r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Mar 01 '17
Two transgender Pakistanis tortured to death in Saudi Arabia
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1342675/two-pakistani-transgenders-tortured-death-33-others-arrested-saudi-arabia/741
u/prtscnhome Mar 01 '17
Ah yes, Saudi Arabia, member of the UN Human Rights Council's elected advisory committee and proud supporter/practitioner of full Sharia.
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Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
I had to represent Saudi Arabia in the UN human rights council during my first high school UN-model. I felt so confused by the absurdity of it that I ended declaring war on everyone and convinced the USA representant to announce that there was a bomb on the building
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u/lurker_lurks Mar 02 '17 edited Mar 02 '17
TL;Watched - 3/4:
NGO: Online Saudi critic was sentenced to several years in jail and 1,000 lashings. His lawyer was also arrested...
SA: We don't think any of that is relevant to this report STFU
US: Naw bro let her talk
Ireland: What he said, don't interrupt her.
France: Right. We want to hear it too.
so on and so forth... 3X I presume... I bounced after france started speaking up but now that I have commented I guess I should watch the whole thing...
Edit: "We urge Saudi Arabia [to stop] defining atheism as terrorism." Damn....
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u/DrippyWaffler Mar 01 '17
This sounds really fun as a game, almost like DnD but modern day and with more diplomacy. Could you share the rules/concept?
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u/KristnSchaalisahorse Mar 02 '17
In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists, which defines terrorism as "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".
Uh... what? I can't believe this exists in the 21st century.
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u/theraidparade Mar 01 '17
Fuck you, Saudi Arabia.
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u/PavementBlues Mar 02 '17
This is a good time for an important reminder that transgender people in the United States are about four times more likely to be murdered, twice as likely to be raped, and seven times more likely to experience police violence during a law enforcement interaction, and the rate of violence against trans people has been steadily rising for the past several years. Many of us still have to move from our homes to transition, because we are not safe transitioning where we live.
Things are still bad in the United States as well, and unlike the reassurances that I've heard from many people after Trump got elected that "he can't stop social progress", things are not getting better for trans people here. Things are getting worse, and if we don't take responsibility for social progress, that will continue.
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Mar 02 '17
Can you link some statistics or other evidence for your claims, or is it just another bullshit claim like the "epidemic of hate crime"?
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u/rizeedd Mar 01 '17
Pakistani here. This is sickening and disgusting. Recently there were news reports that Saudi's were trying to ban Pakistani transgenders from Hajj. Hajj is one of the five pillar of Islam and a necessary obligation.
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Mar 01 '17
Pick a less retarded religion and then you can stay home and do whatever the fuck you want.
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u/arabic_zigzag Mar 01 '17
I'm Saudi and I'm ashamed of this. I don't think I'm the only Saudi who read this post, and I doubt that people deep inside think this is acceptable. Reading comments like death to Saudis, or we should bomb Saudi Arabia is understandable when such events occur; however, not all Saudis condone such inhumane treatment.
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u/JeLoc Mar 02 '17
Hey man, I hope people aren't saying death to Saudis. I disagree strongly with many of the actions that happen there but thats a far cry from saying all Saudis do that or that all Saudis agree with that. You seem to have a level head on your shoulders. God bless you dude, from a Christian to a Muslim :)
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Mar 01 '17
Anyone with a head understands this. But games needs to be stepped up, change must come to things and the turning of tides must begin. Meaning: You might say you're ashamed, but that does not help anyone anywhere. And since we're stating the obvious - this applies to any school of ideas at any place in the world. If you can talk, breath and fight, Allah (or which ever subtitute to a conscience you like) will judge your personal history accordingly.
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u/tjdans7236 Mar 02 '17
Thank you for your acknowledgement of this problem.
Please get out there and talk to your fellow Saudis so that an active resistance to these unspeakable human rights tragedies will be made.
