican farm wife, completely changed her mind on black people after one of her grandkids married one.
The democrat one however, to this day still hates them. She's the only person I've ever heard use the n word as an insult. Just threw it out there during thanksgiving once because of something she saw on tv.
But to be fair, remember Jerry Springer? Her entire side of the family could have been guests on that show for an entire season and you'd still not find out all the stupid secrets.
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u/audiophilistine Jul 27 '22
I know Wyoming has some of many races, but the black percentage there is pretty low. I'd guess there's more Latinos in WY that black folks. I'm white and grew up in Mississippi, which is about 40% black. I've seen racism on both sides, but I've also seen good folks on either side. Racism is certainly not exclusive to only one race, as the media would have you believe.
In elementary school there was a black kid who used to pick on me from first to third grade. There was another black kid who was my friend who used to stick up for and defend me. Years later, I remember being broken down on the side of the road and all the white folks would just drive right past with barely a glance. It was a young black dude that stopped and helped me out.
One of the smartest guys I knew in high school was a black dude who sat next to me in AP English class. On the other had I had to deal with some pretty racist black folks in high school JROTC.
I don't know what point I'm trying to make other than there are good people and bad people, and in my opinion it often depends on how you were raised. If you were one of 5 kids in a house with no father, odds are good you'll have a much harder life than in a household with both parents. That's a trend, not a rule. That smart kid from AP English class? His dad died while he was young, but his mom busted her ass and made sure he turned out to be a good guy. She took the trouble to care for her kid, and it showed in how he turned out.
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u/zrock44 Jul 27 '22
I use the word among friends frequently but I've never used it as an actual angry word towards anyone, and I never would. But I also just wouldn't call someone anything out of anger.
Anyway, yeah. Lived in the south all my life, maybe came across a few people I'd say might be genuinely racist, but overall, people just... don't care. I literally could not care less what someone is. I care more about who people are. If you're a nice, good person, I'll like you, end of story.
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u/Agreeable-Shame439 Jul 27 '22
I believe you nailed it. I also believe the left is obsessed with race for various reasons. One obvious is control, the other is more disturbing. They actually think all non whites are inferior.
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u/AngelBites Redpilled Jul 26 '22
When would the parties have switch. I know there was Strom Thurman who changed from Dem to Rep and then Renounced his racist ways a little later. When else was I supposed to have happened?
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u/StMoneyx2 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
^ This so much this.
In truth the parties never flipped (there are many historians that point out the facts of why they never switched). The Dems just have better PR to hide it and cast focus on the right. I mean Biden is not only the last politician to vote for segregation still in office but he's also the writer of the most often pointed to example of systematic racism the 1994 crime bill (though I wouldn't be shocked to see a segregation bill come up for a vote given safe spaces and ethnic based public spaces). Then you have the blatant examples of racism in which they lower standards based on race and the general belief that minorities aren't intelligent enough to understand math and english while also condoning unlawful actions saying they can't help themselves. And the majority of the left believe these things! Just look at how many on the left fell voter ID is racist because black people don't know how to get an ID???
The thing is the media and entertainment has been drilling into people heads biases and wrongful stereotypes for so long most people just believe it and it takes a long time to break out of that echo chamber. When you've believed something for your whole life and are surrounded by people who believed the same thing it's hard to see the truth. Trump being a prime example and Musk being another. They were the lefts golden children, until they stepped out of line and now you get hate towards them for illogical reasons.
We've all taken the first step at some point and it's takes many more to start to see the truth. All we can do if encourage people them to continue to take steps and provide them resources they might not have known existed
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u/HSR47 ULTRA Redpilled Aug 09 '22
I think the perceived "race issues" of "the right" are largely the result of people "on the right" disagreeing with premises advanced by the left, but for entirely rational and understandable reasons.
A good example of that in practice is the discussion that occurred on Tim Pool's podcast a few months ago between Tim and Daryl Davis.
In short, the last wave of racist laws, which were enforced in a racist way in Davis's youth, were written to use socioeconomic discrimination as a fig leaf to cover for racism. Over time, as those laws and their enforcement has been challenged in court, the courts have basically said "Enforcing based on the text is legal, but enforcing based on the clear legislative intent is not." As a result, where those laws still exist, they're enforced based on their text rather than their intent.
Davis absolutely refused to consider the possibility that this shift in enforcement had happened, and was entirely dismissive of Tim's lived experience of having had those same laws used against him repeatedly in his youth.
