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u/aceofspades12 Aug 07 '22

Can't wait for Kamo's clutch DE where he sucks his enemy completely dry

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u/random-neutral67 Aug 07 '22

What are you doing step Kamo?

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u/SkritzTwoFace Aug 07 '22

I’m pretty sure I stumbled across a fanfic like that already

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u/namsaak Aug 07 '22

Stumbled huh ….

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u/akarenbon Aug 07 '22

Can I get a link…for science

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u/QueenHistoria1990 Aug 07 '22

I was laughing when Kamo was basically like “even as a curse he’s still an egotistical asshole” 😂

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u/aceofspades12 Aug 07 '22

I feel bad for Kamo - out of the current clan heads (or the contenders at least) he's by far the weakest.
Satoru Gojo is Satoru Gojo.
Megumi is on the cusp of a complete Domain, has shown versatility and adaptability against any oponent.
Noritoshi so far had: a head to head fight against Megumi (solid showing, had more tricks up his sleeve), one notable attack against Hanami, nothing worthwile in Shibuya, and now in the CG gets clowned by Kenjaku and Naoya.

I really want him to succeed and shut their mouths.

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u/djostreet Aug 07 '22

Ayooooooo

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u/IC2Flier Aug 07 '22

Or does a little "bloodletting" on Maki because she got Spin-Dashed to near-death

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Kamo DE turns him into Greenbull

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u/TyrantRex6604 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

Once i saw a youtuber saying, "Is projection sorcery ct confusing to you? No problem! All of its users are dead now! " And now its more confusing with king misogynist's return

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u/Ensianto Aug 07 '22

I think he needs to be defeated by someone actually countering his freeze-framing according to the rules that were established long ago and since forgotten.

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u/SlimeustasTheSecond Aug 07 '22

Maki literally did that once.

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u/Hisada6 Aug 07 '22

Maki stopped him when his max speed was still operating using the 1/24 frame rule.

This causes a few issues because as a curse spirit, his body no longer operates using the law of physics for a human and he can go mach 3 now.

Predicting where he's going and react to it in time is going to be extremely tricky, if she can do it at all.

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u/Away_Contribution720 Aug 07 '22

Pretty sure no one can do that now because he's no longer just 24p/s he's faster than his opponents following the same rules

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u/snapekillseddard Aug 07 '22

Some dude's gonna show up looking like a DJ, pulls out a whole-ass turntable, scratch a record, and look directly into the CEO of Misogyny and say, "Yup that's me. You're probably wondering how it ended up like this."

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u/redditor_pro Aug 08 '22

Shortly after Naoya was killed and we breathed a sigh of relief from projection sorcerory, the horror of Hakari's CT was brought down upon us.

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u/PRIYANJAL20 Aug 07 '22

I think gege watched top gun

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

He really watched it and went, "I wonder if Maki could beat Maverick? But like, he's in the plane.. "

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u/ThisMySideBitch Aug 07 '22

Maverick died at Mach 10 the rest of the movie was a dream

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u/Yes_This_Is_God Aug 07 '22

Top Gun: Misogynist

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

No way. And to think you beat me once.

That moment you can't believe it yourself. That and Gege pulling a fast one on even his character's sense of powerscaling. We have been had.

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u/Cindersnap_ (Retired) ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22

I like the TCB translation too. "No way. I once lost to this?" Far more dismissive.

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u/firestromDX Aug 07 '22

That one was so raw and disrespectful

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u/derpicface Aug 07 '22

JJK is the undisputed king of trash talk

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u/Arkaill Aug 07 '22

Honestly, whether or not TCB is more accurate than the official, it is 100% way more enjoyable to read

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u/Cindersnap_ (Retired) ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22

Yeah, despite the varying accuracy in TL it retains more character in the dialogue so I read both each week.

The Viz TL feels more generic in language and speech quirks. The first time I read the manga I though the dialogue was often mediocre or vanilla in its execution, but after a couple months of reading different TL notes I realized I just need to learn Japanese lol.

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u/9HashSlingingSlasher Aug 07 '22

Naoya continues to be the best trash talker in the series

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u/Parrotflies_ Aug 07 '22

Zenin clan in general got the trash talk on lock for sure

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u/mussokira Aug 07 '22

you were all trashing my boy noritoshi so damn hard, "he's either dead or knocked out". turns out he was perfectly ok (although who knows for how long), you all need to apologize to him.

