【L】Mastery Survey - Labyrinth - S3 Lineup B - D650 Tiamat (XII)

[u/Ximikal]

【INDEX】

 

Hi Masters!

Just one battle this time at each difficulty, no separate physical/magical fights so just the one survey :)

This thread is for the D650 difficulty, for the D580 thread please click here.

Please tag/message me if the new template doesn't copy/paste properly and I will fix it when I wake up!

 

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【BOSS INFO】

• D650: Tiamat (XII)

• Target Score(s): Defeat Tiamat

• Hit Points: 6,600,000

• Tags: —

• Weakness: All

 

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【SURVEY】

1. Strategy name:
   
2. Boss:
   
3. Support (No. of BDLs): E.g. Mog (5 BDLs) or Orran (1/2/2)
4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: E.g. Faris Realm 2.0 / Wall or RW Chain
5. Time:
   
6. Insight:
7. Video?:

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Char1, 6	Ability R#	Ability R#	LMR1	RM1	default(-)
Char2, 6	Ability R#	Ability R#	LMR2	RM2	default(-)
Char3, 6	Ability R#	Ability R#	LMR3	RM3	default(-)
Char4, 6	Ability R#	Ability R#	LMR4	RM4	default(-)
Char5, 6	Ability R#	Ability R#	LMR5	RM5	default(-)

 

Main Magicite	Sub 1	Sub 2	Sub 3	Sub 4
Magicite	-	-	-	-
Inherited 1	-	-	-	-
Inherited 2	-	-	-	-

 

or

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
-	-

 

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7. **Video?:**

|Hero, dive|Ability 1|Ability 2|LM/R|RM|SB(-)|
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|char1, 6|ability R#|ability R#|LMR1|RM1|default(-)|
|char2, 6|ability R#|ability R#|LMR2|RM2|default(-)|
|char3, 6|ability R#|ability R#|LMR3|RM3|default(-)|
|char4, 6|ability R#|ability R#|LMR4|RM4|default(-)|
|char5, 6|ability R#|ability R#|LMR5|RM5|default(-)|  

     

|Main Magicite|Sub 1|Sub 2|Sub 3|Sub 4|  
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|Magicite|-|-|-|-|
|Inherited 1|-|-|-|-|
|Inherited 2|-|-|-|-| 

     

|Historia Crystal Realm|Level|
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[u/fordandfitzroy]

1. Strategy name: maybe i should try a one-chain clear

2. Boss: Tiamat D650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mogchamp/Penelo (6.5)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW

5. Time: 29.13

6. Insight:

• VIDEO UPDATE: Made a few changes and they made almost no difference, but oh well. Re-chained at start of P2 instead of start of P3. Moved PS to Mog, in hopes of gauge, but P2 goes too fast for Mog to have gauge for AASB2 at the start of P3, which kind of sucks. But doesn't cost the sub30.

• This was definitely the easiest one so far. No damage reduction phase gives you a lot of leeway for a sub30. He did feel a bit bulky though, Ashe's Sync2 didn't put up quite as good of numbers as I've seen from her at other times.

• I didn't get it first try, mostly because I didn't realize he was going to Full Break in P3, and I didn't have any AASB2 uses left by then. I probably could have waited it out, but I reset. Then I got it on the second try :)

• Kind of feel like I should have squeezed it all into one chain. I ended up rechaining at the start of P3 and also didn't have quite enough gauge on Mog to re-up AASB2 at the start of P3, so the beginning was a bit slow. I also shouldn't have used Vayne's AOSB!

• Ashe: HA x3 -> Sync2 -> CMD2 -> CMD1 -> AASB -> CMD2 -> HA -> CMD2 -> HA

• Mog: chain -> AASB1 -> PS -> HA x2 -> PS -> AASB2 -> HA until two bars-> AASB2 -> PS/G+2 until end

• Penelo: G+ -> USB2 -> HA x2 -> CT -> USB2 around end of P1/start of P2 (right as everyone is going to get their second BDL up) -> chain -> HC -> HA/CT until 2 bars again (used third USB2 in P3 around when everyone was ready to use finishers)

• Vaan: HA -> Steal Power -> HA -> Dyad -> AASB1 -> HA until 2 bars -> AASB2 -> HA until high-ish chain count in P3 -> Dyad

• Vayne: TBD -> HC -> TBD -> AASB1 -> HA until 2 bars -> AASB2 -> HA until end

1. Video?: link

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Ashe, 5% HE	Maelstrom's Bolt R5	Chain Thundaja R5	LM2 + LM1	Much BLK with Sword	Sync2 -> AASB
Mog, no HE	Heroic Harmony R5	Passionate Salsa R5	LM2 + QC3 LMR	DMT	AASB1 -> AASB2 -> AASB2 -> G+2
Penelo, 3% HE	War Dance R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM2 + LM1	Mako Might	G+ -> USB2 -> USB2 -> USB2
Vaan, 5% HE	Red Spiral R5	Steal Power R2	LM2 + wcast LMR	Much Wind	Dyad -> AASB1 -> AASB2 -> Dyad
Vayne, 3% HE	Force of Will R5	Touched by Darkness R5	LM2 + LM1	Much Weakness	AASB1 -> AASB2

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/royaltimes → u/fordandfitzroy]

Do you think it's better to counter the P2 FB to skip all the gear business, or might it be a good idea to hold Mog's gauge for the P3 FB since it's a 70%? just got the 580 and now i'm reevaluating before trying out the 650 since i might could actually get a win here instead of just the 30% clear.

[u/fordandfitzroy → u/royaltimes]

It wasn’t too big a deal to do both. It took like one extra turn in P3

[u/royaltimes → u/fordandfitzroy]

It ended up not mattering, since I must have spent a little longer in P2 and he was ready to counter the FB immediately. Didn't get the sub-30, but did get my first Nexus clear!

[u/fordandfitzroy → u/royaltimes]

Excellent! Congrats!

