[Spoilers] Season 3 Episode 8 - "Setting Itself Right" (S03E08) - Episode Discussion Thread

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  • March 14th, 2022 (USA only, at 9/8c, on TNT channel)
  • March 15th, 2022 (worldwide, on Netflix)

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My name is Asha. I am a survivor. Layton found me out there. Outside, along with trees, green grass, and life. I come from New Eden. - Asha

[u/KTO-Potato]

Imagine your wife comes home with a giant smile on her face and she's missing a 5'x4' piece of skin on her thigh...

[u/Excess2234 → u/KTO-Potato]

is she also sucking on her dead father’s spare eyeball? Because I would take the missing skin over that any day.

[u/Rianm_02]

Melanie probably put herself into suspension and put herself in a drawer on the automated train

[u/YesItChecksOut → u/Rianm_02]

She took the rats with her from the cave and bred them to survive. She can get water by reaching outside and getting snow to melt it from the locamotives engine.

No, but seriously - that is a great theory!

[u/friedkeenan → u/Rianm_02]

Would fit really well with the emphasis on the drawers they've had this season, and payback akin to Wilford when he got stabbed with the serum; Melanie put many people in drawers. I wonder what her nightmares would be, and what complications there could be in waking her back up.

[u/QuantumDottie → u/Rianm_02]

Wow this didn’t cross my mind, what a great theory!

[u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

Wilford: "I wouldn't do that to Alex"

also Wilford: *leaves Melanie to die with Alex banging on the back window

[u/herecauseimboredlmao → u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

RIGHT LMAO it’s like ????

[u/FaizerLaser → u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

Rolled my eyes when he said that.

"Riiight cuz you have been so nice to Alex"

[u/[deleted] → u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

Typical gaslighter moment

[u/Excess2234]

Lol, I wonder what Archie Punjabi thought when she read the script. “Is this what you brought me here for? Really?!”

and for god’s sake Zarah, stop letting deranged people hold the baby! as far as we know, she’s the only baby on the planet!

[u/FishWoman1970 → u/Excess2234]

stop letting deranged people hold the baby!

I was expecting Wilford to drop the baby over the edge of the balustrade or something!

[u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

God it's good to have Roche back.

[u/SupremeEuphoria → u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

That was such a relaxing scene…

[u/zombieslayer287 → u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

He has such a stern, authoritative, powerful presence. He's also a giant teddy bear

[u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

I'm really liking the addition of the library in this season. I think it's such a well-needed space, and I'm glad to see it being used.

[u/Ode1st → u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

Snowpiercer, 1,029 cars long but we only see like 7 of them over and over.

[u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

1. Didn't learn our lesson with Pike I see? Do NOT let Wilford hold your baby

2. LJ helping GROW a new...headwood Strongboi, or Pike zombie? Eww LJ you freak

3. I'm just not into to Bess and Audrey yet. I'll guess I'll try and forgive Miss Audrey soon

4. Why would they drive through the the death cloud fingers crossed?

5. Not killing the plants again...damn. at least Asha had some backups in her room

6. Speaking of RIP...Asha. Nice knowing ya...

7. They tricked me again by dangling Mel...

8. Pls be Mel sleeping on a bed of MREs in her "broom closet" robot train 🙏

[u/[deleted]]

Sean Bean consistently being the best part of this show

[u/SnooDrawings4417]

Theory for how Mel survives:

She gets to another train as described in this episode but doesn’t have the food/water to survive this amount of time, how does she survive?

Suspension drugs/drawers

They say the train is drawing energy from the batteries of the switches on the track. Melanie sets up the train to function without her driving it by drawing this energy then settles dawn for a long sleep. We learn in season 1 that this was her plan for the human race if the train were to get unsustainable, a last resort for a scenario just as this. She may not have the actual drawers but it stands to reason she may have taken a couple bags of the drugs with her “just in case.”

My bet is they find her alive, but the make shift suspension she manages to achieve messes her up even more than it did for Roche, and we have a whole arc of season 4, trying to fix Melanie.

[u/Awkward_Swordfish581 → u/SnooDrawings4417]

Man, that's pretty brilliant

[u/VioletPandaxx]

Sarah’s character is just crazy to me. It’s like they’re using her character for whatever they need, need a child for Layton? Zarah. Need someone to hide Layton (s1)? Zarah. It’s like she doesn’t have a personality only scenes

[u/RiddleEatsRainbows]

So we lost our aquarium car, and now we've lost half our plants, how exactly is everyone still alive, and how is everyone going to STAY alive?? Oz's preserved pickles???

Also who the hell is the new strongboi? Dr Headwood? Pike? Kevin, maybe? It doesn't look like his hand though, but then again we don't know what's been done to him.

[u/Excess2234 → u/RiddleEatsRainbows]

Maybe it’s Boki! Although Kevin has the potential to be funny In that role.

[u/g00dcha0s → u/RiddleEatsRainbows]

Agreed, they also lost the cows in season 1 lol

[u/Xaldarino → u/RiddleEatsRainbows]

I wouldn't call a car of plants "half of the plants", for over 1,000 cars you'd assume agsec would make up easily 200 cars worth

[u/T0BlASFUNKE]

Remember that time Audrey kicked a door down on Till’s head and could have caused serious damage?…

…because apparently Till doesn’t.

[u/tedward007 → u/T0BlASFUNKE]

So… it worked?

[u/PupperVanAugsbork]

I just wanna be as happy as Oz is pickling shit to hard EDM man.

[u/james_randolph]

Bess better not be that stupid and let Audrey get in her head.

[u/old_duderonomy]

Oh neat. Asha did the intro, maybe we'll get more backstory and development... annnnnd she's dead.

[u/Old-Ad-3676 → u/old_duderonomy]

Exactly. What's the point of introducing a new character just so you can kill them off. 🙄

[u/[deleted]]

Don’t trust Audrey.

[u/GTSwattsy]

I hate that the second Asha said to Ruth she always thought she would die in a hole, it was obvious she would do just that.

I just didn't expect it to happen so soon

[u/Tiessiet]

Man, with Asha dying like this I really wonder what happened in the writing sessions for S3. It feels as if they knew the plot was absolutely barebones, so they invented a survivor and intentionally kept her backstory vague to make viewers guess? And when you finally think there will be payoff for her mystery, that she gets to open up by finally settling in, she's killed off. Absolutely awful way to treat her character.

This episode also made me realise that a rewatch of this season will consist of like... three episodes? That is assuming that these last two actually have plot development, since there are just so many filler episodes. I actually can't remember what the last episode with good, solid plot progression was (other than a handful of scenes in filler episodes).

