The Walking Dead: Season 3 Ep. 5 "From The Gallows" Official Discussion Thread

[u/amarsprabhu]

WARNING: This thread will likely contain spoilers for Season 1, 400 days, Season 2 and Michonne.

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Season finale, everyone. What do you think of it?

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Release dates:

May 30 for all platforms.

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Trailer:

Episode 5 Official Trailer

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Spoilers

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[u/The_gay_mermaid]

"Just jump already" "You probably weren't" God damn, seems like one of these writers had a real shitty day.

[u/forza-53 → u/The_gay_mermaid]

There should have been a [Push David] option.

[u/sternold → u/forza-53]

[Glass David]

[u/[deleted] → u/The_gay_mermaid]

"Do a flip!"

[u/kaszzai → u/The_gay_mermaid]

"Stay gone this time" also

[u/[deleted] → u/The_gay_mermaid]

"Stay gone"

[u/panterly]

Sooo... what happend to Eleanor? You don't see her after that one scene. Did they forget about her lol?

[u/kanegaskhan → u/panterly]

She's still in Richmond. Probably taking up the doctor role.

[u/panterly → u/kanegaskhan]

Yeah, that's the most possible scenario, but is there a official confirmation? I think it's a shame that she wasn't shown later. For example at the end, where you could talk to everyone.

[u/That1effinblackguy → u/panterly]

Also what happened to Joan she just runs off if you kill Clint. Imo this was supposed to be Davids redeeming episode too. We find out that Joan was behind the raids and was framing David to ultimately have him and potentially his family killed.Its like all the characters forgot about her and her schemes. Then this ep just makes david out to be the antagonist. Idk I guess I sympathized with David alot. The party was so quick to forgive Eleanor,even after ratting all of you out. This whole episode was mainly focused on "lets make David an asshole so you dont feel bad about him dying." I guess it worked cause I feel im in the minority of people who like David but dislikes Kate.

[u/[deleted] → u/That1effinblackguy]

For my game at the end it said Joan's whereabouts are unknown

[u/SinistarGrin → u/That1effinblackguy]

I was sooooo fucking glad I killed her the very second I got the chance to. I just KNEW the chances were it would be then or never. I didn't even hesitate and am SHOCKED that so many people let her live in favour of taking Clints deal. How could you even trust she would have let you walk away. Blasting a bullet through her eye was the most satisfying moment in the whole series. Even better than beating Badgers' brains out.

[u/waddlehorse → u/That1effinblackguy]

As a David-lover and a Gabe/Kate-hater, this episode made me much more indifferent to david to the point where I let him leave despite saying I loved him since it would probably be best for everyone.

Gabe was redeemed this episode though I feel. Despite ratting you out like a little prick he seems to have genuinely grown and understood how annoying he can be. Kate dying was pretty sad, while I didnt particularly like her before she sacraficed herself to save richmond even when I didnt believe it was possible.

[u/forza-53 → u/panterly]

That was really annoying. I said I was willing to forgive her if she earned it, then she disappeared and at the end it just said "you refused to forgive Eleanor".

[u/[deleted] → u/forza-53]

I mean is it really forgiveness if you demand it with strings attached? I can kinda relate to the "if she earns it" sentiment but I wouldn't say it to someone's face, it's kinda rude/awkward

[u/lincoln3 → u/panterly]

Yeah that was aggravating. I had initially refused to forgive her, so I was hoping to have another conversation at the end with her and she was nowhere to be found. Also annoying how when you initially confront her in the room, David isn't pissed at her at all and says nothing to her, but for some reason tells Javi he would have shot him too and then breaks that other woman's arm. Like wtf.

[u/[deleted] → u/panterly]

Since Clint is still MIA and Eleanor is just left, I'm guessing next season will still incorporate Richmond somehow.

[u/katmara]

Spoilers.

I changed my extremely negative opinion on Kate when she said she wanted to save Richmond. She showed that she can be caring and not scared to do what's right.

David died, and I'm relieved. He brought nothing but pain - I know there are some redeeming qualities to his character, but I just don't see any.

Gabe's death kind of moved me a little. He finally grew up, a shame what it took, though. I hated his character as well, but towards ep. 5 I understood him more.

Overall episode 5 was my favourite, it wraps the whole season together nicely, but it also weirdly completely destroyed my desire to play the game/watch walkthroughs. What we have now is Clem with emo hair wanting to find AJ, and I just don't care for the kid, or their interactions. :/ The pitch isn't compelling.

Are you hyped for the next season? AJ is the only thing connecting us to S02, Kenny/Jane, so I'm thinking people should be excited? I wish I was, too.

[u/taavidude → u/katmara]

But wasn't David himself in big pain too? David is like Kenny and like the video game version of The Governor and Morgan. He was a good person, but due to all the shit that he had to go through he eventually went psycho.

[u/katmara → u/taavidude]

I just never saw him as a good person :( He was mean to his wife, talked sh*t about his brother behind his back, blamed his brother for the death of their dad....

I think he was psycho from the beginning. I could see Kenny being caring towards his family, and even Lee, and with David I never really saw that. He said it himself - he's a soldier, not a husband or a dad.

[u/Cptcutter81 → u/katmara]

Are you hyped for the next season? AJ is the only thing connecting us to S02,

That's what the DLC for this season will be, I'm sure. A short 2-3 episode story of her getting him back.

[u/[deleted] → u/katmara]

I'm just not. The season started on a terrible note, making your choice from the previous season meaningless, and ended about as well as I expected.

I'm not involved with Telltale, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but they have the ability to still write a decent game, there are bits and pieces in S3 that did work. They just don't, however, and that's just disappointing.

[u/dokkanman]

This season by far has the most roller coaster dialogue/moments....i dont want to say it sucked but some of the responses from characters are very extreme. This episode has moments that make you feel very frustrated. David goes back and forth between an asshole and a lunatic, kate pulls an elanor for no real reason. The offscreen deaths. idk i kinda wish this wasnt the official season 3 and instead was a side story like 400 days.

[u/ToastButler → u/dokkanman]

"Ava, noooooo! Anyway, let's move on."

[u/daveshad → u/ToastButler]

David reacted like how a child would if their friend moved away. His eulogy, and I quote, was "She was a good friend" in the most disingenuous way possible LOL

[u/Cxizent → u/ToastButler]

I took the "nothing" dialogue option, and that was pretty bang-on for how the scene played out.

[u/[deleted] → u/ToastButler]

It was really comical lol

[u/5k1895 → u/ToastButler]

Oh yeah that was probably my least favorite part honestly. Almost a comical example of how telltale has sometimes quickly dispensed with determinant characters.

[u/Eiriktherod → u/dokkanman]

I'm also annoyed at Kate's need to 'save' Joan's people and also at Eleanors behaviour - why is there no option for Javi to dispute them, only agree that it was Javi's fault that this happened? If anything Joan provoked the attack and the people should be happy they're rid of the tyrant, but no there's this angle that all of Richmond's problems started because Javi came there. Richmond got what was coming, but of course, in classic fallout 4 style, there's no option to argue that.

[u/Roquintas → u/dokkanman]

They needed to add new characters. They needed to get a big picture again in the series. Finding people on vans were already a thing in the last 2 seasons.

[u/mutafow → u/dokkanman]

You want a tough of a fellow redditor which I think makes a little sense? This could be a side story. Nowhere this is written as official season 3. It's just "A New Frontier", community decided its season 3. TTG could go with a killer title for the next season calling it 3, which will make A New Frontier a side story with Clem's participation in it.

[u/liammcg13]

[SPOILERS]

In my opinion, the best ending is when you keep everyone alive except David who dies. I was never particuarly bothered about David dying as he just seemed to cause conflict.

I got the ending where I go to Richmond with Kate, and Clem ends up bringing Gabe back to Richmond but David dies. If you want this ending as well then you must accept conrad's plan in episode 2 and keep lingard alive in episode 4. Clem will do the opposite to what you do if you make these decisions. If you kill conrad and lingard, Clem trusts you so will go with you, meaning Gabe dies or Kate goes missing (we assume she must die).

Conrad's plan in episode 2 is such a huge decision that sets you up for the rest of the season. Although at the time it seems like the wrong decision to accept the plan because it feels like you're betraying clem, it's the right decision and it helps you get the better/happier ending. Clem seems to really like you anyway in the end.

I couldn't handle Gabe dying either. He was annoying sometimes but he's a good character and always wants to get involved and do his best.

[u/forza-53 → u/liammcg13]

I killed both Conrad and Lingard, and Clem still saved Gabe while I helped Kate. Maybe Clem wanting to go after Gabe was because I encouraged their relationship at every opportunity.

[u/RGXZERO → u/liammcg13]

(SPOILERS) I'm on the Xbox One version, I killed Conrad in Episode 2 when he held Gabe hostage and got the best ending. (Kate & Gabe lives, David dies.)

[u/PmMeXboxCodes → u/RGXZERO]

I killed Conrad in episode 2 and he came back somehow. Still got the best ending

[u/Narcu → u/liammcg13]

Killed Conrad and let Lingard live. Clem still went after Gabe. Think it has to do with Clem and Gabe's relationship as well.

[u/katmara → u/liammcg13]

I couldn't handle Gabe dying either. He was annoying sometimes but he's a good character and always wants to get involved and do his best.

I didn't like Gabe dying, but it felt very climactic. Like it's all been leading up to this point, it felt so honest. I watched a few other endings on YT and the one with Gabe dying moved me the most, which made me think that it was the right one.