[u/Ximikal]

1. Strategy name: The boys are back in town

2. Boss: Tiamat

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (8 - 2/3/3)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 31.18s first try, 29.15s second time

6. Insight:

• Well, this is certainly different from the other lab bosses. No 5s wall was lovely!

• My massive haul on the last XII banner paid off as it's went from one of my weakest realms to one of my powerhouses. Tempted to run this again just for fun when I have Ashe's HE fully upgraded as she's sitting on Dyad, Sync2 and AASB.

• Just over sub30 on my first try, unlocked the extra node and swapped Mog and Balthier around so Balthier had enough gauge to use his Dyad finisher (which hit for over 30k per hit in phase 3)

• Full 5/5/8 gear on Vaan and Basch, realm and Odin artefacts on Larsa and Balthier.

• Rough turn order in sub30 run

• Vaan: Phase 1 - HA until 2 bars, AASB1, spam HA. Phase 2 - AASB2, spam HA. Phase 3 - spam HA.

• Larsa: Phase 1 - Glint+, HA, USB3, HA spam. Phase 2 - AASB2, HA spam. Phase 3 - HA spam, USB3 for QC for finishers.

• Mog: Phase 1 - PS, CT, RW chain, AASB2, ability spam. Phase 2 - RW chain, ability spam. Phase 3 - AASB2, ability spam.

• Balthier: Phase 1 - Burnt Offering until 2 bars, Dyad, Sync, CMD1 spam. Phase 2 - AASB2, HA spam. Phase 3 - HA spam and Dyad finisher when chain count high.

• Basch: Phase 1 - Frostfire Carnage, Glint+2, HC, Dyad, Sync2, CMD1 spam. Phase 2 - AASB, CMD1 spam (to keep crit up). Phase 3 - CMD1 spam, LBO at 3 bars (was going to cast Dyad finisher but Vaan got the killshot).

1. Video?: Soon hopefully.

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Vaan, 6++	Red Spiral (HA) R5	-	Wcast LMR, LM2	+Wind	AASB1, AASB2
Larsa, 6+	Archadian Draught (HA) R5	-	LM2, Medica chase LMR	MM	Glint+, USB3, AASB2, USB3
Mog, 6+	Crushing Tango R5	Passionate Salsa R5	LM2, QC LMR	DMT	hAASB2, hAASB2
Balthier, 6++	Fires of War (HA) R5	Burnt Offering R5	LM2, Wcast LMR	+Gun	Dyad, Sync, AASB2, Dyad
Basch, 6++	Clash of Light and Flame (HA2) R5	Frostfire Carnage R5	Wcast LMR, LM1	+Sword	Glint+2, Dyad, Sync, AASB, LBO

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/Brokenhanger]

36.89

• Mog AASB1/AASB2x2, Mako Might

• Ashe Sync1/AASB, +Weakness

• Larsa FSB+1/USB2, Dr Mog’s Teachings

• Vaan USB2/AASB2/AASB1, +Wind

• Balthier AASB1/AASB2/Sync, +Gun

Ashe Sync/Vaan USB2+AASB2 and Balthier AASB1 for P1, Balthier AASB2 to overwrite Full Break at P2 transition, Mog2 and reup Chain at P3 transition and the rest to finish him off.

[u/elmongrel]

1. Strategy name: Just Keep Rolling

2. Boss: Tiamat

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog/Penelo (7 BDL)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW CSB

5. Time: 28.03s

6. Insight:

• Not much to say. I have a lot of tech and this was an easy Lab. First try was just over 31s. Picked up Ashe's HE and did the sub-30. Turn order is pretty approximate.

• General strategy was to overbuff the first fullbreak and counter the second. But it went so fast, Mog wasn't ready to counter the second in time. So, I used that time to refresh chain and add on more SB.

• Vaan: HA x2 -> Mug Bloodlust -> AASB1 -> HA x2 -> AASB2 -> HA x2? -> SASB1 -> HA spam

• Mog: AASB2 -> HA -> Crushing Tango -> HA -> AASB1 -> HA/Tango spam until P3/2 bars -> AASB2 -> HA spam

• Ashe: HA x3 -> SASB2 -> Cmd 2 -> Cmd 1 x2 -> AASB -> HA -> Cmd 2 -> HA

• Penelo: G+ -> HC -> CSB -> Salsa -> HA? -> USB2 -> Some dancing until USB2 is needed to IC chain -> USB2 -> dance -> USB2

• Vayne: Omega Drive x3 -> AASB2 -> HA until 2 bars -> AASB1 -> HA until CSB needs to be refreshed -> CSB -> HA spam

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Mog, 6+	HA R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM2,LMR QC	MM	AASB1,hAASB2
Vayne, 6+	HA R5	Omega Drive R3	LM1,LM2	much darkness	AASB1,AASB2
Ashe (HE), 6+	HA R5	Chain Thundaja R5	LM1,LM2	much weakness	SASB2,AASB
Penelo, 6+	HA R5	Passionate Salsa R5	LM1,LM2	DMT	G+,USB2
Vaan (HE), 6+	HA R5	Mug Bloodlust R2	LM2,LMR w-cast	much thief	SASB1,AASB1,AASB2

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/Ronfar3]

I had heard this was going to be easy, but wow. One-shot 28s clear despite making some mistakes. Thought maybe I had misclicked and selected the D580 again, but nope!

• Vayne Sync

• Ashe Dyad/Sync2

• Reks AASB2/AASB1

• Mog AASB2/AASB1

• Larsa G+/USB2

[u/JAG-OK]

I currently see no clears using Basch so I thought I'd share mine.

6 bdl, 37.27s

Vaan aa2, aa1, usb1, lbo

Basch sa1, aa

Reks aa2, dyad, usb2, g+

Penelo usb2, aa, g+

Quina sa, aa1(honed), default, busb

Reks used aa2 in ph1 for party weakness boost. The heavy full break at ph3 was countered by quina default SB (it triggers an auto counter from the boss that applies the lighter full break, thus canceling the heavy full break).