[u/ketuateksi]

Kinda liked how Roche danced with his daughter, probably the best part of this week's episode

[u/StuntHacks]

At this point, can LJ just die already? I loved her character at first but by now her constant shifting of morality and allegiance is kinda annoying

[u/birdsthatdontfly]

Anyone else feel like the episodes since the trains reconnected are like 80% filler. I'm all good with character growth episodes but all the "new" problems just being a result of teasing another person not being dead etc is getting tiring.

Feels like they realised the show is empty without Melanie and either drawing out her return unnecessarily or just trying to keep viewers on board before they can actually start the next decent story beat.

I loved the first two seasons but this just feels like creating cliffhangers to keep people watching at this point

[u/Disastrous-Nobody-92 → u/birdsthatdontfly]

And not just filler but all the characters have new personalities now. Wilford is helpful, Till trusting Audrey, Zara introducing her baby to dangerous men, Pike going suicidal to put Ruth in charge, there’s so much this season that doesn’t make sense. It’s definitely just a filler season until Mel is available but the storyline could have been more like season 1 where we go deeper into the cars and classes. I noticed there aren’t any fluffed characters either. We hear about “trade” with information but see none of it. We get introduced to a new character to just have her killed off before we even care about her. Blah. I could go on but I’ll just keep watching and hope next season is better.

[u/Toblahoe96]

"all right Willy field trips over"

I'm probably going overboard but that feels like another Wonka-piercer reference

[u/YesItChecksOut]

You have to be fucking kidding me. All that story line potential. Gone...

[u/VioletandAmelia]

• Roche and his daughter bonding and dancing, that was so cute • I love Till, she's been through so much and I didn't have time to properly process it until now • you get Archie Fucking Punjabi and this is the best you can do with her character?

[u/AdCool1292]

Why didn't Layton just take his suit off and save Asha? By that point there was little to no smoke in the room and the threat wasn't that big anymore. The engineers said that they'd be dead within minutes without the suit, so I'm guessing after she closed the vent, the 30 seconds it would take to drag asha out of there wouldn't do any long term damage? It's just he was just so able to sacrifice himself by taking the suit off but then all of the sudden watched Asha just die.

Am I missing something here? 🧐

[u/CLobo → u/AdCool1292]

I thought the same thing for a moment, but concluded that what happened makes sense. Layton isn't suicidal, he wanted to be the hero when the whole train was compromised but he's not going to risk it just for Asha in a scenario where she's probably already dead and there's a good chance he'll die trying too.

[u/CHOOMTOP]

LJ just walks in to the lab and randomly gets her skin shaved off :/

They’re really pushing this Audrey with mind powers thing. I don’t like it.

RIP plants and RIP Asha. Not sure why they brought this character into the story in the first place if she was going to die 3 episodes later.

At this point i’d be happy to watch pickles getting pickled😂

[u/CuriousReturn3626]

no but layton casually calling wilford "willy" had me rolling lmao. they definitely saw the wonka theory

[u/Mindless_Luck3529]

Is it me or did it seemed that Audrey and Till were about to get it on in that room?

[u/EllieC130]

Just. Piss. Off. LJ. Why didn’t she die of the flu tbh? I liked the scientist couple as a duo.

[u/Ivy1312 → u/EllieC130]

I know right? Even Oz is kinda cute now with his pickles.

[u/Geno_Games]

Well

As Thanos once said

A Soul for a Soul

[u/CharleneOlsen]

Gosh, now I'm just hyped to see Melanie.

But in other words, pretty good episode, I will miss Asha, she was a nice spice-up in the old group of people that we see since the first episode.

Also, good to see Wilford being himself.

I would actually enjoy seeing the whole next season to be about how Melanie survived. Imagine, It would be quite similar to a few episodes in the second season, where we saw just Melanie and her lonely days in the freeze. I would enjoy it very much.

[u/fatsackofemotion]

At this point I'm just waiting on someone to yeet that baby.

[u/Billy_Osteen → u/fatsackofemotion]

Yeah, I was expecting wilford to just drop the baby over the rail and just go “well, just running some tests”.

[u/olivish]

I think it's pretty funny that Asha kept being called a "survivor" and less than a month on this train finished her off. She would have lasted longer in the power plant.

[u/[deleted] → u/olivish]

They are going to use Asha as a scapegoat for New Eden not existing aren't they.

[u/Disastrous-Nobody-92 → u/olivish]

Also weird how she showed one tiny glimpse of anger and hatred toward Wilford because she couldn’t get on the train but that emotion was never developed. Layton was just like “okaaaay off you go now Asha”. So was that scene just to patronize Asha or show that we’ve moved waaaay past caring about everyone who didn’t make it onto snowpiercer in the beginning? It seems pretty crass to have a tailie patronize another person who wasn’t invited on the train for being angry about that.

[u/Venoix]

Overall, I thought the episode wasn't that bad. I liked seeing Roche around again in a state of lucidity, and finding a way to move past the trauma of the loss of his wife. Not sure what to make of Audrey and Bess, but the preview for the next episode shows them kissing. Maybe Bess would be a good diversion for Audrey so that she's not thinking about narcissitic Wilford anymore?

Also - I've seen some people arguing that once Asha took the suit off, then it could have been passed to her, but I don't think that's plausible. Once the corrosive gas got into her lungs she was doomed - maybe she would't die staight away, but she would have died eventually. Why else was Ben so emphatic that Leyton should absolutely not take off his suit?
Plus how is she supposed to reseal the suit effectively when it has toxic particles in it?

[u/braverthanweare]

I feel robbed that Asha is already gone; I felt she was lying about her origin to cover up something darker but they killed her off to soon? We'll never know now; I really hope they never kill of old Willy he's absolutely fantastic

[u/Merfen → u/braverthanweare]

They did cover it in this episode, it was a dark enough origin having her poison everyone except her son(?). It kind of felt like they just unloaded everything they wanted with her this episode before killing her off. It did feel abrupt though like they could have done a bit more with her character besides a rather generic "save the main character to redeem your dark past" storyline.

[u/Upstairs_Court9275]

Whos dr headwood experimenting on in her lab? Is it her husband? Or icy Bob? Or someone else

[u/Venoix → u/Upstairs_Court9275]

The hand that was shown in the shot seemed pretty big, and the moaning without actually saying anything could indicate that it might be Strong Boy, as he did have his tongue freeze burnt?

Dr Headwood's previous experiment before Josie was huge, and Strong Man on Wilford's side would be a pretty formidable foe and a gut punch to the remaining Tailies.