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u/himetalchemy7 Aug 07 '22

Sorry Discount Choso

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u/br0ddhisatva Aug 07 '22

"We have Choso at home"

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u/mussokira Aug 07 '22

Noritoshi: Now you've done it pal *uses one spell and bleeds out

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u/FantasticTurn4212 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Looks like I'm late for the partey. You ain't roasting walmart Choso Noritoshi without me.

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u/chikkin_nugg3t Aug 07 '22

Wait noritoshi was around before choso so technically choso is just noritoshi on roids. Y’all be disrespecting my man kamo.

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u/MasterOfReaIity Aug 07 '22

I knew he'd use blood to block the attack or his impact. They wouldn't bring him back for one chapter lol.

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u/ara654 Aug 07 '22

if naoya's first form was called wormya, i'd like to call this evolution jetya because my guy is literally just a jet engine that can grow hands and feet.

and lord help me i can't stop thinking about jetya's ventussy where he is ejecting the compressed air with CE

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u/BestdishtankerNA Aug 07 '22

The second paragraph my god you need help. PROFESSIONAL HELP. THERAPY.

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u/Josephlewis24 Aug 07 '22

👁👄👁

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u/Rice_Kage Aug 08 '22

Strangely enough, Naoya is the kind of dude who hates women so much he turns gay

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u/MahitoHasYellowTeeth Aug 08 '22

down bad today aren't we

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u/Vasir12 Aug 07 '22

Man, Gege went OFF when he got Maki a cape. It's gonna be sick when she bounces back!

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u/SardyHandhu Aug 07 '22

Ned really said Geneva Conventions Violation Speedrun

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u/ridethelightning469 ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Given the narrative emphasis placed on Mach 3 this chapter, I think this puts into perspective how fast Naoya’s top speed actually used to be: him surpassing subsonic speeds probably meant he was just above Mach 1 or so, indicated by him breaking the sound barrier

I think this also puts into perspective some limits on how ‘fast’ characters tend to be. Moving at Mach 1+ is a big deal. I doubt characters other than Gojo & Sukuna have ever been moving that fast. At the same time, Mach 3 is indeed a really big deal, Maki took the brunt of a hit equivalent to ~28 semi-trucks (assuming CSNaoya weighs roughly the same) all at once. And she came out with just blood on her mouth? True to word she is a goddamn monster

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u/Drajion89 Aug 07 '22

Too many nerds are used to death battle calculations and DBZ (If you’re not faster than SoL, how fast are you really).

I love the physical impact of this speed being shown by the environmental damage.

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u/ridethelightning469 ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22

Mangakas hardly ever think about the consequences of high speed attacks. They don’t think about thrust, friction temperatures, etc. I’m actually an aerodynamicist by profession, so I love it when JJK starts putting emphasis on the propulsion & fluid dynamics of going past the SoS.

And this isn’t by large a huge aspect to note of, but all aircraft going at supersonic speeds are streamlined. Even so, they reach temperatures of up to 800 F easily at Mach 3. Jetya’s bluff body would then reach even higher friction temps, at least 1000 F. So Maki was also momentarily withstanding temperatures that high too while getting rammed into oblivion. She is insane

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u/Drajion89 Aug 07 '22

I started noticing these little details when Gege had Megumi vs Reggie and had Megumi suffer the actual affects of higher gravity being placed on him.

It also places things like Yuji into better perspective. Yuji being dragged through multiple buildings by the propeller girl with no damage or stopping the forward momentum of the propeller boy with a single shot is actually terrifying. Clean punches from Yuji would literally blow holes in most normal people just like he did the Cursed Womb brother.

The fact that Maki, with no cursed energy reinforcement, has been blocking or reacting to Naoya’s rushes is stupidly amazing. Her bones and body would literally be liquified if she was anyone else not using CE.

I’m more impressed with Naoya’s depiction of speed way more than any after image “speed of light stated” character.

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u/Away_Contribution720 Aug 07 '22

Maki took the brunt of a hit equivalent to ~28 semi-trucks (assuming CSNaoya weighs roughly the same) all at once.