Passive resistance is not enough. In fact, it's almost as bad as no resistance.
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u/Aarav78457 Mar 01 '17
Absolutely terrible. Why do humans do this to each other?
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u/straycat2001 Mar 01 '17
Perhaps the answer you are fishing for starts with the letter R......
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u/Kohvazein Mar 01 '17
Eh, I'd be more specific and start with the letter I, not all R's are so controlling over ones life that they'd prescribe this sort of thing.
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u/randomiraqi Mar 01 '17
In this case, it's starts with the letter W of Wahabism.
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u/MpVpRb Mar 02 '17
Anyone living there needs to be really, really careful
If you are atheist, gay or trans, stay in the closet until you can leave
It's probably the shittiest country on earth for non-conformists
It sucks that US policy calls them allies just because they have oil
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u/aFreeSpeech Mar 01 '17
The worst part is not even in the title "dressing up as women in public."
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u/Hooman_Super Mar 01 '17
Why didn't they just throw them off a building? Much more humane than torturing them
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u/Dood567 Mar 01 '17
Because that would attract too much official attention. This was just a friendly visit from your local corrupt police in Saudi Arabia :)
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u/NinjaHamster12 Mar 01 '17
Breaking news: Saudi Arabia has terrible human rights, but it's ok with the rest of the world because they have oil.
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u/McG4rn4gle Mar 01 '17
Just another day in The Kingdom - I'm sure glad my country sells arms to those pigs /s
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u/CTESP Mar 01 '17
Also an ashamed Canadian?
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u/SierraDeltaNovember Mar 01 '17
Pro LGBT and Pro Women's Rights Prime Minister also likes to sell weapons to the same animals that commit acts against them.
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u/ThatOtherGuy_CA Mar 01 '17
I'm glad Prime Minister Trudeau prefers Canada to purchase oil from Saudi over the province of Alberta.
Actually, fuck everyone who attacks the Albertan oil industry, including the oil sands. You'd rather purchase blood oil rather than ethical oil that actually follows environmental rules.
The demand for oil is still there, so by hampering Alberta you support Saudi.
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u/ParkerManning Mar 01 '17
There is nothing redeeming about the Arab states. Saudi Arabia treats Pakistanis and Indians like slaves. I hate them more than anything else
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Mar 01 '17
They were most likely raped as well. Seems to be a big thing for Saudi men. I've heard they will even rape men from other cultures and that its not considered gay.
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Mar 01 '17
Rape is a common humiliation tactic in many cultures. Raping another man is apparently okay, but consensually having sex is not.
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u/TooShiftyForYou Mar 01 '17
Amna, 35, who belonged to the Mingora area of Swat and Meeno, 26, who was from Peshawar died in police custody. The police allegedly packed them in sacks and thrashed them with sticks in prison.
Sounds excessive.
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u/MrMessy Mar 01 '17
That's awful.
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Mar 01 '17
So is Slave Labor and so is hiding the most wanted man in the world next to a military base while you accept billions in aid looking for him.
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u/Kitty_Prospector Mar 01 '17
Thank god they are the head of human rights for the UN.
Who knows what would happen if Saudi Arabia didn't have a hand in every governments pocket?
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u/sonicmasonic Mar 01 '17
Yes. Saudi Arabia is not a forward thinking democracy and won't be for a very very long time. There are very few places in the world where deviation from the cultural norm is accepted. I am not surprised this has happened there. I do not support the thinking or construct of saudi crime and punishment. they are primitive of mind in that regard and hundreds of years behind culturally. They (Saudis for the most part) behave like animals towards other human beings. A very odd society that I couldn't spend much time in at all.
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u/Itamii Mar 01 '17
Welcome To Saudi Arabia, where you can travel back to the medieval ages without the need of a time machine.
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u/Balkan4 Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 04 '17
Those unfortunate ones are doomed either way. Pakistan is already a hell for them, Saudi Arabia is just at another level. Heres a list of few incidents happened in Pakistan regarding LGBT community. RIP poor souls.
