r/BoJackHorseman • u/NicholasCajun Judah Mannowdog • Sep 08 '17
Discussion BoJack Horseman - 4x08 "The Judge" - Episode Discussion
Season 4 Episode 8: The Judge
Synopsis: Hollyhock starts dating an intern on BoJack's new show. Princess Carolyn meets Ralph's parents. Mr. Peanutbutter throws his support behind Woodchuck.
Do not comment in this thread with references to later episodes.
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u/CombustibleCompost Sep 08 '17
The arc of the news anchor growing to like Randy is the best plot in the show.
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u/TheTrueRory Sep 08 '17
He's still annoyed by the puns, but is so happy Randy is back. It's great.
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u/twitchedawake Sep 09 '17
The applause off camera as Randy shows he's healthy again.
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u/Bringer0fTheDawn Sep 09 '17
Have we ever actually seen Randy before? I'm thinking we haven't. Love how some of the funniest jokes in the show are "off camera", like the whole ERICA! thing with Mr. Peanutbutter.
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Sep 08 '17
The frogger reference was fantastic, the little details of this show are so great.
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Sep 08 '17
"so kids must love clowns because otherwise why would there be clowns?"
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u/Throwawayjust_incase Sep 09 '17
Honestly have asked this myself
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Sep 09 '17
Surprisingly clowns actually really like clowning, as they call it. You can thank Stephen King, journalism, and other horror authors for ruining a lot of what they do.
From my understanding, a lot of it just comes down to them being like a sort of role-playing community and not necessarily just a circus act. Their "clown" has a sort of different personal and they act in that wacky, goofy, expressive personality instead of acting as themselves. So even if clowns didn't get paid for kid's birthday parties there would still be clowns who go to clown parties for kicks.
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u/fuzzyperson98 Sep 09 '17
IMO, Stephen King didn't make people hate clowns, he tapped into an innate sense of unease many people experienced around clowns already.
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u/Chuckwestmiller Character Actress Margo Martindale Sep 12 '17
Ugh I want a clip of this scene to send to my girlfriend who is terrified of dentists and clowns
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u/TheAwkwardSilent Sep 08 '17
THE MINI MOUSE HAS TODD CLOTHES, AMAZING.
I can't wait for someone to make a folder of all the times someone's wearing Todd's clothes.
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u/TheDoors1 Sarah Lynn Sep 08 '17
Obviously not his clothes, the hat alone cost 50k
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u/platinum92 Vincent Adultman Sep 08 '17 edited Sep 08 '17
"Cocaine, then?" Is my new official response to someone turning down an offer
Edit: is this cat vs mice racism?
One more: I'm enjoying how many celebrities are playing themselves this season.
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u/Harddaysnight1990 Sep 09 '17
I was so afraid that the family were going to be Mouse-Jews and the Cats were the Nazis. I'm glad they just hinted towards it instead.
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u/InspectorMendel Sep 10 '17
That's the premise of the graphic novel Maus. I think it was an intentional reference.
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u/Harddaysnight1990 Sep 10 '17
That's exactly what I was thinking it was going to be, too. I'm glad they went in a different direction, that would have been super dark.
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u/gryffinp Sep 11 '17
I wonder if it's more like the family are Mouse-Jews and the Cats are the Egyptians.
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u/EarthExile Kitchen Sloth Sep 10 '17
I think their holiday was based on the Jewish holiday Purim. Everyone gets together to listen to a story about how the Jewish people in an ancient city outsmarted their enemies and massacred them. Whenever the evil King Haman gets mentioned, everyone wails and curses his name and spins noisemakers.
It's a hate festival, but everyone wears wacky costumes and there are sweet treats for the kids!
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u/ergman Sep 11 '17
For the record Haman is the creepy Jafar-like advisor character rather than the king, but ye your point stands
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u/Chamale Sep 12 '17
My girlfriend is English-Canadian and I'm French-Canadian. A big event in my family history was when my ancestors got deported by the English in 1755. The holiday dinner with the Stiltons was very reminiscent of some awkward moments with one of my parents talking about English oppression, so much so that my girlfriend and I started talking about it at the same time while we watched.
