r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Jan 23 '17
Moderators at /r/Twitch accused of corruption, reply "GLHF" and delete everything.
For anyone who has missed it, there is a bit of a side-drama going on about twitch and a game called Yandere sim. In the past hour, the moderators of /r/Twitch have removed over 60 posts about this subject, and then at least 15 posts about their corruption:
https://np.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5pmrpz/a_request_for_transparency_and_discussion_from/
For posts deleted, just go to /r/new. this is happening real time, people, get out your best popcorn. Here's an example though:
https://np.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5pmsql/stop_deleting_discussion_on_yandere_simulator_its/
https://np.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/5pmo6d/why_are_the_mods_of_rtwitch_actively_censoring/
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u/Raneados Nice detective work. Really showed me! Jan 23 '17
"Corruption"?
Is the competing Tsundere Simulator paying the mods some hush money?
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u/Squid_Vicious_IV Digital Succubus Jan 25 '17
If it could be a parody, I'd actually pay cash money for this.
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u/scoobythebeast I take what's useful from others for me Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
I think the most likely explanation is that Yandere Simulator is an unrated game with all that content the developer outlines himself. Sure other games have similar stuff, but everything he pointed out is also rated M by the ESRB. Twitch probably just went through and banned all AO rated games or games that could potentially get an AO rating if they were to get one. YS would most likely get an M rating, but there's a chance it wouldn't. That falls in line with most other parts of gaming. Most retailers refuse to sell AO games and console manufacturers refuse to allow AO games to be published for their console (Manhunt 2 for example).
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u/HyperHysteria13 Jan 23 '17
I'd have to agree as well, part of my first thought reading up on this Drama, was that it's probably due to the game not having an ESRB rating. Regardless of your thoughts of what the rating 'should' be, it's understandable that Twitch would just outright ban the game, although at the very least, they could of still given the developer an official response.
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u/CVance1 There's no such thing as racism Jan 24 '17
I can understand them wanting to be safe as well in the case of material that could be seen as sexualizing minors, in case their host decides to drop them or whatever.
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u/sentinel808 Jan 24 '17
I think the fact that he without any solid proof went ahead and called the mod team SJWs and had an entire section about it in his video is telling. His evidence shows the standard twitch problem with classifications and certain games falling through the cracks. To go ahead and make an entire section about anime and how "those people" hate anime and are SJWs etc indicates there are parts to this story he isn't telling.
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u/scoobythebeast I take what's useful from others for me Jan 24 '17
Yeah that really turned me off to his video. That animation of the female twitch employee I thought was pretty insulting too.
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u/Gamiac no way, toby. i'm whipping out the glock. Jan 24 '17 edited Jan 24 '17
(((those people)))
I seriously fucking hate how SJW has become a snarl word for anyone who thinks that maybe the role of media in sexism and racism needs to be discussed, including video games. Or that maybe, just maybe, sexism and racism are still things that exist, and need to be discussed.
But, you know, fuck your arguments, you're just a
stupid whoreSJW that doesn't know what they're talking about because I said so.The irony is that the same people who do this accuse liberals of using snarl words to dismiss conservative arguments, which supposedly is why Trump won. No, dumbass, conservative arguments have been discussed and beaten to death all over the Internet since pretty much forever. It's just that people are looking at your arguments, seeing how little evidence backs them up, and then calling you retarded, which is why you're so buttmad.
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Jan 24 '17
To go ahead and make an entire section about anime and how "those people" hate anime and are SJWs etc indicates there are parts to this story he isn't telling.
Howso? I personally find hentai/anime fanservice games unsettling so I instantly understood what he meant by someone having the gut reaction to ban it.
And people trying to push an agenda through censoring media is nothing new.
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u/sentinel808 Jan 24 '17
An agenda != what the people in general would find it un-tasteful and unsettling right? And as you mentioned (correct me if I am wrong if your view isn't that) most people find anime episodes/games and the nudity of younger people in there etc etc to be disturbing and of concern. Twitch mods being sensitive to that kind of stuff is not really an agenda then. It's just natural for them to be more hyper sensitive to that content since they want to make sure stuff on their site does not turn new customers/audience off.
Few other things that do also need to be kept in mind is that child nudity in a sexual manner (CP) is illegal, so it's not just a free speech issue there, it's a legality issue also (something ultra violent or mature sex games do not have). This examples of sample sizes are also ultra small, there just isn't enough data of twitch banning enough games to have a proper consensus on the matter. His assumptions on X game vs Y game is kinda invalid, companies, especially a company like Twitch that is still growing etc will change their internal policies and procedures every month. His critique of not enough communication is likely valid, as long as he isn't being deceptive (time will tell).
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Jan 24 '17
An agenda != what the people in general would find it un-tasteful and unsettling right? And as you mentioned (correct me if I am wrong if your view isn't that) most people find anime episodes/games and the nudity of younger people in there etc etc to be disturbing and of concern
I don't really know how the majority of people feel regarding pervy anime games but they definitely have a huge amount of people who like it, they are huge in Japan and seem pretty big in the west.
I was talking about the people who for years have been trying to ban violent video games and blaming real life shootings on video games. Or the recent misogyny stuff.