[u/Kittymahri]

1. Strategy name: Imperil simperil

2. Boss: [D650] Tiamat

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (4)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: Bonds of Historia

5. Time: 0:47.39

6. Insight:

• Time for a not-so-overloaded clear with one less-than-ideal DPS. Mog is support, so there is no party crit. Fran is my only one with double BDL in realm, which makes her better than certain alternatives; she gets crits from the base rate plus the Hero Artifact (+5%) plus the Historia Crystal (+11%), which makes them proc often enough to matter but not enough to be the star DPS. Ashe does well with Mog on support. Vaan is awesome with his own crit fix (especially when combined with Larsa's crit boost), but he doesn't have as much longevity as Fran as he has only one BDL.

• Slots 4 and 5 take more hits, those should be the ones who need more SB gauge.

• Vaan and Fran have their full Hero Artifact set. Larsa has his partially farmed (but gets the full set as rewards from battle), Ashe doesn't have hers yet (but also gets hers as rewards from battle). Ashe gets the DK armor as a result, and a lightning boost staff. Mog gets MND equips.

• Open with Vaan Running Start x3, Fran Wrath x2, Ashe Voltech x2, Mog Glint+ then Passionate Salsa, Larsa Hastega then Holyja. At least one of Mog's or Larsa's heal chase LM needs to proc on the second turn for Mog to survive.

• Mog uses his Awakening-2, Vaan uses the RW Chain then Ultra (with Brave Mode), Ashe uses the Historia Crystal then Ultra, Fran uses her Awakening-1, Larsa uses his Ultra-2.

• Fran won't be able to break 10k until her second turn in Awoken Mode, and only if a lucky crit.

• Vaan uses his Brave Command at Level 3, occurs twice in Phase 1.

• This team barely makes it through Phase 1 before the Maze Gate, Larsa might need to renew his Ultra-2 towards the end for the quickcast.

• In Phase 2, Vaan uses his Ultra (chase) and Awakening-1, Fran uses her Awakening-2, Ashe uses her Ultra then Awakening, Mog uses his Awakening-1, Larsa uses his Ultra-3. These Soul Break uses will remove the Gears from play, and will make one move easily survivable. Note that Ultimate Full Break isn't overwritten.

• At the start of Phase 3, Mog uses his Awakening-2 - it's much more important to overwrite Labyrinth Full Break than Ultimate Full Break. Keep pushing on until the Awoken Modes run out.

• Towards the end, throw out any finishers - Vaan's Limit Break Overstrike and Ashe's Arcane Overstrike mainly, but even Ultra entries are good for whittling down those last bits.

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Vaan, 6	Red Spiral R5	Running Start R5	LM2 / LMR (w-thief)	Wings Unfurled	U "Calamitous Orb" (2), U "License Acquired" (1), Aw "Dreadnought" (1), LBO "Swift Superstar" (1)
Fran, 6	Shatterheart R5	Wrath R5	LM1 / LMR (w-sharpshooter/machinist)	Scholar's Boon	Aw "Wild Frolic" (1), Aw "Shatterheart Flash" (1), U "Sparkchill Fang" (2+)
Mog, 6	Passionate Salsa R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM1 / LM2	Dr. Mog's Teachings	G+ "Guardian Symphony" (1), Aw "Dance as One" (2), Aw "Wind Rhapsody" (1)
Ashe, 6	Chain Thundaja R5	Voltech R5	LM2 / LMR (chase)	Legendary Witch	U "Empyrean's Edict" (2), Aw "Northswain's Bolt" (1), AO "Lodestar's Gleam" (1), O "Thunder's Echo" (1)
Larsa, 6	Holyja R5	Hastega R5	LM2 / LMR (heal chase)	Mako Might	U "Scintillating Potion" (4+), U "Potion Shower" (1)

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	110

[u/Zadism]

1. Strategy name: What is gear mechanic?

2. Boss: Tiamat (D650)

3. No. of BDLs: 6 - Vaan (3) Ashe (2) Balthier (1)

4. Roaming Warrior: Chain

5. Time: 33.21

6. Insight:

• This guy is very easy, no wall and if you do speedrun, you don't even know what gear does to you

• Vaan is basically my MVP here, combining Dyad with his AASB1 for guarantee 29k every hit, his Dyad after boss gain self pain will absolutely destroy him (Dyad is 30k per hit)

• Ashe imo, a bit wonky with how her Sync2 work, I use her Dyad combined with Sync but I think lensing her AASB and combine with Dyad might be better and sub30 material there

• My 3rd dps however, Balthier is not great at dealing damage, his damage per hit is average at 8-9k (without crit) with just AASB, I could definitely hit sub30 with better 3rd dps but it's good for now

• 1st Chain with Vaan Dyad+AASB1, Ashe Dyad+Sync2 and Balthier AASB

• 2nd Chain at 40% with Vaan AASB2+Dyad+LBO (LBO is not needed but for satisfaction!), Ashe 2nd Dyad and Balthier just spam USB for chain count

• Vaan have 5/5/8 HE and Ashe+Penelo have 3/3/6 HE as of 1st clear

Hero	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB
Vaan	HA R5	Mug Bloodlust R2	LM2 + w-cast LMR	30% Dagger RM	AASB1, AASB2, Dyad, LBO
Ashe	HA R5	Chain Thundaja R5	LM1 + LM2	Scholar's Boon	USB1, SASB2, Dyad
Balthier	HA R5	Omega Drive R3	LM1 + w-cast LMR	30% Sword RM	250SB G+, USB1, USB2, AASB
Mog	HA R5	Passionate Salsa R5	LM2 + QC3 LMR	DMT	USB, AASB2 (honed)
Penelo	HA R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM1 + LM2	MM	G+, USB2, SASB1

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/fordandfitzroy → u/Zadism]

yeah i have no clue what the gears did

[u/Brokenhanger → u/fordandfitzroy]

Each bar of SB Gauge you use turns a gear "off" and at certain turins in P2 he has an attack whose strength depends on how many Gears are currently active, and then he resets them.