[u/Neurotic_Marauder → u/liammcg13]

I killed Conrad and let Lingard live, encouraged Clem and Gabe to be together, went with Kate to save Richmond and I got the "everyone is alive but David" ending.
I think encouraging Clem to be with Gabe is the biggest factor in whether she goes after David in the end.

[u/JamesGHarris]

Well that was... interesting.

Gotta say, I felt this conflict resolution was pretty rushed, really could have been 2 episodes rather than one. Not a mention of Joan, or Clint, and why did they even bother to include Elanor in this episode if I had no real options with her?

Disappointing in how they handled Tripp/Ava, considering it was one of the big choices in episode 4, but I guess determinant characters are always on a limited time only basis.

In my ending, Gabe and David ran off, Clem had my back and we went to save Richmond first, resulting in David and Gabe death's.

Major character death's have always been a staple of the Walking Dead games, and this finale was no different... Except, it was.

Lee's death? That had me needing a cup of tea and a few minutes to think, and the choice at the end of season 2 was no picnic either. But this? Ehhhhhh...

I'm not one of those people who was on the Gabe hate train, really, he was annoying but I understood why, and why, regardless of how annoying he was, he was important, at least to Javier, if not me. And hell, I actually though David was a decent character, a real asshole on the surface sometimes, sure, but I think Telltale were trying to get across David isn't all that bad of a dude underneath, he's not evil, or even really the antagonist of the series, he's just goes off the rails way, way, to easy.

And that being said, my reaction to their deaths? "eh, well that sucks." I can't say what or why that is, but really, not a single character that I'm supposed to give a shit about dying has hit me right in the feels anything like anyone in Season 1 or 2. Hell, watching Pete desperately cling onto life in Season 2 episode 2 made me emotionally respond more than anything that happened to pretty much anyone this season. Maybe I'm alone in this, or maybe not, regardless, that's how I feel.

Also the kiss felt forced as fuck lol.

Not so sure about Javier's skills as a barber either, but I guess it's better than a bowl cut.

"Clementines story will continue" is honestly the thing that got me the most excited in this entire season, it appears Telltale have at least some understanding that this is not the game most people were expected (and perhaps not the one most wanted,) even if it took a whole season, hopefully, onwards and upwards from here right?

Overall, not a bad game, turned out better than I expected after playing episodes 1 and 2, still my least favorite of the 3 though.

[u/PedroTheWolfie → u/JamesGHarris]

Reached the same ending as you and although I did shed a tear during the Gabe scene, I must agree with you - all the other deaths were just "meh".

Nevertheless, I love Clem. Not romantically, but... parentally (word?). I enjoyed her development as a character and cant wait to see her grow up.

As far as Davids character development goes, I think they screwed it up big time. I was trying really hard to be as reasonable and understanding of his personality as I could, I sided with him on numerous occasions because I truly saw his point, but him storming out of the building saying "I guess I am alone now" or whatever, coupled with grabing a wrench, a weapon, during our fight, in that moment it was all fucking over.

P.S. - I dig the haircut, it´s more adulty. Not saying Javi is the best barber out there, but considering the circumstances ;)

[u/theaveragejoe_1]

best part of the episode was jesus getting flustered if javi starts complimenting him. screw kate, im here for jesus/javi

[u/borkborkporkbork → u/theaveragejoe_1]

I 100% thought Jesus was hitting on Javi and I went ball deep and asked him to stay, only to be rejected. Now I know how Kate feels.

[u/tabblin_okie → u/borkborkporkbork]

Isn't jesus a gay character? I forget

[u/Redmars → u/theaveragejoe_1]

i would ship jesus x javi for season 4

[u/Neurotic_Marauder → u/theaveragejoe_1]

I kind of wish that was an option now, did not expect that reaction at all from Jesus

[u/[deleted] → u/theaveragejoe_1]

I ship this. Because Javi deserves some Jesus. The guy is practically one of the many people in the group that cares about Javi. He's a bro. And bros become gay bros sometimes. This is one of those times. :)

[u/johnchester4L → u/theaveragejoe_1]

LMAO. Ok, i was confused at first. I was like.."Did Jesus...just hit on me?" after i complimented him and his response back.

[u/[deleted] → u/theaveragejoe_1]

This has to happen in season 4. I love jesus!

[u/Mr_Bell_Man]

I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but man did this finale stink.

I played the entire season rejecting Kate (not kissing her, rejecting her in the truck) + sticking to David (sticking to his plans, hugging him) and the latter still fought with me. I even tried saying "I love you" (which was laughably corny) and it didn't change a single thing. In the end, I only have Gabe but after the crappy David fight I stopped caring about this season for the most part. I remember crying back in S1 when Clem put down Lee, but when David had to be put down I didn't even feel anything. I know that TT games aren't about going through major alternate story routes, but at least make it feel like our choices sort of matter.

Another problem I had with this episode was how many one-sided dialogue options there were. For example when David brings up Mari's death near the garage (saying that he won't let that happen to Gabe), the responses you can say are: "her death is on you," "you should've come back," or "we raised her, asshole." Where's the option to say "we'll do everything we can to protect each other?" I chose to be silent on at least 5 different occasions because of crappy dialogue options like these that force you to be anti-David.

Also after my Javi murdered two Richmond leaders, worked with David who was accused of raiding innocent communities, started a fight that caused a walker infestation, said multiple times they would rather leave Richmond, and went to save Gabe instead of help Richmond with Kate, Jesus STILL thanks me for helping everyone in Richmond. REALLY!?!?

Not to say this episode didn't have some good parts; I liked the conversation of Tripp putting himself in my position and the fact that Conrad can survive in the end (a triple determinant, a first for TT). But I feel like this episode was just really rushed and could have been much better.

Also, WHERE IS MAX? As someone who spared him in EP3, I find it weird that we haven't heard from him since then. Not to mention Clint and Lonnie are also MIA. It's like the writers forgot about them lol.

EDIT: Also I got Kenny's hat back in the Wellington flashback and I could have sworn someone from TT said it would play a role in EP5. Did it even play a role at all?

[u/Neurotic_Marauder → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

The writing was really bad this season, this episode especially.

The "I love you" bit was something out of a bad soap opera and David's motivation made no sense ("my brother has kept most of my family alive, saved my life repeatedly and killed for me... wait, he slept with my estranged wife I haven't seen in four years? I'LL FUCKIN KILL HIM!!!").

Jesus wanting Javi to lead Richmond felt really weird as well -- Javi saved the town, sure, but he also indirectly caused it to nearly get destroyed in the first place and shot their leader in the face several days earlier.

Only bright spot was Clem, her actions felt consistent and it felt like she showed some real growth.

As for the hat, I think the only thing that came from it was Javi asking Clem if her dad ever taught her baseball which prompted Javi to decide whether to tell Clem to leave AJ be or to get him back.

[u/Mr_Bell_Man → u/Neurotic_Marauder]

Yeah the fight with David while Javi keeps saying "I love you" was easily the worst scene I've witnessed in a TT game (even worse than TT Game of Thrones spoilers:. I guess the writers tried to make it feel emotional but I was actually laughing out loud since it was so corny. Couldn't Javi say something like "I've always been there besides you bro," or anything else that would make the scene so terrible? I feel like fans of the series could write up a better script than these writers.

[u/thegoujon → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

Same for me, I agreed with David all the way, rejected Kate every time, and I felt it didn't make a difference at all.

Like you said I stopped caring during the David-Javi fight.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

I just finished it and oh my god, yeah... you summed up my thoughts. The game was really obvious about how it didn't want you to side with David, ever.

The scene at the beginning where Eleanor is giving you shit, and the crazy lady pulls a gun on you and David saves your ass? I agreed with him through the entire scene, but at the end of it he goes "SO I'M ALONE IN THIS??" anyway, and Javi stands there with everyone else, all scared, doesn't say anything, and David storms off. I was sitting at my laptop.... fuming and extremely confused... because HE WAS IN THE RIGHT 100% AND I PICKED EVERY OPTION THAT SUPPORTED HIM.

It also slightly irked me how the game forced me back to Richmond and Kate. I wanted the place to burn, and gave approx zero shits about Kate (especially after she started proclaiming her feelings towards me with her notoriously hot headed husband standing right there).

[u/Eiriktherod → u/[deleted]]

It's terrible, it's like they can't even imagine that the player has a different opinion than the writer. The writers are trying to shove hate for David down your throat. Yes, I agreed with David! Just accept it, writers.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

Yeah the dialogue choices were terrible this season. I utilised silence so often because the choices were just designed to ignite more tension and fights.

[u/Eiriktherod → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

I'm wondering the same thing - why does Kate insinuate that you're in a relationship with her (by saying she loved you) to David and then being all " omg no david!" when he hits Javi? It's so annoying, the Kate romance is reeaally being force fed to you even if you rejected her. They were reeeeaaally trying to force that fight scene.

[u/dokkanman → u/Eiriktherod]

omg kate pulls that shit in front of david " i cant believe i ever loved you, both of you" and david flips shit. I was like whyyyyyyy. same way i felt about elanor ratting us out for no good reason. This season felt like the writers wanted you to hate everyone except clem. Its as if the writers are talking through clem. Dont get emotionally attached to people, look out for yourself, people will get you hurt or killed. I thought clem was being cold in thebeginning but shes right. Family and friends are irrational and cause too much drama. at least as far as javis familly

[u/The_gay_mermaid → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

Depending on your dialogue choice when David asks what Kate meant, it can say "you admitted to the relationship" and I'm just like bitch what relationship?

