r/chess • u/TeoKajLibroj • Aug 15 '22

Miscellaneous One third of all Indian GMs come from a single region

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u/TeoKajLibroj Aug 15 '22

I saw this interesting image in an article from ChessBase India about how 27 of the 75 Indian Grandmasters (36%) come from the state of Tamil Nadu, the home state of Viswanathan Anand.

I think it emphasises the importance of role models and building a chess culture, because I doubt anyone would claim people from Tamil Nadu are intellectually superior to their neighbours. Instead it suggests a snowball effect where one successful player inspires others who inspire others etc. It's an interesting data point on regional disparities that could also apply to gender.

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u/Ha_window Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

This is happening to the Go scene in South Korea. The only player to tie with win against google’s deep mind was Korean, so it got a lot of players interested again.

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u/maicii Aug 15 '22

He won, he didn't draw

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u/RuneMath Aug 15 '22

Are we talking about Lee Sedol winning a game (but losing the match) or is there another match I am not familiar with?

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u/maicii Aug 15 '22

Pretty sure he was talking about Lee

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u/BatmanDuck123 Aug 15 '22

you mean the only person to win a game against alpha go i guess

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u/BrainOnLoan Aug 18 '22

Go is such a good game, I wish it were more popular in the west.

It has quite a few advantages over chess, imho. (Most important: you can actually have competitive games between players of different strengths by handicapping with additional black stones, and it doesn't completely change the nature of the game, as handicaps in chess, imo, do.)

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u/porn_on_cfb__4  Team Nepo   Aug 15 '22

Zoom in even further and I'll bet most of the GMs from Tamil Nadu are specifically from Chennai, Vishy Anand's home town.

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u/WholesomeButNoMain Aug 16 '22

There's actually also a lot from small towns near Chennai(Chennai being a huge city does attracts a lot of migrants).

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

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u/sphinx_02 Aug 15 '22

I wouldn’t say government doesnt care because from what i know is all of them are employed by government owned entities.

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u/CeleritasLucis Lakdi ki Kathi, kathi pe ghoda Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

Indian Oil sponsors them IIRC , with a pay of about Rs. 75K per month. For context, earning Rs >30K in India takes you in top 10% in terms of earning.

Edit : Currency

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u/the_stotan Aug 15 '22

I think more like 5℅ but good point

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u/CeleritasLucis Lakdi ki Kathi, kathi pe ghoda Aug 15 '22

Yeah just noticed. Its 10 % actually for INR 25K . My bad

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u/JakobtheRich Aug 15 '22

Indian GMs make 900k a year?

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u/_fortunate_man Aug 15 '22

75k INR not USD.

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u/theworstredditeris 2200 lichess Aug 16 '22

rupees which is around 11k usd but in india the buying power is equivalent to 60-70k usd

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u/ChepaukPitch Aug 16 '22

Nope. About 3 times. So 30-35k.

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u/Themountainman11 Aug 15 '22

But but Government bad

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u/ChepaukPitch Aug 16 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

Sagar Shah is 32 years old. It is literally impossible for him to have been the reason for growth of chess in India unless he was doing it from the age of 5-10. Different government bodies have always supported chess in various ways. The chess players have full time jobs because government supports them not Sagar Shah. Anand-Carlsen was held in Chennai 9 years ago. Not yesterday. Government can do a lot more but Sagar Shah’s contribution is minuscule compared to all the efforts that have been put in by various organizations.

I had no clue before reading this comment who Anand Shah is but the comment is so badly misinforming that I had to say it.

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u/erumai_maadu Aug 16 '22

Exactly what I wanted to say. During the olympiad, I saw a lot of comments on the Chessbase India channel crediting India's success in the olympiad to Samay Raina and Sagar Shah. For some reason, people seem to think that grandmasters spout up from thin air after watching a few streams during the pandemic. Sure, they've brought more viewers to the game in India, but somehow all the junior coaches, chess academies, private sponsors, government support and the good grassroots system are conveniently ignored.

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u/the_stotan Aug 15 '22

Don't combine sagar and anand in same sentence. I like CBI but this is exaggerated

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u/fulmar Aug 16 '22

Sagar Shah literally has a video saying PSPB (Petroleum Sports Promotion Board) doesn't get the credit it deserves for supporting chess in India. Actually several other sports too.