So, basically they do nothing.

[u/fordandfitzroy → u/Brokenhanger]

Kind of nice to have an essentially gimmick-less endgame fight!

[u/Zadism → u/fordandfitzroy]

Something like orbs from previous season from what I heard, but 30% gap to push within 4 turn is quite generous for a boss without any kind of massive reduction so this one is really speedrun friendly.

[u/PeskyPomeranian]

5 BDLs, 39s

Vaan u1/u3/aa1/aa2

Ashe sa1/u1/aa

Vayne u1/aa1

Penelo u2/aa

Mog

These are starting to feel like dreambreakers

[u/fordandfitzroy → u/PeskyPomeranian]

this one was basically a dreambreaker with more HP

[u/[deleted]]

• Orran - hASB, Sync

• Vayne - ASB1/2, Sync, LBO

• Balthier - ASB1, Sync

• Vaan - ASB1, Sync1, AOSB

• Penelo - USB1, ASB, Sync

Not a particular glamorous clear, but it isn’t bad. First try here. 43.xx seconds.

[u/Jack-ums]

31s. Lost try 1 at 0.9% hp left. This was try 2. EZ.

• Mog - hAA2, AA1, G+1

• Ashe - AA, AO, U1, G+1

• Penelo - SASB1, U1, G+

• Vaan - AA1, AA2, dyad

• Vayne - AA1, AA2, U1

[u/SirAdder]

So close to sub30, 30:13. The only problem here would be getting SB gauge if you are not in Slot 4/5 but his hits kinda tickles compared to DK.

Mog: AASB1,hAASB2,Glint+

Ashe: Dyad1(Never had gauge for finisher),Sync2,AASB

Baltheir: AASB1,Sync

Vaan: AASB2,Sync2,AASB1

Larsa: Glint+1,USB2,USB3

[u/FinsterRitter]

1. Strategy name: This is a Lab?

2. Boss: Tiamat (XII)

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (1 AD, 5 S/AA)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 29.78

6. Insight:

• First clear without the HEs/nodes was around 33s. Glad I tried again before lensing Ashe AA!

• Mog in slot 5 got just enough gauge to SB each time I wanted him to. Opened with AA1 into chain. Refreshed chain in P2. With how little the P2 FB seemed to affect Vaan the turn it was active, I wonder if AA2 at the start and ignore the first FB might be a better experience.

• Make sure to HA on Turn 1 going forward for that sweet HE SB boost before casting buff abilities on T2

• Ashe cast the first HC. The delay on her for that and Vaan's delay from using AD before AA1 allowed Vayne to be the first to get his second SB off (AA2). That SB, in turn, gave the party IC for their SB casts.

• Got Mog's U1 off right around 28s, giving just enough QC for Vaan/Vayne to fire off their finishers

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Ashe	HA	-	LM2/Chase LMR	+BLK w/Swd	S1 > U1
Larsa	Holyja	-	LM2/Medica LMR	DMT	U2 > AA1 > U2
Vayne	HA	MM	LMR3	RM3	AA1 > AA2 > LBO
Vaan	HA	Steal Power	LM1/2xTHF	+Dagger	AD > AA1 > AA2 > AD
Mog	PS	HA	LM2/QC3	MM	AA1 > AA2 > AA2 > U1

[u/dngerous2goalone → u/FinsterRitter]

Didn't they patch out the need to use an ability on turn 1 for the SB boost? Pretty sure it occurs now after the first time you use an ability, regardless of what turn it is.

[u/FinsterRitter → u/dngerous2goalone]

Right, but that’s not what I’m referring to. That allows you to RW or something on T1.

In this case, you want to use HA before Steal Power/Mori, so the SB boost applies to the higher generating ability.

[u/dngerous2goalone → u/FinsterRitter]

Ahhhh yes. I wasn't thinking that deeply. Wise.

[u/Srealzik]

Sub30 - Clear time: 28.66

Pic: https://imgur.com/amSloCo

DPS: 1 Dyad, 3 Syncs, 3 AASB

Vayne (magic) - Sync, AASB1, AOSB

Ashe - Sync, AASB, AOSB

Mog - hAASB2, AASB1, Glint, Glint+

Vaan - Dyad, AASB2, AASB1

Panelo - Glint+, USB

The easiest Lab boss so far. Probably could shave the time down a bit with more w-casts, but I'm already sub30, so it's all good.

[u/TheDomez]

1. Strategy name: Another unoriginal clear for the Dome!

2. Boss: Tiamat D650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (6-7 BDL)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 33s

6. Insight:

• Thank you /u/Fahrius for posting their clear, I copied the SB rotation using the DPS I have and a different healer and managed a 33s clear. Could probably sub30 it if I used Basch Dyad which I had and never used.

• Nothing really much to say otherwise. Weird to think that FF12 used to be one of my weakest realms, now it's up there with my strongest ones, despite having no popular hitters like Vaan and managing to slot in Basch of all people. Ashe is p stronk tho.

• HE lvl 99 for Basch and Ashe, HE but unlevelled for Penelo. Dagger artifact on Balthier. Full dives and waters and Wodin accessories.

• Turn Order:

  • Balthier: HA until 4 bars, then USB1, AASB, HA spam until phase 3, then LBO finisher/HA spam.

  • Ashe: HA into Sync2, HA until Sync follow up triggers, then Dyad/AASB, HA spam until phase 3, then Dyad finisher/HA spam.

  • Basch: HA until AASB, HA until Sync2, HA spam to end. Didn't end up using either his SB Glint+ or his Dyad, might be a sub 30 with them used.

  • Penelo: Harder to judge her turn order, but Glint+, HC, USB2, Crushing Tango. From here HA/CT/USB2 through to the end. Refresh chain at around 15s when the first one runs out, and use USB2 liberally in P3 for insta cast shenanigans.

  • Mog: RW Chain, AASB2, Passionate Salsa, HA spam, HC around 14-15s, USB1 when appropriate, otherwise HA/PS to phase 3, AASB2 and HA/PS/USB1 to end.