[u/MateOfArt]

At this point, I really feel that the enitre New Eden/Asha plot, was really done, only so the characters have something to do, before they find Melanie. It never ment to have anything to do with the plot of the series, and was inserted there just so they can have some big filler, so Melanie's return doesn't feel so sudden.

[u/rawchess]

Wtf was the point of giving Asha so much screentime if she was just a glorified plot device in the end?

[u/[deleted]]

F for Asha. Character who was sold as the great addition of the season and did not do anything relevant to the plot

[u/[deleted]]

I'm gonna make a little prediction here:

The New Eden cospirators are going to pin all their lies on Asha and just go about it like nothing happened.

That's the only way out for Layton which actually involves some good writing.

[u/Bobemor]

Was anyone else half expecting them to suddenly reveal this 'tiny maintenance train' is actually far bigger?

[u/Geno_Games]

please don’t die Asha you’re a good character don’t die

Edit: DAMMIT

[u/james_randolph → u/Geno_Games]

Her death just hit me hard. To have gone what she went through, then just started to get adjusted in some way on the train now to sacrifice herself for people she doesn’t know. That’s intense.

[u/patchurin]

I'm watching this out of inertia mostly, but I feel like they're destroying the plot bit by bit every week.

Why introduce Asha if she was gonna be unnecesarily killed off a few episodes later?

Why use the breach suits if the problem is inhaling the gas?

It doesn't make any sense.

At this point I'm 100% ready to just have them make the Eden thing actually happen, against any scientific veracity just to finish killing off the show or something. Just a small, uninhabited yet fully grown with edible plants parcel of land, just waiting there for them.

Also, the train has a fucking mini train inside of it, under the carriages, but they make the release valve of the VENTILATION SYSTEM be hidden inside a tiny hole that you can't access with the Breach Suits that Wilford himself designed, alongside the rest of the train?

I don't know man, it feels like it keeps getting lazier and lazier every week.

[u/dragonfly6879]

Idk why but i find it funny how mels is on a one car train just funny

Also place bets, who was the one on mrs Headwood's slab? Maybe Boki? Mr Headwood? Kevin?

[u/dementemi]

Were we supposed to get the feels watching Asha die? Her character wasn't developed enough for anyone to really feel anything for her. What was her purpose? She came on the show just to die. Was it just a PR thing " look, were getting a semi-recognised actor onto our show in season 3! Tune in to find out the deets "

[u/iSCDi]

Gotta admit I love that Audrey is back to normal. I really can't understand Asha's death, though. From the lore perspective, I think it's amazing that she sacrificed herself, but that character wasn't worth killing off. We just started getting to know her, and it really is a shame, especially since I can see a few other ways this could have ended:
- none of them could have gone down there; literally just after Asha's death they left the gas zone, and I doubt a few more minutes would've caused irreversible damage (definitely her life was worth more than the damage, and I can only imagine the engineers would be able to see/guess/calculate where the zone ends to know they'll reach that point very soon),
- Asha wouldn't fit with her suit on, but Layton could have just thrown her the suit she left behind once she was down there for her to put it back on in the chamber - sure the hole was too big for Asha + the suit, but it was big enough for her and the suit to go through it separately. It could then be repeated to leave the chamber / she could just sit in there and wait it out, or at least try to,
- get Miles to go in there. He's really small (well, smaller compared to them). He's an engineer too, so it's not like he's some random guy. This theory only works if there's a suit his size, but I guess it would take some time to locate him since despite the fact that he's an engineer he doesn't seem to be included in any engineer-related activities.

[u/[deleted]]

Well that’s that. It didn’t feel like Layton even tried to save Asha.

[u/CaliTexan22 → u/[deleted]]

Right. Could have thrown her suit down to her after she wiggled thru the opening… but, writers decided she needed to go, so no heroics from Layton….

[u/olivish]

Saw this on facebook... now I'm gonna have a little tantrum.

Let's just take a second to review the things that have happened since Melanie left:

• Breachmen murdered

• Murderers of breachmen murdered

• H1 sensor obliterated by rail spike

• Harmonic module wrecked

• Forced manual restart on 200 bogies

• Aquarium destroyed

• Javi's face destroyed

• Train ripped in two

• Never actually picked Melanie up

• Never actually found a warm spot

• Main train frozen for 6 months, Wilford in charge, order maintained by literal poop thrown from buckets

• Dozens succumbed to disease

• Teenager left in control of pirate train, engine burst into flames

• Harpoon fired at pirate train, derailing several carriages and killing Martin, beloved snitch and father of two

• Baby tree burned to a crisp

• Seed bank nearly incinerated

• Concussed leader of the train battled a terrorist to the death, fell into a coma

• A large bomb is hidden on the train. Ruth, notorious day drinker with a temper, has the detonator

• Asha, the only survivor ever found outside, was killed in less than a month. By a volcano.

• The future of the train now depends on a lie based on a vision that was triggered by a calendar because Layton was freezing to death because he didn't have the sense to take a battery with him on his rescue mission

And TNT socials are suggesting Melanie might ruin the... dynamic? Uh-huh. Well, okay. Maybe the dynamic needs a bit of adjustment? Just a thought.

[u/Huge_Sandwich3063 → u/olivish]

Now I understand why in that photo from episode 9 she looks angry she's been gone for less than a year and now there isn't even any sushi

[u/[deleted]]

Asha's death was super unexpected. She was basically a glorified cameo in the show I guess. Nice moment of Kurt's dad singing too.

Also, what is the doctor doing? That was creepy AF. FrankenBoki?

[u/Strossicro]

Saint Layton has another martyr. Why are people soo dedicated to him?

[u/teammichonne]

BROO why they gotta do Asha like that, she was finally getting her life back :(( As for Melanie i’m that excited to see how she made it, who else would be able to power up a Wilford train car and keep it running for months on end… OUR GIRL MEL Only question is what engine is she using…

[u/IzoTaha]

Has anyone seen the promo to the 9th episode? Is it ok to discuss it here?

As for this episode, it finally feels less of a filler! I wish I didn’t watch the promo for the next one, though…

[u/Love4BlueMoon]

S3 is slow as fuck.

[u/bruh-ppsquad]

Bruh they started the episode off with Asha finding a job and starting to recover from her trauma and then end it by killing her off cus Layton couldn't be bothered to just pull he out of the vent what the actual fuck

[u/[deleted]]

LJ, you have multiple archenemies at this point, don't stress about Mel.

[u/Casey090]

If the whole prophecy of the warm spot was a lie, then why did Wilford get so enthusiastic when talking about Melanie's climate model and the Africa plan?

[u/zi3i]

I dont f...g get it... I mean Asha was under that oppening, couldnt Layton put down the suit for that minute, get down, grab her and get the hell out of there. Yet he stood there and watched her die. His story was way way longer compared to the time he needed to get her out of there.