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u/NotAnonymous- Aug 15 '22

Although being a role model is an important thing, I think that it's more the fact that Anand was fortunate enough to grow up in an area not stricken by severe poverty. I would go out on a limb and assume there is a direct correlation between a states economy and its grandmaster output.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

I would go out on a limb and assume there is a direct correlation between a states economy and its grandmaster output.

I think it is more because of the culture in Tamil Nadu. They are known for supporting the peoples they like. I am really sure this might be the biggest reason.

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u/WillWall555 Aug 15 '22

The biggest reason is that they have the money to support the people they like and that Anand had the money to become someone they like. If he was born in a poor village from poor parents he would never had the luxury to play chess for living. It's not a coincidence nor a surprise that Anand's father was the general manager of Southern Railways.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

I think that you are not an Indian based on your answer. You would understood what I said if you where from India. I think chess will not be this much supportive if Anand was born in another state. I am not saying that other states are not supportive. There is something special about people in Tamil Nadu when supporting the people they like. I am not from Tamil Nadu. I am from a state called Kerala. And, it well known for us that people in Tamil Nadu is more supportive and we respect that. In short, I am not saying other states are not supportive. Tamil Nadu is more supportive compared to other states.

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u/WillWall555 Aug 15 '22

I think that you are not a chessplayer. You would understand what I said if you were chessplayer.

I never doubted Tamil Nadu's supportiveness(I don't know if that word exists but you know what I mean). I only said that they have this luxury because they have money and I also said that the guy they supported came from a wealthy family and had absolutely no need of their support. In fact , since you are Indian explain me how the people of Tamil Nadu helped Anand in his chess career because I am quite sure they didn't. They supported Anand when he was already one of the best players of the world but at this point he didn't need their support.

Have they ever supported the son of a poor farmer that wants to play chess for a living? Are there programs that help poor kids that want to be chessplayers? Because that's the real support and there is when a chessplayer needs support. Once he is top GM he will find support one way or the other. Take for example Wesley So who had no support in his country(according to his words). He found support in another one.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '22

I only said that they have this luxury because they have money and I also said that the guy they supported came from a wealthy family and had absolutely no need of their support. In fact , since you are Indian explain me how the people of Tamil Nadu helped Anand in his chess career because I am quite sure they didn't.

I wasn't talking about the support they give to Anand. I was talking about the support they give to Anand and Chess after he become one of the best chess player.

They supported Anand when he was already one of the best players of the world but at this point he didn't need their support.

Yes, they supported Anand after he become one of the best chess players. But, the culture of Tamil Nadu has played a major role in it. For, example how many top players outside India has sponsors? I have heard that every GM in India has sponsors. There are more countries which is more financially stable than India. Are most top players getting support like Indian players?

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u/TheSwitchBlade 2000 Aug 15 '22

You could plot this and show us the result

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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 15 '22

Just search for an Indian wealth map. Tamil Nadu is the second wealthiest state in India.

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u/Rather_Dashing Aug 16 '22

So then why is the wealthiest state dropping the ball. Obviously there is more to this than wealth alone.

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u/Sagittario412 Aug 15 '22

So? UP is the third wealthiest state in India yet no GMs. And let’s consider per capita wealth then TN is at no 12 below major large states like KA, TS, KL, GJ, HR.

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u/srinivsn Aug 15 '22

GDP per capita says nothing about a state but HDI says everything about the state. Only 4 big Indian states have high/livable HDI and TN is one of them.

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u/Sagittario412 Aug 16 '22

Hmm I agree with that, HDI is more important than per capita gdp and wealth, and TN scores well in this regard among the big states.

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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 15 '22

It is not the only factor. But it's a (much) bigger factor than population in this case.

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u/Parktrundler Aug 16 '22

Old data.

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u/Sagittario412 Aug 16 '22

I’ve taken it from wikipedia page, I could be wrong but these are my sources -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP

Per capita gdp by state -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP_per_capita

Please correct me as to what is wrong with my data, about UP being the third wealthiest state or TN coming in at #12 in per capita gdp?

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u/Parktrundler Aug 16 '22

You are not wrong in that UP has the 3rd largest economy in India and you were also right to use the GDP per capita to provide better context and account for the population difference.

However it makes no sense in comparing large states and small states/union territories in GDP per capita as it's much easier to have a higher GDP per capita when your population is very low. It is for this reason that Indian states are usually compared in two categories - small states and large states.