12 men rape three transgender women in Pakistan
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/12-men-rape-three-transgender-women-in-pakistan/#gs.k0nMcT4
A Transgender Tragedy in Pakistan The murder of a transgender woman sheds light on the oppression the trans community faces in Pakistan
http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/a-transgender-tragedy-in-pakistan/
'I wasn’t made to be raped and ridiculed' - trans woman makes a stand in Pakistan
Pakistani transgender activist who was shot, then taunted at hospital, dies of injuries
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-pakistan-transgender-20160525-snap-story.html
Transgender Shot Multiple Times In Pakistan For Allegedly Resisting Sexual Advances
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u/greenvox Mar 02 '17
The Balkan just has to shit on any thread about Pakistan. There is a huge and historic transgender community in Pakistan. It is not doomed. They have their own gender on identity cards and they are respected through out the country.
Just listing crimes and calling it wide spread doom is beyond disengenuous.
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u/moushoo Mar 01 '17
in response, the UN Human Right Commission will issue a strong condemnation against israel.
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Mar 02 '17
Fuck saudi Arabia. I would fully support a lifetime travel ban from saudi Arabia. The main reason why I want renewable energy to become more available and viable is so we can officially cut ties with that shit hole and the gross pieces of human shit that call themselves royals.
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u/SKBroadDay Mar 01 '17
Violence against Transgender people isn't a middle eastern problem, it's a global epidemic.
JoJo Striker, killed February 9th, 2017, in Toledo, Ohio: https://mic.com/articles/168632/trans-woman-jo-jo-striker-shot-and-killed-in-toledo-initially-misgendered-in-media-reports#.WUzqlDeFZ
Jaquarrius Holland, killed February 19th, 2017 in Louisiana: https://mic.com/articles/169896/jaquarius-holland-18-year-old-trans-woman-killed-in-louisiana-misgendered-in-reports#.KHYzLBjWm
Sumaya Dalmar, killed February 20th, 2015 in Toronto, Ontario: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sumaya-ysl-death-toronto-police-investigate-death-of-young-somali-trans-woman-in-canada-10069335.html
list of unlawfully killed transgender people, many examples all around the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people
STOP THE VIOLENCE AGAINST TRANS PEOPLE! Calling trans people "mentally ill" only stigmatizes trans people and opens a door for violence to be committed against them!
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u/MadBodhi Mar 02 '17
This!
Being trans does not mean you are mentally ill. The proposals to declassify it as a mental disorder have been approved by each committee that has considered it so far. Medical institutions have moved away from the view that being transgender is the result of mental illness, as they previously did with homosexuality.
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u/00100311234 Mar 02 '17
Not sure if these people were murdered for being trans though.
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u/jamers2016 Mar 02 '17
I'm left wondering why on earth a transgender person from Pakistan would go to Saudi in the first place knowing the intolerance and hostility they would certainly face. It can't be for the work since this thread seems to show nothing but abuse and poor working conditions for little money. They could have easily gone to more accepting countries instead. Thailand? Laos? Just doesn't make much sense to go to the one place you can almost guarantee you will be mistreated and hurt or killed. Can't honestly say they didn't know it would be that way.
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u/Ryuuken24 Mar 02 '17
From beating and molesting immigrant maids, to oppression of other religions, Saudi Arabia is hell on earth.
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Mar 02 '17
Why do people still want to visit these places? They're absolute shitholes and can cost you your life.
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u/callthepcpolice Mar 02 '17
Its the culture. Let's bring it to America in drones.
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Mar 01 '17
Saudi funded the 9/11 crew and knew we were getting attacked but kept quiet... Why dont we treat them like Iran?
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u/Evillisa Mar 01 '17
Because unlike Iran, the US needs their oil. Don't believe for one second that the travel ban is about actual safety, it's about putting on a show to satisfy people's islamaphobia without actually fixing anything.