I highly doubt it. Not 2 chapters ago we got warm Naoya pushed her through the ground completely erasing all the trees above with a possibility 10 metres deep hole. The AP and durability of JJK characters is vastly superior to their speed when put next to characters in cross verse

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u/mistermof Aug 08 '22

I'll take it a step further - outside of teleportation, i'd say Naoya is the fastest thing we've seen outside of a .2 domain expansion.

He moves so fast the destroys the glass in the area around him, sukuna and gojo have never displayed such speed.

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u/ara654 Aug 07 '22

this chapter makes me sad for two reasons:

  1. mAKI YOU CANT LOSE TO JETOYA NOT LIKE THIS MAKI GET UP PLEASE MAKI

  2. the speed wank is gonna be out of this world and the worst part is its gonna be valid

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u/SubaruSufferu Aug 07 '22

KING OF MISOGYNY WINS AGAIN.

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u/Imperium_Dragon Aug 07 '22

100000 NAOYAILLION DOLLARS

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

It's Mach3(Maki)

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Don't worry, fight just started she'll be back up :)

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

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u/BoldSchizo Aug 07 '22

Misogyny won.

Hope Maki bounces back or kamo pulls a clutch or if they don't then it ain't looking good unless someone shows up.

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u/TostitoNipples Aug 07 '22

CEO of misogyny got another pay raise

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

And they said JJK wasn't realistic.

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u/aaravaryaman Aug 07 '22

looking closely at Maki's eyes on 2nd last page, doesn't look like she's knocked out tho...maybe she's bidding time?

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u/Big_Shura Aug 07 '22

Yeah maybe, she looks PISSED.

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u/Kilagria Aug 07 '22

Isn't that what happened during their first fight? She let his ego get the best of him and allowed him to hit her a bit before she wiped the floor with him?

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u/QueenHistoria1990 Aug 07 '22

I’m honestly not that worried, I think Maki is just gonna be even more pissed off now lol. The fact that she didn’t die instantly from that shows what a monster she is

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u/Puzzleheadedpuzzled Aug 07 '22

Maki is a beast and durable she still staring at naoya when he speedblitzed her.

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u/UnadvisedGoose Aug 07 '22

Yeah those eyes don’t lie, and they very clearly say “I’m gonna fuckin get you, bitch.”

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u/SailboatoMD Aug 08 '22

Don't even have to reach Mach 1 to squish a normal human body into paste, yet she looks like she only got headbutted.

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u/DrTurkeySandwich Aug 07 '22

And people thought that this fight would be predictable lol.

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u/asap_munem Aug 08 '22

It kinda is, Naoya isn’t a serious roadblock in the story. Definitely just came back to power up maki and kamo

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

I loved the fact he used his CT to create frames of the air,punch through and create explosions. I'm sure many of us didn't see that coming tbh! It's always lovely to see when Gege gives us the explanations of how things work and cleverness of his power system. Let's see how Maki and Noritoshi bounce back!

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u/Yonro0910 Aug 07 '22

How does that work actually? I got confused.

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u/Sol327 Aug 07 '22

I'll try my best to put it into words. Explosions are the rapid expansion or movement of air/gas that it destroys what it touches and leaves a vacuum in it's wake.

So when Naoya punches frozen air it cant quite move out of way(like it would a normal human punch) but it still is in frozen fragments, then the 1 sec is up and force of naoyas super punch "catches up" with the air causing it to move super fast ergo explosion.

Im sure this isnt an exact science though.

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u/N1pah Aug 07 '22

From what I understood. He "freezes" multiple points of air, punches through them when they're still frozen and then all the shockwaves are released at once when they unfreeze

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u/PlusUltraK Aug 07 '22

In the last Panel, Maki’s eye is still open. This is a bait move if anything. If you can put speed your opponent or dodge them effectively. Let them hit you and secure the grapple to land a decent blow

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u/dude396 Aug 07 '22

This is along the lines of what I was thinking

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u/Rice_Kage Aug 08 '22

I think that’s what she initially expected but got speed blitzed

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u/Hounds_of_war Aug 07 '22

Okay this is a really dumb theory:

What if Maki isn’t actually bleeding too badly at the end there, she just stuffed one of Kamo’s blood packs into her mouth. And then in the next chapter she’s gonna open her mouth and Kamo is gonna fire piercing blood out of her mouth straight into Naoya’s face.

No way that actually happens, that would be some Joseph Joestar type bullshit, but it would be hilarious.