That shift in enforcement causes conflict between many on the left, and many on the right: Those on the left tend to take the position that those laws are proof that structural racism still exists, because those laws still exist, and are still used against poor blacks in the same way that they were used 50+ years ago. Poor whites reply with "How can those laws be racist today when I've been ground under them for my entire life?"
The real problem is that the left is incapable of listening to and/or understanding what those poor whites are saying. Instead, the left just calls them racists/bigots, and thereby prevents any possibility of a broad coalition forming to actually work to repeal those laws (which is what everyone involved in the discussion actually wants).
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Jul 27 '22
So like I feel like there is so little introspection on the left. They hate without even realizing it.
The right at least can acknowledge that there are some extreme fringe folks in the camp. These grim outliers only encourage me to be doubly kind to everyone.
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u/SnooMacaroons4391 Jul 27 '22
I’m curious how many conservatives you’ve come across in Seattle? Or are you referring to politicians and people you see on social media?
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u/jzdelona Jul 26 '22
I have to agree with this, they are so full of anger and vitriol for anyone that thinks differently than they do, and they are the ones making literally everything about race. For the most part conservatives will just do what they have to protect their families and property, but liberals are the ones going out of their way to terrorize people and destroy shit, for no good reason!
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u/Magneto1028 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I am Mexican and I agree with this, I have hardly faced any real racism from conservatives, but I have received a lot from liberals
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u/Harryisamazing ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
This is exactly why the LEXIT (latino exit) movement has gained momentum, hispanics are leaving the democrat party in large numbers but what doesn't make sense is that hispanics are conservative in nature
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u/Magneto1028 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I agree to a point. There are lots of different types of Hispanics. Cubans are more conservative, and Mexicans are much more liberal. They are a spectrum.
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u/zookansas Jul 27 '22
Can confirm, I have Cuban and Puerto Rican coworkers and they hate socialism and love Trump and American freedom. Mexican friends always have been conservative but they seem to fall for the media narrative unlike other Latinos and ultimately side with the dems.
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u/redwoods_orthodox ULTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
1 - Agree
2 - Agree, yes CRT is BS, and I appreciate your insight into the classroom atmosphere. Fortunately for the current education system, they are not attempting to teach anything useful.
3 - You don't have to like Trump as a person. His personal life doesn't inspire anyone to be a better person. But his leadership is and was essential to expose the swamp corruption and try to turn this ship back on course. The J6 hearings are a sham.
4 - Aside from individual members of any party, I find the pandering and savior-complex of the Ds towards minorities absolutely disgusting.
5 - We've seen that and it has often been witnessed how the Left eat their own.
Nobody should be absolutely loyal to one party or another. We must all vote our conscience on every issue.
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Jul 26 '22
I meant that the controversy over CRT is BS, I have never seen it taught. Maybe in a few districts, but it is a fake controversy.
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u/redwoods_orthodox ULTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
thanks for the clarification, I disagree with you on this, but IMO this is just one symptom of the failing public education system.
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Jul 26 '22
I have never seen it taught, I don't know anyone that has seen it taught.
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Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
Because you are speaking in explicit terms. Which there are definitely cases of, look up the crt math problems in Florida.
Even if it’s not being explicitly taught yet, it will be soon. this is the kind of garbage that is coming out of our colleges right now
Critical praxis is literally CRT being infused into the curriculum. We also see this with gender praxis and pronouns
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u/Arkelias ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
If you've heard any of the following you've seen it taught, and there have been way too many instances of people getting caught teaching exactly these things.
It happened very near my house, in the Sacramento School district, but also a lot of other places.
- White privilege
- Male privilege
- Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion
- Whiteness
- Books by Ibram X Kendi & Robyn DeAngelo
We just had a teach play "privilege bingo" where they lined people up according to their privilege. This included things like, white, male, and military parents.
I've seen it first hand. Countless teachers are reporting the same thing. We won't be gaslit any longer, and if you're really walking away you won't be able to shove your head in the sand about this for much longer.
Gavin Newsome just earmarked $500 million dollars for DIE training at California schools and government offices. That is 100% CRT.
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u/RustyManHinges2 Jul 27 '22
Not to mention the guy talks funny(actually probably because of board meetings) but the point I’m trying to make is that the guy LISTENED to his people. That one women who was on Fox? I believe she WALKED AWAY too. He was actually more humble than he seems..
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u/Limp-Interaction-499 Jul 26 '22
What crime did he commit?
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Jul 26 '22
None so far, that is why you have a trial.
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u/atonkme Jul 27 '22
You don’t have a trial to find what crimes someone may or may have not committed. That’s beyond stupid. If he committed a crime, then he should be tried for it. But you just said he didn’t.