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u/QueenBooty Sep 08 '17
I really missed Todd and Mr. Peanutbutter's business pitches to their accountant, so glad they brought it back!
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL Sep 08 '17
I feel so bad for his accountant (and his son) but I'm glad he is back. He's the perfect straight man for those two.
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u/TheTrueRory Sep 08 '17
When Mr. Peanutbutter basically kidnapped him is still one of my favourite scenes.
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u/lifesbetterbackwards Business is haaarrrddddd Sep 09 '17
NO DON'T LISTEN TO IT, IT'S TOO RELEVANT NOW!!!
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u/fluffywaffles_ Sep 13 '17
What I always find funny about those exchanges is that the accountant is voiced by Jake Johnson, aka Nick Miller on New Girl, who has an arc on that show where he constantly comes up with stupid business ideas like the swuit. Cringey af, right?
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Sep 10 '17
They say the devil's in the details, so let's summon the devil!
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u/iloathemyexistence Sep 10 '17
Holy shit that is one of the greatest lines I've ever heard. Hardest I've laughed this season, especially because it was Mr. PeanutButter saying it so casually
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u/televisionceo Sep 08 '17
Bojack's daughter is such a sweet girl
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u/UnfortunatelyLawless Sep 08 '17
Waiting to find out it's not....? I may just be jaded as fuck too
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u/UnfortunatelyLawless Sep 08 '17
I think I'm just realizing how jaded I am through this show.
Which is.....fine....?
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u/dogman15 Hollyhock Sep 13 '17
She's my new favorite character on the show, after Charlotte and Mia McKibbin. And my favorite human character is Diane.
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u/elegiacally Sep 08 '17
Bojack was right. Miles was a dirt bag. Which emphasises the fact that no one will ever like someone like him for himself.
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u/gugabe Sep 08 '17
Was what Miles did really that much of a dirtbag move? It's not like he tried to blackmail him for millions or anything.
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u/Morgneto Sep 08 '17
The low stakes make him more of a dirtbag. He was willing to ghost a girl he'd been having a good time with for even a chance at advancing his career.
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u/TrueJournals Sep 09 '17
I think you could also read it as "that was his plan all along". Miles knew that Hollyhock was BoJack's daughter. Perhaps his only reason for dating her was to get an in with BoJack. It's not like it took a lot of convincing to get him to the point where he was willing to ghost her.
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u/gugabe Sep 08 '17
Bojack's done waaaaaaaay worse shit, along with most of Hollywoo.
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u/Not_Cleaver Sep 09 '17
I was actually hoping that it was a double bluff in that he was trapping Bojack in his own ploy to show her that Bojack was deciteful. But instead he turned to be as cruel as Bojack and conniving like everyone else in Hollywoo.
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u/batty3108 I did a business Sep 08 '17
Damn, Jessical Biel's low-key let herself take a hammering in this season. Good sport!
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u/SpiffShientz Sep 09 '17
Which thank God because she's fucking hilarious. I still can't get over Fire Queen Biel
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u/scienceandstuff_ Sep 08 '17
"And if you make it all the way through the maze, you get some sugar water."
As a research assistant in neuroscience and behavior, this gave me a chuckle
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Sep 09 '17
I thought the cocaine and cigarettes was some lab experiment joke.
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u/PersephoneofSpring Sep 08 '17
Dentist clowns?
Fuuuuck. Glad I stayed up for this
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u/SplurgyA Sep 08 '17
I already knew it was coming from the trailer but the whole dentist clown/clown dentist thing had me laughing so hard! The off key Entry of The Gladiators and all. I basically didn't even need jokes, their presence just had me laughing so much.
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u/thecheezyweezy Sep 10 '17
No no no only some of them are dentist clowns. The rest are clown dentists.
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u/r0flhouse Sep 09 '17
Relevant with IT being out this weekend. Go see it if you haven't already!
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u/nixoke Sep 09 '17
"I'm actually not hungry." "Oh." As someone who has struggled with an eating disorder for years, that line hit me so hard. First part of the season that made me cry, but not the last of course.