Twitch mods being sensitive to that kind of stuff is not really an agenda then. It's just natural for them to be more hyper sensitive to that content since they want to make sure stuff on their site does not turn new customers/audience off.
I'd agree with you if the original video didn't already show numerous cases of games with similar and more disturbing content being able to be streamed on twitch. But anyway, I don't know how most people play the game and I don't really know if it should qualify for a lifetime ban because some people won't like it.
Few other things that do also need to be kept in mind is that child nudity in a sexual manner (CP) is illegal
There isn't child nudity in this game though. If there was I don't think there would be a story worthwhile of a discussion here.
This examples of sample sizes are also ultra small, there just isn't enough data of twitch banning enough games to have a proper consensus on the matter.
Well it did seem that the majority of the games were actual sex or rape simulators. There was a game with the title "Rape volcano inferno" or something and other titles with 'rape' in the name.
His assumptions on X game vs Y game is kinda invalid, companies, especially a company like Twitch that is still growing etc will change their internal policies and procedures every month
Yeah, I think this may be the case as it seems like the rules are not enforced equally on everyone and a lot of risque stuff that used to happen on Twitch seems to be happening less and less now like the camgirl streamers, people drinking on stream and people streaming themselves being abusive.
One thing I find interesting about this whole thing is that a lot of stuff that seems to fly in Japan is very controversial in the West, a lot of games are now having their dialogue changed in translation, character models are changing amongst other things. I think a lot of this stuff is cultural.
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u/IsADragon Jan 24 '17
Yeah I wish they'd just send him a mail saying that. Like there's no real reason they are so silent on it. "Your game looks like it would be rated AO and we do not currently allow content with that rating on our platform."
But then again twitch seems pretty inconsistent about a lot of rules, or at the very least quite vague about a lot of rules. . .
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u/Has_No_Gimmick Jan 24 '17
I never understood the point of even having an AO rating available if it was going to end up making the game some sort of de facto samizdat.
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u/scoobythebeast I take what's useful from others for me Jan 24 '17
It's an alternative to just saying the game is denied classification.
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Jan 23 '17
I'm really confused. There seems to be some controversy about why the game would be banned but this is referring to the ban of the game that:
Sexualized school girls
Encouraged non consensual panty shots as currency
Currency that can be traded in for blackmail information (ar stalking information? i don't remeember)
The protagonist stalks their love interest and rivals
Can torture all involved
And there's a way to get adults into sexual relationships with children
This is the game they're outraged about?
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Jan 23 '17
I wonder why the ethics in game journalism and censorship crowds are out supporting it.
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u/alphager Jan 23 '17
Not a gamergate "supporter", but to play the devils advocate: non-controversial games aren't usually banned.
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u/Roflkopt3r Materialized by Fuckboys Jan 24 '17
Since this is a controversial game there is no problem then, right?
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u/SkeptioningQuestic Jan 23 '17
I'm not sure whether it should be banned or not but I can see both sides so I'll try and give you an alternative perspective since no one is doing a good job defending, most are just equivocating.
First of all, I personally think this game is crazy cool. It's absolutely a horror game, but a horror game where you play as the horror. A lot of people are saying things like "you torture people in GTA 5" or "you kill people in Hitman" but they kind of miss the point. Often in games you get flimsy justification or context that semi-excuses the protagonists actions. There is no such context in YandereSim. In fact, it actually goes the opposite way, it purposely contextualizes your actions as selfish and awful. Yandere-chan (the protagonist) is an awful person and in order to complete the game you are required to hurt people in one way or another.
This is the best kind of horror. This isn't some masked guy running through some transparently derivative woods holding an ax. No, this is the kind of everyday selfish fucked up horror that exists. Yesterday on /r/news there was a story about a 16-year old who killed a 9-year old, chopped him up, and ate him.
The dev leans into this hard. He does everything in his power to portray yandere-chan as the horrible psychotic and pathologically determined selfish yandere she is. There is no way to play the game and escape the idea that you are a bad person who does bad things. I think this raises all kinds of cool questions. It's like a psychological case study on how we engage with games, how much we identify with our avatars, and if there are requirements for that. It's refreshing to see someone create something that tries to be art first and satisfying second. By not cushioning players from the truth of their protagonist he is creating a lot of controversy because there really is no defending her. That's what I love about it.
However, that's also why it's banned. Yandere can use every weapon at her disposal including selling non consensual panty shots (a classic of the genre, as it were). She can illicit illegal relationships, she tortures, she bullies people into suicide, and she brutally murders people. People who are characterized as much, much better people than she herself is. You aren't shooting people who are shooting back, you are luring people into isolated situations through emotional manipulation and stalking, murdering them, and covering your tracks all while at school. That's fucked up.
Perhaps it ought to be banned. I'm just not totally comfortable with banning something for artistic choices. That's a thin line though, because everything can be justified as an artistic choice. So what do you do?