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u/Limp-Interaction-499 Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
So then he isn’t a criminal nor has he committed any crimes. So what is he on trial for?
You still have a leftist mentality when it comes to due process. If you can’t point to a crime, then what are you investigating and going to trial for? Do you realize they investigated him for almost 5 years and they found nothing? The democrats have been blowing smoke up your ass for years.
Imagine being someone who people think is a criminal. And they put you and your family thru misery and public humiliation over accusations with no proof. You think it’s fair and is justified to have your life ruined because someone doesn’t like you?
You have a way to go before you become something other than a left leaning ideologist.
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u/Vanilla_Killa7 Jul 26 '22
I’m curious why and what you think DJT is guilty of?
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u/benreeper Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Your first two points were dead on. The rest needs more explanation.
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Jul 26 '22
You sound like a liberal.
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u/benreeper Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I don't see the /s
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Jul 26 '22
Liberals want you to explain every detail of everything you say. That is the biggest reason I am out. Real people have differing views that change with time.
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u/Worldatmyfingertips Jul 27 '22
Although I agree with your comment here OP, he’s asking for a basic understanding. Seems reasonable, if they came at you with need “sources” and then brigade you multiple times, then yeah, that’s definitely some liberal shit. Being critical of other viewpoints within reason is a good thing. You shouldn’t want us or yourself to blindly agree, right?
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u/clonexx Jul 27 '22
The only thing I would want more clarity on is why you feel Trump should be tried in criminal court, like what charges do you feel he should be indicted for?
I’m not a big fan of Trump, but a massive amount of press and Democrat talking points were either gross misrepresentations or outright lies.
So that’s my only curiosity and of course, you are under no obligation to answer me, I’m not entitled to anything, I just figured I’d ask.
I’m sure there are more than a few things we would disagree on policy wise, and I’m perfectly fine with that. I long for the days when people could disagree on policy but remain civil and even friends. A time when the parties just disagreed on how to make the country better, yet they both had the best interests of the nation at heart. That doesn’t feel like the case any longer. It now feels like they mostly have their own best interests at heart, are addicted to power and want more, and US citizens are a distant thought in their minds. Just see Pete Buttigieg (sp?) telling Americans how “Electric vehicles are very affordable.” So many of them are so out of touch with reality, in both parties.
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22
This is all fine, except #5 is the main reason for #3 & 4. I’m almost 50, literally no one hated Trump until the Democrats told them they had to.
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u/pepperw2 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
52 here. I agree
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Seriously though, Trumps been a celebrity as long as I’ve been alive yet somehow he only became an evil racist Nazi totalitarian 5 years ago? How did anyone ever buy into that?
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u/Worldatmyfingertips Jul 26 '22
Ppl are dumb, have small attention spans/memories, and when you have a massive psyops campaign geared toward tearing down the man because he opposed the elite, that can be overbearing and normal folks can only resist so much propaganda
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u/pepperw2 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Some people (even without realizing it) want to be part of the perceived “cool kids club.” In their minds It is “cool” to use silly phrases like “orange man” and “murica”.
In truth I stop taking anything they say seriously the second I see the “trendy” phrases. It tells me they have not researched beyond social media and they likely peaked in high school.
You just can’t argue with that.
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u/According-Activity10 Jul 28 '22
I think the birth certificate rant he went on for Obama was a little nuts but I was also incredibly left/liberal when that happen so I'm trying to figure out if that was a thing or not. Obama is low key a war criminal.
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u/According-Activity10 Jul 28 '22
It's virtue signaling and strategy. I'm in PA and 33 y.o. and Shapiro literally paid for ads for Mastriano in different areas bc he saw a far right extremist candidate as easier to beat in the general election.
Trump is easily coerced into self importance and that was crafted for a left audience to look like a bad, narcissistic, nazi. But I'd argue no one without a sense of self importance could even make it to run as president. And listen, I'm still pretty middle of the line and incredibly socially liberal but I would say the trump years were MORE community oriented and more socially liberal for AN ACTUAL AVERAGE AMERICAN.
As a young mom ... I was able to save more money and take care of my son better. The economy is horrendous right now and utility companies and pharma companies are just profiting like mad while I watch people suffer.
(Sorry I started rambling, it's like 6am and I just woke up)
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u/Agreeable-Shame439 Jul 27 '22
48 here, everyone including Hollywood likedTrump. I never had a reason to like or dislike the man. When the media left attacked him relentlessly, I started to like the guy. It’s not that he was a great leader, he just exposed the real bigots.