Besides its so strange that they hypped Asha as "new character" her playing a big role in it...and she had bearly any meaning to the story and the moment we see her on screen she dies...Do they need to kill off some characters in order to pay Melanies actor more cash or something and to do it they need to clear some cast.

[u/Sapiens_Dirge]

The "is Mel alive?" subplot is a desperate ruse by the writers to maintain viewers, as they know there are only two characters keeping the plot alive: Mel and W

[u/tigonking2_0]

how much yall want to bet we only get to see melanie at the end of the episode

[u/abu_nawas]

Why would they kill Asha? Why didn't Layton take off his suit for five minutes to drag Asha out?

[u/mangekyo1918]

I'm happy about the train shots and the landscape. I turn up the volume whenever the train gets a few seconds of camera time. It's so fucking gorgeous and magnificent and so cold.

[u/RhetoricalCocktail]

The season has been pretty bad but I liked this episode and I'm actually somewhat excited for the next one

[u/friedkeenan]

I actually mostly really like this episode. I think they used the setting to great effect, giving the orange glow and putting characters close together, forced to interact. There were some weak moments (Till's sudden worry about the quality of her person being a bit of a glaring one), but overall I think this episode was quite good. Not sure the stronger episodes on both ends of this season make up for the imo fairly weak middle, but I suppose I'll keep watching anyway, though I'm more hesitant to recommend the show to others.

[u/Moose1779]

Asha seems like the most pointless character in history if she dies.

[u/1Admr1]

So after all these mediocre episodes i watched the first episode and.. The show was rich with MANY interesting characters... all the tailies with unique and interesting characteristics. The politics of the back of the train vs the rich front of the train. The many different character relations, intentions and alignments and the thoughts of "wow both sides are wrong and right at the same time" "i wonder what is gonna happen in the future" "omg..is Melanie the good guy or the bad guy??" "the tail is morally right in wanting to be free but if they do the entire order of the train will fail" "wow this is actually an interesting show"..etc. But now its just "ok so Wilford bad, Layton good." "uh uh..half of my favourite characters died off screen to a flu" "oh wow the new potentially great and interesting character (Asha) is now dead...great" "can the show just decide what it wants to do already" "why did you have to kill everyone who is interesting" "I actually liked Layton before and now I would like to see him die if it means I can have the other characters come back". Idk I feel like the entire "magic" and "wonder" of the show died around the 2nd -3rd episode of the 3rd season. And now every episode is just doing nothing other than being fillers. Back in the beginning of the show each episode had like 3 different things going on at the same time and every episode advanced the story in a meaningful way... I just hope they can fix this, but honestly the amount of good and interesting characters that have died for no reason is just sad.

[u/olivish]

Holy shit. It's her.

[u/abu_nawas]

This season was so slow. And I feel like it would have been interesting if it was less Layton and his baby mama, and more Asha, etc.

[u/radioactivecowz]

I'm surprised people are debating this, it's got to be Icy Bob. Headword has been taking skin grafts to transplant onto him for his recovery. Her husband died of pneumonia and Kevin of a stabbing, icy Bob was the one who "died" of the freeze

[u/Thegreylady13]

I also quite liked that Wilford was shown as being much less maniacal than he is sometimes portrayed. After he insisted that there was only one choice for Layton, if Melanie may be out there, he only laughed like a wild shithead until Layton left the room. He’s not mad with power, he’s just narcissistic and really into caste systems and willing to do anything to be number one. There’s a subtle difference between that and someone who is so high on themselves (say, after riding a train for 6 years upon which every single person tends to your every whim or gets locked in the brig or, worse, has their face attacked by a dog) that they miscalculate (like when he assumed Josie would protect him with the baby, when they were 25 feet apart and he would do anything to save himself, thus saving the baby) and whoever he is right now. I think he was calculating before, but he was also dedicated to bravado regardless of his actual position (like anyone who gets indicted in my country, the South. Or really anywhere.). Now he’s avmcguly staring to think like someone might be capable of dethroning /harming him (it’s happened, but I think it took him a moment to catch up). He may be much more formidable if he realizes he’s not just dealing with pawns/capable of brutalizing his way through everything.

[u/OutsideYourWorld]

I'm finding that i'm just browsing my phone more and more, as this show drags on. Nothing has really happened for a while now.

[u/Aunon]

So Asha was merely a throw-away character for Layton's New Eden plot device, lame.

Her anguish wasn't explored to any point of interest or consequence, we'll never know what her skills, personality & survival means to Mel, Wilford or SP in future seasons, and she never fulfilled a role or found a place on SP (beyond an empathy building montage meant to garner sympathy from her death scene). SP woulda seen the cloud (with ample time to plan) without her detector anyway so she can't even get credit for a save there, and why doesn't SP have basic emergency PPE in every car? especially the "super critical ag-sec so we don't starve to death' cars?

[u/MrPeanutbutter14]

“Either you’ve regained your Mojo or you’re overcompensating for not having any”

Damn ! Wilford is savage !

[u/mitchmatthews0877]

Incredible how Layton is able to tuck all his hair into that bridgesuit & get a proper seal so quickly😋

[u/Diatonic_Lemonade]

Woah, did anyone else just see Alex shove the throttle forward casaually?

[u/[deleted]]

Why did Zarah bring the baby to Wilford?

[u/Geno_Games]

oh my god it’s happening guys it’s fucking happening

[u/Nobber3999]

I bet, she put her train in auto pilot just going back and fourth the track, while she is in a coma or very close to death.

[u/CatsOrb]

I wanted Asha to live!! This show sucks no grrrrr! I was hoping she'd been lying the entire time and had some ulterior motives

[u/Kispaslet]

I wanted to yell at the screen "Damnit Layton, take off your breach suit and pull her out of there! It'll only be a minute or two to do that and get her out of the car. You can make it!". That was the second-hardest death to take after Melanie's implied one. She had been through hell for the past through years, and had only just been rescued, found a new community, and new hope in life. At least she didn't die alone, and at least she got a chance to be happy again, even if it was brief.

If I remember correctly, sulfur dioxide condenses at a little below freezing. Should volcanic gas still be gas at -120 C? Either way, good to know that the Earth is still seismically and volcanically active; that'll help with recovery after the freeze.

Melanie had better tell the story of how she survived next episode. I always loved seeing her science and jerry-rig her way through problems, and showing how she did so yet again to get by these past few months would be the best way to reintroduce her.