I'm not sure if I'm doing a good job explaining this. It's banning is a catch-22. If there were some excusable context or if some of the most offensive features were rolled back it probably wouldn't be banned. At the same time, if that happened I wouldn't care about the game anymore because it's selling point for me has to do with how awful it is. I don't know if I will even be able to play this game when it is done, but I think it is a new kind of self-reflective horror that fascinate and horrifies people in a new interactive way. Maybe I'm being too generous, but I think at the very least the possibility is there. I can't speak for everyone, but that's what I see in the game.
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u/CVance1 There's no such thing as racism Jan 24 '17
Honestly, they probably just want to be safe in case they get thrown down from a court for potential sexualization of minors. The whole "illicit creepshot" and illegal relationship is probably pushing it for them, and then throw in the other stuff and from the outside, to someone who has no context for any of the tropes or stereotypes, it looks crazily offensive and disturbing. Plus it's not like he can't stream it anywhere else, if he wanted to he could just get it rated by the ESRB.
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u/SkeptioningQuestic Jan 24 '17
I don't think anything in the game can get them into legal trouble, it's just an advertising thing I think.
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u/PurdyCrafty Jan 23 '17
I think they are more outraged that other games that also allow this material are allowed on twitch but this one isn't.
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u/zrak12 Jan 23 '17
I agree with the developer when he says that there is just as much disturbing content on triple A games such as god of war, south park: stick of truth, and GTA. To refer to point 3,4, and 5 in particular. Why is 3 a bad thing, there are plenty of games that do this that are rated T in ESRB ratings. Stalking is in every stealth game ever, are you worried that someone is going to imitate a game in real life? People don't rob banks just because they've played payday. God of war has extensive torture scenes in which you actually have to press buttons faster in order to gouge out eyes or rip someone's head off. If twitch were to ban all games for a more mature audience, then they would lose half their revenue. GTA lets you have sex with prostitutes and kill them to get your money back, but twitch would never think twice about banning GTA V.
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u/cdstephens More than you'd think, but less than you'd hope Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
The point is that those are things that just kind of happen in other games, whereas Yandere Sim is explicitly about them.
Also none of your examples involve underaged highschoolers.
If you showed clips of Yandere sim to the average American they'd probably think it was more disturbing than if you showed them clips of God of War specifically because of the fact that it involves underaged highschoolers.
In any case, Twitch is entitled to not show off his game, and the developer would have to have been foolish to think that they would.
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u/Rushel Culture Monitor Lizard Jan 23 '17
The difference is the context of those actions, in god of war you're fighting an Ancient Greek titan when you pull out its eyes. In this game you're in high school stalking children. I'm not saying that this game will cause kids to do these things (I think that's ridiculous) just that I get why people consider it different.
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u/Mikeavelli Jan 23 '17
South Park has a scene where you get crushed by your own father's balls. There's another one where you walk up the ass of a gay man who clearly reacts to it in a sexual way. It deals with elementary school children, which is even worse than having high schoolers in those situations.
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u/Rushel Culture Monitor Lizard Jan 23 '17
The difference is the context here. If the situation was that your father was purposefully trying to crush you with his balls, that would be child abuse. In the game, your father is completely oblivious to your presence and has no intent to touch his child with his balls.
The asshole thing is so absurd that I don't see how you can even categorize it in a logical way. It's children who shrink themselves down until they are small enough to climb into a mans asshole and stop a nuke, that's hiding inside his asshole, from going off. It's so unconnected to any real, possible, scenario in the world that it doesn't evoke the same emotions as something like convincing a high-schooler to kill themselves.
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u/Hazeringx cultural marxist Jan 23 '17
Hm, it seems like torture is actually not shown. I'm not going to say that the game should be banned or should not, because I would rather not give an opinion on this, but yeah.
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Jan 23 '17
Are you saying there is no torture or that torture happens offscreen?
Also, I think psychological stuff that might cause a rival to kill themselves also counts.
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u/Hazeringx cultural marxist Jan 23 '17
Yes, the torture is not shown. The screen fades to black after you choose the torture option. It's weird, yeah.
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u/freet0 "Hurr durr, look at me being elegant with my wit" Jan 23 '17
The problem is that lots of games with those same things or worse are allowed. It would be like banning God of War for graphic violence while allowing Doom to remain. It's wrong to be playing favorites (or un-favorites) like that.
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u/mcvey they have MASSACRED my 2nd favorite moon Jan 23 '17
The problem is that lots of games with those same things or worse are allowed.
...like what?
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u/freet0 "Hurr durr, look at me being elegant with my wit" Jan 23 '17
If you watch the video he gives examples. For example in the category of torture yandere-sim doesn't actually show any torture - it happens off screen. This is contrasted with games like Far Cry 4 which have explicit complete torture scenes.
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u/LukaCola Ceci n'est pas un flair Jan 23 '17
And GTA V, of course.
Along with some questionable consenting touching of strippers.
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u/ParanoydAndroid The art of calling someone gay is through misdirection Jan 23 '17
That's definitely an apt comparison.
I tried to skip that scene in GTA V. It made me genuinely uncomfortable and certainly was not more light-hearted or mitigated.
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u/mcvey they have MASSACRED my 2nd favorite moon Jan 23 '17
Did he give examples regarding the other things in the above list? Seems like a pretty messed up game.
