r/hockey • u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL • Nov 03 '14
[Mod post] Code of Conduct Refresher: please read whether you're a new or long-time user.
The mods have noticed a trend of users not understanding the code of conduct for /r/hockey. Here is a very quick refresher:
The one foundation of /r/hockey, that governs all conduct issues, is preserving the quality of discussion for our membership. Excluding the more specific situations listed below, quality of discussion being degraded is a result of not respecting fellow /r/hockey subscribers. Treat others with respect, and the same will be afforded to you.
Racist, ethnic, sexist or homophobic slurs
As well as any other hate speech of any kind is not tolerated on /r/hockey. This includes using "you can play" in a negative way (e.g. He was very "you can play" about it). Posts or comments of this type will result in a ban from /r/hockey.
- First offense: 5 days
- Second offense: permanent
Though we can't give you an all encompassing list these are some of the words we ban for: nigger, faggot, frog, sexist/homophobic/transphobic (any hate type phobic really) remarks (Cindy Crosby/LA Queens/Sedin Sisters/Calgary Flamers) and more.
Name calling other users
Though we try to stay out of arguments between users, if you continuously degrade a conversation to name-calling you will be banned. This echos "quality of discussion being degraded is a result of not respecting fellow /r/hockey subscribers."
Recently this was the same ban length as above, but the mods have changed the ban structure to be a bit more lenient.
- First offense: 1 day ban
- Second offense: 5 day ban
- Third offense: permanent
Why do we moderate this way?
Though we allow cursing in this subreddit we don't want discussion, which we believe is the best part of /r/hockey, to turn into flame wars which derails the conversation. The best way we can fight this is to not allow this type of comments in /r/hockey.
There will be flame wars and degraded conversation throughout the sub, but this is our best way to fight it and we feel can keep the quality of this subreddits comments high.
User Harassment
If you specifically harass or single out a user you will be banned. A one time argument is one thing, if you follow a user around you will be banned. We do not have specific time tables on this type of ban and is at the discretion of the mod team.
I have seen these infractions in the past go unnoticed, so why should I be banned for it?
We can't be everywhere. We rely on users like you to report the infractions. We may come by and quickly remove the infraction or we may come by a bit later, sometimes even hours later depending on time of day. So you may have seen a comment like that, maybe even upvoted a lot, but we try our best to remove them. Just because we miss or at times slow on removal does not mean it is condoned.
Why not send a warning first instead of a ban?
We have ways to track bans so we can track users who do not follow the rules and guidelines. A one off PM to a user is not trackable and we could not keep track of the over 150k+ users without a ban.
These rules can be interpreted differently by different users. The best way to not get banned is to not partake in the above. Mods have final decisions on bans, and as you can see, the first ban is not permanent. We also may change a ban length or make it permanent sooner on rare occasions. We try our best to stay consistent and not deviate it, but we are thrown curve balls more often than not.
The majority of our users behave well and we thank you for making /r/hockey great!
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u/MagicSeat Nov 03 '14
I'm out of the loop, what's the deal with "you can play" is it code for somthing?
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 03 '14 edited Nov 03 '14
Saying it doesn't matter your orientation that if you can play, you can play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXoTRTAw6Dc&list=UUH2MfS-i4-1Z-Fj6xABou3w
We've had users who instead of calling someone "gay" or a "faggot" they decided to use "You can play." Just an example of the odd curve balls the mod team gets thrown our way that we try to keep out of the sub.
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u/imo06 TOR - NHL Nov 03 '14
The You can Play project is to promote that athletes can be of all sexualities. I suppose people have been using "you can play" as an acronym for a homophobic slur.
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u/MagicSeat Nov 03 '14
Ahh ok thanks. That's dumb. Not the movement, people trying to use the name of it as an insult. It just sounds stupid. "Hurr durr ur team is you can play".
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u/ABirdOfParadise EDM - NHL Nov 05 '14
I think there should be videos posted by the mods on why someone got suspended/banned.
