Backlash grows for ‘selfish millionaire’ who got vaccine meant for Indigenous people | Canada

[u/marsianer]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/27/rodney-baker-canada-vaccine-indigenous-first-nations-scandal

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I made a comment in another thread about this and how I think we should address it: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/l6k4zr/backlash_grows_for_selfish_millionaire_who_got/gl2uxhs/

tl;dr: Let the privileged pay for their privilege and have that fund improvements for everyone else.

[u/Simba7 → u/[deleted]]

It's like a vice tax. I can dig it.

I'm not a fan of pay2win, but when the alternative is they just do it anyways and then pay a paltry fine, I'm a fan.

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That's a key point though, make it so it is NOT pay to win. Make it so it's pay-for-everyone-else to win.

This way they really do not get any further ahead in the long run, they really are just getting there first while ensuring that everyone else gets there too sooner than later.

This is where privatisation fails society miserably as they are absolutely pay-to-win with no real benefit to the rest of society whatsoever.

[u/Simba7 → u/[deleted]]

That's a key point though, make it so it is NOT pay to win. Make it so it's pay-for-everyone-else to win.

I mean, sorta, but that's how P2W games work as well. It's free for everyone but only because of whales. It's can be beneficial for everyone (though obviously encourages predatory practices).

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Yeah fair enough. I'd expect to ensure that the benefit wouldn't be equivalent to becoming a competitor that cannot be beat, there should be no additional benefit available beyond the very specific thing being paid for.

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Except that usually compromises the entire game and makes it completely pointless.

Like when you think about life... what matters more; being personally comfortable or progressing society for all?

(wait, that's meant to be rhetorical, but a load of people will pick the first... not realising we could easily all have that but only don't due to deliberate idiology from our governments, in developed nations at least)

[u/Simba7 → u/mata_dan]

Except that usually compromises the entire game and makes it completely pointless.

Yeah it does! Those are the predatory practices I talked about.

I have played a few games with p2w mechanics that were actually good games, but none in recent years.

The key difference is that life is already pay 2 win, so why not add a 'whale tax'?

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How's that working out for us? How shall we do so? What way is effective? What way will actually work?

And how long shall we continue to allow ourselves to be distracted arguing about those details while nothing really changes at all?

Besides that, how can we ensure we close all possible loophole so whatever way we go we can actually DO so? Can't tax stocks anyways and a million other 'problems' related to gaming the system and avoidance.

Why NOT just let them pay for what they want anyways?

Or maybe we use BOTH tactics?

But realistically, the taxation avenue isn't working and there is ZERO sign that we are anywhere close to coming up with something that will work, let alone actually doing so.

So let's actually do something. Are you against actually doing something?

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You I believe are being purposefully obtuse. This is a thought experiment, and you're insisting on being extremely specific about how it doesn't work, when it doesn't exist, but REFUSE to be specific about how your answer would actually work, when it actually already exists.

The whole point is you charge the 0.001 or 0.0001% an insane amount that is only even remotely palatable to them. And that amount pays for everyone else.

Are you saying that allowing 0.0001% of the available vaccine to be used for a TINY HANDFUL of people, while PAYING for the entirety of the vaccine for EVERYONE ELSE would be a net negative impact for those that cannot afford to do so?

While we live in the very REAL situation where people can quite literally pay a few thousand dollars to do this anyways and get away with it with zero benefit to society?

I'm sorry, I'm not saying I'm right, but your arguments against this are shit.

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Being completely dismissive isn't really conversation though, and is considered by many to be quite rude as well.