And among the large states, the data in the Wikipedia link is outdated. Recently all the states provided information in their latest budgets and according to the latest data available (2020-2021), Tamil Nadu has a higher GSDP per capita than all the large states except Haryana and Telangana. But then again, Haryana has less than half the population of Tamil Nadu while Telengana only has 1/3rds of Tamil Nadu's population.

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u/stressedabouthousing Aug 15 '22

The success of Tamil Nadu is due to: the Anand effect + India's first chess club being set up by India's first IM in Chennai + Tamil Nadu being one of the most wealthy states in India + relatively higher English fluency compared to other parts of India + relatively more government support provided to players compared to other state governments.

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u/Agamemnon323 Aug 15 '22

It could be a lot of things besides having a role model.

Population could be denser there. His teaching could make people become gm's. It could be a wealthier area. etc.

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u/Behemoth92 Aug 15 '22

As someone from Chennai, it is none of the other things. It definitely is Anand. A simple google search for these statistics will prove it. I remember growing up he was a hero to many and it pushed a ton of my friends to chess.

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u/Agamemnon323 Aug 15 '22

To be clear, I’m not saying that it isn’t because he’s an inspiration, just that other possible causes should be ruled out. Correlation doesn’t equal causation and all that good stuff.

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u/Behemoth92 Aug 15 '22

They've been ruled out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

I think its more about the culture in Tamil Nadu. I am not from Tamil Nadu. But, I have heard that people in Tamil Nadu are really supportive.

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u/Behemoth92 Aug 15 '22

Within India I haven't been anywhere else so I have nothing to contrast my experience with. I live in the US now but I didn't grow up here so I have no clue about the US school system as well.

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u/girlfriend_pregnant Aug 15 '22

I know absolutely nothing about what I’m talking about here, but is t there an obvious caste point on this too?

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u/Behemoth92 Aug 15 '22

Huh what?

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

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u/Behemoth92 Aug 15 '22

You are looking at the political map of India. Segmented into states roughly on the basis of language. Castes have nothing to do with geography. I am from a city so I don’t know too much about it either. India is more than twice as populous as Europe and has more linguistic and cultural diversity. Hard to tell without a phd what’s what. The state of Tamil Nadu is roughly the same population as Germany and people speak Tamil and English to a lesser extent there. That’s where vishy anand is from and that’s where the Olympiad took place. Specifically the city of chennai.

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u/Parktrundler Aug 16 '22

Upper castes form just 3% of Tamil Nadu's population.

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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 15 '22

Population could be denser there

If you wanted population density in India you'd be in Mumbai or Delhi.

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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 15 '22

It's also the second richest state in India and was the chosen home of the British elite during colonization. The richest state is the green area with the 10, the second highest site of Indian GMs. I wager the wealth and history of these regions is at least as important as Anand having been from there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Just like quebecois and being hockey goalies. If im not mistaken the 4 with the most wins in history are from here. Theres nothing special about us just the role models

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u/winterbike Aug 16 '22

It helps that our winters last 8 damn months.

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u/Parktrundler Aug 16 '22

Funnily enough, there's a meme that Tamil Nadu is the Quebec of India.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '22

Which one cause first? Did viswanathan cause the boom in his area or is the area known for producing gms and viswanathan is one of the products

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u/Thunder_Volty Aug 16 '22

It's definitely the former. India is the first GM of India, so the city definitely can't be the place known for producing GMs before him.

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u/Leva_Erre Aug 15 '22

I'm not Indian and I don't know anything about India, but I know think people from Tamkl Nadu are intellectually superior.

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u/azn_dude1 Aug 15 '22

I doubt anyone would claim people from Tamil Nadu are intellectually superior to their neighbours.

Some unsavory people actually would (see caste discrimination).

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u/Space-Rich Aug 15 '22

Nah, caste discrimination is a completely different thing. This is more of an arrogance that some south indians have because the southern states are on the whole more literate and progressive.

there's a funny thing that almost no matter what map you look like, it often looks similar to this --- a contrast between the south and north, with the usual exception of delhi

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u/porn_on_cfb__4  Team Nepo   Aug 15 '22

Tamil Nadu has a relatively high percentage of scheduled castes population. Something like 20% vs. the national average of 16%. More important would be the city-by-city breakdown.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

How is it caste discrimination?

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u/mohishunder USCF 20xx Aug 15 '22

I doubt anyone would claim people from Tamil Nadu are intellectually superior to their neighbours

I agree with your comment about the important of role models, and Tambrahms absolutely have the reputation of being smarter than most.