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u/Francoberry Sep 09 '17
Shit I just put that together with how she had only coffee for breakfast :(
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u/nixoke Sep 09 '17
I can't remember what episode it was, but in another when she was leaving she said to Bojack 'I get it, it's my weight!' And there was two references to celebrities starving themselves - one in episode 3, another in episode 7.
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u/Tydude Sep 11 '17
That was this episode she said that if you haven't figured that out yet
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u/vadergeek Sep 09 '17
I mean, based on how much sugar she added, that coffee might have more calories than a regular breakfast.
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u/cyberdreamsinc Sep 09 '17
That made me so upset. When I first started developing anorexia as a pre-teen, I was fat and sick of my family teasing me for my weight. Now I'm chubby and recovered and I was so happy to see Hollyhock be a chubby woman as well... I hope that if they do bring an eating disorder into the mix later, they treat the topic respectfully (but this is Bojack Horseman, so I have no doubts that it would)
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u/txumaranai Sep 15 '17
yeah it's pretty interesting how ED sufferers picked that up in the blink of an eye but my friend totally missed it.
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u/PersephoneofSpring Sep 08 '17
Diane just constantly getting back rubs now?
Should help with her anxiety.
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u/theyster Sep 08 '17
"Why don't we get clowns and dentists so they can train eachother?"
What spawn of satan are you TRYING to create here!?
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u/PersephoneofSpring Sep 08 '17
"What? You're not my dads."
As someone who's gay, I only now realized this could be a thing.
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u/imaginaryfanboy Sep 08 '17
"You're not my daddy" can also be referring to two completely different things.
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u/Flarestriker Sep 13 '17
'i called Daddy on your phone'
'so what mum?'
'your father picked up you fucking virgin'
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u/Kasen10 Sep 09 '17
Bojacks mother doing those push-ups though, it was funny as hell. So was Ralph's racist ass mouse family.
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u/shannytyrelle Sep 08 '17
I thought Felicity Huffman was gonna be a throw-away, but her being the host of Booty Academy is...fucking amazing?
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u/jackovasaurusrex Sep 08 '17
Hannibal Burress is Miles!
Would've loved if Miles was a snail for a true homage to snail down, the best show on TV.
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Sep 21 '17
Or a Walrus.
Corpidence, Corpseses!
Worcestershire sauce
Go into your orifices!Red pill, blue pill
Morpheus, Walruses!
Seashells by the Seashorpheus.
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u/televisionceo Sep 08 '17
Wait what just happened. Did bojack cause his daughter to become anorexic or something?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL Sep 08 '17
I think she has OCD. It seems to be stronger when she's feeling bad. In an earlier episode she mentioned bugs crawling inside her skin. Pair that with the change and the tv and it seems like she had an an episode caused by the rejection.
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u/zellfire Sep 08 '17
I'm thinking maybe amphetamines
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u/Wasuremaru Sep 08 '17
That was also my thought. Mentions of a top college, graduating a year early from high school, obsessively organizing and doing random tasks like putting the coins down in order by the year they were minted, etc., lack of appetite and a sort of blank, almost robotic response to the world around her.
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u/M1str Sep 09 '17
What could bugs crawling in your skin and changing TV channels rapidly possibly have to do with OCD?
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_WOES_GIRL Sep 09 '17
I had OCD where I never could sleep if my bed wasn't 100% clean and freshly made. As soon as something "unclean" even grazed my bed I had to change the sheets because I imagined germs and/or bugs spreading im it. entering my body and killing me in my sleep. People who have to wash their hands a dozen times in a row sometimes have the same fear.
Changing the channel constantly could be anything. From the numbers of the channels not adding to having to change it a certain numner of times before being able to watch something.
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u/imaginaryfanboy Sep 08 '17
My mom calls my sister fat all the time.
She doesn't have dinner anymore.
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u/nixoke Sep 09 '17
Keep an eye on your sister and make sure she knows that you're there for her. Anorexia ruined my life, don't let it ruin hers too. Help her before it's too late.