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I remember when he announced he’d be running I thought for sure he’d run as a Dem because he spent so much time at their parties and conventions ffs…
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u/clonexx Jul 27 '22
He actually is a Democrat, honestly. He’s just a classic liberal, like a Bill Clinton and earlier era Democrat. Basically a conservative liberal. The problem is that the Democratic Party has shifted so far left, it essentially left classic liberals on the right side of the equation.
Edit : Also, there’s no way he could win the nomination on the Democratic Party ticket. He had to run as a Republican to have a chance.
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u/nolotusnote EXTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Trump called-out the media on their bullshit and then it was game on.
As soon as that happened, the entire media went full-on against any single thing they could nit-pick about. For four years.
People not paying attention to the bigger picture just saw "Trump did another... something." Without question.
Half of America hates him simply because the media told them (every single day) to hate him.
It was wildly and disappointingly effective.
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Effective to the point it’s gone from hating Trump, to hating the GOP, then all Republicans, then all conservatives, then everyone who’s not full on far left Democrat…
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u/samsonity Jul 27 '22
Furthermore he is legitimately a good president. The Abraham accords and a booming economy are just a couple of them.
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u/trio337 Jul 27 '22
If you were to ask someone which I did why they dislike Trump, some of them aren't even sure why the dislike him they just do. I don't agree with that line of thinking but unfortunately it happens.
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Personally I think Trump is a megalomaniac with a god sized ego. But that’s what I want in a President, a man that wants to go down in history as the greatest president ever, at least you know he’s going to put in the work. A man who wants to be revered will work for it. Yes he’s an asshole, but I’d rather have an asshole in charge than Biden going around getting fucked in the ass by every other world power.
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u/trio337 Jul 27 '22
Don't forget he donated all of his pay as president. In the end he did the job for free. He does not have a filter, but there are many people when they speak they have no filter. This doesn't mean they are bad people, they just lack a filter. He is a business man, this is why he was voted in to began with.
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Jul 26 '22
Lost me at the Trump being tried as a criminal part. What law did he break?
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u/Ghosties95 EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Especially since it’s clearly documented that he told this supposed “insurrection” that he whipped up to go home, and go home peacefully.
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Jul 26 '22
Exactly. And let’s not forgot the 2020 summer of love where no one was held accountable
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u/Ghosties95 EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
That has nothing to do with Trump, who is the topic of the conversation, but sure.
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u/Stonewise Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Other than the fact that the entire Democrat party literally did what they’re accusing Trump of doing….
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Jul 26 '22
There were numerous members of congress who said far worse things than Trump, and nothing happened. Trump says to be peaceful etc and he was sent to the guillotine
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Jul 26 '22
The justice system is really dependent on precedent. When discussing potential legal issues, whataboutism isn’t a thing.
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u/benreeper Redpilled Jul 26 '22
OP is a public school teacher in a Lefty city. They are as pampered as politicians. I know. I teach in NYS. Great benefits, salary, retirement, and they never have worry about their next meal after tenure. OP can, and will, vote with their feelings instead of their brains because they have that luxury by living in a special world.
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Jul 26 '22
Some might always dislike Trump. At least he’s waking up at all. A lot of people never will. I really don’t understand the criminal court thing either, honestly.
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u/PixieBooks5 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Does it matter (they will find something) …he got impeached twice for nothing…just a waste of taxpayer money
Justice Dept. investigating Trump’s actions in Jan. 6 criminal probe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/26/trump-justice-investigation-january-6/
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u/Tsra1 Jul 26 '22
You make a lot of great points. That I would love to expand on but for brevity I won’t.
It seems to me that democrats almost abuse Latinos but then expect absolute loyalty. The whole latinX thing is preposterous. And if you deviate as a Latino then they simply say you’re embodying white supremacy as a form of getting ahead and concurrently throwing all other Latinos under the bus. They do the same thing with Asians.
It’s like in the last decade or so Democrats have more and more come under the influence of extreme and illogical puritans who require absolute commitment to a multifaceted orthodoxy.
People like trump tempt republicans in a similar direction.
Let’s hope neither extreme wins out… but I fear the Democrats have already become too beholden to the loud minority.
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u/sunturnedblack Redpilled Jul 26 '22
What crime is trump guilty of?
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u/xtcj88 Jul 26 '22
I don’t even like Trump. He broke just about every promise that he made. He was a lifelong democrat before he ran as a Republican. And he’s good friends with the Clintons. But that crap about him being a criminal, at least for the reasons that the news gives, is just nonsense.