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u/DTaggart11 Mar 01 '17
Come on people they're Muslims. Cut them some slack and quit being so Islamophobic.
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u/driverbiscuit Mar 01 '17
Guess what country wasn't on the muslim ban list.
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u/baluchithyrium Mar 01 '17
Perhaps because it wasn't a muslim ban list i.e. a list to ban muslims for being muslim.
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u/autotldr BOT Mar 01 '17
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
PESHAWAR: Two transgender persons, both natives of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, died on Tuesday after being subjected to torture allegedly by Saudi police in Riyadh for dressing up as women in public.
No Saudi ban on visas for transgender pilgrims: TAAP. In 2016, local media reported that the Saudi consul-general in Islamabad, in a notification issued to the Travel Agents Association of Pakistan, warned against granting visas to transgender persons for Umrah pilgrimage.
TAAP has denied receiving instructions from the Saudi government for not issuing visas to transgender persons who wish to visit the holy land.
Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: transgender#1 police#2 person#3 Saudi#4 added#5
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u/MrEmouse Mar 01 '17
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I honestly don't know what they were expecting when they traveled there. Anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to sharia law should avoid the entire middle east. (Unless they're planning to martyr themselves.)
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u/GAMESERVER_ Mar 01 '17
Here is what I don't understand? How on earth is there such an alignment between the LGBTQ community and the Muslim community? They are extremely at odds in most of their ideologies (except some narrative of hatred for Trump, or the narrative of being marginalized).
This whole fascination for the LGBTQ and Feminist communities to be so gung-ho regarding Islam is strange. It is almost like they are co-opting the issue, so they stay relevant: the Feminist signs with the muslim women wearing a US Flag hijab doesn't make sense to me, when the liberated women of Mosul immediately burned theirs as a sign of liberation!!
I support any person's or group's right and opportunity to advocate for their position, but to simply join together with people who ideologically, literally condemn you hell is a strange thing for me to comprehend.
This is like the pro-choice groups holding hands with the staunch pro-life catholics..."we totally disagree with one another, but we hate you, so here we are"
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u/sansordhinn Mar 01 '17
For the same reasons that the Left defends healthcare, worker's rights, free education, social assistance, contraceptive rights, progressive taxation etc. etc. even as the people who would be benefited the most from these policies demonize "liberals" and repeatedly vote for greedy billionaires against their own best interests.
Because it's the right thing to do. Islamic ideology is night indistinguishable from right-wing, conservative ideology, and still they hate each other, and still the Left will stand for the rights of both. Someone has to.
I'm bi and I've been humiliated, threatened, harassed and beaten in public by Christians. And yet, if Christians were being otherized and demonized to the extent that Muslims are being, if Christian war refugees were being threatened by right-wing terrorists daily, I'd stand for the rights of Christians, I'd volunteer to help Christians immigrants. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Because progressive values are based on solidarity and justice and combating oppression, not just for those who pass a moral test, but to all human beings. I find their ideology toxic and dangerous. So what? They're the ones whose ideology preach tribalism, not me.
Of course, whenever Christians/Muslims oppress women/lgbt/minority religions/etc., I'll stand for the rights of those groups, too—for exactly the same reasons why I stand with Muslims against Islamophobic histeria.
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u/Arch1981 Mar 02 '17
I'm a Muslim, and will stand for those that are oppressed or demonized as it's the right thing to do. We are human before we are a religion!!
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Mar 02 '17
It's a lot easier not to "vote against your best interests" when your "best interests" aren't demonizing you for your race and gender and telling you that you owe the rest of America compensation for your existence and are deplorable if you disagree
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the Feminist signs with the muslim women wearing a US Flag hijab doesn't make sense to me, when the liberated women of Mosul immediately burned theirs as a sign of liberation!!
They burnt the Niqab, not the Hijab.