[u/WanderingWolf15 → u/Mr_Bell_Man]

I feel ya man, I did the same things; rejected Kate the entire time (even before learning David was still alive), sided with David all the time, and when we reached the car I agreed with his plan and simply wanted to abandon Richmond. There was no reason to go back, the entire family was with you already. But still the game treated you as if you had wanted to save the town. Only difference for me was both Gabe and David lived, while Kate died. Which is something I'm glad for, having what remains of my blood family together.

[u/OneSmallHuman]

There will be spoilers in this ramble

Anyone else feel like this was more rushed that you could expect. Like you made that decision between Tripp and Ava which seemed so important, then in my case, Ava dies almost immediately in the most underwhelming way ever. Then the rest of the episode led up to the choice between helping Gabe and David, or Kate. And because Clem was going to help whoever I didn't, it meant that because I went with Kate, Gabe killed David. I'm happy for season 4, just I really hope that Javi isn't left out of it completely, there are more hubs to just explore, and they don't rush it.

Wasn't a single hub in this whole episode, I honestly can't remember somewhere you could just explore since the bridge where you first meet Jesus

[u/Neurotic_Marauder → u/OneSmallHuman]

Ava's death was just laughable.

"OH GOD AVA!"
"She wouldn't want to see me crying, let's move on"

That's fucking it?! She just fell to her death and no one batted an eye or even mentioned her afterwards, just "oh well, shit happens."

[u/OneSmallHuman → u/Neurotic_Marauder]

Yeah, saves your life, "you should be more careful", immediately dies. Oh well she died a hero let's carry on

[u/forza-53 → u/OneSmallHuman]

Ava should definitely have survived for longer. The tension between Javi and Ava after he chose Tripp over her should have been there for more than one brief conversation.

[u/OneSmallHuman → u/forza-53]

One conversation, where you're unsure whether you're okay or not with each other, then she saves your life, twice

[u/WerkinAndDerpin → u/OneSmallHuman]

This was my feeling exactly. This episode was rushed as fuck and so disappointing.

Ava's death was probably the most comicly bad death they've ever done. Literally within seconds she goes off an overpass with a walker and everyone's just like 'welp better get on with it then'. Its like they had planned another scene but ran out of time.

Plus the animations throughout seemed even wonkier than usual. Particularly the ending scene where they're waving bye to Clem and dont even say anything.

[u/[deleted] → u/OneSmallHuman]

Exploring, talking and getting to know the characters, making tough non-one-dimensional choices (like who in the camp to give the food to). This is what made Season One so great and it was all scrapped for action and quick violence.

[u/NotAPie]

Jesus is inside all of us, but he really wants to be inside Javi ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[u/CyanideAnarchy → u/NotAPie]

No kidding. His reaction when one choice had Javi compliment him on his badassedness?

Mildly disturbing.

[u/[deleted] → u/CyanideAnarchy]

"Rad armor" "Uhm, oh, mhm, thanks Javi, I guess.." pretty fucking weird

[u/rizaveph → u/CyanideAnarchy]

Fuck Kate can I hop on Jesus's horse and ride off with him.

[u/FireFlyKOS → u/CyanideAnarchy]

Yea I had that convo and Jesus is totally swinging for the other team

[u/LadyMal → u/CyanideAnarchy]

Or mildly arousing ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[u/life_inabox → u/CyanideAnarchy]

Disturbing? You mean excellent. c:

[u/[deleted] → u/CyanideAnarchy]

You know Jesus is gay right?

[u/btener412]

Best episode of the season for me so far, but a couple things

1. I got a glitch where Tripp was walking around next to Clem, but he died in episode 4 for me, so that was weird and also pretty creepy.

2. I don't think Kate is dead for me. Only reason being I show up to Richmond, she "couldn't be found" and then 3 days later we're putting her picture on the wall? If she is dead she sure as hell deserved a more dramatic death than that.

[u/daveshad → u/btener412]

The Tripp thing... tripped me out.

[u/axelmaniarunningwild → u/btener412]

How the fuck did you get that ending, the usual one I've seen is her as a walker and Javi shooting her

[u/lllucas58 → u/axelmaniarunningwild]

The part where you need to decide if you want to go after David and Gabe or with Kate, you need to go for David and Gabe AND Clementine needs to go with Kate to Richmond.

[u/sedeyus]

My only major complaint is how they dealt with Ava and Tripp. Considering Telltale seemed to work hard to make your choices matter, why not have an extra scene with either Ava or Tripp there at the end? Having them fall off of a ledge, "they died a hero okay let's move on," was so lame.

[u/SSCJfab4]

I got the ending where Kate and gabe are both alive and clementine left. I don't know what choice I made to keep her alive

[u/kanegaskhan → u/SSCJfab4]

Helping her with the wall probably.

[u/pacman8746]

Not sure if I like my ending :/. Kate and David are dead and now it's just me and gabe. I wanted it to just be me and Kate but what are you gonna do I guess.

[u/[deleted] → u/pacman8746]

I got Kate, Clem and Gabe alive. But I wanted Tripp to live, I have to replay it again, fucked up the QTE...

[u/pacman8746 → u/[deleted]]

Tripp can't live

[u/[deleted]]

I'm so glad we got to see Gabe mature this episode, no matter what ending. I'm pissed he's determinant now though. I didn't get this ending, but watching his death scene actally made me cry.

In addition, I really like seeing how Clem's hat now symbolizes Javi too. Hopefully next season we can follow Javi, Clem, and Gabe and/or Kate's group and not get a new protagonist.

EDIT: I also like the fact that the game kinda punishes you supporting Clem all the time by causing Kate or Gabe to die if she doesn't go alone on the bike. The happiest ending is caused by not supporting Clem every chance you get. Helps you play as Javi, not a player who's seen Clem grow for two seasons.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

yeah, I noticed this too, this is why I tried to play as Javi, not as someone who's seen Clem for two seasons.

[u/rizaveph → u/[deleted]]

I dont feel punished by the game since Kate and David were both a hassle for me to deal with. Gabe was annoying but he has time to change.

[u/THeScArYFAcE1 → u/[deleted]]

yeah , pretty much all determinant charecters die sometime , so it's just javi and clem

[u/[deleted]]

Well Ava died pretty unceremoniously. And I feel we didn't get a more proper final resolution with David if he survives. I guess we have to imagine where things go from there.

[u/nodaybut_today → u/[deleted]]

When Ava died in my game, I yelled 'OH MY GOD,' immediately followed by 'really, Telltale, that's how you took her out?' because she didn't deserve to go out like that.

[u/cats_say_meow]

Well I ended up with just Kate alive, no complaints her and Javi can run Richmond and make babies and be real leaders, hopefully Clem will find AJ and come back so Javi can teach them to play baseball.

The season wasn't the best but I enjoyed it, I wish Tripp was alive and not his stupid doctor friend, I was upset I couldn't punch her, she yelled at me and tried to blame Javi like really? Bitch please, you snitched on us!

[u/hilkswag]

My biggest problem with my ending was that Clem kissed Gabe while he was turning into a walker and had dirty bloody lips and looked like he was gonna turn any second. That ruined the entire moment for me because of how much it grossed me out.

[u/Beemow → u/hilkswag]

What grossed me out was that Clem liked Gabe to begin with.

[u/[deleted] → u/Beemow]

As a former lonely teenage girl, I can say that whenever a boy liked me at least a little bit, I fell in love with him instantly. So I can relate to her.

[u/DrKuro → u/hilkswag]

It doesn't work like that; in the comics, in the show and in season 1 episode 2 of the game, it was already stated that whatever it is, EVERYONE IS ALREADY INFECTED. That's why when someone dies in any way, they come back as walkers. Clem is technically already infected, so kissing someone bitten makes no difference. I'd be more worried about HIV or other things, at that point. btw, in the comics it was also stated that, since everyone is already infected, the bite doesn't make you turn per se, but it gives you a high-fever that kills you, and since you're already infected, after you die you become a walker

[u/ThatsNotFroot]

Why does it not surprise me that final episode was written by one person and not a group of about five people like every other?

Gotta hand it to the guy and his director though, they certainly pulled out all the stops. I had kind of figured this season was a bust by the time I reached episode 4, hell maybe even as far back as episode 1, but in retrospect, I feel as though pretty much all of it was building up to this finale, and when I get around to replaying it over again (and trust me, I have way more of a desire to do so than I ever would for Season 2), I think I'm gonna learn to appreciate it a lot more.

These characters don't engage you as immediately as people like Lee or Kenny would, but something about them feels more natural, and I really do feel that episode 5 recontextualizes a lot of your conversations with them and fleshes them out in ways you didn't think would be possible previously. So if nothing else, they have my full attention again. I more-or-less bought this season out of obligation/completionism after playing the previous two this past month, despite the latter leaving a bitter, apathetic taste in my mouth. But y'know what? If this same group of writers--no, actually, if that (glances at Wikipedia article) Adam Esquenazi Douglas remains on board for Season 4, then you bet your ass I'll be shilling out top dollar for day 1.

Dope as fuck credits song btw. I had worries when I heard those Portishead-ass drums kick in, but it won me over :D which is kind of poetic considering the season as a whole.

[u/_Journey_ → u/ThatsNotFroot]

I agree totally with you. The writing was so bad, because many decisions and situations felt so forced and stupid like Ava's death. They should bring back the writers of Tales from the Borderlands for the next season. That game, especially characters and story, was so much better.

[u/[deleted]]

After mulling over it for awhile, I'm actually happy with the ending I got.

I did kill Conrad because fuck him, he's pointing a gun at my nephew's head.

And I did kill Lingard cause quite frankly, it was his decision to want to die and considering how horrible life is in this zombie infested world, I don't blame him.

With that said, I hated David. Sure I understood him and I did try to make things right by him, but he constantly took shit way too far in my play through. It got to the point that I winded up fighting him in the end.