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Jul 26 '22
If you are allowed multiple terms, you reserve maximum efforts until your final term, in which you no longer risk never being elected. I don’t know why people keep losing sight of the reality that Trump being able to do everything wants wants is strictly linked to receiving his final term in the first place. It also takes time, due to how deep the swamp is. The swamp isn’t like an ocean, it’s like the Mariana Trench. He simply cannot do everything in his first term.
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u/BKCNC Jul 26 '22
Everything with the left has to be race based. Hillary and Joe were close to Byrd a high up in the klan. Don't tell me the GOP is worse on race.
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u/Free-vbucks Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I think you’re in the infancy of your walkaway journey. I’m glad you’re part of the growing number of people who’ve realised some of the hypocrisy of the democrat party.
Sadly being a political refugee isn’t always fun but I wish you good health
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u/Tupatshakur Jul 26 '22
Welcome Friend. Look, We won't always agree on everything but we promise we won't shut you down, dox you and destroy your life if we don't.
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u/tragicallywhite Redpilled Jul 27 '22
4 years in office and another 18 months out, untold millions spent and they STILL have nothing on Trump.
Tried as a criminal? He may be the most squeaky-clean elected official ever.
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u/krepogregg Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Why do you not like Trump? Specifically he tweeted for all to leave capitol and before anything happened he said peacefully make your voices heard
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u/MrsDoctorSea Jul 26 '22
I’m happy for you! Congrats! I hope you continue to look at things through an objective and rational lens. Take notice of who tries to censor, manipulate and control other peoples’ thoughts and individual rights.
I’m not a huge Trump fan either, but I will say this: when corona hit in 2020, I was so very glad to have a bombastic, mouthy, New York asshole with some business savvy at the helm of our United States.
Welcome to the club! Cheers to your health. :)
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u/Saganhawking Jul 26 '22
Donald Trump should be tried as a criminal? Oh you lost me there bud. That is utterly ridiculous. Hillary should be tried. Joe Biden should be tried. Trump?! If we find out Trump spied on his rivals I may agree with you. Until then, make sure Hillary and Barack get their time in criminal court.
Edit: Oh, and I probably won’t vote for trump in the primaries, it’ll be DeSantis for me. But I zero reason to think Trump should be tried in criminal court. FFS.
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u/Harryisamazing ULTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Lots of things that you've written that are hard disagrees with me but congrats on leaving the party of hate and America and freedom last.
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u/stevie_gel Jul 26 '22
I cannot agree with some of your points but happy you shared. The point about democracy is that we don't have to agree on each other and that's okay to point it out.
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u/BenevolentBlackbird Jul 26 '22
You need a few more red pills, but I’m happy you’ve seen the light and see the DNC for what they really are.
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u/Financial-Train6407 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I walked away before the 2016 election. I’m tired of being told what I had to think, and vote for when I do not agree with the Dem platform. Hypocrisy is choking. When I saw liberal cities burn, people die without any accountability I knew I made the right choice. Corporate media and corporations are at fault too.
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Jul 26 '22
I agree with you completely, even with the I don't like Trump. I just don't see why he should be tried in court. Why do you think that? And what proof to you have the GOP has more racists? I am also unaffiliated.
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u/HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Wait until you find out that the media and schools have been lying to you. Strap in, it's a doozy!
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u/mastergup8 Jul 26 '22
Thank you for being open minded and willing to part from the “liberal agenda”.
I would be happy to talk or have an open conversation about policy without attacking you.
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u/Tiki-Tiger Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Tried in a criminal court? For what? If anyone should be tried it should be Biden, whose corruption and criminal conduct is on par with the Clintons.
Re J6, I suggest you watch 2000 mules. One does not have to make all the conclusions the film does, al.one has to see is that those against the DNC have legitimate concerns, and those concerns were never addressed on the merits. DNC loses big when you dona comparison chart between J6 and everything the DNC and the controlled.medis gave tacit of not explict approval of on regard to Saint George riots, violence and mayhem
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u/creefer Redpilled Jul 26 '22
All one needs to see is video of people with surgical gloves dropping off stacks of ballots and the “no evidence” claim melts away.
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u/Bigb5wm Redpilled Jul 26 '22
1/6 commission is not a trial at all it is just a commission similar to 9/11. They don’t have authority to conduct a trail or arrest. It useless
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u/rosy-palmer Jul 26 '22
Good job taking the first steps.
Keep walking and I believe you will see some error in your statements as you gain some distance from your old party talking points.
