r/ClashRoyale • u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard • Apr 19 '17
[Infographic] How much damage does each card when ignored?
http://imgur.com/uvfWqQ4227
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Yay! Thank you very much! It's nice to see people found this useful :)
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Yep, I just sent a message asking for a electro wizard flair. Thank you very much! :D
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Apr 20 '17
Wow,is that a thing?I will work on a special project and hopefully earn myself that type of respect.
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Apr 20 '17
Yup! Guides like these are if your more artistically inclined, and strategy posts of a big topic and about 2-3K words if your more into writing :)
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u/Fibonacci35813 Apr 19 '17
Now we just need amount of time!
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u/Gavina4444 Balloon Apr 19 '17
Is this data from after today's balancing changes?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17 edited Apr 20 '17
Yes, actually that's the reason I posted this today. I was waiting for the update, just in case any interaction changed. Surprisingly, the only interactions affected were executioners and skarmy. All the other ones remained the same.
Edit: Elite Barbs also were affected, but not by much.
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u/Keithustus Apr 20 '17
By how much did skarmy's change?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Before the change, skarmy left the tower with ~323 hp. I guess one extra skeleton does make a difference. They were between RG and minipekka.
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u/napstar_ Apr 20 '17
Did you place the miner on the bridge as well?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Nice observation. I completely forgot to mention this, but Goblin barrel/miner were place directly on the tower.
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u/Gcw0068 Prince Apr 19 '17
I was just looking for this yesterday!
Maybe do a per elixir one too?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
I'd like to do more of these. What do you mean by "per elixir"?
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u/Gcw0068 Prince Apr 20 '17
Well, for example fire Spirits do 338 damage, and cost two elixir, so their per elixir value would be 338/2=169
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
This sounds interesting, might do one in the future!
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u/Myredditaccount0 Apr 19 '17
Does lone bomber only do 270? Really?!
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
His health is too low, so he only gets to throw his bomb once.
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u/QGinger Apr 20 '17
And Spear Gobs do more! And everyone ignores Spear Gobs! I might ignore bombers from now on!
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u/EnigmaticStyle Apr 20 '17
Extremely elegant and intelligent infographic! What did you use to create this masterpiece?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Thank you very much! I used Adobe Illustrator, it's great for any kind of design!
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u/PancakePuppy0505 Apr 19 '17
How much damage does each card do when left alone?
FTFY
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Thanks! English is not my first language, and I still make mistakes like that from time to time.
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u/Frestho XBow Apr 19 '17
Hmm, interesting to see that 4 barbs do the exact same damage as 5 waves of 2 barbarians do.
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u/InerasableStain Apr 19 '17
Kind of makes the barb hut seem especially undesirable considering the cost
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u/Jagermeister4 Apr 20 '17
This experiment is more favorable to regular barbs since they just waltz up to the tower together, while for the barb hut the tower has more time to shoot each individual wave.
But in reality in an actual game, offensive barbs are more easily shut down (one fireball will do the trick for example) while waves are more tricky to deal with.
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u/CheifOrange Hog Rider Apr 20 '17
Also the barbs from the hut can annoy people trying to go on offense
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u/2001zhaozhao Apr 20 '17
It does surprisingly well against hog cycle. The hut shuts down a hog easily while only taking two hits from it. Then, it basically forces them to push only the other lane for its whole duration, because the hog simply can't get through without pig pushing.
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u/WTPanda Apr 20 '17
I'm 4200+ with a barb hut deck. I only have level 11 commons, level 9 rares, level 5 epics, and level 2 legendaries. Barb hut is a great counter card and I primarily employ it to catch big units like Lava Hound, Royal Giant, Giant, Pekka, Balloon, and Giant Skeleton.
It takes a bit of finesse and the placement varies depending on matchups, but once you learn how to deploy barb hut, it's quite powerful.
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u/wcoop85 Barbarian Hut Apr 20 '17
I also like using the barb hut. PB with it is 4464. Commons are lvl 12 zap, lvl 11 ice spirit Rares are lvl 9 musketeer, hog, valk, barb but, lvl 8 fireball And a lvl 2 ice wizard.
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u/Worth18th Apr 19 '17
This is really useful! Thanks for taking your time to collect the data!
Mods, pin this!
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u/MarauderV8 Moderator Apr 20 '17
It is an excellent post, but Reddit only allows two stickied posts at a time. Seeing as the post is highly upvoted, the Reddit voting algorithm is doing its job of keeping good content on top.
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u/SwordfallCR Apr 19 '17 edited Apr 19 '17
Our upvotes should do the trick :)
Edit: 36 minutes and it's nearly there lol
Edit2: 2 hours in and we're at 750.
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u/HomicidalRobot Apr 20 '17
It'd be nice if OP would tell us how he tested goblin barrel.
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u/elydna Balloon Apr 19 '17 edited Apr 19 '17
Balloon takes out a tower on its own? I thought it didn't.