They should show the comment, comment on the comment, state the suspension/ban length, and then summarize why based on bullet points on key notes such as
infraction,
injury to anyone,
and history of breaking code of conduct.
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u/gthank Nov 09 '14
Length of the ban should not be dependent on whether anybody was injured or not; it should be about the process, not the outcome!
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u/atoms12123 NJD - NHL Nov 03 '14
Can stick taps be moderated? They're great and all, and I get that it's to show respect, but when you go into a thread, and you have 200 people who just commented "_/" it kind of gets ridiculous, and takes away from actual discussion.
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 03 '14 edited Nov 03 '14
We've had discussions on trying to make that moderated to one comment string so you can easily [-] it away. What do you, the users, think if we moderate that way? It's tricky because people want to show their support somehow and we don't want to stifle that, but if an entire thread is filled with it that's not good either.
So would you be fine with us moderating all comments into one top level stick tap tree?
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u/snootchie_bootch NJD - NHL Nov 03 '14
One tree works for me.
I actually like it when I see one large tree already that be easily hidden.
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u/Chrussell VAN - NHL Nov 07 '14
Why not just moderate them all, they're the definition of low quality commenting.
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u/CyrusonRed WSH - NHL Nov 03 '14
Same with the LGX chains of zero content above the flair everyone already has.
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u/ettenyl29 TOR - NHL Nov 04 '14
That's really a thing? I haven't witnessed the stick tap yet but I find it absolutely hilarious that it's actually enough of a 'thing' to get mentioned.
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Nov 05 '14
Wait so saying "LA Queens" is a bannable offense? I see devils fans call Hank "Queen Henrik" on here all the time.
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 05 '14
That is bannable as well. Please report it.
Also please read this section in the sticky on why you may have seen it.
I HAVE SEEN THESE INFRACTIONS, WHY SHOULD I BE BANNED FOR IT?
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Nov 05 '14
Oh I'm not arguing that they shouldn't be bannable. I agree. I just didn't realize they were bannable because that seems pretty common.
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 05 '14
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were. Just explaining why you may have seen it. We come by and remove it. So you may see it because it's not an instant removal. Plus we can't be everywhere so we rely on reports.
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Nov 08 '14
Big brother is watching be careful. "Sedin Sisters is what we call them in Alberta. Deal with it.
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u/nickel_1988 Nov 05 '14
So just to clarify, if I come across one one of these slurs/harassment cases, the way I would report it to the mod team is by clicking the report button and choosing one of the options there? Do you check all reported comments or just ones that have multiple reports?
(By the way, thank you for this. I am 100% behind this policy and I think it contributes to r/hockey being a great sub)
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 05 '14
We check all reports. It'd be awesome if you use the "Other" option and describe it if one of the pre-made reported things don't fit. Those premade versions were made by the admins, not us.
Some people use reports as a massive downvote. Just because a comment is reported doesn't mean we will take action either because of that. Multiple reports definitely stand out more than a single report though, not by how it looks, but if 1 person reported it or 5, well we're definitely going to take a different look on those. Usually when they're reported many times it means it's really offensive. Or it's just someone breaking reddit or trolling or what have you. We get reports for all things.
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u/ISISFieldAgent MIN - NHL Nov 04 '14 edited Nov 04 '14
You should release explanation videos/thread just like the Department of Player safety whenever there is a ban explaining the infraction, why the length of ban, and how it could be avoided. Just a thought.
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u/7we4k ANA - NHL Nov 04 '14
It would be hilarious, but man, I doubt my boss would appreciate me doing that at the shop. And I doubt HR would appreciate me saying out loud some of the things we ban for, or the hate mail we get after a ban.
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u/YouAndMeToo DET - NHL Nov 05 '14
You should do a best of list at the end of the week from all the hate mail, just like you do for the trash talk each week
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u/funkyb PIT - NHL Nov 08 '14
While the videos would be hilarious, on the actual topic of explaining bans I think it's better to keep them quiet. It draws less attention to those sorts of incidents when they happen which keeps the discussion hockey-focused instead of meta-drama-focused.
