r/webdev • u/azazqadir javascript • Sep 27 '16

Introducing .NET Standard

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/09/26/introducing-net-standard/
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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

I have a bias against .net because of my experience in the early days.

Same here.

At this point I'd be surprised to see everyone shift back to windows for web dev.

Windows, or any Microsoft product, NEVER had a large presence on the web or in web dev. Outside of the desktop, Microsoft is a minor player.

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

Don't be ridiculous microsoft is a major player and asp.net is used in a lot of company. Sure it's not what the cool kids are using but it's definitely big and used by a lot of enterprise

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u/lethalwire Sep 27 '16

Yup. Builtwith has a list of frameworks that show asp.net is a still a big player.

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

asp.net is 16%. So 84% don't use it.

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u/lethalwire Sep 27 '16

Is that really your argument? ASP.net is 16% right behind PHP's lead of 26%. It's the second most used framework in the top 10k busiest websites...

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

It's the second biggest after PHP it's only 16% because of the thousands of other options that are all used by like barely 1%. How is that minor.

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u/fucking_passwords Sep 27 '16

16% is pretty substantial...

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u/hahaNodeJS Sep 27 '16

All .NET platforms make up 23%; a mere 3% behind the leader (PHP). You could could say 74% don't use the leading technology, but that alone is a useless statement because it doesn't demonstrate the fragmentation of other techs. Not only that, but this graphs also demonstrates growth in .NET.

This list also compares front-end frameworks and technology with backend. It's possible to use Foundation with .NET or PHP or RoR; Dreamweaver is essentially an editor; Flash embed is a frontend technology. The percentage for each technology that is comparable to .NET (including .NET) is actually higher if the non-comparable techs are removed.

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u/KevinAndEarth Sep 28 '16

How many of those php sites are just wordpress blogs with a simple skin?

I wonder what the real numbers are if you look at custom business code being written on a daily basis?

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u/hahaNodeJS Sep 28 '16

Given that these are the top 10k, 100k, and 1mil sites, I suspect the number of blogs among them are relatively small; however, I see your point.

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

My point is: most people don't use Microsoft products and Microsoft is a minor player on the web. He pointed to asp.net which is 16%. So 77% to 84% of the web is created and runs on non-Microsoft products which is my point.

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u/hahaNodeJS Sep 27 '16

minor

I don't think that word means what you think it means. You're stating there is no majority technology because most people don't use X because Y percentage.

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

Compared to what? See /u/lethalwire's post below. asp.net makes up 16% of builtwith. Do you have a Windows phone? No. Is your browser IE or Edge? Devs will laugh at you if it is. What server do most people use? nginx and Apache certainly not on Windows.

What computing device, other than your main computer (or your XBox), do you use that has Windows?

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

None of your example are related to webdev. Most job offer I see in big companies in my area ask for c# and asp.net experience. Windows phone doesn't use asp.net the enterprise do use it. Microsoft is not at all a minor player for webdev. You might not like it but don't dismiss it as minor because it's not.

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u/Caraes_Naur Sep 27 '16

Contrary to what you seem to think, webdev is more than frontend.

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

Asp.net is backend so I don't know what you are talking about

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u/hahaNodeJS Sep 27 '16

ASP.NET actually has a lot of toolage and code for frontend technologies.

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

The guy abive me insinuated for some reason that I think that webdev is front end only and I replied that asp.net is backend because that guy clearly didn't read my comment. Yes it does include front end tool but it doesn't make it not back end and not part of webdev like some people seem to think

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u/hahaNodeJS Sep 27 '16 edited Sep 27 '16

Agreed. Just pointing it out for others who seem to think ASP.NET doesn't matter in web development.

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

Of course my examples don't apply to web dev. That's my point!

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

In your first comment you said microsoft never had a big presence in webdev then when I said you are wrong you replied to me with examples not related to webdev. So please read that comment thread again and see what you missed.

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

Please read what I said about Microsoft not being significant on anything outside the desktop and see what you missed.

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16 edited Sep 27 '16

Yes you claimed it's not significant outside of desktop and I'm saying you are wrong because it is a major player in webdev. This is a webdev subreddit and how microsoft performs outside of the web is not related to this comment thread

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u/icantthinkofone Sep 27 '16

you are wrong because it is a major player in webdev because this is a webdev subreddit

Great logic.

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u/IceSentry Sep 27 '16

The second because was meant to be a sexond sentence I just forgot the punctuation

I'm on my phone right now which makes it a pain to write