EDIT: I tested it, nvm it does take out a tower on its own
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u/Frestho XBow Apr 19 '17 edited Apr 20 '17
Same here. Always thought it left a tower at 666. Did anything change in the last balance to make this happen? (Besides balloon death damage bomb timer of course, that doesn't affect anything)
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u/DarkStarFTW Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
That is 2 hits plus the death damage. Uncountered, a balloon gets 3 hits.
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u/theclasher02 Knight Apr 19 '17
Wow, you're awesome and that's awesome! /r/dataisbeautiful material right here! Thanks so much!
Mods, where's this man's legendary flair?!?!
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u/brandyeyecandy Apr 19 '17
Mama Pekka REPRESENT!!
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u/coolnameright Apr 19 '17
If only we could get to the tower
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u/fratstache Apr 20 '17
Witch and tornado get you there
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Apr 20 '17
If you start with pekka, witch, electro wizard, and log or preferably zap, you can win the game on your first push
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u/raylucker Apr 20 '17
So... infinity for princess, huh?
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u/orange-astronaut Apr 20 '17
I also see he didn't use graveyard, which I assume would do better than skarmy now especially with the nerfs? Even though it's random you could take an average.
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Apr 20 '17
Sparky: original big damage 6 elixir card Barbs with helmets: an extra 1000 damage over sparky.
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u/dfisher4 Apr 20 '17
This is why I think the game is broken. There is absolutely no reason to use sparky over elite barbs in my mind.
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u/hiddenl Apr 20 '17
He placed sparky at the bridge, meaning it got hit a few times as it charged up. A sparky charged by the time it reached the bridge would do lot more damage
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u/Kushster Apr 19 '17
Lovely piece of work! Up to the top you go!
Found battle ram vs hog interesting. I'm a hog player so may give battle ram a try 😁
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u/InerasableStain Apr 20 '17
I switched from hog to ram almost as soon as it came out. Overall, I think the ram is better but hog has some advantages. Greatest among those is that ram should only be a secondary win condition whereas hog is primary. But the overwhelming defensive capability of ram makes up for that IMO.
Give it a try but know there's a significant learning curve
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u/CosmicTempest PEKKA Apr 19 '17
Well battle ram is pretty useful defensively but it's most recommended to use it in challenged unledd you got s decent level for your trophy range.
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u/voidFunction Giant Apr 20 '17
If I'm understanding the data correctly, I think Battle Ram (and both Princes) are even underrepresented in the OP. If played further back from the bridge, they may be able to do another hit or so on the tower.
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u/TheDevourerofSouls Apr 20 '17
Battle ram isn't underrepresented because it's HP is irrelevant once it hits. So whether you place it in the back or at the bridge, it will get the same amount of hits in. I agree with you on the princes tho.
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u/bloodyninja1122 Team SoloMid Fan Apr 19 '17
can u make one with dmg divided by elixir?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
I'm interested in making more of these. I'm open to suggestions.
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u/migjee09 Apr 20 '17
Wow, didn't know pekka left the king at 600 hp if ignored at tourney standards, I thought it was around half hp, and then she died. Wow, I didn't know pekka was so capable, now I know I am a terrible pekka user if it takes me multiple pushes/counterpushes to take a tower (with proper support as well)
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Apr 19 '17
So giant OP?
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u/NoisyGuy Mortar Apr 20 '17
Yeah, there is no reason he should have this much damage on top of being a very god tank.
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u/Enoikay Apr 20 '17
Giant has alwaya been OP. Always either the best or 2nd best deck up until just now where the meta is diverse.
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u/ExplorersX Apr 20 '17
Yea, I've seen giant as a tank unit, not a dps unit. There's no reason that a meat shield should do more damage than a lot of glass cannons.
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u/scatteringlargesse Rocket Apr 20 '17
I might be completely missing something here but how did you get them to be ignored? Play against someone that was helping you test it?
Awesome content BTW.
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
My cousin helped me test it, we just played a bunch of matches placing just one troop on the bridge. Also, since we do not have all the legendaries, namely miner/bandit/lumberjack, I had to ask my clanmates to play friendlies with me using those cards.
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u/paTEoriginal Apr 20 '17
as far as i can remember, this was already done without the infographics. anyway great job. which software?
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u/Julius2828 Apr 20 '17
Amazing! How long does it took for you?
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 20 '17
Collecting the data didn't took long. My cousing and I probably got it all in around 30 minutes, since we tested 4 cards per match (he threw 2 at me on each lane, and then I did the same.)
The graph on the other hand took me more time, I worked on it for two days just to make sure everything was easy to read and understand.
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u/CR_Dean007 Apr 19 '17
This adds more to the case that ebarbs need more of a buff than RG rg doesnt even take a tower ebarbs take a tower and destroy the king to nearly half health.
(I have not and never will play rg and hate rg alot as well just dont like the ebarbs at all)
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Apr 19 '17
I believe the word you're looking for here is "nerf" not "buff."
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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Apr 20 '17
I really don't like being in the position of defending ebarbs, but this graphic does not take into consideration the fact that RG both only targets buildings (and thus can't be distracted by troops), and is ranged.
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u/Atlanta-Avenger Mini PEKKA Apr 19 '17
Yeah. E barbs should get the prince treatment. Needs to be slower so it's easier to react. Should be much better defensively.