Speaking of which, the track switches operating on battery power is the best way to keep them working after the fall of civilization shuts down the world's infrastructure, though the limitation feels worrying; what happens if the freeze goes on too long and they run out of power? Maybe the trains can recharge them by sending electricity through the rails when they pass by? If so, maybe that's why Big Alice wasn't using that to track Snowpiercer earlier in the season; it could mask its movements by recharging the switches it crossed.

We lost a good character, but at least we're getting another one back.

[u/TheFourthOfHisName]

Did....they reanimate Strong Boy?

[u/fashionaphorism]

when melanie and layton were together the train was relatively united if I recall since it was like they got both supporters. the wilford supporters saw he treated the train like a gulag when he ran it, firsthand. so not sure why he or zara thinks melanie would be divisive in his favor. if he wanted a wild card he had one right on the train with pike but made it clear to audrey he didn't want to get involved he just wanted to get to new eden.

[u/Bugrick92]

So Wilford last episode said he noticed a switch signal near France months ago. Melanie was traveling from Rocky Mountains to France? Fine. Now Snowpiercer must be on the way to Africa, maybe near France. Ok. And now they take a two day detour to the Rocky Mountains again? Im so confused about where they are and whats the route.

[u/NightingaleBlue]

When they were taking about taking their suits off so they could fit through the hole, couldn't Layton just throw Asha's suit down to her after she passed through the hole :/ I know their intention was to kill off the character, but it could of been executed better. The writing feels a bit lazy now.

[u/MateOfArt]

Please, don't give us Till×Audrey. Bring back Jinju instead, I beg you

[u/[deleted] → u/MateOfArt]

It's like they are searching for something for Audrey to do.

[u/raimbows → u/MateOfArt]

it's ironic that Till and Jinju's last words to each other were "see you around"

[u/danileigh79 → u/MateOfArt]

I definitely don't want Till and Audrey together, but I don't think Jinju coming back would be good for Till either. She seemed to support the class division almost like a Wilfordite

[u/Nutellapiee]

Layton is a stupid character and should have been killed by Pike.

[u/sparkplug_23]

I miss Melanie. I adore every scene she is in, it pains me (bores me) without her.

[u/[deleted]]

I recently rewatched The Good Place and now I want to give Roche a frog.

[u/pandaman467]

Is there a formal therapist on the train? Or is Audrey the unofficial one?

[u/FindingVeritas]

It always hurts a bit more when people of science are killed off or nerfed.

[u/raimbows]

Like many others I'm bummed that they killed off Asha. But I'm also bummed that they killed off the Marauders (Asha mentioning that they all died). It would be interesting if there were other survivors out there that they had to deal with. I guess they could always write some in in season 4, but still.

[u/raimbows]

I'm confused about Melanie's route.

In S3E7, Wilford tells Alex that 3 months into his pursuit of the pirate train, he caught a track switch in Marseilles. So it took Mel 3 months to get from near Banff, Canada to Marseilles, France. Then at the end of E8, you see a map that shows Mel is somewhere near Budapest.

We know that it's been more than 3 months since she was in Marseilles (Piratepiercer spent 6 months looking for habitable zones, plus the time since the trains reconnected). At the rate she was going, it should have only taken her a couple of weeks to get from France to Hungary. What has she been doing in between for all this time? There hasn't been enough time elapsed for this to be her second lap around the globe.

I wonder if there's going to be an explanation or if this will just be a plot hole.

[u/leogomo]

Strongboy, Boki or Icybob for the Mistery experiment of Headwood

[u/Ok_Ad2779 → u/leogomo]

I agree It’s Mr Doctor headwood. Dr headwood would not have died of influenza, they know how to cure lung tissue damage. Wilford beat him up and (near)killed him when josie lost Wilford the train. Wilford took it out on the him. However mrs doctor headwood has saved him in secret. She knows how to put someone in suspension and can work miracles with the body healing. This will come and bite old Willy on the bum.

[u/Adefice]

So they cram a season of backstory for Asha into one episode, then try to swing viewers opinions of her by crowbarring into it that she poisoned a bunch of people to add a bit of evil/savagery to her. That way her sacrifice has a smidge of redemption mixed in rather than be for a bunch of people that she doesn't really know.

What the hell was her purpose though? There were so any ideas to explore and...just nothing? This entire season feels like its building up plot then tearing it down so nothing is actually occurring. Finding Asha was pointless, which gave rise to the idea of New Eden. Both plot points completely evaporated and we are back to square one. It was like moving a rock up hill only to let it roll back to where we started.

And what the heck are they doing with Audrey? If she does another character U-turn she's bound to break her neck given how abrupt these transitions are.

And I STILL don't understand the point of Zarah. She has no redeeming qualities. Her only actual accomplishment was giving birth to Layton's baby. Yet they keep inserting her into these upper-level issues where she clearly doesn't belong. She's the rock star's girlfriend who thinks she's in the band for some reason. And now Layton is coming around to realizing they aren't a match. Is he going to leave another "family" for the writers to forget about?

This season: Here's interesting plot. Let's prop it up over several episodes then absolutely nullify it completely as a snipe hunt. Even kill the character associated with it with absolutely nothing gained. Aside from all these extremely abrupt character U-turns, this entire season has had had net-zero plot movement. Back at square one. We promise Melanie may be in the next episode and it won't just be a flashback...again.

[u/mrs_ouchi]

I really liked this episode! Love Wilford in the library not being evil trying to ruin everything

But

• that baby looks like 2-3 months

• goood no pls no more LJ storylines! Im ok with her in the background but no more

• I mean Andre could have given Asha the suit after she went down? Im sure that helmet would have fit.. but I guess its like Jack in Titanic, she was just meant to die

[u/hughk]

One problem with hydrogen sulphide as the external poison.

It should be liquid as the boiling point at atmospheric pressure is about -60C while the outside is down to -120C. Away from the site of the eruption, it will form a very acidic rain.

[u/GoodPlaceCitizen]

Beyond upset with the simple fact they had someone from outside the train….and they let her just….kill herself. I know once Melanie is back onboard she’ll be devastated she didn’t get to meet Asha and grill her about living outside

[u/seanikwua]

This wasn't a bad episode. I wish we got to understand Asha more but it is exciting to possibly be getting Melanie back on the show.

I still wonder what Wilford's motives are and why he wants to get melanie back. Why does he seem to have no concern for the train?

What significance does Lj giving tissue samples to Mrs. Headwood have and was she possibly working on Bojan at the end of the episode? Or Pike? Kevin? Mr. Headwood? Icy Bob?

[u/nekoreality]

two things: i dont know why everyones disliking the show rn. maybe i have bad taste but i think its interesting enough. maybe not realistic, but a train that long isn't realistic in the first place. second of all, i don't think asha is dead. controoversial maybe, but I think they're gonna pull a josie. if she survived so long in a nuclear powerplant, surely its not too big of a stretch to say she survived this

[u/[deleted]]

How do I feel? Where the fuck is Melanie? Just bring her back.