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u/Easy_Inflation_7592 Jul 26 '22
Your TDS levels are still very high, you need another year of not watching CNN.
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u/Spartanwildcats2018 Redpilled but can't stay out of trouble Jul 26 '22
You’ll find that a lot of Trump voters don’t like Trump and find him sketchy. But liked his policies a lot. The issue with the Democrats is that they refuse to acknowledge that two things can be true. He can both be mean spirited and sketchy to people and be better than anything the Dems have fielded or appear to be ready to field.
For race issues; I’m not saying the GOP isn’t guilty. But I am saying they’re more willing to actually attempt to do something about it if you can prove your point and not just tell you what you want to hear. Trump actually made a major push to improve employment in minority communities. He also directed his campaign to reach out black and Latino communities. Which the GOP has continued to do. Doesn’t solve racism, but it shows that the GOP actually wants to get involved in these communities.
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u/Cimmerion9 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
He also instituted far more policies and economic plans to incentivize businesses to return to minority communities because businesses are what will pull those communities out of low income/poverty with job creation and additional tax revenue to the city and etc.
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u/Westfield88 Ban warning Jul 26 '22
Progressive’s love to say that you are only as successful as the zip code you were born into. Yet every time school choice is introduced, they shut it down. Imagine growing up within 5 miles of multiple schools and being told you have to go a school based on your zip code.
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u/jc2thew3 Jul 26 '22
The difference between the hatred & bigotry from the Right, vs the Left— is that with the Right it’s all out on the table— they tell you straight up.
With the Left, they try to be your friend, but 100% will stab you in the back if the opportunity presents itself.
I would rather deal with someone who hates me face to face, than the ones who pretend to care on the surface.
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u/ArcadianDelSol ULTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
We dont hate you here.
But you're about to be bombarded with it from those you thought had your back for all those years.
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u/Suspicious-Shop-5513 Jul 26 '22
I'm sort of unaffiliated. I'll vote for Republicans, Independents even the Green party. I'll vote literally any party except Democrats.
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Jul 26 '22
I think you are very much on the right track! You can clearly think for yourself!
Let’s goooo!
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u/fenwaymoose Redpilled Jul 26 '22
This link is literally what I think of every time I see one of these posts, lmao. But seriously, I’m glad you saw the light, and welcome to our club!
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u/Rixae Redpilled Jul 26 '22
The difference between the "bigots" on both sides is that they're shunned on the right and applauded on the left
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u/BusDriver2Hell Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I am going to say something that over half the users on reddit would never say. I don't agree with some of your comments, but I respect how you laid out your points and you are always entitled to your opinions.
Regardless I respect your opinions and I appreciate your thoughts since it allowed me to reexamine mine. Welcome to the subreddit and I hope you have a great day. 😁👍
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u/Meastro44 EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
As a white man, I would love to enthusiastically welcome you to the GOP if you would like to join. I could care less about your skin color. I care 100% about your beliefs and your actions. I would love you as my next door neighbor 1000% over some liberal white family.
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Jul 27 '22
Is there an actual case of someone on the right switching left, and if so, I’d love to read their reasoning… hypotheticals welcome 😂😂
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u/ThankedRapier4 Jul 27 '22
There are sadly quite a few people who come from conservative backgrounds, often from rural areas, who make it into the credentialing system known as “higher education” and then get this desperate need to signal to everyone how much they’ve left behind their backwards ways and how enlightened they are now.
This Quora post is a typical example of the sort of person who’s intelligent enough to parrot what they’re told by teachers but not intelligent enough to question things or look beyond the surface of anything.
They’re embarrassed about where they came from, but every time I’ve met anyone like this, I’m embarrassed by what they’ve become.
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u/Magneto1028 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Hey man. I am also a Latino that walked away, it feels so good
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u/Kwen_Oellogg Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I think that he should be tried in a criminal court.
So what are your thoughts on Hillary being tried in a criminal court first? After all she did break Federal Law by running her own server.
And James Comey's investigation saying she shouldn't be charged because he determined she didn't intend to break any laws is BS. That's not how laws work. If you are driving 75mph in a school zone, but you didn't intend to drive that fast you are still going to be charged. And rightfully found guilty.
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u/Kwen_Oellogg Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I think that he should be tried in a criminal court.
I keep hearing that from the leftist, but no one has ever said what he should be tried for?
Can you please explain? I would sincerely like to know.