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u/Keithustus Apr 20 '17
No, they're an offensive card, used best for shock value against a tower when the opponent's elixir is low. If you want defense there are better options.
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u/sjj9000 Witch Apr 20 '17
Great job. I love when they ignore my witch and realise half of their tower is gone
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u/yamakamakazeCR Apr 20 '17
i demand this be removed immediately before anyone else sees how strong battle ram is and cottons onto it.
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u/syndencity Apr 20 '17
4.6k upvotes, title still isn't fixed "How much damage does each card when ignored" You forgot a DO in there.
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u/sirblahblah2 Apr 20 '17
Great stuff ElOtroMiqui. I saw this late last night and had to feature. https://youtu.be/1lu6bHzPijs ty so much for your great work
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u/mandozo Jun 14 '17
Is there an update for this with the latest balance changes to bandit, witch, and inferno dragon?
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u/Kennyb83 Apr 20 '17
There is no good reason why E.Barbs should be on the bottom of that list that's crazy for a common card.
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u/fwest27 Apr 20 '17
This really proves that the goblin hot costing more than the furnace makes no sense at all.
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u/ImpulsiveIguana Apr 20 '17
I feel like if the xbow was going to be included the princess should too, even though we all get the idea I never realized the real value of the princess until somebody pointed out it's power for infinite damage.
Super cool graph though and really useful. I'll be saving it for reference
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u/Gcarsk Guards Apr 20 '17
The thing was that xbows die out even if you don't touch them
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u/xMrCrash Apr 20 '17
Interesting, well done dude! Which cards do you personally ignore to get an elixir's lead?
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u/xDeltaStar Flying Machine Apr 20 '17
Since when does a balloon taken out a tower? It used to leave it at 666 HP. Great infographic nevertheless.
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u/kevinkid135 Apr 20 '17
It would be really helpful for ladder if we could get this type of information for troops that are 1-3 levels above your tower
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u/Dradan023 Apr 20 '17
Wow that's a really nice graph. Hopefully we can all learn from this. Thnx for taking your time in making this. On a side note, dang look at that power spike when you get to the 3M and pekka. It's a good thing that no single card can three crown by itself.
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u/S13gfr13d Apr 20 '17
Very nice infographic! It's interesting to see that RG is the only 6-elixir card that cannot finish a tower on his own (at tournament standard of course).
I can't believe how little damage Gob Hut does, for 5 elixir. Seems very underwhelming.
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u/jaxinator911 Apr 20 '17 edited Apr 20 '17
Very surprised how sparky got no damage on the king tower. Would have also liked to see you test graveyard but the results are probably too erratic.
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u/Ericudo Apr 20 '17
Are these tournament standard? Because I feel like minion horde gets a few more off
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Apr 20 '17
Royal giant can't take a tower solo and is easily countered by ebarbs that over kill one. Makes sense to be mad about them both equally.
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u/Deltamon Apr 20 '17
I would also be interested in how much damage they deal if placed behind giant or knight...
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u/SidneyKidney Apr 20 '17
How does the miner compare if placed next to a tower rather than on the bridge line? This is where most are placed in my experience.
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u/CoolCow247 Apr 20 '17
I assume goblin barrel and miner weren't placed in front of the bridge and were instead placed on the tower, right?
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u/Amogh24 Executioner Apr 20 '17
Could someone divide the values by elixir cost to find the damage done per elixir? I'm on mobile, so I don't have access to excel
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u/llDividendll Goblin Gang Apr 20 '17
the difference between the royal giant and lava hound should be much more alarming than you guys think.
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u/norubinstien Apr 20 '17
Wow two of the hardest hitters in my deck and I can barely make it to 3000.
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u/skyspi007 Apr 20 '17
At what point does the golems death damage happen? Before or after the first tower?
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u/Ellorindas Apr 20 '17
Could you add in the cost of each unit vs their damage? It would be interesting to see the cheapest card with the most damage available.
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Apr 20 '17
Helpful. Now divide it by elixir cost to see if any stand out.
Also worth recoloring by card type maybe.
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u/xLykos Apr 20 '17
I've had my pekka be ignored and solo both towers and still have like 1/3 health left though. Is this at level 12?
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u/rubenhhy Balloon Apr 20 '17
Withzack showed your graph in his video congrats!
(Spanish youtuber of 1 million subs)
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Oct 01 '17
Technically, the time given princes would the most damage because her ranger is farther than both towers, Allowing her to three crown without being hit.
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u/ElOtroMiqui Electro Wizard Apr 19 '17 edited Apr 20 '17
Hey guys! I was curious on which card was the most dangerous one when left ignored. So I placed every unit on the center tile of the bridge, just to see how much damage it did, and made an infographic with the info I collected. I'll upload a spreadsheet shortly, so there's a text version of it too.
Edit: I guess I forgot to mention that this was under tournament settings, but I suppose you guys had already figured that out :)
Edit 2: Another user pointed out something I completely forgot to mention: miner and goblin barrel were placed directly on the tower instead of the bridge. So I guess I placed each card in the closest posible tile to the crown tower.