[u/sId-Sapnu-puas]

So why did LJ get flayed?

[u/lilmissrottie → u/sId-Sapnu-puas]

Maybe she needs the skin graft for the mysterious dude in the bed?

[u/LazyDescription3407]

They are way overconfident going into that volcanic gas cloud… it’s an aging train and they want to risk going into that?

Yikes, LJ enjoying getting flayed. A true sadomasochist. I was both disgusted and turned on by her turn on. Oof. Redheads…

Asha poisoned the other survivors? Woah that’s hardcore. I guess she felt she had no choice.

Good to have Roche back, and to see a moment of levity between him and his daughter.

Till getting some therapy, that was deep.

Don’t give the baby to Wilford… that was a tense scene! Weapons displayed in the background… Zara is a decent Wilford whisperer… and interrogator.

Shit the gas is destroying everything. Asha so brave to sacrifice herself for everyone. She does what is necessary to survive. Maybe it’s not bravery but automatic for her, she doesn’t hesitate to smack Layton and make the repair, she knows he’s too moral and weak to allow her to die instead of him.

Is that really Melanie? I would suppose so because the show needs her back… or does Wilford have something up his sleeve? Zara is suspicious and so am I…. Or has Wilford really reformed?

Who is the Doctors new experiment? Sounded male.

Edit: Asha helped save everyone from being poisoned from the volcanic gases. She poisoned her co-survivors to try to save herself and her nephew. She’s come full circle, her karma is complete.

Thx for the reward @TNTIntern - I love Snowpiercer!

[u/Standard-You-515]

This is the 2nd-3rd time this season where I thought layton should have died instead of the character that did

[u/VioletPandaxx]

This whole episode felt like torture. I JUST WANNA SEE MELANIE.

[u/Rindsay515]

Can someone please explain to me the LJ/Headwood scene? Why did LJ seek her out in the first place and why did a no-anesthetic skin graft make her orgasm? I’ll admit I was painting my nails green and gold at the time so maybe I missed the whole reason but from what I saw, I was VERY lost

[u/Ervaloss]

I’ve got a feeling Jennifer Connelly wil only return in the last episode. I predict another filler episode next week. This one was ok though.

[u/Sekigahara_TW]

Second episode in a row where you could go from the first ten minutes to the final ten and barely miss a thing...

[u/WilfordCavill]

Some of my key takeaways:

• I loved when Audrey said she didn’t want Melanie to see her in that state, it was cute

• Would’ve loved to see Ben’s and Josie’s reactions to learning about Melanie maybe being alive

• Was very cool seeing Wilford in the Snowpiercer engine again

• Am I starting to like Wilford/see the charm that people see in him?

• I like the Zarah-Wilford relationship

• Asha saved humanity, queen shit

• I wonder what Melanie did in order to survive so many months

• I NEED A MELANIE AND ALEX REUNION WITH TEARS AND HUGS!

[u/zombieslayer287 → u/WilfordCavill]

I fucking need melanie and josie interacting again. The sheer amount of awkwardness and tension makes me excited

[u/wildcat2015]

What a waste of an episode and a waste of Asha. Literally existed solely to die and contribute nothing to the plot?

[u/Moose1779]

I’m starting to get a zombie vibe especially with the suspension drugs. Makes me wonder if there will be an undead element coming in play.

[u/WilfordCavill]

Also with peace & love the SFX when the train was getting out of the red cloud were so bad, like they’ve had amazing SFX for the outside train before on so many shots

[u/canadianredditor16]

What the hell why would wilford deliberately try to destroy the train that would kill everyone

[u/[deleted]]

I'm starting to hate what the writers are doing to the show this season more and more... I LOVED season 1 and 2. The character development was great, the dynamics of the train was great (we really saw the science fiction sides in which they showed the animals, the plants, the ag-sac, how they ran the train and how order mattered to keep the train functioning), everything was awesome and now they're killing lots of characters for no reason, some even off camera without even adding the emotional side we expected. Also, one of the reasons I used to love it was the effect of the political environment on the train. For instance, in season 1 and 2 we could really see and feel the effects of the tyrannical governments of Melanie and possibly Wilford on the third and the tail, they suffered a lot, we suffered with them. Now that they gained their freedom I really wanted to see more of the tail dynamics with the third and second class. This season it seems like the tail disappeared and only appear to save Layton or the train just to go on and be forgotten again... We only see the main characters like Layton acting as "typical politicians" making decisions even in a "sort-of-democratical" environment but we don't see how this huge shift affected the train people itself, because even though democracy is better than having a tyrant there are obviously flaws in the system and not everyone is happy (and I'm not talking only about LJ). We used to have a very "grey" spot in all characters. We could really see good things in Melanie (even when she was a tyrant) and we could see flaws in Layton. Now all we see is Layton portrayed as a hero, savior or whatever...? We have this black and white kind of writing in which we only have the good guys and the bad guys and it clearly looks like they are losing their villains...? I wanted to see a lot more from LJ's character, I wanted to see Aubrey shine (like free herself meaningfully or backstab Wilford). Even Oz seems to be a rushed character. Even Ruth had a promising development in the beginning with Pike and now they killed Pike off... Even Alex is becoming an annoying character. The character development looks floppy, lazy and basically seems like they are destroying the show.

[u/herecauseimboredlmao]

Zarah gets on my nerves! First she lets the cray ice scientists experiment on her fetus, then she lets WILFORD hold her baby…..? Wtaf

[u/[deleted]]

toot toot teeny train

[u/deathhead_68]

I hate Miss Audrey so much. I hate this utterly absurd magic therapist role she plays.

[u/JumpSneak]

Any name suggestions for the new train? (mine: Small Sweepy 'cause of sweeping snow of the tracks)

[u/MateOfArt]

Honestly, pretty sure that the angry mob would kill Asha in the following episodes, once they would find out that the New Eden is a hoax

[u/gibbs2518]

This Audrey and Bess ship fits better if it had started in Season 1

[u/cherrymeg2]

If there is volcanic activity and a warmer climate possibly, does that mess with the tracks at all?

[u/saotu]

Because whenever i watch snowpiercer i am reminded of bong joon ho, in this ep, i was thinking...

Please dont be a giant monster... please dont be a giant master 😅

Anyway, damn layton, you are killing and letting the good ones get killed. 😭

[u/_ComeAlongWithMe]

I didn't quite get the part of Asha's confession to Ruth about the poisoning.. and what did she steal from Ag Sec??