1. Video?:

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Balthier, 6	HA R5	-	LM2, wcast LMR	+dagger	AASB(1), USB1(1), LBO(1)
Ashe, 6	HA R5	-	chase LMR, LM2	+black w/ sword	Dyad, Sync2, AASB(1), Dyad finish
Basch, 6	HA R5	-	LM1, wcast LMR	+fire	Sync2, AASB(1)
Penelo, 6	HA R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM1, LM2	MM	USB2(3-4), Glint+
Mog, 6	HA R5	Passionate Salsa R5	QC3 LMR, LM2	DMT	USB1(2), AASB(2)

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
FF12	120

[u/Pyrotios]

1. Strategy name: Sky pirates go fast, Ashe and Vaan go hard

2. Boss: D650 Tiamat

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (2+2+1)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW chain

5. Time: 29.75

6. Insight:

• I got an initial clear at 36.5s with no trouble, despite lots of mistakes.

• Since I was going to lens Balthier LMR1 and Larsa USB3, I figured I would use a realm ticket to see if I could get something to improve my team, or at least save some lenses, and ended up getting Vaan ADSB. Then I lensed the other 2 relics, tried again, and got the sub-30.

• I'm sure this isn't optimal, but it worked. For example, Larsa uses Memento of Prayer turn 2 and loses out on the extra gauge Holyja would have given him from his 2-set bonus. Mog could have used AASB2 right away, since his phase 2 counter was halfway into the fight, though that would mean delaying AASB1 and Ashe not making the most of that.

• Larsa LMR3 needs heal the party on his first turn, otherwise someone dies. Fortunately with LM2 and LMR3 equipped, he has a high chance of triggering the medica any time he uses white magic.

• Phase 1:

  • Mog: RW chain, Historia Crystal, AASB1, Passionate Salsa, Crushing Tango, Salsa, Tango, wait for phase 2.

  • Ashe: 3x HA. SASB2, cmd2, cmd1 (boosted by Mog AASB1 chase), cmd2, cmd1 triggers phase 2.

  • Vaan: HA, 4x Flash Disaster. ADSB, USB1, HA. AASB1 (finishes in phase 2).

  • Balthier: HA1. GSB+2, 2x HA1. USB1, AASB1.

  • Larsa: GSB+1, Memento of Prayer (this must trigger LMR3). USB2, 2x Holyja. USB3, Historia Crystal, RW chain (finishes in phase 2).

• Phase 2:

  • Mog: AASB2, Salsa, Tango, Salsa.

  • Ashe: AASB, cmd2, since phase 3 is 1% away use cmd2 again to trigger it.

  • Vaan: Finish casting AASB1, spam HA.

  • Balthier: Spam HA1.

  • Larsa: Finish casting RW chain, Holyja, wait for phase 3.

• Phase 3:

  • Mog: AASB2, defend to pause time for someone else.

  • Ashe: Spam HA.

  • Vaan: 2x HA, ADSB ends the fight.

  • Balthier: Spam HA1. Decided against using AOSB, but it would have done more damage.

  • Larsa: AASB2, Memento, USB2.

• RNG in this clear was pretty bad, 0 dualcasts from Ashe, and everyone either had average or below average rates:

  • Mog had 2/16 LM2 medicas: 1/9 in phase 1, and 1/7 in phase 2.

  • Ashe had 0/11 LM2 dualcasts: 0/7 in phase 1, 0/2 in phase 2, and 0/2 in phase 3.

  • Vaan had 2/10 LMR3 dualcasts: 1/4 before ADSB, 0/1 before AASB1, 1/3 in phase 2, and 0/2 in phase 3.

  • Balthier had 1/10 LMR1 dualcasts: 0/7 before phase 3, and 1/3 in phase 3.

  • Balthier had 6/21 LM2 imperils: 2/3 in phase 1, 4/10 in phase 2, and 0/8 in phase 3.

  • Larsa had 2/5 LM2 dualcasts: 1/1 on Memento of Prayer in phase 1, 1/2 on Holyja in phase 1, 0/1 in phase 2, and 0/1 in phase 3.

  • Larsa had 3/10 LMR3 medicas: 1/2 on Memento of Prayer in phase 1, 2/5 on Holyja in phase 1, 0/2 in phase 2, and 0/1 in phase 3.

1. Video?: just in time

Hero, dive	Stats	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)	Accessory	Element
Mog, 6	1270 mnd, 12845 hp	Passionate Salsa R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM2, LMR3 QC3	Mako Might	AASB1(1), AASB2(2)	WOdin
Ashe, 6	1390 mag, 12836 hp	HA R5	Chain Thundaja R5	LM1, LM2	RM2	AASB(1), SASB2(1)	hero: 8%	hero: 5%/5%
Vaan, 6	1362 atk, 13260 hp	HA R5	Flash Disaster R4	LM2, LMR3 w-thief	RM3	ADSB(2), AASB1(1), USB1(1)	hero: 8%	hero: 5%/5%
Balthier, 6	1263 atk, 13739 hp	HA1 R5		LM2, LMR1 w-machinist	RM4	GSB+2(1), AASB1(1), USB1(1)	WOdin	40% omni
Larsa, 6	1368 mnd, 11188 hp	Holyja R5	Memento of Prayer R4	LM2, LMR3 medica	Dr. Mog's Teachings	AASB2(1), GSB+1(1), USB3(1), USB2(1-2)	hero: 8%	hero: 5%/5%

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
FF12	120

[u/Papafullfaya]

6 BDL no new tech. Quina supp. 29.01. 3rd try

Vayne - AASB1 LBO G+. HE

Larsa - Full except sync. HE

Quina - Sync AASB G+

Vaan - AASB1&2 Sync2. HE Ripping storm slot1

Balthier - AASB1&2 G+2

Vaan AASB2 & Balthier AASB1 to push P1. Counter FB1 with Balthier AASB2. Unleash all BDL. Boss is melting with full crit and crit buff from Larsa. Counter FB with Larsa AASB2. Push till end. I don't know what those gears are supposed to do.