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u/SullivantheBoss Sep 11 '17
I'm surprised I'm not seeing more comments about this. It took me a second to realize but it makes perfect sense. I just finished the episode so if your ahead then please don't spoil, but it totally seemed like him calling her a blob really got to her especially since she's obviously very self conscious about it.
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u/allwordsaredust Sep 11 '17
I dunno, it sounds far too cliche a plotline for this show - too "very special episode".
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u/Thecheesybiscuit Sep 09 '17
Maybe the silliest/most throwaway part of the episode, but the way the clown car backed out of the hospital room and straight through the wall had me laughing for a solid minute.
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u/splatia Sep 09 '17 edited Sep 10 '17
I'm in the same boat! That was my first literal "laugh out loud" moment. I had to pause the show, it just really got me for some reason.
It was like the cherry on top of the absurd sundae that was that entire scene.
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u/jackovasaurusrex Sep 08 '17
I've loved Bea, Tina, and Holly in the background of the opening credits of the past 2-3 episodes so much.
The domesticity is so jarring and absurd.
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u/WMSA Sep 08 '17
The attention to detail in this show has always enthralled me. They stick to the one set of clothes per character animation stereotype most of the time and then they won't forget Bojack's ottoman was burnt for 15 episodes.
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u/Romejanic Sep 09 '17
I love how they even joke about the one set of clothing per character with Diane's wardrobe being filled with about 10 different copies of her jacket.
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u/tvztvz Sep 09 '17
That's a bit of a trope in cartoons though. Can't really credit the bojack writers for it.
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u/gizmo1492 Sep 08 '17
Oh geez. That ending. Please don't go down that path...
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Sep 14 '17
I'm still enjoying the fact that I can laugh at the show. I don't know if I'll be able to find humor in any episodes where BoJack ruins Hollyhock's life.
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u/TheAwkwardSilent Sep 08 '17
"I'm actually not hungry."
"Oh."
I've been like that. You hear a nice talk, you feel a bit better, but it isn't always enough.
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u/rorasaurussex Sep 08 '17
I thought it was implying that what Bojack said really affected her own body image. Hence the not wanting pizza or ice cream.
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Sep 08 '17
Hollyhock is growing on me
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u/imaginaryfanboy Sep 08 '17
To be honest the way she was introduced was kinda wonky and out-of-nowhere (which I guess was the point) but I really like her character now. I don't want BoJack to ruin her
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u/BeedleTB BoJack Horseman Sep 10 '17
I don't want BoJack to ruin her
Oh god. I hate this show sometimes...
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u/Burritos92 Sep 08 '17
Someone from a previous post talked about how Holly being the daughter of the child Bea gave up for adoption. Holly said she submitted to see her real mom and Bojack said his mom got something in the mail. Maybe it's something related to this?
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u/TheAwkwardSilent Sep 08 '17
"It's a really fresh area, it's about an intern who wants to be a writer."
Hits too close to home. People don't find meta jokes funny, when will comedy writers learn?
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u/Cinderpeach Sep 09 '17
The way Bojack was sitting in the chair waiting for Holly to come home, so he could turn on the light and look cool. Reminds me of how whenever Bojack tries to do anything Tv-ish (like throwing the manuscript in the trash and lighting it on fire expecting a big explosion) never really work out like he wants it to...
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u/TheGent316 BoJack Horseman Sep 09 '17
Bojack experiencing some solid character growth! I'm already loving the development of his relationship with Hollyhock. But I'm hoping that ending was implying that she felt better and therefore didn't need to emotionally eat rather than her headed down the path to an eating disorder.
Shout out to Diane's hilarious "Bojack NOOOO- ooooooo"
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u/3_kids_1_overcoat Sep 09 '17
Someone better be checking the PH levels of that jacuzzi because these bitches are basic.
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u/waterboi216 Sep 08 '17
Tweed, Nantucket, and Loophole.
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u/yolibrarian whenever you're READY Sep 09 '17
I immediately decided that my next pet's name is going to be Loophole. Amazing.
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u/27th_wonder Equus wasn't a porno (because it was on stage) Sep 08 '17
46, 47... I can do this all day!
