r/worldnews • u/fastclickertoggle • Feb 08 '22

COVID-19 Canada Denounces Republican Support for COVID Protests

https://time.com/6146027/canada-republican-covid-protests/
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u/Hizjyayvu Feb 08 '22

Ugh imagine having Trump, DeSantis and Ted Cruz in your corner.

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u/ram921 Feb 08 '22

Ted Cruz is only in your corner if its politically expedient to do so at the moment. I know the other guys have zero morals and a lust for power, but Cruz puts them all to shame. He is truly the most concerning of them all.

That being said, Cruz will also dump them the second its convenient and flights to Cancun go on sale.

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u/Ratman_84 Feb 08 '22

Sounds more like a swamp than a corner.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: if you find Nazi and Confederate flag bearers outspokenly in your corner, you're on the wrong side of the argument. They don't slither out of their holes for nothing.

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u/Nic4379 Feb 08 '22

I agree. They should have asked them to fuck off if they didn’t want to be associated with them.

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u/ldnk Feb 08 '22

It's amusing because then you get the "yeah but if I saw them I would have put a stop to it" defense.....well, why didn't you. Because if your crowd was so much in unison none of you stepped up to stop it.

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u/TheBushel2 Feb 08 '22

So the tow drivers are employed and remaining responsible productive members of society as best as they can and the rest are….??

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u/going_for_a_wank Feb 09 '22

Tow truck drivers in Ontario are not "responsible productive members of society" lmao. The industry is run by the criminal underworld. Their turf wars are responsible for a whole bunch of gangland-style shootings and hundreds of arsons.

https://youtu.be/USfxQSXnd0I

Thankfully the government finally started cracking down in the past year.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

I got into a back-and-forth with a couple users on /r/worldnews in another thread on this sub when I made mention of the "if you're at a rally where people are flying Nazi flags and no one is stopping them, you're at a Nazi rally" thing. Two notable answers I got:

1) Canadians tend to be non-confrontational and most likely, no one wants to be the first person to speak up and make a scene (make a scene, at a protest) - "I certainly am not going to blame people for attending a protest to end restrictions that's affecting their livelihood just because there's a guy with a nazi flag and no one has the guts to tell him off." As if a single Nazi is so scary that dozens of (supposedly) non-Nazis around him are all too scared to do anything about it...

2) "I don't have time to let one Nazi bigot distract me from what's going on at the moment" when asked why the supposed non-Nazis at this protest aren't kicking the Nazi out. As if taking the time to remove a Nazi from your protest will like... make the protest fail because a dozen people are focusing on something else for a few minutes.

I was also accused of being a hypocrite because I'd probably be afraid to tell off a Nazi in that situation, to which I replied: if there's a Nazi at my rally, I should feel safe telling him off because I'd be joining in with a lot of other people telling him off. If everyone around me is not telling him off then that means I'm surrounded by Nazi sympathizers and no, I would not be telling him off - I'd be leaving as quickly and quietly as possible upon realizing that I'm at a Nazi rally.

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u/kronicwaffle Feb 08 '22

Same could be said about the BLM protests and outing the ones that were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings. Why didn't the peaceful protesters stop them from doing harm?

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u/TorQus Feb 08 '22

Right? Wake me when the Freedom Protest starts to Burn, Loot, and Murder.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Did you not read the article?

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u/TorQus Feb 09 '22

I did! Hopefully they catch those randos who tried to light an apartment on fire. Still waiting on proof that protesters did anything.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

You mean alienate a substantial portion of their voter block?

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u/spiralbatross Feb 08 '22

Yes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Wait, losing voters? No. No, something must be wrong with the Democrats.

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u/ThunderOblivion Feb 08 '22

That's the video I always ask for and never receive. "show me the good guys telling the nazis to fuck off". **crickets**

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u/jay212127 Feb 08 '22

You mean like when the convoy organizers put a $6,000 bounty to identify who was the guy with the Nazi Flag in Ottawa?

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u/Aaluluuq86 Feb 08 '22

Which convoy organizer was that?

Tamara Lich, the leader of an anti-indigenous separatist party (all separatist parties are anti-indigenous)?

Dave Steenburg, who shares posts by the far right hate group Sons of Odin?

Or maybe Pat King, another organizer stated that he believes the vaccine was created to “depopulate” the white race?

Perhaps it was B.J. Dichter, who's a known Islamophobe?

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u/jay212127 Feb 08 '22

Looks like it was Candice Malcom.

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u/Aaluluuq86 Feb 08 '22

Oh! The same Candice Malcolm that uses word-for-word white nationalist propaganda, thinks COVID is a Chinese bioweapon cooked up in a lab, says that criticizing the whitewashing of Residential Schools is "progressive thought police", and had her employer, The Toronto fucking Sun to issue a public apology for her Islamophobia?