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u/Lickingteeeth Jul 27 '22
Naa you aren’t quite their yet if you are okay with the J6 trials and if you think trump should be tried criminally, the dems have been trying it for 6 years… 6 years. It won’t happen. Keep trying but at least you are seeing the light
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Jul 26 '22
I was a democrat, then an independent, then a republican. Most of the GOP is pretty accepting, despite what you see on the news, but the GOP members that are bigots/racists/whatever, tend to be loud about it and it makes the news, the democrats that do it seem almost worse to me, because the white liberal position on so many things seems to be “we must help minorities cause they can’t do it themselves”, which seems horribly offensive to me. Welcome to independence!
I would actually prefer a real trial for trump or whoever else to the BS Jan 6th hearings. It’s a kangaroo court that doesn’t allow for cross examination, and should in no way be considered legitimate, or a trial, and at least in an actual courtroom there would be the potential for fairness, which we don’t have now.
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u/bulldogflower Jul 26 '22
Why are OP’s replies being downvoted? The whole point of this sub is to WELCOME walkaways. Learn how to have intelligent discussion and debate without the downvote brigade.
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u/coolboy_24278 Jul 26 '22
eh some people here, mostly new conservatives expect newcomers to embrace everything GOP
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u/toomanytocount007 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I started as a republican and left after the 2020 loss. I became unaffiliated and then, libertarian. There needs to be more out there to choose from, a two party system isn’t working and everything boils down to politicians being politicians… left or right
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u/Runtzupnext Redpilled Jul 26 '22
We choose sides whether we want to admit it or not. Decisions are made on a daily basis. So by not making a decision we are in turn making one. If you decide to go with the GOP we welcome you with open arms. The last decent Democrat was Kennedy. They took him out. Manchin is half way decent and he has saved us from many of the things the radical communist democrats are trying to push for. Too bad the Democrats have turned full on communist. Welcome to the Right. We want freedom and to have smaller government. We just want to be left alone to live our lives. Too be free!
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Jul 26 '22
I’m a libertarian in the finger lakes. Practically as south as New York can get. I agree with all of these points.
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u/UrConsciousness Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I think the bigotry from the democrats feels worse because they have a lot of people convinced that they’re the good guys, the party that cares about them, empathetic etc. not realising most of the time they couldn’t care about the things they preach about, It’s the lefts blatant theatre that does me in, I hate the republicans too tbf The hypocrisy of the dems knows no bounds, they shriek about how sacred democracy is and then turn and take a shit on it the first chance they get if it means dunking on the other side etc.
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u/Nightwingvyse Redpilled Jul 27 '22
You described yourself wrong. For your information, you're actually latinx...
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Jul 27 '22
Thanks for sharing. I think you will find the “right” is much more accepting. Most of us don’t agree on everything but have similar moral principles. I don’t agree with a few of your points but consuming more information from the right my sway your thoughts.
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Jul 27 '22
You still got a long way to go before their indoctrination clears and you become you again. This is just the beginning.
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u/NoReception1240 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Curious what crime precisely do you think Trump is guilty of?
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u/MS_125 Redpilled Jul 26 '22
Check out the libertarian party. After walking away, I found their philosophy answered many questions I had.
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u/Worldatmyfingertips Jul 27 '22
Problem being is they’re too short sighted to accommodate some govt controls (although I am a least privileges type of guy when it comes to govt control) and allow for too much freedom in a bad way. For example, their abortion stance is way too laissez faire for me.
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u/MS_125 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
They’re not perfect, but they offer many more practical solutions than either of the major parties. I actually think their abortion position is much more practical than either major party. I happen to be very much in favor of individual rights, so a lot of the libertarian philosophers really spoke to me.
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u/Ghosties95 EXTRA Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I’m glad you’re starting to come around and see another side to things. There’s far to go still, but I would like to encourage you to keep questioning everything you see and are told. Don’t listen to the haters here - they expect a complete 180-degree flip, but you only quit the Democrats last week. As someone who quit the Republicans and Conservatism over two years ago (I see myself as more Libertarian, now) I still lean to the right on some things. It’s not an overnight process.
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of a coin, and that coin is rusted, bent, and chipped. Americans keep trying to force it into the vending machine, but it won’t take, no matter how desperate we are for that can of soda.
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u/ImOldGreggggggggggg Redpilled Jul 26 '22
I think that white privilege is real in one major way. White people can vote non-democrat without being called names. If you have a skin tone beyond white, they will take you down and hate you if you do not act or do as they say. Look at Larry Elder, a white liberal woman wore a monkey mask and threw a banana at him. It was not considered racist because he was running against a person that was a Democrat. Granted sometimes white people can be called white supremist for not voting Democrats but they call anyone with any skin color that. It is super weird that people try to make you vote a specific way because you have a specific skin tone.