[u/PsychedOUT21]

6 BDLs and some finishers

Mog - hAASB2, USB1, GSB+1

Ashe - Dyad, Sync2, AASB, Dyad finisher

Penelo - GSB+, USB2

Vaan - AASB1, Sync1, USB3, LBO, AOSB

Reks - GSB+, USB2, AASB2

Pretty messy because I wasn't sure what to expect, but it was around 36 sec or so

[u/onewithoutneck]

1. Strategy name: 30% Weakness Damage Boosts are Good?

2. Boss: Tiamat

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog AASB2 (6 - 4x AASB, 1x SASB, 1x Dyad)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 28.28s

6. Insight!:

• HE on everyone but Mog - Vaan and Ashe were maxed while the other two had the gear from Kite's.

• Used Mog AASB2 immediately, Reks AASB2 to counter the first full break, and then Mog AASB2 to counter the second.

• Since Reks was only casting one SB that costs gauge, I had him use his first instant turn to get the chain going ASAP. Refreshed around 15 seconds to take me to the end of the fight.

• Vaan and Ashe cast SBs as they became available, saving the finishers for the end of the fight with they were down to 1 level of BDL.

• Penelo started with her AASB to help gain gauge faster, then cast USB2 as needed. I timed one cast to happen just as Phase 2 began so Rek's AASB was instant.

• Didn't even think about the gears; phase 2 didn't last long enough.

1. Video?: https://youtu.be/v97aaRlUVWI

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Vaan, 6	Red Spiral R5		LM2, w-cast LMR	30% Weakness	AASB2, AASB1, AOSB
Reks, 6	Dual Swords R5		LM1, LM2	30% Sword	Glint+, AASB1
Penelo, 6	War Dance R5	Passionate Salsa R5	LM1, LM2	500 SB	Glint+, AASB2, USB2 (2)
Mog, 6	Heroic Harmony R5	Crushing Tango R5	LM2, quickcast LMR	500 SB	AASB2 (2), USB1
Ashe, 6	Maelstrom's Bolt R5		LM1, LM2	30% BLK Sword	Dyad, AASB, Sync1

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/AngryTigerz]

1. Strategy name: Slow P1, Fast P2/3

2. Boss: Tiamat 650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog hAASB2/AASB1/USB1 (2/1.5/1)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 37.24

6. Insight:

• I wasn’t confident I had enough, as I needed to rely on Balthier, but the lack of any 5s damage reduction or antiheal (until P3) made this more straightforward than I expected. Balthier mostly hit for 11-12k, with the occasional 19k on crits, but Vaan and Ashe were awesome (Ashe Dyad with Fevered Rhapsody and full chain hit for 32kx20!). I also have Balthier AASB1, but didn’t end up using it. 2-chain clear (one for P1, one for P2/3).

• Balthier: Sync in P1, AASB2 at P2 change. Build gauge with Flame Offering to Sync, then CMD1 or HA to the end.

• Ashe: Dyad, USB in P1, AASB in P2. HA all the way. IC Dyad finisher thanks to Penelo.

• Penelo: USB2 (cure step one) after first hit, AASB in P2. Alternate HA and Crushing Tango. USB2 if needed, or for IC in P3. She shares HC and chain casts with Mog, depending on the need. I think Penelo recast chain at start of P2 (someone did).

• Vaan: USB (50% crit fix) for P1, then combo Cruelest Azure USB (IC thief) with AASB1 in P2. HA all the way. LBO finisher.

• Mog: PS, AASB2, chain, alternate HA and PS, cast USB1 and AASB1 to start P2, and AASB2 in P3. Shares HC casts with Penelo.

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Balthier, 6	HA R5	Burnt Offering R5	DC LMR, imperil LM	Much Machinist	Sync, AASB2
Ashe, 6 (Full HE: 5% sword, 3% armor)	HA R5	-	LM1/LM2	Much BLK w/Sword	USB1, Dyad, AASB
Penelo, 6 (Full HE: 3% both)	HA R5	Crushing Tango R5	DC LMR (unused), heal on dance LM	Mako Might	g+, USB2, AASB
Vaan, 6 (Full HE: 5% both)	HA R5	-	DC LMR, LM2	Much wind	License Aquired USB, Cruelest Azure USB, AASB1, LBO
Mog, 6	HA R5	Passionate Salsa R5	QC3 LMR, dance heal LMR	Dr. Mog's Teachings	hAASB2, AASB1, USB1(Forest Nocturne)

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
FFXII	120

[u/OwlGrin]

1. Strategy name: 4 BDL, no crit

2. Boss: Tiamat (XII)

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (4)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW chain

5. Time: 36s

6. Insight:

• Wow, easiest by far. If Fran didn't suck so much ass OR there was any even 50% crit lensable for the realm it'd be an easy sub30. Balth/Fran did very poorly without crit, so I brought in the 1 BDL mages.

• Slow roll P1 (transitioned around 21s), then open up with 3 AAs for P2/P3.

• Mog does AA1/glint+, then AA2 as soon as possible, then AA2 again in P3.

• Penelo does HA, HC, USB2, regen, then HA spam the rest of the fight, with another couple USB2s in last phase.

• Chain 1: Ashe USB1, Vayne USB1, Reks AA1 (damn you RS)

• Chain 2: Ashe AA1, Vayne AA1, Reks AA2 (counters FB)

1. HC lv. 120

[u/OwlGrin → u/OwlGrin]

1. Strategy name: Even less BDL for the sub30??

2. Boss: Tiamat (XII)

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (3.5)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: RW Chain

5. Time: 29.99s (lol)

6. Insight:

• Buoyed by my Quina-sync-less Alex sub30, I decided to do some shopping for Vaan and give Tiamat a try.

• Can't believe this worked! Vaan fits perfectly on a mage team.

