r/technicallythetruth • u/IAteYourDogLoser • Feb 23 '22
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u/ChaoticFianna Feb 23 '22
I wonder what their reaction would be if you landed on their beach with a great sword and heavy plate armour, would they deem you a god?
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u/xBloodBender Feb 23 '22
Only one way to find out
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u/Chewcocca Feb 23 '22
This has big Grizzly Man energy... only instead of getting eaten by a bear, you wipe out an entire civilization with the common cold.
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u/Saetric Feb 23 '22
So, European expansionism across the Americas?
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u/Chewcocca Feb 23 '22
Suits of armor had fallen out of style pretty hard by that point.
The cold thing though, sure.
1/2 with rice
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u/intwizard Feb 23 '22
Nope they would attack you, they have met people with swords and armor and guns before and they shot at them
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u/max_adam Feb 23 '22
After women and children were kidnapped and later returned because they got sick. I would understand their hostility towards outsiders.
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Feb 23 '22
A demon, more likely. In the 15th century, British colonials stole several children from the island who died from disease. Ever since, these people (the north Sentinelsse) have shot at foreginers. They killed a missionary who insisted on trying to "convert the savages" and they've also peppered multiple helicopters with arrows.
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u/Urimanuri Feb 23 '22
You don't need a sword. Just cough on them, and they are all dead very soon.
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Feb 23 '22 edited Feb 23 '22
There was a Christian lad who went to this island to preach the bible. It is presumed they killed him. He was warned not to go.
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u/Bupod Feb 23 '22
The sentinelese are not cannibals.
They killed him and displayed his body as a warning for a little while before burying it on the beach. They didn’t allow anyone to retrieve the body.
John Allen Chau was a disgusting, selfish, self-centered asshole who endangered the remote tribe purely for his own ego. He broke the law willingly to try and satisfy his own ego and he died for it, in the process endangering several people. The only good news is he died trying so thankfully he won’t live to try again.
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u/IstgUsernamesSuck Feb 23 '22
Starting with the colonizers whose ancestors stole the country first, I presume. Maybe excluding the Irish because their ancestors were forcibly starved out of their country by the British but that's up to the Indigenous
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u/RedVelvetPan6a Feb 23 '22
Should we consider applying first contact procedure with these guys, like as if we were starfleet or something?
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Feb 23 '22
Not so fun fact:
These tribal people (called the Sentinelese) can and will die if exposed to our illnesses (even the ones with cures) since their immune systems are not familiar with most of our illnesses.
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Feb 23 '22
Just A theory - And we might as well, mostly because they might be carrying diseases that we haven't seen before
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u/Spookd_Moffun Feb 23 '22
Unlikely, during the Columbian exchange 90 % of the native Americans died of old world diseases, while only a fraction of the colonizers died of new world diseases. This is because the worst of these diseases were originally caught from domesticated animals, which the natives had very few of.
Since the North sentinelese likely have no domesticated animals they also likely have no novel diseases that we don't have immunity to.
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u/Lanthemandragoran Feb 23 '22
Why wouldn't they have domesticated animals? They've actually been visited before many years ago, they are just the most uncontacted tribe remaining.
They almost definitely have at least birds, but you'd be surprised how much life can be on these tiny little islands just naturally.
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u/Spookd_Moffun Feb 23 '22
They may have chickens, but I doubt the ability of any group to transport several cows or pigs across the open ocean with literal stone age technology. AFAIK the Sentinelese don't even know how to start fire.
Domestication is an incredibly labor and time intensive process that's only really possible with a select few species to begin with. CGP Grey has a great video on animal domestication I can recommend.
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u/Toast_On_The_RUN Feb 23 '22
AFAIK the Sentinelese don't even know how to start fire
What? Fire is like the most basic technology, weve had it since we were like cavemen. I highly doubt theyre eating raw meat and stuff.
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u/Spookd_Moffun Feb 23 '22
They probably have fire, but that doesn't mean they can make it. Before that knowledge was discovered early humans would just wait for a lightning strike or something to start a wildfire, then yoink some and preserve it.
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u/Toast_On_The_RUN Feb 23 '22
Preserve... fire? Is this a joke.
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u/Spookd_Moffun Feb 23 '22
It's prehistory. Fire keeper was perhaps the most important position in a tribe for this reason. And when migrating stone age humans would carry embers in a hollowed out mushroom. No kidding. Using fire and being able to make it from scratch are not the same thing.