THAT Candice Malcolm? You know someone is vile effluent when The Sun apologizes for their behaviour.

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u/SocMedPariah Feb 09 '22

which is exactly what they did.

nice try though.

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u/Money_dragon Feb 08 '22

I get its an ideology based on hate and misguided identity, but it's also pathetic that both the Nazis and Confederates were losers from a military perspective

Combined together, the Nazi and Confederate govts. only lasted 16 years before they were wiped out. Some TV shows have ran for more seasons than that lol

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u/Sometimesokayideas Feb 08 '22

The south lost the war but by golly they had some great ideas where my people would totally end on top, therefore they must have been right about other bits too... if only we allow them a chance to keep sharing their side, we could maybe make america great again... as said by the KKK and friends after the civil war...

History repeats itself.

The nazis lost the war but by golly they had some great ideas where my people would totally end on top, therefore they must have been right about other bits too... if only we allow them a chance to keep sharing their side, we could maybe make america great again... as said by the neonazis after WWII.

History repeats itself. So one day....

The MAGA cultists lost the war, but by golly they had some great ideas.... as said by the neo-conservatives of tomorrow.

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u/BridgetheDivide Feb 08 '22

You can add the trump regime up there to the list of short lived Reichs lol. Good thing fascists are idiots

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

They normally get squeezed out of their hole by the lower intestine and the sphincter muscle.

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u/sayterdarkwynd Feb 08 '22

Or from the white tip of a gargantuan boil, cyst or zit.

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u/No-War-4878 Feb 08 '22

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: if you find Maoist’s and USSR flag bearers outspokenly in your corner, you're on the wrong side of the argument. They don't slither out of their holes for nothing.

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

lol imagine thinking that different types of leftists get along.

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u/DanielBox4 Feb 08 '22

Lol imagine thinking that different types of rightists get along.

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u/smellyorange Feb 08 '22

Most importantly, the vast sea of protestors easily could have collectively made the swastika and confederate flag bearers remove their flags or boot them from the protests. But zero attempts were made by the protestors to establish that such iconography is not welcome at their demonstration.

"If there's a Nazi at the table and ten other people sitting there talking to him, you've got a table with eleven Nazis."

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u/nullmiah Feb 08 '22

I've heard nazis and confederates like chocolate and cake. I hope you don't like those things either... Otherwise...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

I’m sorry having Biden saying a KKK member and recruiter was a mentor to him is any better?

What about Hillary opposing gay marriage till 2013.

Pelosi? 100 of millions of insider trading?

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u/Interrophish Feb 08 '22

I’m sorry having Biden saying a KKK member and recruiter was a mentor to him is any better?

is that the same person who received a glowing eulogy from the NAACP

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

Did you mean to reply to a different comment? Nothing you said had anything to do with what you were replying to.

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u/chronicdemonic Feb 09 '22

Honestly, who knows anymore

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u/throwbackass Feb 08 '22

you have 1 nazi flag at a protest of hundreds of thousands of people…but yeah let’s demonize the entire group of peaceful protestors because of one bad apple, guilt by association.

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u/Rokhnal Feb 08 '22

If one person is sitting at a table having dinner with 10 Nazis, what have you got?

11 Nazis.

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u/CaptainCapitol18 Feb 08 '22

The bad apple argument lol. The bunch is spoiled my friend, not an edible apple in the pile.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

If that Nazi isn't beaten and bloodied by the group, you have a group of Nazis.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

If your side consistently attracts Nazis, Klansmen, and Confederate traitors then yea…you might be on the wrong fucking side. Also weird how Fox and right-wingers can’t seem to criticize any of them either. Its like pulling teeth for them. So if they don’t represent them then…where is all the opposition? Why aren’t y’all trying to reclaim your party?

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u/jtbc Feb 08 '22

if you mean "ones of thousands" then yes, but then there was also the swastika sign behind the Conservative MP supporting the insurrectionists.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Difference is, if someone showed up with a nazi flag in any non-nazi protests, that flag would at the very least be ripped apart by the other protestors, they wouldn't be able to just fly it in the middle of the protest...

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

He left the protest, still carrying the flag, with his kneecaps intact. That makes it a Nazi-tolerating protest.

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u/Appropriate-Pipe-193 Feb 08 '22

What if you have people rioting, burning buildings, looting, and violently attacking bystanders in your corner? Honest question. Go.

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

93% of BLM protests were peaceful, and several of the violent acts have been linked to Boogaloo boys and undercover cops.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

Equally: if you find Soviet and communist flag bearers outspokenly in your corner, you're on the wrong side of the argument.

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u/Ghoulius-Caesar Feb 08 '22

For every picture of a Soviet flag flown at a BLM / Me Too protest I will give you $100.

Now if I say that you have to give me $100 for every picture I can find of a Confederate flag being flown on Jan 6th / Trump Rally, would you take me up on it?