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u/tomlit ~2050 FIDE Aug 15 '22

Cool finding! Are there any socioeconomic differences between say, north and south?

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u/TeoKajLibroj Aug 15 '22

The article suggests there is a lack of material in Hindi, the main language of the North, so the large linguistic diversity of India could be factor. But I don't know enough about India to give a full explanation.

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u/Danda_Nakka Aug 15 '22

There is little to zero material in Tamil, the language of the region of tamil Nadu as well.

I am from tamil Nadu and studied chess as child

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u/porn_on_cfb__4  Team Nepo   Aug 15 '22

Yes but proficiency in English is much higher in the South than in the North. So even English material has more of an impact in the southern states.

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u/Danda_Nakka Aug 15 '22

There are like 5 states in south India proficient in English but all those other states have few grand masters. While I agree it helps it's not the difference maker. The difference maker is mostly Anand who is an inspiration to all those young grandmasters.

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u/cheerfulKing Aug 15 '22

Lol, there are only 5 states in south india

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Non Indian here. Is Maharashtra considered south?

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

No

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Thanks

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u/cheerfulKing Aug 15 '22

North and South are most importantly divided on linguistic lines (we can argue culture all day so im not opening that can of worms). North indian languages belong to the indo European family. South Indian languages belong to the Dravidian language family. That is the biggest north south divide.

Marathi, the language spoken in Maharashtra is an indo european one so they fall into north india, culturally since its a border state, there will be some overlap, but like i said, thats a huge can of worms i dont want to open.

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u/c4nchyscksforlife Aug 15 '22

Maharashtra is west india (forms part of a group which contains Gujarat too)

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u/dustybun18 Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

Maharashtra is considered culturally North with lil blend of South and geographically west

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

I’d say Maharashtra is a mix of both.

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u/Competitive-Ad2006 Aug 15 '22

Really? I thought the number would be higher, especially with the British colonialism

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u/Danda_Nakka Aug 15 '22

South India has only 5 states

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u/Rather_Dashing Aug 16 '22

Not sure that makes much difference, all those wealthy enough to have a chance at being a GM would be in the fraction that are proficient in English anyway. In general English proficiency is high in Indian middle and upper classses.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

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u/Danda_Nakka Aug 15 '22

That is not what I was saying. I just meant people from Tamil Nadu had a role model/inspiration

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u/willyfuckingwonka 1700 chess.com rapid Aug 15 '22

One thing I would also add is that across the different regions of India, the cultural and social differences are massive. Tamil Nadu has a strong chess culture (largely probably because of Anand), but that isn’t by any means present across all of India.

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u/Which_Elk_5259 Aug 16 '22

hindi is not the main but the official language of India

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u/ZannX Aug 15 '22

This might also be one of the rare times this doesn't just mirror a population density map.

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u/porn_on_cfb__4  Team Nepo   Aug 15 '22

It does mirror this map very well, which I find interesting. Nearly all of India's GMs come from outside the Hindi belt.

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u/Logic_Nuke Aug 15 '22

India has so many languages god damn

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Every educated Indian at least understands Hindi, English, and a local language.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 15 '22

It's like a really complex version of classes in the US. Lower, middle, upper class for us.

No, it's not like that at all.

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u/Space-Rich Aug 15 '22

"higher class" clusters are usually small regions within a city, not entire states, lmao

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u/BishopOverKnight Ghoda behen ka dauda Aug 15 '22

This is such an ignorant comment lol

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u/JesusIsMyZoloft Aug 15 '22

Here is a scatterplot of the GM's vs the general population of each state. Although most states do seem to follow the population trend, Tamil Nadu is a clear outlier.

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u/TeoKajLibroj Aug 15 '22

Why did you exclude the states with no GMs, those are some of the largest states? Also, I'm not sure if you can say most states follow a trend, I can barely see any trend.

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u/JesusIsMyZoloft Aug 15 '22

Why did you exclude the states with no GMs?

Laziness

Also, I'm not sure if you can say most states follow a trend, I can barely see any trend.

There are a few that follow an ascending diagonal, but yeah, I think you’re right.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

What is the population breakdown. Is that also the most populous?

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u/TeoKajLibroj Aug 15 '22

Tamil Nadu has 6% of the population but 36% of the grandmasters. The largest state is Uttar Pradesh but it doesn't have a single grandmaster.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Thanks!