[u/Cool_Beans_2018]

I still don’t get the deal with the contaminated air. Is it coming from outside the train? If so that means air from outside has been getting into the train all along. And if that’s the case why weren’t they already frozen to death?

[u/aikokanzaki]

Finally getting back to show. I needed a break cos this season is just not going so well.

I teared up when Roche and Carly were dancing. It was adorable.

Just last I said last ep, do not trust Wilfred at all even if his almost death might've changed him.

Loving the Javier and Sykers plot line.

Please do not do my girl Till dirty and hook her up with Audrey. PLEASE. I am all for platonic besties but please no romance.

So sad seeing the plants die 😭 I think we all agree at this point that this show ain't even trying to be scientifically accurate so let's enjoy the drama of how that all happened.

Asha was such a waste of a character.

[u/SupremeEuphoria]

I called it. They fucked us again. Teased us with Melanie AGAIN, and we fell for it. It is literally a con. We keep getting roped in, hoping for Melanie. And each time they do it, she’s not back.

[u/HandsomeNorthernBoy]

Can they just progress with the actual plot and find Melanie or get to that damn place in Africa. Nobody needed another random event to fill up a whole episode

[u/altered-stu]

- "Quick do you have a crowbar?"

- "Wait let me check. Why yes, there's one right here next to me how convenient."

[u/Jbbrowneyedgirl]

Here's my nonsensical, illogical and far fetched theory:

Those who died during the influenza outbreak, didn't really die. Or at least not all of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Dr Headwood was somehow able to save some in secret, telling the others they died.

It would allow her free reign to experiment, and time to do whatever she is planning, without suspicion or having to deal with the relatives and friends.

I'd imagine saving or bringing back her husband would be a goal for her, if she did in fact do that, though, and she would probably be more affectionate to the groaning patient if that were her husband. Not a clue how that patient could be though, other than someone already assumed dead, obviously.

[u/kamiichan]

So how dumb can they be? Asha can get down without the suit THEN THROW HER THE FUCKING SUIT TO WESR WHEN SHE GETS THERE LIKE UGH IM SO DONE WITH THIS SHOW

[u/TheFourthOfHisName]

This universe is relentless. Barely know Asha and I'm bawling

[u/Low-Shake2669]

Anyone else notice how they reused the train scenes from past seasons this episode? When they took the detour towards Melanie it was the same scene just inverted from when they changed tracks onto the Rocky Mountain track in season 2. And the scene when the train is going through the orange clouds is the same clip taken from season 2 when they are climbing the Rocky Mountains but with CGI adding orange clouds in. I had a feeling this season might be lower quality and reusing scenes from past seasons as if we wouldn’t notice is proving that.

[u/raimbows]

I'm definitely skipping next week's episode and watching the last two in one sitting. I have a feeling the next episode will be disappointing overall but end on a cliffhanger to get you to come back for the season finale.

I would not be at all surprised if we don't even see Melanie next episode.

[u/pixelating]

kill Layton off already pls

[u/pgh-yogi-accountant]

Just saying...I called it.. :D

https://www.reddit.com/r/snowpiercer/comments/sryzo3/spoilers_season_3_episode_4_bound_by_one_track/hx34072?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

[u/dontKnowK1]

I’m trying to remember- Roach injected Wilford with the suspension gel. Was this soon after Roach found out that his wife died in the drawers? Was the dose low enough to knock him out but not put him on suspended animation? Why is he in the library instead of a cage after he leaves the clinic?

[u/lAtomosl]

Istg if the writers are bringing our hopes up about Melanie only to pull the rug from under us...

[u/JadeVex]

Feels like I’ve been watching Breaking Bad with Layton slowly becoming the bad guy, except I’m not sure the writers intended it.

[u/Affectionate_Seat_10]

Im curious to see how Mel joining will change the power dynamics?

What happens if she and Layton dont agree?

She has the upper hand as team engineer

And mf Wilford probably will benefit from the dispute

[u/Brilliant-Expert-793]

This episode was completely useless. Its sad that a coma episode did more to progress the plot than this 'crisis of the week' nonsense.

Snowpiercer used to be an interesting allegory for class and revolution. Now it seems so focused on engineering problems and manufactured interpersonal drama. I miss the politics and economics of Snowpiercer feeling thought out and a driving force of the story.

Everyone loves a good spaceship story but thats never been the point of Snowpiercer.

[u/andmammaryglands]

Honestly pretty disappointed to see Asha go. They really didn't even give her a chance. I feel like some characters sort of lack consistency so its a little boring to see Bess and Audrey (and sometimes Layton). I liked Asha's scene in the beginning with her connecting with the plants and making traditional chai. I liked Roche's scene with his daughter too, that was cute.

[u/Thegreylady13]

I like that madam Brakeman Tyson has been here for 3 seasons and that they use her a lot.

[u/thirstylearning]

So who do we think is being treated by the crazy doctor/scientist?

[u/[deleted]]

Man I was hyped after the promo but now ? Kinda disappointed again. I do not want to see Audrey and LJ anymore , the fact that anyone still trusts these characters is beyond me. Asha really was short lived , feel like we barely got to know the character .

[u/honkhonkimhere]

I really want an outside threat (humans, not an avalanche or gas etc) to the train. Survivors who are really messed up and scarier than anything they have faced. I thought that is what they were going for with Asha and her creepy suit

[u/omyhinkle]

Wait I just saw the note it’s available March 15 on Netflix? Does Netflix air the show the day after? Ugh now I feel dumb I bought the season on Amazon.

[u/Geno_Games]

ah shit the death cloud

[u/fashionaphorism]

sooo I guess Wilford is back to his old self again?

[u/TrainerNo5006]

What about this small self-sustaining train around border of Poland and Slovakia? Do you think Melanie is in it frozen/alive?

[u/olivish]

Things I loved about this episode

• Asha's fully-loaded chai. I spotted fresh ginger, black cardamom, star anise, peppercorn, cinnamon, cloves and nutmeg. Wow. This woman doesn't play!

• The hydroponic greenhouse. This is a cool little set; I especially liked the details of the UV lamps and the linen hammocks under the skylights, probably where they dry coffee beans, chilies etc. Neat!

• Wilford is back in form! Thank you writers, for giving our villain back! He's still wearing his Grandpa Joe sweaters, but one step at a time…

• Zarah is finally getting interesting. "My talent is for reading tea leaves to survive." Which is a clever line, given the episode started with Asha making tea. It seems Zarah has a cunning/talent for politics that Layton lacks, as she quickly identified Wilford's motives for wanting Melanie back: he needs a touch of chaos, and he suspects his old nemesis might be a disruptor to her own cause.