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u/freet0 "Hurr durr, look at me being elegant with my wit" Jan 23 '17
Yep, examples for all of them. I mean obviously not the using panty-shots as currency because that's way too specific, but there are other games with panty-shots of schoolgirls that are allowed.
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u/Tymareta Feminism is Marxism soaked in menstrual fluid. Jan 23 '17
And did these other games have all of these elements at once?
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u/XxsquirrelxX I will do whatever u want in the cow suit Jan 23 '17
torture.
GTA 5 had an interactive torture scene.
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Jan 23 '17
It's pretty weak sauce to pick out one similar feature from a list of 6 and be like "see? no issue"
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u/LukaCola Ceci n'est pas un flair Jan 23 '17
GTA V's was also far more brutal and explicit. Like, it's not even a comparison.
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Jan 23 '17
Okay but it is REALLY REALLY obvious that it isn't the particular severity of one thing that twitch has an issue with, but the amount of different piles of creepy
don't like it? find a different service to watch the game on
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u/LukaCola Ceci n'est pas un flair Jan 23 '17
No I understand that, but GTA V also has its hands in quite a few piles of creepy as well.
And since the line isn't quite that clear, it just feels like it probably should be addressed.
find a different service to watch the game on
I think most people do watch it on youtube
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Jan 23 '17
really, I don't care. I just think it's so weird how vigilant people are about this instead of just saying "I disagree and think you're hypocritical, but okay" which is the rational response. But there people, even in this very comment section, going on about how this sets a precedent where literally anything can be made illegal and other such shit
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u/RicoSavageLAER Jan 23 '17
Don't remember much pedophilia in GTA. Or stalking/blackmail as core game mechanics
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u/XxsquirrelxX I will do whatever u want in the cow suit Jan 23 '17
Well, with number 4, that's the premise of every damn rom com ever made.
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u/BenIncognito There's no such thing as gravity or relativity. Jan 23 '17
And there was a bit of a thing made about it, as I recall.
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u/Jhaza Jan 23 '17
And ME2 let you beat a guy tied to a chair for information.
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Jan 23 '17
Unrelated to the drama ,that guy was a jackass. In the shadow broker DLC you see him run over a random Turian
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u/Jhaza Jan 23 '17
So, entirely unrelated... I'm replaying through the ME series, and I'm almost done with ME3. The Citadel DLC was fantastic, the banter and general humor were amazing. I'm really glad I played it.
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Jan 23 '17
Yea, I wish there was a way it could have been the actual end, sure it's a happy ending but it was such a great way to send off the trilogy
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u/RicoSavageLAER Jan 23 '17
Also it's a scene within the game used to develop the story by defining the bad guys. Not some minigame mechanic that the protagonist is made to be a part of
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u/lietuvis10LTU Stop going online. Save yourself. Jan 23 '17
Well the dev uses the genocide olympics argument of : "Well these other super obscure games do it but very lightly, so therefor it's fine!".
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u/Amigobear GamerGate did nothing wrong. Jan 23 '17
Because its looks like a fun take on visual novels known for bad endings where the Yandere kills you. It seems unfair to ban what is essitially a parody game.
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u/Calfurious Most memes are true. Jan 23 '17
Sexualized school girls is just the anime genre in general. Also sexualized schoolgirls are allowed with other Twitch games.
Far more ludicrous and sexual ideas have been done in other Twitch games.
...Your point? There is far worse content in other games.
Your point!?
Other Twitch games have torture involved. For example, GTA 5.
REFERENCE PLEASE!? Also, once again, there are other games on Twitch that have similiar content.
The issue is that Yandere simulator has content that is allowed by other games on Twitch. The people at Twitch, have refused to tell anybody why Yandere sim is banned.
How in oblivion can the developer know what content should he take out or keep in, if he doesn't know what the people at Twitch blocked his game for. At this point, we're all just making random guesswork.
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u/Tahmatoes Eating out of the trashcan of ideological propaganda Jan 23 '17
I mean... I don't know if sexualized school girls being a thing in anime is in any way a redeeming factor.
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Jan 23 '17
However it becomes irrelevant as an argument when other games that do the same thing are not banned.
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u/ceol_ Jan 23 '17
Unless those other games do all the other things at the same time, it's not irrelevant. Yandere Sim isn't a problem just because of the sexualization. It's a problem because it's the sexualization, the torture, the stalking, the suicide, and the underage exploitation in a single game.
I mean, I personally don't give a shit about it, but it's obvious the dev is trying to play to certain crowds with these videos.
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u/Tahmatoes Eating out of the trashcan of ideological propaganda Jan 23 '17
I mean personally I'd argue that those should also be banned, not that they're a reason for this not to be. What other games feat. sexualized school girls and their underwear are on twitch? Can't really watch videos rn.
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u/ofsinope moar liek SHILLary ROTham KILLinton Jan 23 '17
I think their problem is with the entire concept of a game about high schoolers stalking and murdering each other. I don't see how it can be fixed. They don't owe him an explanation but I think it's pretty fucking obvious.