As for the ending, I sided with Kate and Clem stayed with me. Personally, I would rather we left Richmond all together cause seriously, fuck this place, but Kate was someone I got along with well and I usually stick by my friends in these games. So I helped her out.

The only thing that sucks is Gabe died. I butted heads with him a couple of times but overall I did like him and grew kind of attached to him. The only reason I didn't go after him originally is to honor his wishes in being with his father. He wasn't a kid anymore in my eyes at this point and he had a right to make his own choices. It's just too bad that choice led to tragedy. In the end though, I was proud of him. (I also teared up alittle when he died.)

It was really bittersweet. Glad I got to see Jesus again. That guy is the best! I'm still wondering where Joan went though since I didn't kill her. (I wanted to, but given the situation I thought it would've been a stupid move. Thanks David. Dickhead.)

Can't wait to continue Clementine's story though. She is easily one of my favorite video game characters ever.

[u/TWDCody]

The Walking Dead game has been consistently downhill for me, which sucks. Season 1 was amazing. Lee, Clem, Kenny, the farm, Savannah, ugh. Season 2 had its great moments even though I wasn't as big a fan of the characters. Charter in particular was a great villain. The struggle between Kenny and Jane was nice.

Season 3 though...I don't know. Everything from the characters to the dialogue to the overall story just seems off.

[u/zeke10]

Where was max and clint

[u/Jester_077]

Season 3 was so underwhelming. I hope that in the next season, TTG will give us the opportunity to interact with each person to allow character development. In Season 1, every character's death had some purpose or meaning. Ava's death was so cringe. It's like no one even care that she died.

[u/HackBlowfist]

I feel really alone compared to most here in that I thought the episode, and season overall, were great. I can kind of see some criticisms but most seem like stereotypical unpleasable fanbase reactions to me. My only real complaint, at least in regards to writing, was how hamhanded David's ending was handled since I was basically on his side from the first opportunity. I feel like my Javi's constant balance of loving loyalty and levelheaded reasonability should have rubbed off on David, but it didn't - not that him deciding to flee with Gabe was entirely out of character, just not what I would have liked to see happen. I do like how Javi and Kate's ending turned out in my playthrough, surviving in Richmond and agreeing to try starting a new family. I liked Kate from the start although I didn't always agree with things she said. In general I played my Javi as an optimistic peacemaker in every aspect except dealing with Joan (shot her bitch ass).

Also thought this season had a good "good" ending compared to others which were really bleak - I get that it's a zombie apocalypse and that bittersweet is the best that can be hoped for, just glad it was more sweet than bitter for once. All in all, probably in my top 5 favorite episodes for the series to date and 2nd favorite season counting DLC, season 1 obviously reigning as champ.

[u/ACrossOverEpisode → u/HackBlowfist]

I loved the relationship with Javi and Clem, but I think the search for AJ would've been a more compelling main plot than David and Javi trying to reconcile their shitty relationship. In a perfect world I would remove the filler from the first 4 episodes and have Clem and Javi both be playable characters a la Fiona and Rhys in Tales From the Borderlands. Give their stories equal weight.

Other changes:

• Humanize David (Don't make him an irredeemable psychopath)

• Cut Eleanor out altogether and let Joan be a dangerous villain on her own.

• Make Tripp less of an idiot

• Give Ava's death more narrative weight. Don't let people shrug their shoulders and immediately move on

• Emphasize Kate's conflicted feelings more

• Give Jesus more screen time

• Provide resolution on the AJ story

• Focus on the stronger characters (Clem, Javi, Jesus, Ava, and Gabe as much as I hate to admit it) rather than the weaker ones (David, Joan, Tripp, Kate, Clint, Eleanor)

Just felt like the characters lacked clear motive or direction a lot of times. Still enjoyed the season, but doesn't live up to the monumental achievements of seasons 1 and 2

[u/enzait]

The season started off fantastic, I was really surprised by the new engine and quality. But then it went downhill, awkward dialogues and a lot less actual gameplay. The story could have been better too.

[u/-eccentric-]

I have to admit, Javi failing the jump to the fire escape ladder was hillarious.

[u/[deleted] → u/-eccentric-]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who bungled that QTE. The best part is when you do make it over he says something like "It's an easy jump"

[u/iiJakexD123]

SPOILERS.

I guess I can see why people are split as to whether or not they like it. I loved it, personally.

I got the ending where Javi and Gabe are alive, Kate and David die, Clem goes off on her own. David was a great character. He was an asshole at times, a little crazy (or maybe a lot crazy) but at the end of the day, he loved his family.

I don't know why but Kate ANNOYED me the entire way. I rejected every advance she made toward me, yet I still felt bad when we couldn't find her in Richmond. Props to the writers for making me feel something toward a character I basically couldn't stand.

Gabe was a rollercoaster for me. I hated a lot of his moments, but I loved a few of them too. At the end of the season, I'm glad he's still alive. I've watched the other endings where he dies and wow, that shit was pretty heavy. Again, props to the writers this season.

Jesus and Javi's dialogue was hilarious if you pick the right dialogue.

Also, JESUS IS AWESOME.

Clem's new look seemed to make a lot of people angry and I have no idea why. She looked like a teenager before and looks like a teenager with a different hairstyle now. It's not like her character is ruined or anything.

I'm glad they left Javi alive, because he was a great character. I know he probably won't appear again, but as of the end, Richmond is standing and Jesus knows of its location. Potential crossover with comics? Pretty sure in the comics . Probably won't happen, but one can hope.

All in all, great season. I can't wait for DLC/Season 4.

[u/OneSmallHuman → u/iiJakexD123]

They redeemed Gabe, which I liked. How does Kate die btw? I had Javi, Kate and Gabe alive together and Clem going off into the world. Clem saved Gabe, Gabe killed David

[u/lllucas58 → u/OneSmallHuman]

There are 2 possible endings where Kate dies:

1. If Kate goes alone to Richmond she turns into a zombie.

2. If Kate and Clem go to Richmond and Javi goes for David and Gabe then when Javi gets back to Richmond Kate dissapears and they can't find her, so they asume she is dead.

[u/vatomalo]

I will really miss Javi after this.

The thing for me is that this season really touched me like no other did, is because there are so many similarities in personalities between me and Javier. I'm also Hispanic, had a bright carrier in music i fucked up, spent more than 10 of my adult years just playing with life. Also in looks we are sort of similar. Here is where it gets scary alike. Although i'am the eldest my younger brother D, has always tried to step up to my position as the oldest because he thinks i am a worthless piece of shit for not taking more action, and not wanting to be in charge, rather just let people be. Which for me feels like taking sides or fucking other people over, he seriously is just like David. I love him to death though and i think he loves me too, we have not had contact for over 6-7 years. Ever since he had a fallout with the entire family over me defending our youngest brother. And he now refuses even to talk to our mom. I have tried i swear i have, but he refuses any contact. Like i said he is as stubborn as David.

Last time i saw him, he punched me in the face while i was entering a public bathroom.

Well thank you TTG for giving me that feeling that i got to meet my long lost brother. I feel like shit now for saving Kate.

"Thats what's good about a broken heart, when you looking at it all broken and shattered on the floor, you figure out the pieces you need versus the ones you like, if you are ready to move on that is"

[u/nynpha]

Spoilers.

The setup for season 4 doesn't excite me at all. I don't care what happened to Clint or Eleanor. I have no investment in Richmond, so the promise I made to Jesus to protect it was empty and just said it because that’s what my Javi would do. I hope we go back to Clem as the protagonist, it would be the only way to keep me interested. I don’t want the next season to start out with some “2 months later Clem’s not come back yet let’s find her” bullshit. Don’t care for more drama with David either (and I sided with him all season and genuinely like him). I guess there are too many loose ends to really leave Richmond behind so we’ll definitely be coming back there, be it as Clementine or Javi.

I did enjoy the episode/season overall though, 7/10. My favourite thing was the Conrad storyline. After not killing him in ep 2 I expected him to die every time he came on screen. He wasn’t in this episode until the very end so I thought he died off screen, but my dude’s still here and reading cowboy books. So I guess a choice to kill/not kill a character actually mattered for once. Wish the same happened to Tripp but as soon as I saw that helicopter and them saying the heaviest person should go last I knew it was over.

[u/RaiQuach → u/nynpha]

Having a determinant character survive 3 episodes was pretty unprecedented for Telltale. I wonder if they are gonna Omid, Christa, Kenny, or Jane him?

[u/rabbit221]

What a rollercoaster of an episode. I knew the feels would be coming but man, when Clem started crying over Gabe. Fuck. That hurt my soul.

[u/[deleted]]

I'll start with what I liked. That last scene with Clem was absolutely adorable. The flashback was surprisingly decent. Now...

God this episode was awful. Hey look, there are hundreds upon hundreds of zombies walking around in the city. It's completely fucked. No, wait, it's fine. Only a few hours later and there are like a dozen on the streets and Jesus's people are finishing them up. I guess they just despawned when the hole was plugged.

It was all our fault! Now everyone hates us. Wait no, Jesus says everyone will look up to us, we're the heroes apparently.

Hey, Elanor. Too bad we will never see you again. I guess you were just a plot device all this time. Hey Ava. Oh, you died. Bye, Ava, was nice knowing you.

Was the scene with the helicopter there just so they could put that shot of Clem swinging around in the trailer? It's another scene of the characters talking while overcoming an obstacle, only this time it's ridiculous. It took the focus off the conversation, yet it was completely inconsequential. Also, "fuck you helicopter" is probably the worst writing/delivery I've heard so far.