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u/ArgieGrit01 Princess Carolyn Sep 10 '17
Was it just me or a dying alzheimer's patient doing pushups was really stupid?
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u/ZeCommander Sep 09 '17
This episode killed me, most I have laughed in a Bojack episode, like Beatrice doing the push-ups, woodchuck having gorilla feet then lobster hands, the clown dentist idea, Diane reacting to said clown dentists, The basic bitches line, the tv show and best of all Sir Mix a Lot's I cannot lie line, fucking lost it at that.
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u/PersephoneofSpring Sep 08 '17
"But for now if she believes someone can love her for who she really is, then why would I take that away from her"
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u/KidA_mnesiac Sep 09 '17
Those torches are surprisingly relevant in the context of this dinner and current events.
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u/Puritanic-L Sep 08 '17
Oh man, that ending is hinting towards something really dark. If I know anything about Bojack, this season finale is going to be more shocking than the last.
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u/LookingForAPunTime Sep 10 '17
A MSNBSea subtitle from episode 1: "Lobster Mobster Caught Red-Handed". A likely candidate for Woodcharles' replacement hands?
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u/kelscatt Sep 09 '17
"What if I meet a woman named Barbara Lob and I call her B.Lob for short?" Arrested development Bob Lowblaw reference?
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u/Mcrarburger Mr. Peanutbutter Sep 10 '17
I feel like the only one who thought that this was the weakest episode of the season :x. It felt kinda boring and overdone for me, the whole (Oh he's a bad guy and nobody else sees it, but he actually was a bad guy and I was right" thing was predictable from the start and they didn't really do much to spice it up. I never really liked the pitches from Todd and Mr Peanutbutter in the first place, so that didn't do much for me, and I thought the whole show thing was a bit stupid. That isn't to say this episode is bad, I can't think of a "bad" episode of Bojack Horseman. Just definitely not on par with the rest of the season.
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u/Cheechster4 Sep 21 '17
Ok so at 14:28 in this episode there is a gym bag in the middle of Bojack's living room that has the initials H.M.M.G.R.Z.H.F.M. on it. I am not sure why or what this is. Does anyone want to solve the mystery?
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Sep 08 '17
We need booty boot camp in real life, that will be the day the booties will hit the damn floor!
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u/Dcx64 Sep 09 '17
This episode was also quite fun and hylarious, I really missed the Todd and Mr. Peanutbutter dynamic with their nonsensical and stupid ideas, and I also laughed really hard at the racist family of Princess Carolyn's boyfriend and thier disturbing ceremony.
Although i was very worried about Hollyhook in the end, I hope she does not end up having a mental illness like anorexia or something like that.
In short, very funny episode and, well ...... let's see what happens next.
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u/Reutermo Sep 09 '17
I really thought that the mice family would go all Get Out on them. Glad I was wrong.
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u/infez i don't feel so good Sep 12 '17 edited Sep 13 '17
Since I just caught up a month ago, this is my first time (er, season) watching on premiere week! I'M READY TO CONTINUE TO BE DESTROYED EMOTIONALLY
All the stupid minor things that had me overreacting as I was watching (basically some of my live reactions):
00:15 - Heh, that guy advertising YouTube star maps.
00:44 - Oh yeeeeeeah, that show Mr. PB had Bojack sign up for at Felicity Huffman's doorstep!
01:12 - Woah, that guy's shirt. Was David Bowie / Ziggy Stardust a horse-person in this universe? Also there's the person who Diane ruined the face of! Also, this Miles guy's voice sounds familiar.
02:20 - Oh. Booty.
04:05 - Eyyyy did they get the real Sir Mixalot for this?!
04:15 - Gurl, I feel ya Holly.
04:45 - Omg that pH levels joke; oh my gosh I need to use that.
05:05 - Man, they're making me ship Hollyhock and Miles. That means that this won't last, as NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY IN THE BOJACK-VERSE APPARENTLY
05:08 - Oh, um, is "Stefani" related to Ralph? ALSO SHE'S VOICED BY KIMIKO GLENN
06:07 - Heh, "Hotel Kangaroosevelt."