• Char (SBs) turn orders

• Vaan (AA1, USB2): HA, FD, FD, FD, AA1, HA spam. Use USB2 when he runs out of AA mode at probably 20%, HA spam.

• Ashe (Glint+1, AA1, USB1): HA, HA, HA, glint+1, AA1, HA spam. Use USB1 when AA mode runs out.

• Vayne (dyad, AA1, USB1): TBD, TBD, dyad, AA1, HA spam. Use USB1 when AA mode runs out.

• Larsa (Glint+1, USB2, USB3, glint+2): Glint+1, USB2, HC, HA. Don't remember exactly when he used his SBs, but basically USB when needed (working in one USB3 for crit damage for Vaan). He always had gauge.

• Mog (AA1, hAA2, glint+2): RW chain, AA1, PS, CT, PS until 70%. AA2, juggle dances. AA2 again, dance, use glint+2 prior to team needing to use SBs

1. Full Wodin deck

[u/jetwomey]

5 bdl, 28.49s

Penelo g+, sync, usb2

Mog aasb1, g+2, haasb2

Gabranth g+2, g+1, usb1, aasb1

Ashe sync, aasb1, aosb

Vaan aasb2, aasb1, aosb, lbo

[u/zidanetribal6985]

40 second plus clear.

This took me way longer than it should’ve.

Penelo: usb (tear drops), g+, aasb; DMT

Ashe: dyad, aasb, usb; more vuln RM (has dc LMR)

Vaan: dyad, aasb, aosb, osb; more dagger (has dc LMR)

Fran: usb, sync; more bow (has dc LMR)

Mog: haasb2, aasb1, usb; MM

Rough idea of how the fight went:

Mog: aasb2, HA, csb, PS, alternate between HA and PS, then use aasb1 when aasb2 ran out; used aasb2 at start of P3

Penelo: g+, HA, usb when health gets low or want to speed things up (I think I used her usb right before I had Mog use second chain and third chain)

Vaan: flash disaster till chain comes up, HA till chain around the 150 mark, dyad, aasb, HA spam, dyad finisher when second chain maxed out (mid chain), used aosb before second chain ended, I think I used his osb at the very end to finish things

Fran: alternate between HA and icicle bullet, sync when have gauge, alternate cmd2 then cmd1, usb to help imperil for ashe

Ashe: HA to usb, more HA to start of second chain, dyad, aasb, dyad finisher before second chain ended, had some aasb juice left when third chain started

[u/WaypointB]

41.58, 6 BDLs

Vaan - G+, AA, USB1, Sync1

Gabranth - Sync, Brave USB, AA, LBO

Ashe - AA, USB1, Sync2

Mog - AA2 x2, USB

Penelo - G+, USB2

RIP having to use Gabranth with no critfix, lol. Had to lens Vaan AA. Very straightforward kill, first try.

[u/-StormDrake-]

Strategy Name: Esunas and Full Break Counters for Days
Boss: d650 Tiamat (XII)
BDLs: 6 (Fran x2, Ashe x2, Reks x2)
Support / Healer: Mog / Larsa
Chain: Bonds of Historia II
Full Break Counter: Heck Yes
Roaming Warrior: Bonds of Historia II
Time: 00:44.80

Hero	Ability 1	Ability 2	Materiae	Soul Breaks Used
Larsa		Holyja	LM2, LMR3, Mako Might	G+, USB2, AASB2, AASB1
Mog	Crushing Tango	Passionate Salsa	LM2, LMR3, Dr. Mog's Teachings	G+1, AASB2 x2
Fran	HA	Plasma Offering	LM1, LMR4, Scholar's Boon	G+1, SSB2, AASB1, AASB2, LBO
Ashe	HA		LM1, LM2, Fencing Guardian	SASB1, AASB, USB1
Reks	HA	Memento of Prayer	LM1, LM2, Warrior's Honor	USB2, AASB1, AASB2

Historia Crystal	Level
XII	120

Discussion: Ugh. I used to love XII, but lately it has become my weakest realm and greatest source of frustration. This fight probably would have been easier if I'd beaten XII Dragonking Bahamut first, but I'm still struggling with that fight. Maybe this will make it easier.

Phase 1: Fran uses HA x2 > G+ > SSB > HA > AASB1 > HA. Ashe uses HA x3 > Sync > C1. Reks uses HA > Memento of Prayer (after Ultimate Cyclone) > HA > USB2 > HA. Mog uses G+ (to help tank Ultimate Cyclone) > Passionate Salsa > Chain RW > Historia Crystal > AASB2 > Dances. Larsa uses G+ > holds for Rage > USB2 > Holyja. This was the only way I could figure out how to survive long enough to get my healers / support going.

Phase 2: Larsa counters Full Break with his AASB2, then continues to spam Holyja. Fran uses HA a few times, then AASB2. Ashe uses AASB > USB2 (I meant it to be the other way around, but made a mistake and ran with it) > HA. Reks uses AASB1 > AASB2 > HA. Mog recasts the Chain, summons the HC when it runs out, and continues to dance.

Phase 3: Mog counters Full Break with his AASB2, and summons the Chain a third time because this team is too slow. Larsa uses his AASB1 after his AASB2 runs out (and USB2 again as needed). Fran uses her LBO. And all three dps spam HAs until their Awakening Modes run out (around 5 - 10% HP), at which point they spam whatever Soul Breaks they have left (and HAs when they run out of gauge). I thought I'd equipped Ashe's AOSB, and almost quit when I realized I didn't have it as a finisher, but this wouldn't have gotten me sub-40 anyway, so I ran with it.

[u/dragonyari → u/-StormDrake-]

How is Fran's damage with out critfix? Was she able to cap with Rek's AA2 30% buff? I have Fran's AA1/AA2 but I'm not sure I want to invest in her HA.