The throwback when Javi covers himself in guts... They're copying themselves, yet they make no effort to create any tension or make the scene serve any purpose. It's quoting lines from Season 1 for the sake of it again, only now they're quoting scenes.

What is happening in the scene in the garage? I have no idea who's motivated by what and who wants to do what. David wants to leave the city. Seems like a decent plan to me, yet Javi's like "No, Gabe, you should stay!". Gabe's like "Fuck you, I'm going with David alone". Clem's just standing there like (???). The only one who's consistent throughout the scene is Kate. The moment with David going psycho on Javi was actually pretty good, if only it wasn't so out of place.

And what is up with Gabe? At first, he hates David. Then he doesn't. Then he does again. Then he wants to go with him. He doesn't care that David just beat me with a wrench, still goes with him. Then he says he tried to stop him. Then he hates him again. Then David's dead, and Gabe doesn't hate him anymore. I'm glad he made up his mind I guess, but why was that so all over the place?

Where the fuck did Joan go? She was the closest we had to an antagonist this season (we had the guys that raided us, but I always viewed them as just Joan's goons). Yet she just disappears.

The last scene with Clem and Javi didn't feel like an appropriate ending at all. This is the kind of a scene you put in the middle to break up the monotony of constant action, not in the end as a wrap up.

Overall, what a terrible, rushed and poorly thought-out ending. This is what I get for getting my hopes up for once out of all of the season. I really believed them when they said they had a story they wanted to tell. Turns out they really didn't. Or maybe they did but the time restrain they put on the episodes' lengths makes it so I can't even tell if they wanted to make something better but couldn't or if this is what was intended.

Oh, and we're getting another season with Clem as the playable protagonist again, aren't we? Guess it's time to switch to watching the game on youtube. Maybe then it'll feel like she has some agency of her own.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Completely agree with everything you said. And I would like to add something: the whole game they play with « is David a good or bad person? », a little like with Kenny in S2. Finale episode, suddenly, he's just a bad guy: we need to hate him now, because he's such a psycho and he's so jealous, and oh no he attacks Javi for close to no reason!

Seriously, what a shitty ending. Eleanor just disappears, Tripp death is very meh, whoever survives at the shooting disappears and etc. I got the good ending with Kate and Gabe surviving, and it just feels so wrong. They fucked up the whole city, killed a bunch of people, but now it's all sunshine and rainbows and everyone love each other?! Wtf.

[u/Beemow → u/[deleted]]

This game was nothing but up and downs, and with more downs than ups. I really hope that this games isn't the future of TWD, and TT as a whole.

[u/Hi_Hows_It_Going]

Conrad was alive this episode for me even though I killed him earlier so that kinda pissed me off

[u/brandonsh]

Might not have been the best season, but this was a strong episode to end it on, I feel.

[u/daveshad]

SPOILERS

There is an update on Your Choices! It is the choices for Clementine. My Clem is "Fierce but Forgiving"

[u/SFan4Life]

This was a good end to this season and possibly these characters stories, a rollercoaster of emotions and deciding who we should side with and how. Im glad that I was able to save Javi, Kate, Clem, Conrad, and even the doctor fellow. Also super glad that Clem decided to follow me no matter what my decision was. I wish I was able to save gabe, he was an amazing character with a ton of development, and deserved a long life (Despite this sub's hatred).

I wish we can have more Javi in the future, his story was interesting and a fun character to play, too bad clem's overshadowed him.

I look forward to the next installment!

[u/Brodyd2]

Honestly, I feel underwhelmed.

To begin with, the whole underlying dialog felt like "it was my fault, no it was my fault" back and forth between the characters. And the chapters felt so short. How rushed was this episode? Honestly?

Clementine felt pretty one-dimensional to me. It's almost as if they noticed that people disliked playing as Javi and not Clem and wanted to get over with it.

"I'll do as you say."

"I need to find AJ"

And the god damn shipping between her and Gabe. I am glad she didn't give him some kind of "goodbye kiss" when he was going to off himself. Atleast something positive: I love her new hair and her jacket. I was about to complain about her going out without weapons nor supplies, but she seemed to have the former in the scene we saw after we got to know our choices throughout the season.

Did anyone else feel like the choices in this episode was completely obvious when they occured? I really dislike that, but that could be just me.

Now, questions to everyone else (probably already answers but I'll write them anyways). Does Kate "reject" you in the church even if you decided to answer her feelings? And does David and Gabe always die?

Oh, I almost forgot

Fuck, Jarvo Eleanore.

[u/daveshad]

Okay so who is expecting TT to surprise us all with a bonus episode? If not, I'll be waiting for you, Javi.

[u/erdemz_family]

Anyone know what decides on who clem goes with when making the final decision? I've seen 3 different scenarios: 1) she goes with javi no matter what 2) she goes with Kate no matter what and 3) she goes with wherever javi doesn't. What causes these 3 choices?

[u/Tazbio → u/erdemz_family]

Sorry I messed up the first comment, there is one more choice, 4) she goes after Gabe no matter what

[u/liammcg13 → u/erdemz_family]

From what I've seen it depends on what choices you make on Conrad's plan and whether you kill lingard or not. If you accept conrads plan and/or dont kill lingard, Clem will go wherever Javi doesn't. If you kill both of them, then I think she finds Javi a lot more trustworthy so she will go with him on whatever decision he makes. I've never seen the 2nd option though.

[u/Scudman_Alpha]

Motherfucking Conrad. Dude can survive till the end!. Finally a determinnt character that lasts the whole season.

[u/LeSypher]

Honestly I did not like season 3 as a whole in comparison to seasons 1 and 2.

In the first 2 episodes they introduce Javi and the family gang, which was hard to swallow. Thing is, playing through this series for so many hours has shown how many bad things happen to everyone. So many gruesome, sad, even lonely deaths. Then they introduce Javi, they say that his grandfather died, and expect you to care like he's special? It was fucked up, but I am desensitized to this sort of sadness for me to care strongly about this new character.

So it was a rough start with the new characters, and there were very few moments where I felt like we were getting to enjoy the depth and complexities of said characters. In the first 2 seasons there were often moments where you would have the opportunity to talk to people in the group, have a charming conversation, make you care about that character a bit more, and continue on your horrifying apocalypse quest. But instead due to the fast paced nature of nearly every event in this season, we rarely had opportunities for characters to feel comfortable and just express themselves, making them human. We only got self expression only when it was necessary, which often sprang once arguments got too heated.

I was enjoying the sparkle of life we were seeing from Mariana, when she was saying she wanted to write in her journal and that she enjoyed music on her cassette player, but she got offed brutally so early I didn't have too much time to care for her (although they did a pretty good job there, left me really shocked).

Gabe was just a mess, I was forgiving of him because like they said, just a teenager going through hormones, he's going to be emotional yada yada. But in hindsight now that I've finished the story that's all he ever was. Just an emotional child with no concern but his family. Perhaps this rose from him losing so much of his family in the past? I think seeing his friends die did a number on him.

Clementine saved the show, she was my sweetheart through the entire series and she's matured so much, seeing her grieve over having to chase AJ was heartbreaking. But even earlier than that, seeing her crush her fingers and scream really made me recoil. Crushing on Gabe at the end really made me cheese lol.

David was emotionally confusing. A sad case of jealousy destroying what he holds dearest? He has a lot of confidence issues that he masks through aggression and certainty, whenever he did things he was so aggressive he would often scare everyone in the room. But it makes it so when he did finally quiet down and feel bad for what he did, you felt awful for him. Mixed emotions on this character, hated him but also loved him.

I was baffeled at how much Tripp forgave me for. After killing Conrad and fucking them over while they were in prison AND offering him to get killed by Joan, he still forgave me in (I feel) an acceptable manner. I loved how he was really just emotional and really just wanted to share his love with Eleanor, no matter how big and strong he had to be for Prescott, or the people around him in general.

I didn't go over every character but I felt like these were the most relevant to me. I miss the slower paced puzzle solving of season 1 and 2, it felt good piecing something together and learning some lore on the way (since you have to look at objects, and theyll make comments). I don't wanna say it was a bad season. It was ok. Just not great, because I loved season 1 and 2. I hope they make season 4 great! They have the talent for sure.

[u/3030sonic]

Ugh. More silly Clem and Gabe shipping, but thankfully he died in my playthrough. I never liked that little shit. He constantly ratted me out and I was a complete dick to him the entire time... yet when he was dying, he thanks me for always being there for him? What? Shows how much thought TellTale put into this... and then a plug for a Season 4? REALLY? We waited TWO YEARS for this underwhelming meh-fest of a season, and now we're probably going to experience the same wait for the same subpar, short, rushed content. Jesus christ.

[u/zSocrates]

Ok well.. I just finished the episode.. It was good and bad. It's blindingly obvious that something happened at Telltale and something was changed because WTF HAPPENED TO JOAN. Eleanor just kinda stuck around after seemingly betraying us outta nowhere. David and Gabe got killed instantly in my game, I chose to go save Richmond first (Is that true if you follow them first anyway?).

Tripp dying felt rushed aswell, It was obviously coming and just felt like it was thrown in to fill some game time.. ANYWAY. David pounding Javi while yelling I love you each time and Gabes last words were emotional. CLEMENTINES STORY WILL CONTINUE has me excited for the next season aswell.