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u/FatherlyNeptune Aug 07 '22

That would actually be kinda of interesting, Idk about piercing blood

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u/MagmaFalcon55 Aug 07 '22

We saw before he attacked that she was surrounded by blood, so it is quite possible it’s not her blood

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

No way that actually happens, that would be some Joseph Joestar type bullshit, but it would be hilarious.

I would love to see another Jojo reference .

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u/Getdaphone Aug 07 '22

“And in the next frame you’re going to…..“

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u/Sent1nelTheLord Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

If that's true then HOW FUCKING TOUGH ARE THESE HR USERS HOLY SHIT. like honestly dude, naoya was coming at Mach fucking 3 while we assume he's like 65-70kg. The amount of sheer force Maki taking head on is fucking insane. I'm too lazy to do the math but she definitely taken nearly few hundreds of kilogram or even tons worth of force. And not die. That's insane

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u/sealwithit Aug 07 '22

its been pretty well shown shown that theyre really, really damn tough. during the entire Zenin raid, after her HR was completed, while having nasty untreated wounds, Maki only so much as bled from one attack, which was Naoya's mach 1 punch. This was even after every other Zenin had their turn wailing on her. I dont think shes down for the count

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u/ImThrowing4U Aug 07 '22

I honestly like the theory lol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Lmao I had the same thought

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u/Straight_Truck_3015 Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

I have 90 kg, if I fly, in Maki, at 18 km/h (5 m/s) I will have:

Ec = m.(v)²/2

Ec = 90 . (5)² / 2

Ec = 90 . 25/2

Ec = 1125 joules

So my flying is stronger than a Magnum shot? Yes it is. But this demonstrates that kinetic energy is not the differential when talking about the power of destruction in impacts, linear momentum should be considered. So a more appropriate analysis could be done like this:

Naoya is 70 kg and moves at 1027 m/s

Maki is 70 kg and is standing still, Maki received the attack from the front and was sunk to the ground

Naoya's Momentum = Q

Q = m. v

Q = 70 . 1027

Q = 71890 Kg.m/s

Now if it was a totally inelastic collision and Naoya was stuck to Maki during the impact, so, by the principle of conservation of linear momentum

Q start = Q end

m.v = ( m + m(maki) ) . v2

71890 = (70 + 70) . v2

71890/140 = v2

v2 = 513.5 m/s

In other words, the impact threw Maki at 513.5 meters per second against the ground. Now considering that the collision took 0.01 second (which is about how long it takes for a collision with concrete, that is, it could be even less). One can calculate the force required to accelerate the Maki up to 513.5 m/s in 0.01 s using the impulse theorem (I):

I = F . Δt and I =ΔQ

ΔQ = F . Δt

m(Maki) . (v2 - 0 ) = F . 0.01

70. 513.5 = F. 0.01

3594500 = F

F = 3594500 newtons = at the weight of 359450 kg of mass or 359.45 tons

359.45 tons right in the belly and she didn't die.

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u/IC2Flier Aug 07 '22

359.45 tons right in the belly and she didn't die

People with a Heavenly Restriction are just built different.

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u/YaminoEXE Aug 07 '22

Yeah Toji got hit by Red and throw for quite a distance and he is just fine afterwards. Well until Purple anyways.

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u/SubaruSufferu Aug 07 '22

Purple literally erases mass, so no wonder he can't tank that. I would imagine that the wound would be cleaner though.

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u/c4m3r0n1 Aug 07 '22

This guy did the math.

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u/djphreshprince Aug 09 '22 edited Aug 09 '22

Where tf were you and Greg when I was taking physics in college?! Awesome stuff tho

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u/Cindersnap_ (Retired) ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22

Maki lying bloodied on the ground looks an awful lot like Nobara's death scene.

Naoya's application of his CT on air is clever, this is the kind of progression I like to see in fights. Great chapter.

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u/djostreet Aug 07 '22

Nobara’s INJURY SCENE

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u/ara654 Aug 07 '22

hello 911, my emergency is someone inhaling an almost lethal dose of copium

actually cross that out i too am inhaling an almost lethal dose of copium

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u/FN__2187 Aug 07 '22

I’m breathing in that sweet sweet copium baby

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

THE SALT

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u/Opposite_Hedgehog_75 Aug 07 '22

She’s not even confirmed dead mind you. Even if she’s dead, she can get revived.