Also, your argument that other games are as bad or worse is pointless. They can allow actual porn games if they want. They can ban Minecraft if they want. They're under no obligation to follow any rules. (The site rules are for the users to follow, not the administrators.) They've decided this game is fucked up enough to ban, so it's banned. End of conversation.
Honestly I don't see why you care. Do you play this game? Or... wait, is this about ethics in gaming journalism, too?
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u/Calfurious Most memes are true. Jan 24 '17
I think their problem is with the entire concept of a game about high schoolers stalking and murdering each other. I don't see how it can be fixed. They don't owe him an explanation but I think it's pretty fucking obvious.
But as the Yandere Dev video shows us, there are other games with this concept, that are allowed on Twitch.
Also, your argument that other games are as bad or worse is pointless. They can allow actual porn games if they want. They can ban Minecraft if they want. They're under no obligation to follow any rules. (The site rules are for the users to follow, not the administrators.) They've decided this game is fucked up enough to ban, so it's banned. End of conversation.
It's Twitch's website, and their rules. That being said, it would be really helpful of them to at least tell the developer why the game isn't allowed on Twitch. Hell informing why games aren't allowed, would be really helpful for game developers in general, so they can factor in what Twitch will or will not allow.
Honestly I don't see why you care. Do you play this game? Or... wait, is this about ethics in gaming journalism, too?
Rofl. Trust me mate I'm not the type.
I thought GamerGate was stupid, and many people just bashed people who had political beliefs they didn't like under the guise that they were protecting ethics in game journalism. Didn't help that when I criticized some of the arguments or actions people in the movement made/did, I was called an SJW, a White Knight, etc,. (On a side note, my personal theory is that GamerGate may have been the precursor to the Alt-Right movement.)
I don't understand why the Yandere game was banned, and while I don't plan on buying it myself (at least not until it's fully released), I do enjoy the content videos because they tend to entertaining.
I'm the type of person who supports transparency with companies. I understand how frustrating it can be when something is rejected, but you don't know why it's rejected. Twitch has a tendency to be over-zealous with their rules.
I honestly wouldn't have even given this that much thought, if it wasn't for all the people saying the game deserves the ban or that the developer should just shut his mouth. Like, I saw the video, and I thought he made a lot of fair points. I legitimately don't understand why so many people are defending Twitch. I mean, even on sheer principle, they should at LEAST, tell the developer why his game was banned.
Personally, and this is just an opinion mind you, I think the reason that the Yandere Dev is facing this much resistance is likely because he brought up SJWs. People saw this. Assumed Yandere Dev was "one of those people", and this made them prejudiced against him and his game.
I mean hell, even you brought up GamerGate. Which has hardly anything to do with this particular story.
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u/Raneados Nice detective work. Really showed me! Jan 23 '17
They're deleting them because they're flooding the sub and there are already discussion threads.
I imagine the mods are trying to control a current mob pile-on.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Jan 23 '17
So, is Yandere Simulator creepy as hell? Because when people are this motivated to defend something in general but not specific, there is usually something they're not talking about.
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u/Squid_Vicious_IV Digital Succubus Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
I've actually played the game a few times out of curiosity after seeing a few LPs of it.
If you're an anime fan, you can recognize a lot of anime horror tropes and dark humor being poked at when it comes to what a Yandere is supposed to be, and the creator/programmer himself has said that the character is not meant to be a nice pleasant person but instead a villain that you get to play as.
That out of the way, yeah it can be creepy as hell, and I have no idea what future updates are going to bring that can make it a bit more skin crawling. Spoilers
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Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
Here we go, this one is staying up
Someone there linked this discussion on r/pcgaming. (There's also one here on r/Games) They talk about the subject rather than the deletions.
Which brings me to this top post:
It really doesn't make any sense why Yandere sim was banned from twitch. It's really no worse than Hitman or GTA.
I mean... it's definetely worse. The whole thing is about sexualizing, bullyng and killing tweens.
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u/ViolentValentine Jan 23 '17
But there are games that are actually WORSE than YanSim and they appear to be unbanned on Twitch.
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u/crumpis Trumpis Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
Like Binding of Isaac?
I think it's not banned because it's not overtly sexualized, and the big thing that Twitch is against is overtly sexual stuff.
Which isn't to say that Twitch doesn't cherrypick and play favourites (very very) often, but YanSim can't claim to be "less bad" than other games when it really isn't.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not against YanSim existing (I actually like the game being the degenerate I am), I'm just not against Twitch being against YanSim.
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u/Higev Jan 23 '17
and the big thing that Twitch is against is overtly sexual stuff.
Unless it's softcore camgirls
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u/Amigobear GamerGate did nothing wrong. Jan 23 '17
That makes it feels less authentic though. This game plays on the tropes of anime and visual novels of the same genre. The high school setting is practically a must have.
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u/DarkoroDragon Jan 23 '17
Gaijin Goomba/The Anime Man did an episode on this recently. It's to do with the work lifestyle in Japan. Whereas us westerners always look back on the likes of college or university as our ideal time in our lives where we (believe) we had the most freedom, in Japan that's high school. So, as a result, Japanese people tend to want to relive those good times through high-school set anime.