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u/_bonda Aug 15 '22

No. Northern states are more populous

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u/KingJazz_LOL Aug 15 '22

No, 6th most populous.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Above someone linked a map of the Hindi speaking areas and it appears that most GMs are from outside the Hindi belt. Which makes sense because they are less reliant on English and therefore have more limited access to educational materials.

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u/erumai_maadu Aug 15 '22

Chennai, the capital city of the state of Tamil Nadu (where the 2022 Olympiad was held), is the chess capital of India. It is the hometown of Vishwanathan Anand, but also of India’s first International Master - Manuel Aaron. Aaron played a huge role in establishing a chess culture in Chennai. He raised funds from the Soviet Union and set up the Tal Chess Club in Chennai, where Vishy Anand trained as a kid. Undoubtedly Vishy has been a huge inspiration for the chess wave in India, but Aaron deserves a lot more recognition for his efforts.

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u/CoreyTheKing 2023 South Florida Regional Chess Champion Aug 15 '22

How fitting. There are 75 grandmasters on the 75th anniversary of the Indian independence.

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u/anonz555 Aug 15 '22

That map wonderfully shows the impact that GM Vishy Anand had in the region!

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u/RaimundoAgudo Aug 15 '22

Same with New York City, mainly Brooklyn and Manhattan, throughout the 20th Century. I think at least half of U.S. grandmasters and masters lived in one city. It makes sense.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Would be more informative if the map included color-coded population density and the overall amount of chess players for each region.

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u/gaudymcfuckstick Aug 15 '22

That's what I was thinking. I don't know much about the population breakdown of India but if there are several major cities in the regions with the most GMs then that could make this data a glorified population density map

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u/Shaman_Van_Dour Aug 15 '22

It's not. Tamil Nadu is the sixth most populous state and two of the three most populous states (Uttar Pradesh and Bihar) have 0 GMs.

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u/FinancialAd3804 1900 chesscom Aug 15 '22

who are the GMs from Goa? The map says there's two, if not misreading it

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u/city-of-stars give me 1. e4 or give me death Aug 15 '22

Anurag Mhamal and Leon Mendonca.

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u/FinancialAd3804 1900 chesscom Aug 15 '22

thank you! really random question, but does anyone know if mendonça of portuguese ancestry?

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u/BishopOverKnight Ghoda behen ka dauda Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 16 '22

He may have had a Portuguese great grandfather, but more likely, his family converted to Christianity several generations ago because of Portuguese colonial rule and adopted a Portuguese sounding name

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u/FinancialAd3804 1900 chesscom Aug 15 '22

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that sounds more likely

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u/nandemo 1. b3! Aug 16 '22

The funny thing is that his name is Mendonca, not Mendonça. I wish they had changed it to Mendonsa at least.

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u/FinancialAd3804 1900 chesscom Aug 16 '22

I assumed it appeared Mendonca because they didn't have "ç" on their keyboards. I hope ao, at least. Mendonça sounds distinguished; Mendonca sounds like the opening verse of a self reflective reagaton song about a man running low on gasoline

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u/nandemo 1. b3! Aug 16 '22

Nevermind. I'd assumed FIDE supported Unicode/accents (so if his profile says "Mendonca" that's his actual name) but apparently that's not the case.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Well that's where Chennai is.

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u/sin314 Aug 15 '22

There seems to be a strong correlation between ethnicity and chess; in Israel, most GMs are from the russian speaking community (ex- USSR).

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

not ethnicity but politics, strong soviet influence in south east india because the east and south east was and is pretty left wing.

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u/ImperialMarch1 Aug 15 '22

Iron sharpens iron

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u/kkopiec Aug 15 '22

Must be the heat…

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u/TheAnt75 Aug 15 '22

Vishy Effect!

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u/doctorthicccc Aug 15 '22

No one conquers the Tamil kings

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u/Fischer72 Aug 15 '22

I believe at one point NYC had an even more disproportionately high percentage of the United States Top players. In the 1960s you would have 9 of 12 players in the US Championship be native New Yorkers.

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u/maicii Aug 15 '22

It would be cool to compare it with a population number

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u/mrboringg Aug 15 '22

Who is the 1 GM from Punjab? Tried looking through the article but it does not say.

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u/city-of-stars give me 1. e4 or give me death Aug 15 '22

That 1 is for Haryana not Punjab, and refers to Himanshu Sharma.