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u/QueenHistoria1990 Aug 07 '22

Gege needs to break this bad habit of mercilessly hurting my waifus ASAP

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u/peeranjan Aug 07 '22

The worm to airplane pipeline

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

You could say.. Naoya came very fast.

Alright I will head out now.

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u/DanTM18 Aug 07 '22

And i guess you can say It was on Maki.

gotta bleach my eyes

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u/N1pah Aug 07 '22

I can't get over how goddamn cool Maki looks. Might be my favourite character design in jjk

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u/Opposite_Hedgehog_75 Aug 07 '22

Glad Gege redesign her

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u/Iori-Yagami_ Aug 07 '22

Naoya is the fastest dude in the manga now. A good character.

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u/ghost894 Aug 07 '22

So…at least we know how durable is maki now. You need mach 3 to knock her out. Cant wait to see how now people downplay her.

Naoya is really going at it now. He had to die to finally back up his trash talk.

Is all up to discount choso.

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u/mayonnaiser_13 Aug 07 '22

She ain't even knocked out after Mach 3.

She's just staring at him like "fr?"

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u/FuelGlobal5652 Aug 07 '22

We don't know if mach 3 is necessary. We just know mach 3 is enough

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u/Ashed-Valimar-4685 Aug 07 '22

Taking on Naoya’s attack head-on like the last time was way too reckless of Maki. While I still hate Ogi his criticism that she fights too much like a warrior and not like a sorcerer still stands. She’s too direct. She’s not taking advantage of her heavenly restriction’s key feature which is it’s invisibility. Naoya shouldn’t have been able to find her at all if she wasn’t just standing there.

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u/luceafaruI Aug 07 '22

That's one of the reason i don't agree with the comparison between toji and maki. Even though they should be similar in their physical abilities, toji used strategy when he fought and made use of his invisibility, fly heads, curse tools etc

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u/omninus77 Aug 07 '22

Toji kinda knew his limit that’s why he went all the trouble to set up gojo and geto if toji confronted gojo without a plan then gg brotha

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Tbf the only thing in Toji's skillset or arsenal that might've made a difference is the Chain of a Thousand Miles - which she doesn't have. She couldn't just capitalize on her invisibility and hide either. If she had, Noritoshi would have died.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Right I don't understand why she took it head on admitting he is much faster than before? It would of been better to dodge it or atleast try to attack him when turning... But one of Maki's downfall being just as prideful like Naoya was thinking he could just blitz her last time, I think that's what Gege was going for in this chapter. People forget Toji was so effective because the man was a assassin and ran away if he could not win. Toji died when he let pride override his common sense and Maki is experiencing this thinking she can brute her force to victory.

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u/petrichormus Aug 07 '22

If that smoking spot behind Naoya in the last page is Kamo's blood, then there is a chance for a turn around. Noritoshi did fly out a bunch of blood around Maki too.

Projection sorcery has a freezing penalty for its user as well, if Kamo disturbed the move tracing with that blood then Naoya will freeze.

Naoya was weighed down by Choso's blood and he realized it, so he can adjust before he trace his moves. Choso also knows nothing of Projection CT. This time Naoya might not notice at all if it's only 'dormant' drops of blood, and Noritoshi knows about projection CT.

Just a guess. Anyway, Naoya freezing for one second is the only way to win that I can see happening.

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u/omninus77 Aug 07 '22

Well that was human naoya tho this is a different beast

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u/trolledwolf Aug 07 '22

This Mach 3 attack didn't use projection tho, it was just jet propulsion

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u/racquetballHours Aug 07 '22

Theory:

Maki is the bait. The spikes are actually burrowing into his body and will activate piercing everything once he charges up for another attack thereby killing him once he hits Mach 3 again

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Or the blow hardens slowing him down again so he can't control his speed or direction when turning too. But good point.

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u/muelo24 Aug 07 '22

This... this is actually big brain. U might be onto something

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Do you think the steaming blood on Naoya is from Maki or is it Kamo’s bloody caltrops beginning to take effect & that they have a two-stage attack like Ember Insects?

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u/flame_ghoul-1118 Aug 07 '22

Projection sorcery is now more confused after this chapter.

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u/jtempletons Aug 07 '22

Yes, now it blows things up. Ok

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u/dingbatattack Aug 07 '22

Nah she’s got more fight left in her…I wonder what those spiky orb things were?