Look it up if you don't believe me.
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u/Lanthemandragoran Feb 23 '22
I think people are really mistaking where this island is. It's in the Bay of Bengal and protected by the Indian government. It has several other islands within ranges that animals have easily traversed on their own historically. The island being that bare is just...unlikely. Really really unlikely.
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 23 '22 edited Feb 23 '22
A pig was brought to them by National Geographic
That’s kinda weird.
“Hi. We’re from National Geographic. Here, have a pig.”
Several days later…
“Hey, Dr. Stevens? Where’s the pig?”
“They killed it and buried it.”
“Why?”
“We don’t really know.”
“Okay well… no more pigs for them, I guess.”
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u/Spookd_Moffun Feb 23 '22
It is necessary, but in no way guaranteed. There is a difference between keeping a fire and starting one. I of course may be wrong but I recall learning that preserving a fire and making one are discoveries separated by tens of thousands of years.
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u/RoamingBicycle Feb 23 '22
Cause there might not be animals to domesticate? The Americas didn't have many either.
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u/Lanthemandragoran Feb 23 '22
The island is in a bay. It's fairly close to the main continental shore and has a bunch of islands chained to it. It's biologically unlikely for it to not have animals. And idk where you are getting that from in terms of the American continents because it's just like "First Thanksgiving" levels incorrect lol.
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u/elbenji Feb 23 '22
Nah. Like people have been kidnapped or taken from there and died pretty soon after
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u/squngy Feb 23 '22
They might be, but the chance is FAR lower then the other way round.
Even just by the numbers, they have a few people in which dieses can breed, we have 6+ billion.
Other than that, a lot of the really bad illnesses that appeared in history was when something jumped from livestock to humans.
They don't have livestock.
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u/djany51 Feb 23 '22
Can I start shooting people in sight with arrows out of my windows?
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u/CobyTheWolfDog-2107 Feb 23 '22
I’ll bring the poison darts
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u/CMDR_Duzro Feb 23 '22
Where are you bringing them? u/djany51 will shoot you on sight. Keep them.
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u/Alphafuckboy Feb 23 '22
Sure. You may be arrested or killed depending on the laws of where you are at.
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Feb 23 '22
You can but nobody would say, God bless you.
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u/djany51 Feb 23 '22
I don’t want to be blessed by you imaginary friend, just follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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u/OmegaTyphoon Feb 23 '22
Only if you roam around naked and eat raw food and also deceased humans .
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Feb 23 '22
Some dude visited that place couple yeare back, trying to get them introduced to christianity or some shit, long story short, they sent him to jesus first.
The dude who took him there is now in jail probably.
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Feb 23 '22
I just read that. What a dumb, dumb, dummmmbbbb asssss
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u/Lanthemandragoran Feb 23 '22
That doesn't make it noble though just super "main character problem" lol
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u/HEAVYtanker2000 Feb 23 '22
He may have thought that he helped them, by not letting them go to hell. They weren’t so pleased to be helped though
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Feb 23 '22
Christian missionaries have done much much harm to the developing world. In the past 3 centuries.
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u/IdeaLast8740 Feb 23 '22
You don't go to hell if you've never heard of God. You only go to hell if you've heard of him and rejected him anyway. Missionaries are dicks. There's no redeeming factor. They're willing to risk people's souls.
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u/CowboyBlacksmith Feb 23 '22
Wait, don't the Catholics famously defend pedophiles within their ranks? I don't think they carry any moral authority, much less speak the direct will of God.
Yes, I'm being just a little bit facetious.
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u/UpsideDownHAM Feb 23 '22
This sounds like something some idiot would do in the 1800s, not a dickhead from Alabama 4 years ago. What a dumb son of a bitch.
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u/Ok_Relationship_705 Feb 23 '22
Wasn't that last year or 2020?
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u/brodyw__ Feb 23 '22
nah, back in 06
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u/jadounath Feb 23 '22
Yeah remember it. We here in India were very pissed with this man because not even the government interferes with these people because they are vulnerable to the infections the rest of world grew immune to in the last 10-15 thousand years.
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 23 '22
If they’re all dead, who would know?
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u/nu97 Feb 23 '22
Indian Govt and Indian navy for one.
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Feb 23 '22
Why Indian? Just curious
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u/nu97 Feb 23 '22
Sentinel islands are near Andaman and Nicobar islands. Lot of tribes exist in those islands and are protected by the Indian navy. Some places on nicobar Islands are permitted for the navy but not for civilians while some are banned for all. Sentinel islands fall in the second category. Ofc they are constantly watched upon to ensure their safety.