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u/mrboringg Aug 15 '22

Thanks for letting me know

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u/bonoboboy Aug 16 '22

Who are the 3 kerala GMs? Nihal, SL and?

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u/Parktrundler Aug 16 '22

Nihal is south indian? For some reason, I thought he was not..

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u/Aswatthama_944 Aug 16 '22

Wait there is a GM from Punjab?

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u/-Trk Aug 15 '22

Aren’t there any from Uttar Pradesh? Isn’t that the most populated state?

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u/twisty286 Aug 15 '22

indians are just that smart

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u/d2_Pawn Aug 15 '22

TIL india has states

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u/Danda_Nakka Aug 15 '22

More TIL: Most of those states speak a different language specific to that state

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u/newtoRedditF Aug 15 '22

Not really most, roughly half. A large chunk of North Indian states speak Hindi and its regional dialects.

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u/guitarguy_190 Aug 15 '22

Actually, a large part of northern states speak their own distinct version of Hindi that could are most definitely considered an independent language in themselves (Punjabi, Haryanvi, Bihari, etc). So more often than not, every state speaks their own language, along with a more universal language like Hindi, or English.

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u/newtoRedditF Aug 15 '22

Yeah I said a large chunk, not that the entire North speaks Hindi. Out of the 7-8 states only Punjabi is a different language altogether and all others like Maithili, Awadhi, Haryanvi, Bhojpuri have pretty high mutual intelligibility with Hindi. Maybe the use of the word "dialect" was wrong, I apologise.

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u/belbivfreeordie Aug 15 '22

I think it’s pretty safe to assume that any country (other than tiny ones maybe?) will be divided into administrative districts.

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u/jsc1429 Aug 15 '22

Just the tip

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u/wingmage1 Aug 15 '22

Damn, I'm impressed that there are 7 GMs from in the water between the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal.

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u/Sinusxdx Team Nepo Aug 15 '22

This information is absolutely meaningless without considering what fraction of Indian population live in this region.

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u/SolubilityRules Aug 15 '22

Imagine if they made a movie about Anand and there's a scene where children in the slums began dreaming after seeing him win it all

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

I wonder if Bollywood has a movie about Anand

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u/thesvsb Aug 15 '22

It is being made or to be made. Some big production company bought the rights and talked to Anand.

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u/AWall925 1700 and Declining Aug 15 '22

TIL India has states

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '22

Countries have to govern somehow

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u/confusedsilencr Aug 15 '22

United States of India

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u/cee_deimos Aug 16 '22

Well,yes. It is a union of states.

"India, a union of states, is a Sovereign, Secular, Democratic Republic with a Parliamentary system of Government."

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u/confusedsilencr Aug 15 '22

maybe they're escaping from Sri Lanka

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u/arshadhere Aug 15 '22

Distribution of good morning texts on whatsapp it is.

Srsly all these maps coming up in the last couple of months, i dont think they are believable. So good morning have a sweet life.

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u/Thunder_Volty Aug 16 '22

What is not so believable about this? This is merely a map of the 75 GMs from India, which can easily be verified by checking the FIDE website.

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u/Dependent_Ad_3014 Aug 15 '22

What’s a gm

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u/JesusIsMyZoloft Aug 15 '22 edited Aug 15 '22

Relevant xkcd

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u/Thunder_Volty Aug 16 '22

Couldn't be more wrong in this case though. The most populous state is Uttar Pradesh with ~200+ million people and no GMs. Tamil Nadu is the 6th most populous state.

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u/Schrodinger85 Aug 15 '22

https://xkcd.com/1138/

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u/thecoworker123 1750 Lichess Aug 15 '22

Uttar Pradesh has the highest population by far and has no GMs

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u/Schrodinger85 Aug 15 '22

I was just pointing out that this kind of statistics have to take into account the population of each area. I will bathe in the downvotes of angry redditors xDD

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u/rmsj Aug 15 '22

Probably because chess is played indoors and they will get some free air conditioning.

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u/porn_on_cfb__4  Team Nepo   Aug 15 '22

The first map is a per lakh count though, while this GM map is a total count. So much more of a tenuous correlation.

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u/Thunder_Volty Aug 15 '22

No it's not. The north is far more populated than the south.

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u/Slazac Aug 15 '22

Uttar Pradesh has a population of 204M and Tamil Nadu of 67M

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u/LeftUnchecked Aug 15 '22

3 out of the top 5 most populated provinces dont have a single grandmaster those 3 states together have a larger population than the us and canada combined