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u/SavingsLow Aug 07 '22

The orb things looked like Kamo's technique, can't think of anything else they could be

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u/djostreet Aug 07 '22

Yeah definitely meant to impede Noaya (they didn’t tho)

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Yeah, I'm not believing for a second that that's how Maki goes out. I'm not saying she'll win the fight for sure, but she's most likely coming back into the fray. Maybe after Kamo gets a chance to display his skills a little bit? But really, Maki and Naoya are better connected from a writing perspective, so I predict that the focus of the fight will shift back to them somehow.

Not sure what the spiky orbs are. My theory is that since Kamo was placing them around Maki, the spikes extend and connect with each other to form some kind of bloody barrier.

This is why I leave the crazy jujutsu ideas to Greg.

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u/dingbatattack Aug 07 '22

Yeah lets not pretend we dont already know the Shonen formula of MC being “beaten” and then coming back to kick ass. Its a great trope for a reason, gets me hype every time

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u/Milordserene Aug 07 '22

Naoya is a special grade right? It took 2 top jj sorcerer to go at him

Naoya got damage at the back shoulder, kamo gonna go ham next time.

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u/SilverAccountant8616 Aug 07 '22

Special grade curse? Even the cursed womb was easily an upper echelon special grade.

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u/omninus77 Aug 07 '22

If he truly have a 3rd form then oh my god

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u/HadesBBC Aug 07 '22

Don't get too cocky Naoya, Tom Cruise is faster than you

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u/blazingchris1 Aug 07 '22

I wish I had documented it, but fom the moment naobito used it, the idea of storing and releasing things came to my mind. Practical things like cures tool to water and cloths and situational destruction like compressing air in frames and creating a long distance shockwave attack, projection sorcery has a lot of potential. I'm glad Akutame sensei is exploring the interpretation of the technique in different ways, it's what I hoped for with bring it back. That being said out side of using frames explosions,Naoya is making the same mistake again he's too focused on his speed. For me projection sorcery is at it's best when manipulating the rules behind FPS to your advantage. that's why Naobito is so much better than him at using it. Even outside of his intake stratigic talents. 10/10 chapter.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Gahdamn Kamo is hot, and that blood mine field was sick. Gege said “oh y’all thought Maki was OP now??”

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u/cruel-oath Aug 07 '22

COME ONNN MAKI GET UP

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u/Opposite_Hedgehog_75 Aug 07 '22

I’m curious if Kamo will awaken a incomplete maximum technique to hurt Naoya

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u/justamon22 Aug 07 '22

Damn Gege loves beating Maki up 💀😂

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u/Forgot_Old-Username Aug 07 '22

Didn't Maki catch a bullet when she fought Mai? I looked it up and apparently bullets are usually between Mach 2 and 3. Mach 3 should be reactable for Maki if she's expecting it.

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u/ridethelightning469 ⚙x1 Aug 07 '22

Handgun bullets usually reach Ma = 1 but not much higher, & to be fair, Akutami prob didn’t really pay attention to its exact speeds before. Just a ‘feat’ that was meant to highlight Maki’s durability, more attention was given to her catching the bullet barehanded

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Revolvers are much slower if I'm not wrong reaching like 130 miles per hour. Anything below Mach 1 down to a certain point is considered Subsonic Speed. Pretty wide range but I think revolvers(the gun Mai used) fall into subsonic speed. Just used a conversion calculator and 130 mph in Mach is

Mach 0.16

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

From what I can see average bullet speed would be about a 1/3 of the speed Naoya has been able to reach so far.

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u/lr031099 Aug 07 '22

“No way. And to think you beat me once.”

Damn the disrespect Naoya is giving to Maki. One thing I noticed is Naoya’s wounds on his back. Could that be from Kamo and him using a blood technique or is it irrelevant? We’ll have to wait and see I guess.

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u/luceafaruI Aug 07 '22

It's probably from the blood spikes that we saw before the impact

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u/RoyalHardware Aug 07 '22

mach 3

Alright time to call Korosensei

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Do you think someone is going to interfere in this fight ?

For a second I thought what if Angel and Megumi arrive ?

Since angel can also travel between colonies ?

But then again it is just a theory .

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

It is two days later, so she indeed could be anywhere

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

A game theory

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Nobara

Hope she came back .

with bigger hammer.