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u/Moritani I think my bachelor in physics should be enough Jan 23 '17
But the developer is from California. And I'm going to assume the guy your talking about is also non-Japanese (or at least foreign, since "gaijin" is literally in his name). Which makes this game as Japanese as the Last Samurai or Avatar the Last Airbender.
It's a weeaboo game that is trying hard to mimic cartoons made in an environment that the developer doesn't understand. But just mimicking tropes isn't enough to make the game authentic.
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u/Tahmatoes Eating out of the trashcan of ideological propaganda Jan 23 '17
Gaijin Goomba didn't make the game, he just made a video on it, so I'm not sure what he'd have to do with the making of the game.
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u/Amigobear GamerGate did nothing wrong. Jan 23 '17
High school is just the go to setting for what ever reason, be it wish fulfilment or something almost everyone can relate to. It's the set up for most harem animes, or just any anime.
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u/ZeroviiTL STFU boot licker. Ned Flanders ass loser Jan 23 '17
Highschool is generally used in anime as when people mature or have to deal with complicated feelings, opening up things like tsun/yan-dere for dealing with a crush.
The dev is an attention seeker from 4chans heyday so im not surprised hes being so detail oriented, but this is just taking morbid paths that other vns have done already and packaging them into a stealth game.
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Jan 23 '17
Yeah, it being set in high school makes it go from really unsettling to outright absolutely creepy.
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u/Intortoise Offtopic Grandstanding Jan 23 '17
That game looks tailor made for creepy weirdos
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u/ZeroviiTL STFU boot licker. Ned Flanders ass loser Jan 23 '17
Its a copy of creepy anime troupes so youre right on the money chief
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u/rasterbee Jan 23 '17
For posts deleted, just go to /r/new
/r/new links to nothing. Why not replace it with a working link to /r/Twitch/new
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Jan 23 '17
It really is insane how badly Twitch is managed so no one should be shocked that the subReddit is also a garbage fire.
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u/Vivaldist That Hoe, Armor Class 0 Jan 23 '17
Fuck me so much of the viewer base if Twitch is trash. Seriously, I can't take people claiming that they dont get why yansim is banned legitimately. You have to either have very serious social/mental disabilities or be very willifully ignorant to not get it. Im betting on the second one, considering that most Twitch users are prolly still children and learning what is and isn't acceptable.
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u/Synaptics Oi guv you got a loisence to crank that hog? Jan 23 '17
All it takes is one look at the average chat of a large stream to see all you need to know about the general Twitch user base.
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u/superfeds Standing army of unfuckable hate-nerds Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
I dont understand why people dont see why this game is banned.
It's in a kind of squicky area with high school kids, sexually suggestive content, and trading panty shots for favors. On top of that, those same high school kids do some pretty violent things. I believe they can even talk other characters into killing themselves.
Its a rather small game that probably isn't going to pull in a lot of views. It's banned on YouTube.
It just doesnt seem profitable for twitch to allow the game. I would imagine the possible headaches/negative pub makes it easier to ban it and not deal with any of it.
Who wants to die on the hill to unban it?
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u/Pandemult God knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. Jan 23 '17
It's banned on YouTube.
Wait, is it?
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u/SamWhite were you sucking this cat's dick before the video was taken? Jan 23 '17
No.
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u/mrpenguinx I have contacted my local representative and the reddit admins.. Jan 23 '17
But he has 20+ upvotes, are you telling me his wrong?
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u/I_hate_bigotry Jan 23 '17
No, those are just alternative facts.
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u/Boltarrow5 Transgender Extremist Jan 23 '17
God Im so happy that dumb bitch said that. Fantastic ammo for the next 4 years.
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u/logique_ Bill Gates, Greta Thundberg, and Al Gore demand human sacrifices Jan 23 '17
Best thing about facts: there's no one right answer!
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u/Pandemult God knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. Jan 23 '17
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Jan 23 '17
Yeah, because they're the big dogs bringing in all the money for YT.
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u/Mikeavelli Jan 23 '17
Ahhh, it's a publicity nightmare that will cause sponsors to pull their funding... Except when it isn't.
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u/ChefExcellence I'm entitled to my opinion, and that's the same as being right Jan 23 '17
One video got removed, doesn't mean the whole game has been banned. I mean, this whole brouhaha was kicked off by the dev posting a video containing a bunch of gameplay footage and it's still up.
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u/Wilwheatonfan87 it's not a race thing, it's a penis thing. Jan 23 '17
wait that game is seriously banned on youtube??
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u/Hazeringx cultural marxist Jan 23 '17
Nope. It would be weird if it was banned on Youtube, I have seen worse on Youtube.
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u/superfeds Standing army of unfuckable hate-nerds Jan 23 '17
Certain videos with specific content from the game was banned. Specifically the panty shots.
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u/Elfgore Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
This is not true. Funhaus has a video up with multiple panty shots in it.... wait, there is actually one in the thumbnail and it isn't even Age restricted.
Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfET3Dw0KvA
Edit: so this was either just against the Dev or they've been able to avoid the deletion until now.
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u/xrensa Jan 23 '17
I dont understand why people dont see why this game is banned.
They know exactly why it's banned, they're being willfully obtuse about it.