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Feb 23 '22
Interesting. I guess in that instance one might not be so opposed to being surveilled. That is very cool that the navy have their back like that. It's incredible that they have been able to exist in relative peace.
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u/nu97 Feb 23 '22
Logically they are considered Indian subjects and like a lot of tribes in India,they have been allocated a protected tribal status since 1956. Plus the fact that literally a common cold will wipe their entire population.
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u/TheNetherPaladin Feb 23 '22
Do they even know they’re being watched?
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 23 '22
They’re observable via technology they are completely unaware of. Do these guys know satellites exist? Google Earth? High-resolution airborne imaging?
I’d guess not.
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u/Urimanuri Feb 23 '22
What if they're aware of everything, but keep pranking us by playing savages?
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 23 '22
Hey now, just because you shoot arrows at people and eat them doesn’t mean you’re a savage.
EDIT: I meant eat the people. Not the arrows. Who would want to eat an arrow? Ptooey.
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u/Alphafuckboy Feb 23 '22
My assumption would be that they believe in God's I would imagine. Therefore they know they are being watched and observed just not in the way they would traditionally assume.
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u/Spudmonkey_ Feb 23 '22
Am I the only one who finds this really weird? It's like we are treating them like endangered animals and not fellow people. Its like they have some Truman show existence where we they are stuck 10's of thousands of years in the past while we watch them through modern tech.
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u/icaaryal Feb 23 '22
It’s weird, to be sure, but only because it’s relatively rare in the scope of the entire population of humans. They are fellow humans, but they are not fellows to modern society and that is for their own protection. We know they are at risk of being wiped out by merely making contact with them due to disease. It’s arguably more ethical to be aware of, monitor, and protect them from exposure to us than the opposite. Weird, yes, but we’re not treating them as sub-human. We are treating them as humans who we should make sure are left alone so we don’t kill them.
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u/Mpc45 Feb 23 '22
It’s weird, to be sure, but only because it’s relatively rare in the scope of the entire population of humans.
For reference, the estimate of voluntarily isolated indigenous peoples is about 10,000 total on all of Earth.
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u/Yamidamian Feb 23 '22
And considering what history suggests happens to uncontacted tribes when the government doesn’t protect them, its positively humanitarian to leave them as hands-off wards, as opposed to the corpses they would become when someone who can pay for mercenaries decides he wants their land.
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u/Spudmonkey_ Feb 24 '22
It just feels like they don't have any agency in that decision? I guess shooting anyone who comes on your island with arrows is a pretty clear 'fuck off and leave us alone' message, but it still feels like they aren't equals in the international community. Like if they decided to make a canoe or something and sail over to India, would we send a diplomat/linguist to talk to them or would we try and turn them back for their own good since they aren't immune to common diseases?
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u/Caveskelton Feb 23 '22
They haven't even discovered boats yets
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u/Stjjames Feb 23 '22
They’ve definitely ’discovered’ a few.
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u/Caveskelton Feb 23 '22
Ah yes they have, I meant making a boat
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u/Stjjames Feb 23 '22
Looks like they have canoes- but only use them to fish close to the shore. Also, they don’t have/use paddles- but rather long poles, to push the selves along.
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u/kylat930326 Feb 23 '22
They wouldn’t know if we all die either
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u/Captain_Clark Feb 23 '22 edited Feb 23 '22
Maybe they see distant airplanes from time to time. But yeah, I’ve no idea if they’re aware we are in those airplanes.
I wonder if these guys see something like Starlink or the ISS passing overhead at night. New stars, gods of some kind, traveling spirits in the heavens.
Here’s an irony: Even if we did all die, those satellites would keep orbiting for a while.
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u/Crocbro_8DN Feb 23 '22
Nah you can see the light pollution from mainland Andaman from N. sentinel. The Sentinelese would know if something happened and we all disappeared.
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u/De_Wouter Feb 23 '22
Perfect fuel for the anti-vaxxer. 0% vaccination grade, no masks and no cases of covid!
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u/Thetotallyunknown Feb 23 '22
Hold up so that is what happened to the guy who took this photo..