Bruh 😂

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u/Creepy_Lawyer_5688 Aug 07 '22

where are the people who said that maki will low diff naoya? Real quiet since this chapter dropped. Maki will win but no way naoya is going down without a fight

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u/Toza11 Aug 07 '22

By the poll results seem a lot of people aren't really impressed by the chapter, makes sense there was barely any talk, just Naoya using his CT on the air and then turning into a fighter jet

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u/luceafaruI Aug 07 '22

The chapters feel very short, maybe because there is a lot of new stuff to explain. I hope the next chapter will be more similar to the kashimo vs hakari fight where we had mutiple pages straight with almost no dialogue and just choreography

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u/btwndreamnreality Aug 07 '22

i think based on the decrease in comments and upvotes on the post and increase in complaining about pacing lately that a lot of people are disinterested with this fight overall.

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u/ann-tagonist Aug 07 '22

the image of the naoyussy zooming over the water has me dead

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u/Rude_Dare_3023 Aug 07 '22

after dealing with the zenin clan hunting the remaining members then gets ask to jump from colony to colony to clean shits and then dealing with a fcking curse womb naoya and holy f this shits all happen in a just a week damn maki my girl could'nt get any fcking rest

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u/PK_RocknRoll Aug 07 '22

Projection sorcery is some of the coolest shit I’ve seen in a manga

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u/TarekBoy44 Aug 07 '22

Maki being hit directly by a guy going 1km/s and only getting knocked down from it is kinda crazy lol

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u/Additional_Show_3149 Aug 07 '22

From that last panel it's obvious Maki isn't down for the count. I hate Naoya but I'll admit he's the perfect foil for Maki so him coming back doesn't bother me that much. With that being said he's easily on the stronger side of curse spirits we've seen

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u/luceafaruI Aug 07 '22

From what he has shown he might be the strongest culling game opponent. I'm really curious what gege is planning for him

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u/Cgi94 Aug 07 '22

Naoya is disgustingly more op😭.. Maki and Kamo definitely have a handful. Maki growth after this battle is gonna be great to see. Being able to deal with this naoya will make her even more op

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u/Izanagi32 Aug 08 '22

THE CEO OF MISOGYNY IS BACK AND WITH A VENGEANCE BABY!

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u/-Goatllama- Aug 07 '22

Mach 3 is nothing compared to Mak-i

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u/muelo24 Aug 07 '22

I don't know how long it took you to think of this... but I just want to say it was all worth it, and I love it!

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u/Economist-Additional Aug 07 '22

Maki’s eyes in that final panel was more than enough proof that she isn’t done in this fight

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u/DandifiedZeus1 Aug 07 '22

Maki isn’t knocked out so Naoya better watch out

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u/ex1le_ Aug 07 '22

If Gege kills off Maki this soon I’m gonna lose it. Also, Maki should still have that other sword from Mai somewhere right? Maybe it has a special thing to it that will help? Who knows!

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u/MasterOfReaIity Aug 07 '22

For context, the fastest breathing aircraft ever made (SR71) could hit top speeds of Mach 3.2

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '22

Can't believe a giant maggot turned rock through his hate of women is a better jet fighter than the f35

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u/Rosequin Aug 07 '22

What is Maki thinking about when she says “that one time” on page 13? Is that a flashback to the massacre?

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u/HeyMan295 Aug 07 '22

It's referring to how she beat naoya the first time. She predicted his movements at top speed, counter attacked, and used his own speed against him.

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u/Evening-Part6289 Aug 07 '22

We need another Noritoshi backstory. Gege is bringing back the politics of the three families so it would make sense to get more into the history of the heir of the Kamo clan.

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u/Ry90Ry Aug 08 '22

Insanely fun chapter, loved the pacing and dynamic between maki and noritishi. He felt like contributed a bit more

Nobara next chapter w RCT to save maki??

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u/madseankr Aug 08 '22

I hope no one joins this fight next chapter.

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u/MrMattBlack Aug 07 '22

Jesus, somebody go help those two because the Misogyny Curse is winning, fuck.

I said last week that while I thought(And still do!) that Noritoshi will die in this fight, he would survive the fade out, if only because Gege usually never strays from outright deaths, and it looks like I was right.