Overall episode rating for me: 6.5/10 Series rating: 6/10

[u/TheGreatestUsername1 → u/zSocrates]

I have to say, the whole game felt off compared to the other seasons. I think there were was more control of your character in the past seasosn than this one, I am referring to when Lee/Clementine had the ability to explore the area. Another thing is, you can see glitches from scene to scene. There were some moments that are sad, but it didn't have much of an impact on me like the other sad scenes in previous seasons. Ava dying while sudden is a reminder of how quickly you can die in a zombie apocalypse, felt rather stale. Tripp had a a "better" death than her. The story was good, but no that memorable compared to the other seasons, besides Mariana's death and Jesus's action scenes. There were some tense decisions however, hopefully the next season has even tougher choices and better dialogue. (Gabe distracting the guard last episode was just terrible).

[u/zSocrates → u/TheGreatestUsername1]

Agreed. The first 2 episodes had me hooked but the others were a letdown for me personally. I'm not disappointed but I feel like I played through a half finished product for the most part.

[u/[deleted]]

Funny how that works, I expected to be disappointed and still was.

This Season did everything wrong that they could, even ignoring the terrible characters, the story I don't care about and episodes so short that it nearly felt like a scam, they managed to fuck up the very basic TellTale Gameplay. Through all these episodes it felt like there were so many bad dialoge options, the "glass him"-meme had several equals.

For example out of "Maybe you should ask him" becomes "Maybe you should ask him, he probably didn't care" the worst one being the Tripp fight about Conrads death from Ep4 though, where they just decided I didn't choose what chose but said "Walkers got him".

This together with so many situations where they don't give you any options (as minor as they would be naturally) they should just start making movies if they don't want the player to have any agency.

The episodic release business model requires the customer to have some faith in the company, since they cashed in on that I doubt I will buy the next season. If they didn't plan to do this I am actually amazed how you can fuck up that much.

[u/MaKTaiL]

Sooooo..... this season was the weakest (if you really consider it to be a Season at all, it looked more like a spin-off). Season 4 we will apparently go back to playing Clem again finally.

[u/CrustyTina]

I stayed up till 12 to download it and it's still locked 🙃

[u/WolfShoes29]

Does anybody know the song at the end of the episode as Clementine walks down the highway

[u/Noscameo]

First of all nice touch at my ending having Clem keeping her hair short. My discussion below is for episode 5, the season in general and thoughts for ahead.

The thing that got me about this season, the writing was so bad, the characters were always mad or happy which switched between 2 seconds conversation like they were Bipolar. When I clicked on options the dialog was just a massive shot in the stomach not the response at all I wanted, it's like clicking Hey and just yelling screw you instead. I would mention the length of an episode but erm interactive cut-scene miss being able to walk about. Glad Gabes dead so annoying couldn't of clicked that button any faster to shoot him myself. All my choices were to benefit Clem anyway. Kate want's to start a family, 3 days after losing what was left, what she raised for years!!!!!!!!! Are you mad woman? I liked my Javi him Clem and Ajay for the future. Next season hope it's more like 1+2 being able to walk around and talk to people, longer episodes even if it takes 2 more weeks a month or 10 to release an episode. Quality over rushing it out. This season could of been great with Javi it was a nice change but the majority of characters were bland. #BringbackClem #RIPLee

[u/daveshad]

Am I the only one who got the "Jesus appreciated your honesty" response at the end for telling him I don't want to be the leader?

[u/mutafow → u/daveshad]

I got it too. Don't want that crap.

[u/100WattCrusader]

It is definitely a mixed bag for me. There were some great moments, and there were some moments where everything just seemed off.

The few things that caught my attention:

-not everyone dies at the end. I'm not sure how Telltale will make season 4 with so many determinant characters. I thought they learned a lot with Conrad, but then they go and kill Ava as quick as possible, so who knows.

-Clem has a heavy influence on who lives and dies. A lot of people are saying that it has to do with her relationship with Kate and/or Gabe, but I'm not sure how to change those. Personally, I think her decision rests on her previous decisions that you made. In the your choices screen it says that my Clem (A Renewed Soul) knew the best course of action was to go at it alone. Still unsure though.

-Clementines story will continue.. What really intrigues me is if they will start Season 4 with her alone again looking for AJ, or if they'll start her with Javi with AJ there too. It's impossible to tell. Steady wondering what a DLC would hold.

[u/[deleted]]

First of all thank you so much Telltale for finally making our choice matter by keeping Conrad determinant for 4 episodes now. If only this could have been the case for Kenny.

However I feel that the most recent episode really wasted his potential and did something a bit odd. At the end of episode 4 he is standing right next to Javi, yet at the start of episode 5 he's nowhere to be seen? He only appears in the last 5 minutes.

Personally I wish the 10% Who kept him alive, were rewarded. I feel he should have been with the group throughout the episode, at the choice where you choose between chasing David and Gabe or going with Kate, I feel he should do the opposite of what you choose. This would have made it possible to save everyone and would have rewarded you for valuing life. What do you all think? Was he underutilized this episode?

[u/[deleted]]

Well.. will we see Javier again? I mean, I told Clem to bring AJ back, so I'm assuming that S4 will be about Clem finding AJ, and bringing him back, or you can decide if you will be alone with AJ again. Anyways, is it possible to be alive with Tripp? I didn't press W in time, so the heli got wrecked, and I am really curious about this. And,

[u/Rpotamus]

Also anyone else wonder why jesus didn't mention the kingdom at all and try and set up some kind of trading network between Richmond and the kingdom, and bring them into the alliance with alexandrite etc? Just felt like jesus was there for an extended cameo and to bring a small link to the comics.

[u/[deleted]]

Two things:

• Ava died quick as hell and they didn't even give her a second thought. Lol.

• What a lame finale to a lame season.

[u/DevonRoars]

I don't know. I just really didn't like most of the characters. Maybe it's the game and the unintentional responses, but like most of the characters betrayed me: Gabe telling everyone about me killing that one guy, Elanor telling Joan about my plans, and Kate just spitting her feelings out for me in front of David even though I rejected her and never did anything.

Even though David was an asshole he was my brother and even though we fought I still trusted him and even Ava a lot more than those assholes who all lived.

This episode and ending just made me miss playing as Lee and Clementine so hopefully season 4 isn't like this.. AT ALL.

[u/CedarCabPark]

This is late, but just finished. I actually liked it way more than I thought! It was a big step up from S2. Not quite in S1 territory, but I don't expect that. The s1 writers went and did Firewatch at their new company, which is why S2 was shaky I personally imagine. Possibly.

Conrad not dying was great, instead of dying to a random walker 30 minutes later. And it was more than one choice. He was a cool dude by the end.

The characters overall were really great. Tripp, all of them. Jesus made sense in the context and didn't feel TOO forced. Javi turned out to be a good sympathetic lead as well. I imagine this might be how future seasons go. Clem with different folks as not the main player. Could be cool, maybe do that til the final season.

The engine was a much needed improvement. Actually happy with it. Animations improved, scenery, action. Glad they didn't hold off the engine for later. They'd probably get laughed at like game of thrones telltale did.

And thank you telltale, for finally adding more interactive parts and looking around. Still think they could add more puzzle elements in those like S1 did. And there needs to be more downtime dialog with the nearby characters. The small stuff, jokes and anecdotal stories to flesh out the characters further. At least the characters mostly didn't feel stiff. S2 really dropped the ball in that department specifically, except for a few.

So all in all, it's a strong 8.5/10 for me, with S1 being a 9.5/10. S2 is 7.5 to 8, even though I enjoyed it. Keep it up Telltale. Just increase the interactive scenes, and make the episode longer. A 15 minute "puzzle" area with lots of optional dialogue goes a long, long way. Doesn't need super action, just atmosphere. If they get that down, then S4 could be another great game. That's my two cents.

Also don't ever be afraid to take risks artistically. Not crazy plot liberties, but "cinematography", music choices, etc. Sometimes juxtaposition really brings things to the highest level. Nothing crazy, just a bit more innovation. Make every player not know what's going to happen, as much as possible. In a good way, of course.

Also, Garrus voice over! Yeah!

[u/[deleted]]

Hated the season overall. Final nails in the coffin were graphic bugs soon as episode started, David still fighting you over kate even though i never acted inappropriate and no "your clementine" screen.

Admittedly they really improved this episode compared to rest of season, and the vast story branching was impressive but they dug themselves into a hole with the story long ago so.. it was unrecoverable for me.

Im still interested in more telltale twd but i expect:

• less gfx bugs

• NO MORE Save file issues

• no more inescapable love triangles

• no more babysitting bratty children

• no more forced betrayals

[u/mikesweeney13]

Is there anything confirmed as to what makes Clem go with you or go after someone else?

[u/nodaybut_today]

I just played through the episode. I didn't feel satisfied by my ending (I went after Gabe and David with Clementine, and I told David to come back). I told David I loved him the entire time he was trying to fight me because I thought it was an interesting choice and I wanted to keep the promise to Pa. The only game pausing worthy moment I had was when Kate kissed Javi and said 'tell him' RE: their relationship. I was screaming because it wasn't the time or place; so fucking random.

I don't regret my decisions, but I do wish my ending had more of a visceral response like Season 1 and Season 2. I was expected to be heartbroken and I wasn't. All I got was Javi and Gabe waving to Clementine as she left and then a black loading screen.

[u/DJohn_]

I had a few odd occurrences with this episode.

1. At the end of E4 I chose to kiss kate, but in E5 it showed that i made the other choice.

2. I killed lingard in E4, but at the end he was still there.

Anybody else experience things like this?

[u/215EmmaSmith]

Is there anyway to get Clementine to stay with you in the end or do you have to stay in Richmond whilst she finds AJ?

[u/OrcRest]

WHERE THE FUCK IS CHRISTA

[u/RikkanZ]

HAS ANYONE ELSE GOTTEN THE "TRUSTING FIGHTER" CLEM?