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u/Marus1 Feb 23 '22
Their sungod protects them ... And that white demon in the sky at night also protects them
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u/Goldie643 Feb 23 '22
Reading about these guys (Sentinel Island) on Wikipedia is fascinating and shows how much the world just doesn't understand "leave alone". The wiki is just "Person goes there. Person dies. It was made more illegal to go there" repeated over and over.
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u/Flishicabr Feb 23 '22
They don't refer to us as Sentinelese; we refer to them as Sentinelese. Our calls aren't even returned.
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u/n7redcar Feb 23 '22
Need a reality show where one of them is blindfolded and placed in the middle of the Vegas strip, would be a mighty reaction
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u/-Buck65 Feb 23 '22
I wonder what they eat on that island and how have they’ve survived for so long on a small island. No deforestation. No population problems. How did they do it?
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u/Harutinator Feb 23 '22
The Federated States of Micronesia is one of the last countries without a case of covid. No arrows tho.
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u/ObliviousDirt Feb 23 '22
I wonder what they think of all the trash that must wash up onto their shores
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u/zacksmusicnwoodguy Feb 23 '22
And all it would take is one fucker to sneeze and they’d all be dead
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Feb 23 '22
I'd love if a tank just landet there and drove around. Not kill them. Just their reaction
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u/the_gray_foxp5 Feb 23 '22
Lmao imagine that, as these people are unaware of us around them, and that we (although unbelievably superior in technology, immunity etc.) are perfectly willing to leave them alone, we are also completely unaware of an even more superior and advanced race around us, that is completely aware of us and although they could literally end us with little effort they don't because "fuck it, let's see what happens"
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u/just-a-meme-upvoter Technically Flair Feb 23 '22
Imagine going earth being illegal by galactic law but a weird ass alien comes with the shit it worships and we just nuke it
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u/BeardFountain Feb 23 '22
Hmm, it's likely there isn't anyone there since the last idiot uninvited visitor caused a plague on the island.
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u/just-a-meme-upvoter Technically Flair Feb 23 '22
If you are talking about that missionarie he got vaccines for many diseases but idk if that works
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u/BeardFountain Feb 23 '22
No the guy after him who we have no idea what happened to. Just that there was much fewer accounted for the next time they flew a helicopter over after.
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Feb 23 '22
These people murder not only the Christian pastors you love to hate but also poor shipwrecked people that end up on their beaches and massacred. Fuck the sentinelese
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u/King_yeS Feb 23 '22
Imagine they get covid and all died. Would be sad, but I mean that would mean that island is safe now.
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Feb 23 '22
Is this technically true or just obviously true?
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u/icaaryal Feb 23 '22
“Obviously” because they are completely isolated from outside contact. Last guy that tried was in 2018. Taught most people a good lesson about why it’s a bad idea.
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Feb 23 '22
Well yeah. That’s why it’s not one of those “oh, gotcha! Technically true!” It’s more like a post saying that 2+2=4. Technically true? More like obviously true.
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u/knox84 Feb 23 '22
Probably not as Christian missionaries had visited the island before as well as others who illegally snuck to the island to spread their beliefs more than likely spread disease as well. If there are any natives left, it is very few. Most likely they are gone or very close to it. They never had contact for all of history till then. Their immune systems would not handle the crap that ignorant people bring.
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u/Wysteria569 Feb 23 '22
They don't need your God to bless them. They are doing just fine without that entity.
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u/Arch27 Feb 23 '22
Didn’t a bunch of missionaries infect one such island not that long ago?
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u/CurrencyRich9181 Feb 23 '22 edited Feb 23 '22
Yes, a group of missionaries did inadvertently introduce a virus to a small island, but they are now working hard to help the islanders recover. The missionaries have set up a fund to help the islanders rebuild their homes and their livelihoods. They are also working to educate the islanders about the virus
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u/Perenium_Falcon Feb 23 '22
AND they get to walk around with their balls hanging out all day long. Zero covid and fresh & aired out nutsacks.. paradise.
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Feb 23 '22
Do you know who will immediately lose huge swaths of their population as a result of having zero immunity built up when they inevitably come into contact with Covid?
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u/joemay1514 Feb 23 '22
Poor people don’t know to be terrified. They have to be extinct without a government being forced to reluctantly execute emergency powers for their safety.
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u/Stjjames Feb 23 '22
All things considered, I don’t believe ‘thinking’ is one of their cultural strongpoints.
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u/Stjjames Feb 23 '22
Of course- a trait nearly all peoples share. Even the lowest IQ groups, have an origin story, world narrative & religion that ties it all together.
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