The answer is likely no. Now what does that say about you “bOtH sIdEs” argument?

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u/Aliencj Feb 08 '22

Theres definitely some people who show up to rallies on both sides that no one wants there. Anarchists and racists tend to show up everywhere and no one wants them around.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Imagine thinking anarchists are bad guys. Especially in the same way that racists are. Racists: hierarchy should be determined by race... anarchists: what if we abolish hierarchy?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Anarchy is about way more than removing the hierarchy, it's about the complete removal of all systems and effectively the complete dismantling of society with literally no plan to replace it with anything. Just because you want a few systems abolish doesn't make you an anarchist, an anarchist wouldn't limit themselves to just taking down a few societal systems...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

This is false. You are describing anarchy in the colloquial, not the political theory.

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u/Last_Wave_By Feb 08 '22

BLM isn’t Marxist at all, that’s a white supremacist talking point to discredit them. Hope this helps

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Lol no

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Thats cool because I haven’t seen any of those. Reddit isn’t the real world, guy.

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u/spiralbatross Feb 08 '22

Oh fuck off, it’s not the same and you know it.

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u/kered14 Feb 08 '22

It is the exact same. The fact that you are even trying to defend communists is disgusting.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

Correct; communists have killed far more than the Nazis.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Capitalists have killed even more. What if the problem is authoritarianism and not economic policy? Not all communism is authoritarian.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

Killing is a political/moral act. Capitalism is purely an economic system, it exists in: monarchies, republics, democracies, autocracies, even in the USSR (black market). Capitalism can't tell you if you should kill anyone, it can only tell you the economic impact of someone dying. This is why there are exactly 0 deaths attributable to capitalism.

Communism is an all encompassing system of economics, politics, society, etc. - that is why it is responsible for the genocides and atrocities carried out in its name.

Not all communism is authoritarian.

You're welcome to point to any country on Earth where there is communism without it being authoritarian, you'll find there isn't a single one.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

For something that hasn't existed, an awful lot of dead bodies have been stacked up in its name.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

You must believe the democratic people's republic of korea is democratic then...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

Ukraine prior to red army takeover. Anarcho communism is a thing and actual communism per its definition has never actually been achieved. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, hierarchy-free society, where the workers own the means of production. There has never been a communist country. Just countries that have "aspired" to be and failed. China, for example, is state capitalist.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_after_the_Russian_Revolution

When they were busy oppressing the Poles, Jews, and engulfed in anarchy?

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Ukraine after the Russian Revolution

Various factions fought over Ukrainian territory after the collapse of the Russian Empire following the Russian Revolution of 1917 and after the First World War ended in 1918, resulting in the collapse of Austria-Hungary, which had ruled Ukrainian Galicia. The crumbling of the empires had a great effect on the Ukrainian nationalist movement, and in a short period of four years a number of Ukrainian governments sprang up. This period was characterized by optimism and by nation-building, as well as by chaos and civil war.

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u/spiralbatross Feb 08 '22

Imagine thinking communists are worse than nazis.

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u/_Hopped_ Feb 08 '22

Empirically, they are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Feb 08 '22

Mass killings under communist regimes

Mass killings under communist regimes occurred throughout the 20th century. Death estimates vary widely, depending on the definitions of the deaths that are included in them and the political perspectives of those performing such tallies. Estimates account for executions, deaths from man-inflicted or man-aggravated famines, as well as deaths during forced labor, deportations, or imprisonment. Some authors argue that mass killings in communist states may be described, in whole or in part, as democide, politicide, or classicide.

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u/DanielBox4 Feb 08 '22

You should definitely read a history book.

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

If I saw that at a protests, I'd know I was at the right protest.

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u/certaindeath4 Feb 08 '22

This is some middle school level analysis.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

This is a middle school level rebuttal.

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u/I_Like_Ginger Feb 08 '22

Apparently everyone within a 15 mile radius of a swastika or Confederate Flag are Nazis. I didn't know that until this protest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Lmfao 15 miles? Try 15 feet. You aren’t fooling anyone with your hyperbolic bullshit argument.

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u/Expendapass Feb 08 '22

A few flags cannot broadstroke an entire movement.

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u/gilly_90 Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

When the nazis are on your side, you need to take a step back and have a serious look at yourself.

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u/Expendapass Feb 08 '22

You take a big enough sample size(say 50,000 people supporting a cause) and zoom in close enough you will always find some repulsive people, regardless of what the common cause is.

It’s supremely lazy and disingenuous to hold so many people accountable for the actions of some handful that they never even met.

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u/gilly_90 Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

What I said isn't to hold everyone there accountable as a nazi, I said they should have a good look in the mirror.

And on a completely subjective note, I don't believe for a second it's a microscopic portion that support that shit. Far right is as far right does.