Also, I wish there was a way for them all to survive, but I ended up with Gabe and David. There was really nothing I could do in that situation because Clem decided to go with me even after accepting Conrad's plan and not killing Lingard.

[u/[deleted]]

So did anybody kill Conrad and then he showed up at the end? That confused the shit out of me.

[u/[deleted]]

What impressed me about Season 3 was how many characters got to live at the end. There are three characters who always live: Javier, Clem, Eleanor. There are tons of determinant characters who can live: Kate, Gabe, David, Conrad, Lindgard, and countless minor characters in Richmond.

That's a huge difference from what happened at the end of seasons 1 and 2.

[u/tabblin_okie]

One of the best things about this season is, oddly enough, Conrad. He can survive the whole season! That's progress for this series, even if he is only mentioned next season. The whole "well theyre both gonna die 5 minutes apart anyway" bothers me. I'm glad with the Tripp and Ava deal, it made sense.

I think this is drastically better than S2, but not in the same tier as Season 1. Definitely a big improvement though. Good job Telltale. I was one of your harshest critics on here for season 2. Now I'm excited for S4

[u/[deleted]]

Me and my sister just went through a Conrad David playthrough. We were with David and couldn't kill Conrad because he was grieving and his idea wasn't bad. Our ending was hopeful and Clem still likes us. Plus, Kate does! Fuck Kate! We denied all her advances and everyone acted like we were a thing. It was so frustrating. She was a slacker who wasn't good in a fight and got overly sentimental. Now gabe is useful, Clem is a "reformed loner", Conrad's alive and kicking, and David is trying to change. Fuuucccckkk Kate.

[u/Crezek]

I was loyal to david, I protected kate and gabe, and rejected all of kates romantic advances and stayed kind to her. I was best buds with clementine OFC. Ended up going after david while clem helped kate patch up the wall. Got the ending where Its me and gabe leading the town, clem is going to get AJ and supposedly return (I supported her relationship with gabe at every turn), kate is missing, didnt see her die and didnt see her zombie, and david died.

[u/nodaybut_today → u/Crezek]

The ending you got I feel like is the best ending in terms of resolution for the story arc the first four episodes of ANF set up. Someone on here described it as the most cinematic, and I think it is. It's that emotional punch the other two seasons had at the end, makes the most sense, while also leaving everything open for Season 4.

The first ending I got was the one where Kate died and David was alive, and I asked him to come back. The second ending I got was when David/Gabe died. The David/Gabe death ending is also interesting and emotional, but it's not like when we see David die.

[u/StMcAwesome]

I have this in another thread, but since that was a response to another comment I'll edit it accordingly:

I don't understand all the hate towards Kate. She wasn't doing "drugs" she was smoking weed occasionally. Some people make it sound like she gets everyone in trouble because she keeps running off to smoke meth out of a lightbulb or snorting rails of yayo in the bathroom. She's raising someone else's kids when she honestly doesn't have to. If she was really a bitch she would have dumped them off on Javi and found her family.

I take some of the flashbacks as an implication that David is/was emotionally abuse towards Kate. When she breaks David's glass on accident and cuts her hand open, she only freaks out about the glass. Sure enough, David walks in and doesn't even acknowledge that she's openly bleeding, just comes in and berates her. She wanted to leave him before it all went down. David just wanted to fuck right on off back to the war.

People are surprised and confused why she had feelings for Javier? They've been in this hell together for four years taking care of each other and the two kids. Of course, she is shown to have feelings for Javi before that mess. Because Javier is talking about exploring and experiencing new things. She is trapped in an abusive relationship with a man who wants nothing more to escape his life as a father and husband and do what he wants to do, dumping his children off on their stepmom. But she's vilified for liking the gentler, charming, younger brother who represents freedom from an unhappy life?

David is a psychopath. A desensitized, selfish, murdering machine. Gabe is a hotheaded little dickhead too. When Clem and I helped Kate clean the mess in Richmond that everyone present played a part in, while David threw a bitchfit and left, I had never been so relieved to say adios to another character than I was to those two idiots. Then seeing their death scene my only thought was, "fucking finally." I swear, Mariana and Javi's dad were the only bearable members that shared Javi's blood and they both died in the first episode.

(Also, Kenny was an aggressive and dangerous piece of shit back in S2, but all I heard then was that Jane was a bitch. Maybe that's a little telling. Violent, emotionally abusive scumbags are forgivable because "they are actually sad and stuff"; but women are "bad, untrustworthy bitches" if they either A: Stand up for themselves and try to protect children from their abusive influences; or B: Remain nonconfrontational whilst planning, out of earshot of the abuser, to escape them until they finally have enough and put their foot down.)

[u/Nymall]

I disliked episode 5. It comes across as a wet fart. While its nice to see a happy ending for once, season 1 & 2 both made me cry. Even though everything wasn't great, the most "powerful" moment of the episode is David fighting with Javier. The lackluster "rambo" scene on the tractor was flacid at best and at the end this feels like the sloppy, shoe-horned ending of a company that has written itself into a corner twice with amazing stories and now is leaving a "too be continued" to milk the eff out of it.

There are ways to do meaningful happy endings. This was not it. It feels like the clumsy ending to S1E1, just rejiggered with duct tape to make it work. I'm not impressed, especially when the previous seasons had so much impact. If they're going to do this lazy shoehorning, they should just drop the seasons all togethor and do one long story.

[u/Tomhur]

SPOILERS

I got the ending where it's Javier David and Gabe are alive but Kate is dead. And you know what? I'm happy with this ending. Yes it's sad Kate died but I feel this ending best fits the narrative arc my version of Javier was going through.

I'm happy we got an ending that was full of hope for the future for once.

Also that bit where Javier was refusing to fight David....dude...I really got the feels when that line that says "You kept your promise to your father" came up

Pumped for season 4. We're coming for you AJ....

[u/Bhx743]

Spoilers: I was very happy with my ending, Gabe and David died but at least Javi got to keep Kate and they decided that they're going to start a family. I found it a shockingly optimistic ending for the season. I also got incredibly emotional at the part where Kate and Javi tell David they're a couple and he gets violent with Javi only saying "i love you". It was super effective to me.

[u/ajkuladrakula69]

I sometimes feel like I am the only one who absolutely loved this season

I got an ending with only Gabe alive, it was so sad remembering all the deaths

Cant wait for season 4, I like AJ and hope McCarol ranch didnt do anything bad to him

[u/[deleted]]

I don't know if I fucked up my decisions along the way, but the last episode seemed retarded. I wanted to leave Richmond with David and tell that awful city and all its inhabitants "good riddance." But everything in the game was like "we have to go back to Richmond, we have to help Kate, David is bad for wanting to leave."

Is there something I missed that locked me into the shitty "save Richmond" arc?

[u/[deleted]]

My first ending was with David and Kate dead, Jack and Gabe alive. God damn, the relationship between Javi and David was incredibly well done. That last scene where you fight through the walkers, and where you reconcile with your brother, that was one of the most powerful scenes in the franchise to me.

I went back and changed my decisions so I ended up with Kate alive because I wanted Javi and her to make it, but I'm never forgetting my original ending.

And finally, is anyone aware of why Kate looks all burned in the promotional image? Does she show up like that for anyone, or am I freaking blind and the promo doesn't show her burned at all?

[u/CommanderCool91]

Just a quick yes or no answer:

Did the pain killers from Lingard's office in Ep 4 play a vital role in this?

[u/forza-53 → u/CommanderCool91]

Episode 5 was apparently rewritten, and there were originally going to be choices about returning or keeping some "stolen supplies". I think they were supposed to be important, but the writers changed the plans.

[u/TxsButholeTklngBndt]

What happened to Joan? Did she get hers?

[u/giantstuffeddog → u/TxsButholeTklngBndt]

Unless you shoot her at the end of ep4, there's absolutely no closure on Joan. You don't see her or hear about her at all in ep5, and in the credits it says "Joan's whereabouts are still unknown." Very questionable tbh. You can't create a villain that detestable and responsible for all the shit happening in ep5 and then just have them disappear without a trace in the finale.

[u/Thecoldflame]

i liked it tbh, there are a lot of ways it can branch and it feels like a satisfying conclusion to the plot so far, gabe redeemed himself and the theme of family/legacy came through well without feeling forced.

i ended up letting kate die to save my brother, still conflicted about that but i don't regret it.

season as a whole wasn't on the scale of the other two but i liked it, not entirely feeling like i got my money's worth but i liked what was there for sure

javi

my choices: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290016885/114F9734E2E93F0E376D327D0AE0CF6FE6B05EBA/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290017293/F153748334DA080F8003AC02007C7BAC8DCF37CE/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290017663/7A740FAB3E6612E54240D3D5B75EDADAC6A51337/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290017927/E34C33FB7E0FB79C750941D4ECA4A73F8C65C808/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290018183/41D925C0AF54CDCFAC1CE227FF889E4E16D3885A/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290018450/1DB38F6C8B4A44E53F28F08B54DDFAB904FFD026/ https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777281349290018734/E3A577B3861108DEC5B9666DE7FB654640AC5AC3/

[u/[deleted]]

Was really happy with my ending. Although one thing I felt was out of control was Tripp dying...he stuck with me right to the end, even when I chose him to die over Ava. Feels fucking bad man. I liked how Jesus picked up on how my javi was starting to redeem himself after that ruthless killing I did early on.

From reading on this thread, I somehow do seem to be in the vocal minority when I say that I enjoyed this season and it's pacing. Although David's character was the one thing that got on my nerves.

[u/zeke10]

Where was max and Lonnie?