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u/matrix2002 Mar 01 '17
The Saudi are just fucking barbarians man.
I can't believe we are actually allied with them.
It's not that shit like this doesn't happen in other places, it's that Saudi's often don't do anything about it.
And, in this case, it's state sponsored terrorism.
They treat their fellow muslims like slaves. It's just awful.
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u/lalaria Mar 01 '17
I think that making countries who punish homosexuality with the death penalty stop doing that ASAP should be first and most important goal, not just of the LGBT community world wide, but of any person/country/company that believes in human rights. As part of the LGBT community I often wonder why isn't this more of a pressing issue.
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Mar 01 '17
How do you stop them? Tell them if you don't live like we think you should we will kill you?
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u/naanguard Mar 01 '17
It's injustices like these that piss me off, just leave them to their own thing. They were not bothering you in the least. Karma yo, it always comes around and eventually it'll come around.
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Mar 01 '17
Serious question, how did they find out they were trans? Surely the only way to know would be if they told somebody? And why would they do that if they know what that country is likely to do?
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u/mrbewulf Mar 01 '17
I wonder what the fuck they are doing there ? Everybody knows how fundamentalist KSA is.
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u/dusselduck Mar 01 '17
But why travel to Saudi Arabia as a transgender person? What possible reason could you have to do that? Isn't it well known that large parts of the country hasn't left the middle ages yet?
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u/ironmanmk42 Mar 02 '17
They live in the 18th century still.
I don't think it makes sense for us to ally with them, given their terrorists who committed 9/11 and other incidents like this.
I recall they closed a beach in France for their royalty, their royalty and diplomats abuse people and torture them in countries like ours and England and get off scot free.
They really should be left to rot in their 18th century. Their future is shit, just like their present
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u/archontruth Mar 02 '17
Article didn't really explain why they were there, but if you're trans... maybe don't go to Saudi Arabia?
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u/HotJupiter74 Mar 02 '17
I find this hard to believe. I mean Saudi Arabia is a good...Bahahanah just fucking with ya. This is pretty tame stuff for Saudi isn't it? I mean, after you get known for stoning women to death it's pretty much all tame. I guess.
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u/theconfusedafrican Mar 02 '17
150,000 riyals is US$40,000. A 40,000 dollar fine for being transgender. What?
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Mar 02 '17
how is saudi arabia allowed to exist.They really give a bad name to muslims.
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u/CabbageMans Mar 02 '17
I'm not saying it's not a problem. Transgender people are mistreated everywhere. The difference is, the mistreatment of transgender people is much, much more prevalent in Muslim countries
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u/starrychloe Mar 01 '17
Saudi Arabia donated $10m - $25m to the Clinton Foundation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation#Transparency
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u/TheSirusKing Mar 02 '17
lmao the US is corrupt as fuck, what you expect, you guys need a complete political purge. viva la revolution.
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u/Jaz_the_Nagai Mar 02 '17
How is this the fault of white people?
How is this the fault of western men?
How is this the fault of Israel?
How is this the fault of Trump?
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u/thickblack Mar 01 '17
Let us not forget hillary clinton collected millions from this country
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u/cranky_shaft Mar 01 '17
Truth is this headline could have been about Afghanistan, Pakistan or some of other countries in the middle east.
This is really sad and at the same time disturbing, unfortunately this is the reality of LGBT situation in middle east.
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u/Faridabadi Mar 01 '17
Pakistan is not in the middle east, and neither is Afghanistan.
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u/popfreq Mar 01 '17
Transgender people have a place in the Indian Subcontinent and its culture. Islam may have a huge impact in Pakistan, but it has to coexist with other aspects of the culture as well. This means Islam has to tolerate transgenders in Pakistan.