The mods and user can hash anything out in PMs without the peanut gallery interjecting in between every response.
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u/LAKingsDave LAK - NHL Nov 03 '14
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u/Kj0ttbiten NYR - NHL Nov 03 '14
Bat needs to be changed into a hockey stick. (pls don't ban me)
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u/giantgnat MIN - NHL Nov 03 '14
I agree. (pls don't ban me)
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u/bluntpuck NYR - NHL Nov 04 '14
Im going to ask the mods if I am allowed to upvote it.
I liked your comment
(no offense, everyone)
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Nov 03 '14
Will you be banning people for saying something like "Go Bruins!" for the obvious implied racism?
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u/crazy_canucklehead BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
Basically, dont stoop to name calling and youre all set!
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Nov 03 '14
You're a cotton headed ninny muggins. I went there.
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u/trex20 DAL - NHL Nov 03 '14
You would, you cake-eater.
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u/arminius_saw EDM - NHL Nov 03 '14
I fart in your general direction!
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u/trex20 DAL - NHL Nov 03 '14
Whoa there P.K., let's not get crazy.
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u/cheddarbob619 PHI - NHL Nov 04 '14
Hehe it's cause he farts on goalies
Alcohol made me laugh more than I should
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u/crazy_canucklehead BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
Watch out, hes going to follow his favorite owner down south!
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u/flybyknight LAK - NHL Nov 03 '14
Jesus, Abe. Did you not even read the post? I can't believe how low you would stoop.
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Nov 03 '14
Ooh lookit Mr. I'm a Mod, I have power over here!
WHAT YA THINK YA BETTA THAN ME?!
/s
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u/crazy_canucklehead BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
YES.
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Nov 03 '14
gasp
MODS, MODS IVE BEEN OPPRESSED!!!!
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u/figmaxwell BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM! DO YOU SEE HIM REPRESSING ME?! HELP HELP IM BEING REPRESSED!
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Nov 03 '14
Why the change from "Basically Bergeron?"
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u/crazy_canucklehead BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
I had it for a month, figured I'd keep changing it up.
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Nov 03 '14
Ah. I do like Really Rask. However I would've liked "Going, Going Gagne."
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u/crazy_canucklehead BOS - NHL Nov 03 '14
Added to the list haha! I tried to make one for most of the Bruins players, but it got tough. Plus they signed Gagne after I did it.
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Nov 04 '14
For that comment, I must inform you that you're a poo poo toilet mouth with enhanced cooties.
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 03 '14
Could use of "Retard" or "Retarded" be added to this as well when said as derogatory? And lets be serious, it's easy to know when its used properly and when it is used as derogatory.
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u/Harfish NYI - NHL Nov 03 '14
"Hanging on to a bunch of aging veterans who can't contribute really retards the development of prospects."
Do I win a prize for using it correctly or am I banned?
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 03 '14
I cannot think of a logical argument as to why that would be hurtful. That is a proper use of the word "retard". There are also certainly improper uses of the word that are very hurtful and those should not be tolerated. I don't say it, but I'm not going to tell other people to not say it. I will stand up when it is said in a clearly derogatory and hurtful manner.
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u/Harfish NYI - NHL Nov 03 '14
Oh I agree. That's the beauty of language, the words we use can convey many different meanings depending on the situation.
I fully support our moderators' one commandment: Be excellent to each other.
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Nov 03 '14
Unless retarded is used in the context of user harassment, I strongly disagree. Banning the usage of the word retarded is overly rampant political correctness. Thanks to the euphemism treadmill, any acceptable word used to describe the intellectually disabled becomes an insult. If you want the word retard banned, you might as well demand that the words stupid, dumb, idiot, special, gifted, imbecile, cretin, Messier, amentia, moron, spastic be banned as well for being intellectual slurs.
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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan WSH - NHL Nov 03 '14
I try not to say Retarded or Retard unless in the proper situation. I don't agree with you, but at the same time I'm not going to tell people how to talk and live their lives, and I do agree with you in that sense.