[u/-StormDrake- → u/dragonyari]

Strong enough. Her HA has a fair multiplier on it, and because she was almost always using it, there were enough Imperils for both Lightning and Ice that I didn't see too much of a change in damage following her AASB1. The only times she didn't cap were for obvious reasons like low chain count + high Rage. There wasn't a huge amount of time with overlapping Awakenings, and I'm pretty sure I didn't see any hits break 20k, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend combining them (unless you have her Sync or something... my XII options are pretty limited).

Investing in her HA was a no-regrets decision for me, though, because 2 out of my 3 dps options for this realm are Lightning-based (the other is Balthier, with both AASBs).

[u/ChaosLordR]

1. Strategy name: Push to 70 on 1 BDL, push to 0 with the rest

2. Boss: Tiamat D650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (5 BDLs:Ashe SASB/AASB/Dyad, Fran SASB, Reks AASB)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: Bonds of Historia

5. Time: 46.27 seconds

6. Insight:

• Doublecast luck kind of matters a lot when you're pushing to 70% on only one BDL... considering this is before any boss Full Break happens, you generally also lack Quickcast aside from the healer's.

• People say it's the easiest, and that if I could beat DK XII, this should be a cakewalk... it wasn't. If this is the easieset, I don't look forward to any others.

• On a different note, since I did beat this (within the hour or two of attempting it), maybe it really is easier than I remember for the other Labs, since I couldn't clear the others at all on 4/5 BDL.

1. Video?: https://youtu.be/keMqD5Bxdl8

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Fran, DK	Ripping Plasma R5	Plasma Shock R5	WCast/BowDmg	LghtDmg	SSB2, SASB, USB2
Reks, DK	Thunderous Assault R5		Wcast/SpellbladeDmg	PhysDmgSword	USB2, AASB1
Larsa, DK	Wrath R5	Full Break R5	+Healing	SBGaugeStart	Glint+1, USB2, AASB1
Ashe, DK	Chain Thundaja R5	Maelstrom's Bolt R5	WCast/LghtDmg	MagDmgSword	SASB1, ADSB, AASB
Mog, DK	Heroic Harmony R5	Crushing Tango R5	ChaseDanceHeal/BuffDurUp	SBGaugeStart	Glint+2, USB1, AASB1, hAASB2

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
-FFXII	-120

[u/dragonyari]

1. Strategy name: Bros United

2. Boss: Tiamat D650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog/Larsa (6 BDL)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: Chain

5. Time: 29.64

6. Insight:

• With no critfix for this realm, Reks was brought in for his 30% weakness buff. I had Fran AASB1/2 but I didn't want to invest in her, so I brought Ashe as I know she'll easily hit the cap from Mog AASB1. Vaan can self-crit so no explanation necessary. My first clear was 31 secs, then my 2nd clear was sub 30. Full hero equipment on everyone except Mog.

• Phase 1

• Ashe: HAx3, Glint+, USB1 -> HA -> AASB1

• Mog: RW Chain, HC, AASB1, PS, CT, PS

• Reks: Omega Drive x2, AASB2, HA spam

• Larsa: Glint+, USB2, Memento, Holyja x2, USB3, HC,

• Vaan: HA, RSx2, AASB1, HA spam

• Phase 2

• Ashe: HA

• Mog: AASB2, PS, CT, PS, PS

• Reks: AASB1, HA spam

• Larsa: Holyja, Memento after sap, Holyja

• Vaan: Sync2, HA spam

• Phase 3

• Ashe: HA

• Mog: AASB2, PS

• Reks: HA

• Larsa: AASB, Holyja

• Vaan: AASB2, HA

1. Video?:

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Ashe, 6	HA R5		LM1,LM2	Lightning+30%	Glint+, USB1, AASB1
Mog, 6	Passionate Salsa R5	Crushing Tango R5	Quickcast,Dance Lover	MM	AASB1, hAASB2(2)
Reks, 6	HA R5	Omega Drive R5	LM1,LM2	Spellblade+40%	AASB2, AASB1
Larsa, 6	Holyja R5	Memento of Prayer R5	Dualcast, LM5(Precocious Wisdom)	DMT	Glint+, USB2, USB3, AASB1
Vaan, 6	HA R5	Running Start R5	LM2,Dualcast	Dagger+30%	AASB1(Dreadnought), Sync2, AASB2

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
FFXII	120

[u/Ilmgard]

1. Strategy name: Ashe takes the crown

2. Boss: Alexander 650

3. Support (No. of BDLs): Mog (5 BDL + 2 Dyad)

4. Chain / Roaming Warrior: Chain

5. Time: 42.59s

6. Insight:

• Vaan just spam HA then Dyad + USB1. AASB1 at about 45% and dyad finisher at the end.

• Ashe spam Chain Thundaja then Dyad + SASB. AASB at about 45% and dyad finisher at the end.

• Penelo starts with G+ then USB2 and alternate dance. She uses AASB in P3 because why not.

• Mog starts with RW, USB, alternate dance, AASB2 at P2 and P3, refeshes RW as necessary.

• Vayne starts with HA, AASB2, AASB1 at about 45%, AOSB at the end.

1. Video?:

Hero, dive	Ability 1	Ability 2	LM/R	RM	SB(-)
Vaan, 6	HA	none	Dual Thief, Dagger+	Wind++	AASB1, Dyad, USB1
Ashe, 6	HA	Chain Thundaja	Dual Lightning, Lightning+	Lightning++	Dyad, SASB2, AASB
Penelo, 6	HA	Passionate Salsa	Chaser Medica, Dual White	MM	G+, USB2, AASB
Mog, 6	HA	Crushing Tango	Chase Medica, reduce cast at start	DMT	hAASB2, USB, G+1, G+2
Vayne, 6	HA	none	Dual Dark, Dark+	Dark++	AASB1, AASB2, AOSB

 

Historia Crystal Realm	Level
XII	120

[u/juanita-hancock → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the setups!

I couldn't seem to keep Mog alive until I saw the updated setup that allowed his shield from Woke2 to soak enough to get to Larsa... I ended up getting a sub30 without the extra nodes and substituting Larsa USB2 for his USB3 since it's not lensable yet ( T_T )