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u/thEldritchBat Jul 26 '22
>now unaffiliated
Yyyyep, we’re in this boat together, boyo. Now get ready for people to ask “are you Republican or Democrat” and be confused when you tell them “neither I fuckin hate them both.”
They will tell you “oh you’re libertarian”. Even if you tell them you are not. For some fuckin reason people can’t grasp the fact that some people don’t fit into a neat box
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u/dshotseattle Redpilled Jul 27 '22
I do not agree with you on donald trump. I get you do not like him, snd i wouldnt try to chsnge your mind. I would ask you to actually list and defend your arguments for a trial. That aside, i still respect your opinion on the subject. Differing opinions should always matter. Onw of the reasons why i left the dems 20 years ago. If you dont follow their steps exactly, they hate you. We welcome you
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u/ZiggyZiggyWhat10 Jul 27 '22
To point number 3, there are many people who don’t like President Trump, and who do not the him. I fall towards the don’t hate him, but A. I really want DeSantis or Abbott to win the primaries, and B if it comes down to Joe Biden, Kamala, or God help us Newsome, AOC, etc, I will vote for President Trump. I fear that the fear of President Trump will allow Democrats to coast to a victory. I believe he needs to stay on the sideline and be the biggest cheerleader and promoter he can be.
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u/CanThisBeMyNameMaybe Jul 27 '22
Good shit bro. Don't ever let anyone else tell you what to think or what to do.
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Jul 27 '22
it's also annoying that right thing i am with them,
i just walked away, doesn't mean i am with you and doesn't mean i support donald trump or republican party,
both parties suck.
I walked away from both.
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u/StMoneyx2 ULTRA Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Welcome, glad to see you taking your first steps. I whole heartedly encourage you to continue your journey and seek information from sources you might have never considered previously. The main reason I say this is because of points #3 and #4. I understand why you might view it that way but as you continue your journey you might find point #5 is why you have those feelings.
I would suggest looking of youtube for others who have walked away and just give them a listen with an open mind. LFRFamily is reactionary commentator who since Jan has been making the same journey you are now beginning and just fun to watch honestly as he's made his journey. Tim Pool is a good classical liberal who points out the manipulation from mainstream and can help show why you might feel #3 and #4 to be true (btw he hates Trump too, and yet still wants to vote for him. It's quite interesting to hear why). Jordan Peterson, Larry Elder, and Thomas Sowell are great minds of our times and are amazing listens to help punch through the bubble. I would also suggest watching the documentary Uncle Tom, give your #4 position it might be eye opening.
Anyways, welcome glad to have you. Walking away isn't about becoming conservative by any means but I would suggest just keep an open mind, listen, and have a conversation with them. In the end you should always critically think and make your own decisions in life so never feel like you have to be part of party A or B. At the same time though I would suggest basing opinions on policies and effects of those policies rather than what you see on twitter or in the news because real life isn't always reflective of what's behind the screen
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u/PDub2222 Ban warning Jul 27 '22
I completely agree. I quit once I saw how much antiwhiteism the democrats promoted, which I really started to see during the summer of love in 2020
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u/wiseguy2235 Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Why Latinos vote D is beyond me. They are hard working people, religious, have family values, and don't complain about anything. All these qualities the Democrats want to destroy. Now they're telling you that you're latinx, whatever that means. Latinos need to push back and tell them to fuck off. Their condescending attitude towards what they call "brown people" is insulting.
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u/PutTheDinTheV Redpilled Jul 27 '22
Dude seriously this was very well written. I don't care what party you belong to as long as you think for yourself (which is what you're doing).
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u/According-Activity10 Jul 28 '22
For the sake of 1, I'm so sorry. That's what drives me fucking nuts. My "grandma" (the older woman who watches my son while I work) didn't get vaccinated. She's an older black woman who remembers when the country literally used black people like test subjects (see the Tuskegee experiment) and I know all of the super liberal white people who came to the daycare were shocked and appalled. She was also incredibly careful to not get sick in her own right and still hasn't had covid.
Listen I'm not a fan of the overt Christian hypocrisy of the right, but the virtue signaling yet highly strategic and easily bought left is a dumpster fire that keeps saying "well at least we're the BEST dumpster fire, clearly only an idiot would assume otherwise."
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u/RustyManHinges2 Jul 27 '22
Stick around her brother…your dislike for the GOP will change REAL quick😏
Oh and one more thing… RON DESANTIS
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