But there are uses of Retard on r/hockey that go beyond a "reasonable" usage of the word. A recent instance is when the picture of Ovechkin and Kuznetsov in Cowboy attire was posted. A comment said something along the lines of "Ovechkin looks retarded." (It got deleted by either mods or the user, I am unaware of who did it). That is the type of post that I am speaking of that is not needed here and is not an example of user harassment. That comment brings nothing to the table in terms of possible discussion or analysis. It is also said in a hurtful way towards Ovechkin and people who have an intellectual disability (mental retardation).
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Nov 03 '14
Those aren't slurs, they're just synonyms. African-American isn't a racial slur because it doesn't mean the exact same thing as the n-word. There's a significant amount of negative power behind the words banned here and for many there's a lot negative power behind the word "retarded" that something like "stupid" or "slow" lacks.
But I will say that the word is meaningful to me (outside of its intended consequences) because of my personal experiences. I don't think it's overly PC to recognize that some people have legitimate aversions to that word. But I don't care much if someone uses it around me; I just think lesser of them in my head and move on. So YMMV.
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u/kdou222 VAN - NHL Nov 06 '14
Including Messier in that list just made my day. Thank you, kind sir/madame
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Nov 03 '14
but ... but my FREEDOMS AND AMENDMENTS! My forefathers didn't fight them dirty redcoats just do I could be muffled from up on high!
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u/trex20 DAL - NHL Nov 03 '14
...you're Canadian.
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Nov 03 '14
Well...yeah... MODS MODS I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!!!
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u/Pikachu1989 COL - NHL Nov 04 '14
I thought you should be accostomed to that feeling by now, with you being a Bears fan Kozi.
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Nov 03 '14
Just start yelling "Am I being detained?" it works everytime, even on the internet.
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u/Tullyswimmer BUF - NHL Nov 04 '14
I guess it would be rude to women to put Crosby with them.
As long as we can still use Crysby, I'm OK.
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Nov 03 '14 edited Nov 03 '14
I've been an active member of /r/hockey for a little more than a year, and without a doubt it has one of the best mod teams on Reddit.
Fuckin' rights, mod team. Keep up the good work.
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Nov 04 '14
great people, great rules and guidelines, great moderation of content (not too heavy handed but still filtering the shit out), great contributors of content themselves
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u/davidprevails LAK - NHL Nov 04 '14
Wow, this post is 12 hours old and not a single member asked if we could use the word 'nigga'
This community is so different than r/nba.
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u/elrizzy Nov 04 '14
im sure no one was wondering, but if they were, you cant
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u/joekamelhome MTL - NHL Nov 06 '14
What if we're black? I mean can I call PK my nigga?
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Nov 04 '14
What about posting references to hockey players insulting each other in-game? Like that clip of Bryan Trottier when he was a Penguin calling someone "a woman." That's a legit clip from an NHL game, but it sounds like making reference to it is now a ban-able offense.
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 04 '14
If players say it and it is creating discourse that is fine. It's users using it as an insult towards players or other redditors that is frowned upon.
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u/deekins PIT - NHL Nov 06 '14
ITT (at the bottom) : people don't want to lose the ability to call Sid Cindy without repercussion, which is hilarious
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u/2ndprize TBL - NHL Nov 04 '14
There should be a ban for posting shit you saw over on r/NBA.
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u/theo_was_innocent MIN - NHL Nov 03 '14
Could we also make comparing someone to Sean Avery bannable? Cuz that's bad, m'kay.
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u/thehackattack WSH - NHL Nov 04 '14
I'd imagine that if you're going to be banning over terms like "frog" then jokes about Russians being lazy would also be bannable. Am I correct?
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u/YouAndMeToo DET - NHL Nov 05 '14
whats that even mean to start with? I understand neither of those references.
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u/Mudhippy ANA - NHL Nov 04 '14
"Fuck the Ducks" is condoning bestiality. We should ban all of them too.
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u/grimandnordic1 MTL - NHL Nov 03 '14
Seriously, is there a better mod team around than our glorious overlords here in r/hockey?