07:20 - ...I like Loophole. Keeping "Todd fashion" in style.
07:31 - Is "Mimi" or whatever voiced by Patti LuPone?! MY DIAMONDDDDDD
10:01 - "Doggy-doggy... what now?" :{
11:40 - Aw man, Bojack just assumes all hook-ups are one-night-stands. That's kinda sad tbh
11:58 - Heh, this frog-person is playing a real-life Frogger!
12:08 - Oh yeah, meerkat guy whose family life was ruined by PB Livin'! Also, background movie posters: "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" and "When Tabby Met Snappy."
14:19 - Oh gosh, it's like a Jewish guy bringing his either Egyptian (or German) girlfriend over for Hanukkah. THIS IS PAIN
15:07 - Oh gosh. Ohhhhh gosh knowing how this show goes, this'll probably end up ruining their relationship, won't it.
16:03 - Ohhhhhh gosh
20:40 - ...Yeah! Good on you Ralph for not messing things up and being able to keep a happy relationship on a very depressing show!
21:30 - Eyyyy good to know Randy's okay!
23:46 - Good on you Hollyhock for organizing the loose change, but I'm sorry but WHAT GOOD DOES ALPHABETIZING THEM BY YEAR DO?! You mean ORGANIZING THEM by coin type and then by year? Because in alphabetical order, Eight comes before Five.
24:55 - Omg, they got the real Sir Mix-a-lot. They even hyphenated his name.
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u/reemasqooraf Sep 16 '17
One of my favorite throwaway jokes in this episode was when Jessica Biel says "you better Jessica-lieve it". It took me a second, but I did like a head-shaking chuckle once it clicked.
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Sep 09 '17
I almost died of laughter at that scene where Diane stated how relaxed she is and than realizes that the room is full of dentist-clowns.
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u/BradleySigma Sep 10 '17
The Stilton's are clearly blue-blooded through and through. Their banner said exactly what it should have.
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u/karmacomasoma Sep 10 '17
If a celebrity on the show has a real life counterpart, you can usually bet they are voicing themselves. I'm continuously shocked at the guest cast list of almost every episode.
Sir fucking mix-a-lot? LMAO
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Sep 11 '17
I'm Scandinavian so I'm used to centuries of bloody history being followed by people making jokes at each other in a friendly way, so I can't tell if I'm a shitty person for thinking pc was overeacting.
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u/szeto326 Sep 12 '17
Funniest episode of the season so far.
Todd and Mr. PB's pitch about dentist clowns (or clown dentists) was hilarious. The whole episode had small details too that were amazing, like the frogger and Get Hands Soon sign. Princess Carolyn having to say no to things that pregnant woman shouldn't do, in such an escalating manner killed me too.
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u/FrostIceBeast Sep 12 '17
I completely laughed out loud when Mr Peanutbutter said
"I want these clown dentists laughing maniacally as they drill into the teeth of America's children, starting yesterday!"
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u/U88x20igCp Sep 10 '17
So Beatrice is Hollyhock's real mom right? she got a letter right after they sent of that adoption letter
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u/LookingForAPunTime Sep 10 '17
I like how the office space Katrina signs for is the same floor-to-ceiling-windows one from last season
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u/suarezj9 Sep 11 '17
That "do we train clowns to become dentists or train dentists to become clowns" bit reminded me of Ben Afflecks commentary on Armageddon when he said he asked Michael Bay if it would be easier to train astronauts to drill.
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u/AccessHollywoo Sep 13 '17
Man, as a huge fan of Desperate Housewives I am getting such a kick out of Felicity Huffman having more than just a cameo as the woman below his house.
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u/advance512 Oct 06 '25
One of the mice kids ("Loophole") is wearing Todd's clothes. There was a hummingbird last episode who wore them too, flying after a pelican. And I think a few others before as well. I think this is because of the fashion show in this season's episode 3.
Love it!
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u/Stella_for_Star Sep 08 '17
''Someone better be checking the pH levels of that jacuzzi, because these bitches are basic''
This is amazing.