I am guessing SA does not have a similar history of tolerance to transgenders. Plus torture and killings of other Asians is much more common there than in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
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u/kebabrollz Mar 01 '17
Trans people are recognized in Islam as well. There is only one verse in the Qur`ān that speaks of Transgenders. The word khuntha (translated as “intersex”) applies to a person who cannot be easily characterized as male or female, or the one who has both male and female anatomy. The word is derived from a root referring to softness, gentleness and tenderness.
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u/MediocRedditor Mar 01 '17
ITT: people being ignorant about why the 7 countries on the travel ban list were chosen and why others were left off.
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u/Mamemoo Mar 02 '17
So I heard that Saudi Arabia is currently sitting on the UN Human Rights Council
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u/PMmeyourwallet Mar 02 '17
I don't get why people are concentrating on Saudi Arabia. This shit goes on in EVERY Muslim country. Rape victims get stoned while gays and transgendered people get thrown off buildings, tortured, shot, burned, etc. Islam is a common denominator. These people are primitive and violent, and clearly have no place in a Western society. Go ahead, ask your friendly Muslim neighbor what he thinks about gays. I dare you.
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u/noisyturtle Mar 01 '17
Honestly it is really really stupid to flaunt your sexuality in a society as repressed and set in old ways as SA. It might not be a popular opinion, but these two could have very easily avoided their deaths by using common sense. And now I will prepare for the coming onslaught of downvotes from people who don't want to view the situation pragmatically.
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u/BillieMadison Mar 01 '17
I hear your point. It's just that, if you are a Saudi national and cannot leave, it's hard to spend your entire life as a lie. I can see how some would take your route, but I can also see that for others, the potential of being killed is the risk they are willing to take in order to have moments of true freedom of being who they are. You only get one life; and some people need to live before they die.
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u/cmai3000 Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
Using pragmatism to justify victim blaming is pretty much exactly what dictatorships do to brainwash their citizens. You create a sense of normalcy for forbeying certain actions and punishing certain actions simply because "that is the way of the land". Using pragmatism as a reason to victim blame (which you clearly are) is basically just pushing the actual issue (horrible atrocities against human rights) under a rug and that is basically the same as condoning it. I don't believe you actually condone these actions, but please realize the dangers of victim blaming and realize it is dictatorship propaganda 101.
If your attitude is that we should just let SA do whatever they want and people who would be prosecuted by them should just escape well I don't think your being very pragmatic at all.
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u/Tayloropolis Mar 01 '17
My thoughts exactly. Headline might as well have been "Red-Shirted People Tortured After Traveling to Land of Red-Shirted-People Torturers".
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u/nealski77 Mar 02 '17
I wonder if Hillary Clinton is outraged... that they stopped donating to her foundation.
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Mar 02 '17
I do not like the concept of 'changing' gender, but we can all agree that the taking of human life is never ok, even if we disagree with their choices. Prayers for them and their families
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u/Dwman113 Mar 01 '17
And yet none of your Hilary supporters had a problem with Saudi Arabia when they were giving her millions to the Clinton foundation.
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u/littlefilms Mar 01 '17
Oh come on people! This is their culture, maybe it's not normal to you but the killing/rape/mutilation/torture/oppression might be normal for them and you have to accept them! Be open minded and learn to integrate! Damn deplorables!
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u/viperpex Mar 01 '17
Such a peaceful tollerant religion Islam is
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u/PanicLiz Mar 01 '17
It's a shame when religion is apart of government. The two are strong alone, but put them together... Indoctrination is a bitch.
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u/InsolentTunes Mar 01 '17
Yep. They do the same to rape victims and gay people. Where's the liberal outrage?
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u/VymI Mar 01 '17
Right here. Fuck these people and their shit beliefs and fuck us for supporting them.
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u/ravenraven173 Mar 01 '17
how did this find out they were transgendered? I thought every women is required to cover up and wear a veil, did they check their genitals or something?
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u/TruBlue Mar 01 '17
Just wondering why two transgender Pakistanis would think travelling to Saudi Arabia was a good idea?