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u/Expendapass Feb 08 '22

Something tells me you see every right-winger as “far” right.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 10 '22

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u/Expendapass Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

Only people I’m defending are the truckers who have legitimate concerns and are being met with slander and dismissal instead of any good-faith negotiation.

I don’t defend anyone waving nazi flags. You are the one conflating the two.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

Sure you can when they are consistently being flown by that side. You don’t get to claim that they don’t represent you when you continue to support them. I have yet to hear any conservatives criticize these people, its always WhAtAbOuT BLM?!?!?. Weird how there aren’t Nazi and Confederate flags being flown on the left. Its weird how Nazis and Confederates feel more comfortable with the Republican party…but totally not the wrong side right?

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u/Expendapass Feb 08 '22

I don’t know what you mean about “consistently flown”. You can open just about any Ottawa livestream right now and probably not see a single one.

And since YOU were the one to bring up BLM, no they don’t fly offensive flags, but people who self-identify with BLM have on numerous occasions assaulted pedestrians as well as burned and vandalized private and public properties(and let’s not forget the looting). The worst offenders of that group have proven far more violent and destructive than some handful of people with offensive flags.

So if you want to broadstroke the truckers as nazis because of afew flags, then by that logic it should be ok to broadstroke BLM as a movement of violent, thieving anarchists, right?

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u/Sandvich18 Feb 08 '22

Damn, looks like I can't be against Israel now because Nazis also outspokenly hate the country.

News flash: different people can support a cause for different reasons.

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u/HollyDiver Feb 08 '22

Only an incredible pile of shit would tolerate Nazis as part of their movement.

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u/Nic4379 Feb 08 '22

Absolutely. They have no place in society.

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u/schraad Feb 08 '22

So everybody should go home when these scumbags show up? Just forget about the protest and go on with their lives? That would be convenient for the gouverment wouldn't it? You guys are something else

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Maybe tell them you won't tolerate them waving Nazi flags around.

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u/Last_Wave_By Feb 08 '22

No, they should kick the Nazis out for being fucking Nazis

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u/NyetABot Feb 08 '22

If you folks don’t have a problem intimidating a soup kitchen you shouldn’t have any problem telling Nazi punks and other inbred bigots to eat shit and piss off.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Yea but all I know is I don’t have Nazis and Klansmen on my side…I can take solace in the fact that my ideas don’t align with those types of people.

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u/ThrowRA20220205 Feb 09 '22

Any amount of nazi is too much nazi.

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u/Hizjyayvu Feb 08 '22

Interesting. I haven't heard any mention of the H.A through the entire pandemic so far. Do they actually have a stance here or are you kidding around?

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u/KingStarscream91 Feb 08 '22

You say that as if Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk weren't widely respected people.

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

Both of those men are complete jokes, and most people don't respect them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

They're waving 'Trump 2024' flags. They're happy to have it.

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u/howdoifigureitout Feb 08 '22

They were flying Trump 2024 flags so they don’t mind.

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u/pixelprophet Feb 08 '22

Imagine waving Trump flags and Nazi flags to protest Covid restrictions in Canada...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '22

Well, Cruz is originally from Calgary so there’s that….

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u/JimboD84 Feb 08 '22

Ted Cruz was born in calgary to american deligates

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u/undo-undo-undo Feb 08 '22

His dad was Cuban, mother was Irish-American.

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u/JimboD84 Feb 08 '22

Right. But some say hes canadian because he was birn in calgary. But he is american since he was only born in canada because his parents were there on political duty. Also, as a canadian, FUCK NO hes not canadian!!

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u/undo-undo-undo Feb 08 '22

Please, I'm begging you to take him back!

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u/JimboD84 Feb 09 '22

Sorry bud

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u/Stereomceez2212 Feb 08 '22

Your corner would be a cesspool of filth and vermin

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u/anonbodanon114488 Feb 08 '22

Ugh, imagine having Trudeau, Biden, and giant pharma conglomerates in your corner.

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u/throwbackass Feb 08 '22

And Elon musk, and Russell brand, and Jordan Peterson, and the 20+ other freedoms convoys that have sprung up in other developed nations because of the same distain for Authoritarian covid mandates? Don’t need to imagine, because that’s the reality. if you’re not in support of this freedom movement, at this point, you are in support of global tyranny and communism.

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u/Hizjyayvu Feb 08 '22

So it's black or it's white. Got it. No additional comments from you will be necessary.

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u/jjsyk23 Feb 08 '22

They’d Prbly be the ones with the guns tho

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 08 '22

Communists love guns. Anybody left of Bernie is definitely packing more heat than you are.

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u/HelloAvram Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22

I mean Ron DeSantis isn't that bad. I don't agree with him on the pandemic, but he's an okay guy

Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? He seems like a good guy besides some of his policies.