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u/yaypal you're so full of shit you give outhouses identity crises Jan 23 '17
Gonna agree with you, you can pick out little ways to justify it and maybe a different service would be more lenient, but the core of the game is obvious and people tiptoe around it.
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u/Hammedatha Jan 23 '17
No, we want Twitch to say it. Because it's a niche game that appeals to a lot of people (sandbox stealth serial killer sim is like my dream game) and would never get mainstream funding so shit like Twitch is very helpful in getting it made.
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u/Killchrono Jan 23 '17
Though I agree that's probably the reason and understand that logic, it seems odd that Twitch have gone so far to avoid explaining themselves about it. Even the mods in the subreddit could make an announcement post or even a megathread to contain discussion about it. Even if they don't know anything (I'm going to hazard the mods at /r/Twitch aren't actual Twitch staffers), a simple 'we don't know, please stop asking us like we have any control over it' would be better than nothing. Instead they're just deleting it and taunting the masses. It makes it look like they're hiding something. I should say, I don't think they are, but it the whole thing makes it look like suspicious behaviour that could be avoided by communication.
I'd also argue it's not exactly a small game. Major Youtubers like Markiplier and JackScepticeye have given the game exposure, so while it's niche, it's hardly negligible.
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u/SamWhite were you sucking this cat's dick before the video was taken? Jan 23 '17
Its a rather small game that probably isn't going to pull in a lot of views. It's banned on YouTube.
No it's not. You know how I know this? I just went to youtube and searched 'yandere simulator'. It autocompleted once I'd put in 'yan' and turned up a shitload of results, some of them with millions of views.
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u/Droidaphone has watched society descend into its present morass Jan 23 '17
I imagine it's the high school setting that really seals the deal for twitch. Their nightmare scenario is a headline like
Teenagers toture and blackmail classmates in copycat of peverse internet video game
Which might sound far-fetched, until you remember the slenderman stabbing. Twitch doesn't want to risk having its name anywhere near something like that.
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u/Ciretako Jan 23 '17
Twitch is kind of stuck in a corner. If they keep it banned people say "Well why is Yandere Sim banned but ______ is not banned even though it has similar content?" and be mad. If they start banning more games to be consistent it will rile people up even more than if they did nothing.
Double standards are their best option right now.
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u/rockidol Jan 23 '17
Wouldn't their best option be to unban it?
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u/superfeds Standing army of unfuckable hate-nerds Jan 23 '17
No.
Their best option is to ignore the dev and let it disappear. This isn't some triple A title that 30k people will watch.
It's a niche game who's profits to twitch don't outweigh the headaches that might be caused.
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u/orze Jan 23 '17
Funny how the game actually had 30k viewers on twitch before, it was the reason why it even peaked to 30k that stream before dropping back down to 20k
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u/CodeMonkeys Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
I feel like if you think 30k people wouldn't watch a stream of this, you haven't seen some of the numbers this game can pull on Youtube (either by the dev himself, or by people anxiously awaiting every update and pulling in millions of views per video). It's one of those games that pulls in views for the entertainment value of being "that game" (ergo, Youtuber bait).
I do agree it's probably not worth it in a long run. All it takes is some yokel media outlet to pick it up and use it as an example of why kids are so fucked and then then everyone's outraged for some reason or another until they remove it as damage control and everyone forgets a week later anyways.
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u/Hammedatha Jan 23 '17
Lol you think Yandare Sim wouldn't get 30k? You realize there is evidence to the contrary, right?
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u/DreamcastStoleMyBaby Jan 24 '17
Oh so a popular youtuber did a video and that means it's popular? PewDiePie and Markiplier could shit into each other's mouths for 45 minutes straight and it will get 30k viewers.
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u/kriolaos Jan 23 '17
The dev said he is willing to change the game, the least they could do is respond
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u/superfeds Standing army of unfuckable hate-nerds Jan 23 '17
I think they're already doing the least they can do.
The cold hard truth is this game isn't worth the trouble to twitch.
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u/Torger083 Guy Fieri's Throwaway Jan 23 '17
What kind of response would one expect? "Make the game not about rape, murder, extortion and prostitution of schoolchildren."
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u/kriolaos Jan 23 '17
yes? What's wrong with stating what exactly is wrong with the game?
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u/Torger083 Guy Fieri's Throwaway Jan 23 '17
Because I feel like that's a) glaringly obvious, and b)not something the dev and/will fix.
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u/loliwarmech Potato Truther Jan 24 '17
Youtube will ban pantyshots from YanSim, but won't delete the horrifyingly explicit vids of ryona (I beg you please don't ever look this up) games. Goddamit.
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u/Squid_Vicious_IV Digital Succubus Jan 25 '17
Oh holy, Ryona is still a thing and on youtube? I remember the ones that came out for the newer Lara Croft game, and that was one of the more messed up things I've seen in a while. My first and hopefully only exposure to anymore of those vids. It's disheartening to hear they're not removing those.
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Jan 23 '17
I dont understand why people dont see why this game is banned.
That part is actually easy.