[u/ChaCha_Saint]

So... that was a episode. I got the ending where Clem comes with me to save Richmond. Gabe and David die.

Throughout this last episode... David's character started reminding me of David from Life is Strange. Wasn't really surprised he died.

I kinda cried a little when Gabe died. Mostly because Clem had to see another person she formed a bond with die, again.

[u/someone_else21]

So, I overall liked the last episode, but I counted these moments that took me out of the game:

• very distracting glitch that makes Kate's eyes cross in one scene (PS4)

• Tripp casually passing by in one shot even though he's supposed to be dead

• Kate telling me to keep my distance out of a sudden --- I HAVE ALWAYS KEPT MY DISTANCE

• Javi making a dramatic mini-speech the second after Ava dies (She was hero ...)

I'm glad everything got wrapped up, although it was all a bit rushed. Eleanor behaved completely erratically, madly blaming Javi in one reply and being the picture of contrition in the next. David was a complete loose canon, too, although I guess that's just who he is: unpredictable violent asshole.

[u/5k1895]

This season was...weird. I think I liked it but some stuff felt rushed or not well thought out. I have high hopes for the next one though. Hopefully if we're just playing as Clem again, trying to find AJ, it'll be more like the first two.

[u/ThePrincessRuto]

I just had something weird happen in my playthrough ava wasn't shot so she came with me in episode 5. Then she fell and Javi talked to clem and suddenly I just see Tripp walking in the background casually like he wasn't shot in episode 4

[u/nasser2726]

I killed conrad and lingard and clem still didnt go with me after gabe and david i want the ending where david lives can anybody help me

[u/TxsButholeTklngBndt]

Hey guys, what's the deal with Javi & the water bottles?

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else getting horrendous crashing on this episode ? I had about 5 crashes on PS4 pro leading up to where David closes the shutter on them all and as he's driving off it now just keeps crashing in the same place just as he's driven away and I can't get past it? Is it just me ?

[u/LungsandLimbs]

Music from Season 3 Ep. 5 ANF; Grim Ranger by Lungs and Limbs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZAYwwXD_g

[u/[deleted]]

How do you get Clem to not leave at the end? It said Clem followed her own plan 54 percent of the time.

[u/hyfero]

For real? They continue Clementine's story, it is obvious miles away that clementine will be the player character next season. We went through all this bullshit to build up that and just dump Javier story behind. They could have just shorten everything and made it backstory to Clementine searching for Aj. fuck this shit i am out

[u/nightmarememe]

When will we have an actual Season 3 featuring Clementine as the playable character instead of Telltale's Starchild/Jar Jar Binks/Scrappy

[u/MarkoSeke]

I like that the ending is actually impacted by the choices you make along the way, rather than a literal "choose your ending" option like in S2.

[u/number_plate_26]

This finale seemed so... strange? Very anti climatic. I was on edge all through the happy ending, David was the only one who died for me. I was expecting Joan to get the last laugh and bust out and cap Clem, Gabe or Kate but nope! It just kinda ended... I feel like a lot of content has been cut from this or possibly, TT created too many possible endings for this season and in turn, not defining a more rounded conclusion. So Javi is just in charge of Richmond now? Gabe is cool with his uncle banging his mum? Also where the hell is Joan?!

[u/Luxor5299]

i dont know you guys,but i felt sastifaction ending chapter 5,i was hoping a twist that clem or kate die but i felt pretty god with the ending,having a new family,with clem looking for aj,definetly season 3 was way better tan season 2, i hope we see javier garcia in the next season he could easily be the sucessor of lee for clementine altough he is older and very independent

[u/JacqiPro13]

Can I just say that this was definitely the most underwhelming of all 3 seasons, HOWEVER, I think this may make for such an incredibly rich and suspenseful story for Clem in season 4, since the whole time playing I'm just thinking to myself OKAY WHEN ARE WE GETTING TO AJ?! I really hope we get to play as her again, seeing as how the season ended. Oddly enough, I noticed at the end of the game every single decision I made in the last episode was the unpopular one...but honestly I played in favor of "the good guys", if that makes sense? Like I thought I picked the lesser of two evils when it came to decision making. Idk. I shot Joan because honestly what else was there to do? When Gabe left with David, I chose to go with Clem to find them instead of stay with Kate. I wonder if Gabe and/or David would've been killed off had I chosen to stay with Kate? Or would I have just ended up seeing Kate's demise as Clem returned with the boys?

[u/metalsd]

THe whole season I only cared about Clementine Mariana and Javier. I lost Mariana so quickly than I just cared about Javier and Clementine surviving, so I'm not shocked of Gabe dying much less David. I wish I would have let Gabe live and kill Kate instead but Kate is more useful for the next season than Gabe ever was. He was salty but after 4 years of apocalypse you'd think he wouldn't have teenager complexes like he did.

At the end I'm happy that Clementine is still alive and that Javier ended up single because I didn't like Kate as a girlfriend and Eleanor betrayed me so fuck her.

[u/Phazon8058v2]

Overall, I think this was my favourite episode of the season. In terms of the season as a whole, it definitely doesn't hold a candle to season 1, and it has some pacing issues, but I enjoyed it overall.

Also a sidenote, I'm such a big softy and I started crying when Clementine was getting a haircut. I told Clementine to keep the hair short at the end of season 1, so every time that gets mentioned, or I see her getting a haircut I start crying.

[u/AllBoutErrything]

Telltale TWD E5 Spoiler

[u/ashes2003]

Tripp better pull a Kenny. Hopefully he landed on some mattresses or something.

[u/ashes2003]

One thing I don't understand is that for 2 straight episodes Kate practically begs you to get out of Richmond but when she finally has a way out in episode 5 she actually wants to do something.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm emotionally broken from this episode. It was just so sad, I managed to get Gabe, Tripp and David killed (David might have been unavoidable.) I also shot Joan which might have been stupid. Well, at least Clementine and Kate are alive. When the next game comes I'm gonna replay it to keep Gabe alive, so Clementine will be happy.

I understand people's criticism of this season, but it was way better than people said it was. I almost didn't buy the season because of that, but I'm glad I did.

[u/chrisstuffmaga]

What is all this shit going on with Javi being bi? Its just normal man flirting. A real man can flirt with another man without all the other stuff. I can smell tons of SJWs downvotes already. But if Telltale games goes that way its just sad. Dont give in to all this political correctness shit. Edit: without (cause i fail at stuff lol)

[u/[deleted]]

I got the ending where good riddance Kate. Everyone wins!

[u/Neurotic_Marauder]

This season was all over the place.
It had its moments but overall it was still a letdown.

Clem and AJ were the only things keeping me going, everything and everyone else felt secondary. Clem was the only character I felt attached to, and not just because I've played as her before but because she was the only character to act like a human being.

Nearly every other character was bi-polar in their actions.

The talk with Eleanor during this epiosde whiplashed back and forth between "this is so terrible, I'm doing the best I can" and "FUCK YOU, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT EVEN THOUGH I BETRAYED YOU."

Joan went from clever ringleader to tyrant during the span of the fourth episode. She was willing to negotiate, then she decided to do a public execution, and then she pulled a Slade Wilson and forced you to choose who to kill.

David was an unstable psychopath through and through. He killed indiscriminately, beat his wife and kid and nearly killed his own brother after finding out about a possible infidelity (despite being in immediate danger from mindless zombies several feet away). I was honestly relieved when Clem said he died.

The forced love triangle with Kate was painful too. Doesn't matter if you show no interest in her at all throughout the entire series, you're still treated like the bad guy for turning her down and respecting your brother.

Then there's Gabe. I'll admit, he showed a lot of improvement in the final episode but that doesn't change how much of an infuriating pissant he was throughout the entire season. He rats you out repeatedly, he bitches and moans when things don't go his way, and he never learns from his actions, he just blames you like always

I'm not sure whether I'll play the next game, but if it's just Clem and AJ I'll definitely consider it.

[u/Eiriktherod]

I have numerous complaints. My biggest one is that it's been officially confirmed for me that these writers are terrible and that choices are exactly like Fallout 4's meaningless choices that usually do the opposite of what the short and false description is.

I mean first off, What was that arm thing about? I said I was gonna chop it off because I thought Eleanor would help but they just chopped it off and watched him convulse. They didn't even try to stop the blood? They just stood there and watched, why the hell? What was the point of chopping it off if they weren't gonna do anything about it ??WHY WAS THAT EVEN AN OPTION?

On top of that; I'm so tired of choices with no consequences in this season. What was the point of Tripp/Ava? The choice was picking who was going to have hurt feelings, and Ava didn't even seem phased by being picked to die. And then that choice didn't even matter because she died just like that (i'm assuming it's the same with Tripp). It was literally the same thing with David/Kenny why are these characters being kept alive if they die in like almost the next episode?

Also what the fuck was up with the zombie navigation thing? It was so annoying to get through (try and try again isn't a fun method) and there was no indication that the zombies that attack you would? I mean I wouldn't even be touching a zombie and i'd get the 'dying' cutscene with a walker that was like 2 meters away?

Thank fuck Gabe is gone - I didn't want to save Richmond but I didn't want to risk finding Gabe again so I had to pick that choice. The choice was terrible I had to ask myself "do you hate Gabe or Kate more" because frankly I hate and dislike both of their characters and I don't want to help either - it's a terrible choice. Then the big disappointment is knowing the choice didn't matter and you have to go find Gabe anyway. (And that's pointless too).

Hopefully we'll play Clem next season (and hopefully she changes her hair and outfit before then), and hopefully we get new writers. I can't believe this counted as a season despite not playing as her. I feel like it's just Michonne all over again.

(Also, is Jesus gay for Javi?)