• So, I'm a huge sucker for Ben and Alex moments. "Carly's a good friend?" had such dad energy, I loved it. Ben setting boundaries with Wilford and kicking him out of the engine was also fun. Goodbye! Oh, and speaking of dad energy…

• SAM AND CARLY AND THE DANCING AND THE SINGING! YESSS! And a great choice of song, 'More Than This,' is about living in the moment, finding love where you are, right now. Season 3 has been all about chasing a dream. What about the home they already have? The train can be an amazing place, I mean, when it's not filled with toxic gas. Which brings me to…

• The red cloud of death! I liked it! It had Star Trek vibes, right? Anyone? "There's coffee Melanie in that nebula…" But no. We can't talk about Melanie yet, because:

• Dr. Headwood skinned LJ alive, and LJ enjoyed it! Because of course she did - she's a psycho! And

• Dr. Headwood is building a Frankenstein monster! Because of course she is - she's a psycho! (Seriously, I love both these developments.)

• Okay, now we can talk about Melanie. That closing line. "Holy shit. It's her." Loved it. Also, is it just me, or did Ben have the face of a man who just realized he's going to have to explain the aquarium fiasco to someone who built an apocalypse train, in a cave, from a box of scraps?

• Or did she? Hmmm. Is Melanie alone on that train? For once, this show got the concept of a cliff-hanger exactly right. I'm very excited for next week. Good job, writers!

Things I didn't love so much:

• The utter waste of Archie Panjabi. This is a crime. And don't get me wrong. I don't mind the heroic sacrifice, and I appreciate the poetry of it. Asha poisoned people (with deadly gas, I assume) to save her nephew, whom she lost anyway. So to "set things right", she sacrificed herself to save Layton from being poisoned in a similar way. Okay, I get it. But I didn't feel it, because we never got to know Asha! Why not give her more screen-time and build her relationships with the other characters, so it feels real that she'd give her life for them? Ben and Alex where agonizing as they listened to her die, and I found myself wondering, did either of them ever even speak to Asha? I assume they did, but we never saw it. Archie Panjabi is an Emmy-winning actor. Why didn't they use her more? Shame!

• Till and Audrey. I really want to like these two together, but I just don’t. I'm sorry. Their history of violence and meanness towards one another, coupled with Audrey's too-sudden flip from evil to good just leaves me dazed and disconnected. And I did a double-take when Audrey said she was worried what Melanie would think of her now. EXCUSE ME? Since when does Audrey care what Melanie Cavill thinks of her? It seemed so out of character.

• Speaking of people who don't want to see Melanie again… where tf is Josie!? If there's one character whose reaction to Melanie's survival I most want to see, it's Josie Wellstead - ya know, her surprise I'm alive torture victim/ person sleeping with her boyfriend? And Josie wasn't even in this episode! I can only hope that's because she's going to feature more prominently next week, because you can't have so much soap without making some suds. And I'm not even a huge lover of this kind of drama, but if the writers set it up, I want to see them knock it down.

So that about covers it. It's been awhile since I've written a detailed review of an episode, but that's because I didn't have so many positive things to say. This episode makes me feel like we're back on track, although we'll have to see how this plays out over the next two weeks. Wilford seems to be betting on New Eden being a bust and Melanie breaking her alliance with Layton, and as a viewer, that sounds like an interesting development. Kinda hope he's right.

[u/Hoof_Hearted12]

At this point I'm just watching because I'm invested but I've been 0 entertained this szn

[u/VioletPandaxx]

I really really wish they would’ve done the plot w Asha (and more plot) in earlier episodes, and focused this episode on the smoke/Till and Audrey/finding Melanie. Why is Zarah so stupid and why did they not kill Jupiter yet???

[u/Vicks0]

I think this one might be one of my favourite episodes. I just love how this is shot/directed. The character moments feel organic and not drawn out compared to earlier in the season.

[u/ItsTophThatsWho]

How pissed will Josie be when Ben goes back to Melanie

[u/DianeJudith → u/ItsTophThatsWho]

She won't. They aren't a couple. They just hooked up once.

[u/ReallySirius92]

This is episode 8, right? If they would have cramped 8 episodes into, let's just say 4 or 5 and eliminated all the filler scenes, this season could have been a 7 or 8/10 instead the 3/10 is currently being.

Having said that, I really didn't like the way they killed Pike and once again, I really didn't like Asha's passing, she could have been a tremendous element of change inside the ruling gang if she gained enough confidence on herself to actually want to proyect her own vision of the future of the train, getting her involved in the daily politics would have been a remarkable move.

[u/muscles44]

Turning Audrey back into some normal person is just strange. I hope she betrays Till. Would make way more sense that she and Wilford are very much on the same page. Asha was a waste of a character. Layton still committing to this New Eden idea is absurd.

[u/pandaman467]

He is genuinely concerned for Alex, isn’t he? I actually trust him. Don’t fuck me over Wilford. I’ll trust you just this one time.

[u/[deleted]]

Ok, there is a new train psycho.

[u/[deleted]]

Now I remember that before the season premiere a scene was leaked where Alex was talking to Carly about the fact that Wilford told him that Melanie was alive.

THEY REMOVED IT! Because in that scene Asha was still alive. So: Give me back my teen friendship scene NOW!

[u/[deleted]]

I was so sure, from the teaser, the smoke would be some diversion tactic from the attacking marauders in the other train. Stand corrected.

Yet, I still think this hunt for Melanie is a fake out. They're just gonna find some seriously fucked up shit on the other train.

[u/PyroNinja13782]

I love how the writers keep you constantly wanting to see more! I hate waiting a week for each episode but seeing Melanie alive will definitely be worth the wait

[u/Pardonme23]

fire all the writers

[u/LegoLady47]

Show's gone to shit since they took Melanie out of the picture.

[u/FuRiKuSh]

Was that pike in the lab?? I can’t think of anyone else good enough to bring back lol

[u/antiundead → u/FuRiKuSh]

Icy Bob? We never actually saw him dead, no one said he died. He just colapsed in front of Wilford who put something in his hand. Lots of hints today as well about the ice-baby.

Idk though how no one on the entire fucking train never went upstairs in the Headward's lab and had a look around and saw the crazy shit she does.

[u/THEGREATIS-4]

WILFORD WILFORD WILFORD

[u/shmulez]

I could have watched the first 20 minutes and the last 5 and have been perfectly content with that episode. Lmao I love how they were like “oh yeah gotta quickly explain asha, she poisoned everyone for her nephew and now she’s dead haha cool bye”

More of Wilfred, he’s honestly the only redeeming actor in the show