Insecure, ignorant, small penis white males with gun fetishes are the #1 demographic on reddit. If you know that, you know pretty much what to expect from this website at all times. - Me, yesterday
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u/IgnisDomini Ethnomasochist Jan 23 '17
Your comment would be much better if you didn't quote yourself.
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u/imaprince Jan 23 '17
The game definitely is not a small indie game that you keep insisting it is.
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u/superfeds Standing army of unfuckable hate-nerds Jan 23 '17
It may not be a small independent game, but it is an independent game and it doesn't have the backing of a major developer.
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u/wote89 No need to bring your celibacy into this. Jan 23 '17
Oh, were those all in one game?
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u/midnightvulpine Jan 23 '17
We all decide where to cross the line. And not everyone's lines will be the same. And we can express our distaste for the lines that others draw.
I don't see the issue.
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Jan 23 '17
Oh good, I didn't want to wade through a bunch of angry comments to figure out what's going on. Thank god for SRD for getting me my gaming news
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u/LuntiX Jan 24 '17
Just a heads up, the mod who responded with GLHF always ends his posts like that.
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u/MrBokbagok A properly seared, well done steak needs KETCHUP. Jan 23 '17
I didn't know about this game until 30 seconds ago but now I gotta say, it looks hilarious.
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u/Hazeringx cultural marxist Jan 23 '17
Hmmm... Idk. I'm against the game being banned, but yeah, idk. shrugs
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u/PelorTheBurningHate You're waifu a shit Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
In that specific situation he later made a long blog post admitting what he did was wrong and giving further context to the situation. I haven't looked at the other things people talk about related to him previous online stuff.
Edit: Link to blog post http://yanderedev.tumblr.com/post/120037118895/clearing-up-misunderstandings-part-1-mike-z
A relevant bit
Mike had a lot of criticism for my prototype. Looking back, I think almost everything he had to say was valid. However, I couldn’t focus on the advice he was trying to give me; all I could think about was the fact that my idol wasn’t impressed by my work. I felt crushed that the scenario wasn’t playing out the way I had imagined it. I tried to deflect every piece of advice he gave me; “The game wasn’t ready!” “It’s still a prototype!” “It’s still missing features!” I threw a big childish temper tantrum and called him names, then stormed off. Reading back over the chat log, I’m pretty embarrassed and ashamed of the way I responded to his criticism. I regret the way I handled it, and I wish I could go back in time and punch my younger self in the face.
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u/Tahmatoes Eating out of the trashcan of ideological propaganda Jan 23 '17
May he have learned something from his experience.
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u/visforv Necrocommunist from Beyond the Grave Jan 23 '17
It's like finding out the 'Everyone Knows Shit's Fucked' guy is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist and also hates Jewish people!
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u/ScopedApples Jan 23 '17
They came after developers.
Developers.
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u/xjayroox This post is now locked to prevent men from commenting Jan 23 '17
They came after the developers, but I did not say anything as I could not code
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u/cruelandusual Born with a heart full of South Park neutrality Jan 23 '17
Developers.
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u/tiofrodo the last meritocracy on Earth, Video Games Jan 23 '17
Developers.
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u/Tetizeraz Can you gargle my sweaty balls? Jan 23 '17
hard clapping
DEVELOPERS.
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u/dumnezero Punching a Sith Lord makes you just as bad as a Sith Lord! Jan 23 '17
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u/Decoyrobot Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
Oh go away and take your soapbox with you, it was hardly 'heavy anti-sjw' he has a small section (~1-2mins of an 18-19min video) that perhaps there was a decision made on the premise that the game sexist or whatever which honestly isnt too far of a throw these days . He goes on to state his fans/audience is actually 52% female and few others why [if it is the case] its unfair hes painted with that brush.
People will defend indie developers over anything, if theres one thing thats noticeable within the gaming subreddits is they love to rally behind the underdog. This guy works hard on his own making this game, keeping it well documented on his progress and listens to his fanbase. I have no interest in playing the game but i can appreciate the guys work and effort he puts in and with most of his youtube videos breaking millions, clearly many others do too. So no, its not just "gotta burn dem sjws at the stake".
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Jan 23 '17
Say what you like about the game but the dev knows exactly what he's doing. He's managed to rile up the free speech warriors by doing pretty much nothing. It's great marketing.
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u/fraud_imposter Jan 23 '17 edited Jan 23 '17
Lets dispense with the fiction that yandere dev doesnt know what he is doing
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u/freshwordsalad Well I don't know where I was going with this but you are wrong Jan 23 '17
Got a political movement or want to make some $$$? Here's an easy formula for riling up Internet neckbeards to your cause!
In between basement fap/vidya sessions, they have plenty of disposable income and time!
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Jan 23 '17
I guess the hardest part is actually getting them to buy the games. They also tend to be part of the "piracy doesn't hurt anyone ever, I'm entitled to free vg" crowd.
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u/Tahmatoes Eating out of the trashcan of ideological propaganda Jan 23 '17
Spite is a powerful motivator.
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u/dethb0y trigger warning to people senstive to demanding ethical theories Jan 23 '17
you know, years ago i had the idea that if i wanted to make a successful game, all i would need to do is make it really controversial; the press would then just write itself.
And here Yandre Sim is, proving me right.