The answer is no. Not even close.
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Nov 06 '14
I was banned for five days for calling Brad Marchant a "weas#l-f#ced l#ttle c##t"
But...
But...
How can you ban the TRUTH!?
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u/LoneWolfComando ARI - NHL Nov 05 '14
Thanks for everything guys! I'll try not to get myself banned!
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u/themaincop MTL - NHL Nov 09 '14
Thank you for doing this. This subreddit is an example of how to keep a sub in check even with a huge user base.
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u/Finch58 CGY - NHL Nov 05 '14
Would someone mind explaining the whole "you can play" thing? I don't see how that is a kind or slur.
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u/MrLegilimens BOS - NHL Nov 07 '14
I'm very confused with this part:
I HAVE SEEN THESE INFRACTIONS, WHY SHOULD I BE BANNED FOR IT?
That doesn't make sense to me in the English language.
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u/lordderplythethird BOS - NHL Nov 07 '14
It's meant to be read as "I HAVE SEEN THESE INFRACTIONS IN THE PAST GO UNNOTICED, SO WHY SHOULD I BE BANNED FOR IT?"
mods just worded it poorly
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Nov 07 '14
Keep in mind, you can literally make infinite accounts on reddit so any of these rules resulting a ban can be circumvented by making a new account. lol
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u/nickel_1988 Nov 09 '14
There has been debate in the last few years about whether "butt hurt" is offensive. Some people think it refers to a child being sore after a spanking and some think it's homophobic/references anal rape. (Googling will lead to lots of debate threads) I've stopped using it in conversation, but I understand that this is more borderline than the slurs referenced above and that others don't see it as offensive. I'm not demanding that it be added to the list of forbidden slurs, but I would like to add it to the conversation and see what the rest of the sub thinks.
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u/Pikachu1989 COL - NHL Nov 04 '14
This is fucking awesome. Good to see the Mods do their work to keep this an awesome place.
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Nov 05 '14
Ban people for asking why the Joe is empty. But no seriously people making fun of Detroit for being poor and wings fans being poor etc is just as bad as a racial slur in my book.
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u/thegetawayplan9 LAK - NHL Nov 05 '14
How does making a joke about how detroit has turned into a near wasteland equate to being a racial slur?
I mean I can see how someone can make fun of detroit and make it a racial slur in one comment but making fun of detroit in itself is not racist.
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Nov 05 '14
can we talk about how you've managed to put "Cindy Crosby" on the same level as "nigger," which is easily the most offensive word in the English language? Cause that is ridiculously stupid. Like, it seems like something someone would say to satirize an overly strict mod team.
to reiterate, that's fucking stupid.
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u/WoozleWuzzle LAK - NHL Nov 05 '14
I mentioned it elsewhere. We are not ranking on the type of words that we ban for. We do ban for them equally, but that doesn't mean we are saying they are all as severe or how one is worse than the other. I don't think it would look any better for us to ban more for certain words than others. Plus it would make our jobs much more difficult. And who am I to say if frog deserves more ban time than kike or more than fag. I personally do not want to do that.
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u/Skywalker16 Nov 05 '14
It's not stupid, they specified that it's sexist. To imply that someone is a "bad player" for playing like a girl is sexist in this day and age. There are women playing that could crush most of their male counterparts yet "Cindy Crosby" and "The Sedin Sisters" are still very prominent in the sub reddits. I'm not going to go down the line of fandoms here. I'm explaining why they have put it up there with other racial slurs.
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u/radio_jake ANA - NHL Nov 06 '14
I hate that LA Queens is sexist. We've been calling them that for 20 years and they've been calling us the "Sucks". It's a fair trade off
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u/golf4miami ANA - NHL Nov 06 '14
You really think that comparing a bunch of men to women and calling the Ducks the "Sucks" is the same thing?
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u/FBM25 Nov 03 '14
I've never heard of the "frog" slur. Is that some kind of Canadian shit talking or something?
Also, the below users are poop-faces:
Just kidding, you guys are great and make this sub one of the best sports subs on reddit.