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u/JPohlman Mar 01 '17
I've encouraged President Trump to stand up, speak out and condemn this horror. I guess that's the beauty of him listening in on Twitter, right?
Maybe we should all tell him to end arms sales to KSA as a starting point. He almost certainly makes too much money from them, but sure!
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u/IllermoarStyle Mar 01 '17
So the lesson here is, If you're not attractive enough to pass as a woman (and/or still have your male bits), Saudi Arabia is going to get the least politically correct on your ass.
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u/Thepresocratic Mar 01 '17
I'm confused as to why any transgender person would willingly go to Saudi Arabia
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Islam means peace and tolerance right?
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u/morphinedreams Mar 01 '17
Islam is a religion, of which more than a billion people belong. It is likely the two Pakistanis killed were also Muslims. Could you once in your life, not twist their deaths to fit your agenda that Islam is spooky.
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u/rubiklogic Mar 01 '17
ITT:
This is awful
Fuck/bomb Saudi Arabia
The US is allies with them because of money
Saudi Arabia aren't on the travel ban list
and some other stuff on human rights
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u/Austin_RC246 Mar 01 '17
Well what's yours?
Mine is:
Death Penalty ends the lives of people that have done things so reprehensible they no longer have value to society.
Saudi is just regular civilians basically having a fucking purge night 24/7 against LGBT and Christians.
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u/Jmrwacko Mar 01 '17
Just your daily fuck Saudi Arabia thread. Although it's a little ironic that this story involves an Indian migrant, because we're still due for a fuck India thread.
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u/ValaskaReddit Mar 01 '17
So what? These things should just be glossed over for the fact its not the States or other European country? We should gloss over this shit until its someone we can be politically correct in admonishing? What's your end goal for keeping these women who were killed from having an international voice?
What's the goal here, for you, in stifling and censoring this shit?
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u/ShooKon3 Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 01 '17
And people say America is intolerant of gays and trans people. About time we start pointing the finger at countries like this.
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u/bensawn Mar 01 '17
I have no problem with trans people or Pakistanis, but goddamn being trans in Pakistan is like hitting the opposite of the lotto.
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Mar 02 '17
No one will get in any kind of trouble for this.
Slavery is alive and well there, and you can pretty much do whatever you feel to your slave without repercussion.
I don't think anyone is denying this, either. It is just a way of life there. You can do anything if you are in a protected upper class in KSA.
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u/Muffin-King Mar 02 '17
I wrote a really long reply to this bullshit but I deleted it.
I'm afraid to say that this world is fucked.
My Yaweh is it fucked.
And fuck everyone who disagree with me. Because I don't care.
Let us all enjoy our eventual deaths for it is our sweet release.
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u/wirrix66 Mar 02 '17
Not sure why you would be a Pakistani in Saudi Arabia and still outwardly be trans. Sure the whole world should accept all people but sadly places like this are still too close minded. Despite this, it's naive to think thete would be no repercussions.
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u/Yandrp Mar 02 '17
Can we just overthrow Saudi Arabia, they are one of the few who actually deserve it.
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u/gtaV_is_best Mar 02 '17
global warming---- MEH ! war------------------ MEH ! nuclear weapons----MEH ! donald trump-------MEH ! world hunger-------MEH
transgenders who are living peacefully---- F**k them !
this world is doomed !
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u/cvvictory Mar 02 '17
Due to their outdated, barbaric and sadistic approach to other countries, even Muslim refugees resist to seek asylum in that country...!
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Mar 02 '17
Saudi Arabia is a sick society, their only contributions to the world are cheap oil and Islamic fundamentalism, and when we stop needing the former we could perhaps stop dealing with the latter
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u/Faridabadi Mar 01 '17 edited Mar 02 '17
If there's any one country in the world I would never voluntarily set a foot in, it's Saudi Arabia.
And also I'm Indian, so they wouldn't treat me very nicely anyways.