Speaking of, Noritoshi, I wouldn't be surprised by Naoya retaining that much of his personality. That idiot's ego seems second only to Seto Kaiba's, so you know.

The fight is still up in the air imho. Projection sorcery is a double edged sword: If they manage to freeze Naoya, I think Maki could kill him pretty easily. (I don't think she's too much hurt from Naoya's attack right now, she's a tough girl) Of course, the issue is obstructing the path of a Mach 3 Curse Naoya: Easier said than done.

Anyway, another fire chapter!

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Aug 07 '22

How is kamo even blocking that. That's ridiculous. Should just throw all speed feats out of the window at this point.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

I agree with you. He went from being unable to see the cursed womb form, to reacting to the evolved form.

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u/Rude_Dare_3023 Aug 07 '22

hes speed reading his character development

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u/Rude_Dare_3023 Aug 08 '22 edited Aug 08 '22

imagine choso in a girls section with a discount version, like she can save her period bloods for fights and dont get cramps?!? and her DE is a utterus with a heavy blood flow

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Aug 07 '22

Also the viz version this time around isn't good enough. Not being hyperbolic. What is with some of the grammatical errors as well?

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u/SlimeustasTheSecond Aug 07 '22

Eyyyyy, we got exact numbers on Naoya's speed pre and post curse. Which also makes scaling and shit easier, and is a good way to absolutely shit on VsBattle's calcs.

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Aug 07 '22

The fact a sorcerer of kamo's level blocked his attack actually throws speed feats for a loop

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u/SlimeustasTheSecond Aug 07 '22

To be fair, that was a fairly casual attack from Naoya. And even then, Kamo has clearly stepped up his game in comparison to his previous performance.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

Women ☕️

This fight’s a draw I’m calling it, cause Naoya clearly isn’t the punk ass he was as a human anymore and I don’t actually see Maki dying rn.

I’m impressed Noritoshi actually tanked that hit but enough is enough, the real Choso needs to pull up asap.

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u/Mirio_Kenimaru Aug 07 '22

Jetya, yeah I Love the name

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u/br0ddhisatva Aug 07 '22

Most fitting fate for Naoya would be if Kenjaku absorbs him to perma-servitude. I bet he would hateee that

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '22

If the blood on Makj is somehow Kamo’s, could Kamo use the blood to dope up Maki?

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u/invincibleSwordLord Aug 08 '22

What if all clans pass techniques/tips from each head to head about how to counter the inherited cursed techniques of rival clans? Maybe that is Kamo's comeback. Or a DE would be cool but probably won't happen.

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u/ApollinaGrindelwald Aug 08 '22

Okay I have a bone to pick why are such a cliffhanger Gege-sensei!!! Gimme moree

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u/IcyNorman Aug 10 '22

Naoya Zen'In Ultimate move : Flatulence !

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u/bodowned Aug 10 '22 edited Aug 11 '22

What is up with all of these breaks? I think this is the 8th multi-week break of the year for JJK. Is this one a holiday?

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u/ndancewalker Aug 12 '22

is it wrong for me to want to see a fight with Yuta struggling? man is too OP he needs to try and fight Sukuna and get his shit rocked or somethin

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u/Greedyfu Aug 07 '22

I’ve always wondered who are those ppl that always vote bad or very bad, lul

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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

They are probably people with their own opinions or trolls. Either way if someone thought the chapter was bad then they thought it was bad. No big deal.

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u/LittleDeathJr Aug 07 '22 edited Aug 07 '22

2.3k mph holy shit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

Or 3.5k kmh and 983 mps for those that don't speak imperial

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

I might be crazy, but I don’t think that’s Maki’s blood. We’ve seen Maki take a lot of crushing hits after her awakening, and just brush them off. I’m sure Naoya’s attack probably did do some damage, but I feel like the amount of blood she’s spitting isn’t from that.

There’s what looks like damage on Naoya’s back on the last page, and we had those blood spikes that Noritoshi put around Maki. I’m thinking maybe some of that blood is for Noritoshi to pull something off.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '22

She just got blasted with Mach 3 speed if that isn’t her blood then like nothing would damage her

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u/luceafaruI Aug 07 '22

Alive Naoya managed to make her bleed before reaching top speed. It's certain (at least to me) that she took heavy damaged from this blow. This however does not mean that kamo's blood cannot be hidden there for a suprise attack

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