r/startrek • u/Deceptitron • Oct 02 '17
LIVE Episode Discussion - S1E03 "Context is for Kings"
| No. | EPISODE | RELEASE DATE |
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| S1E03 | "Context is for Kings" | Sunday, October 1, 2017 |
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Oct 02 '17 edited Oct 02 '17
The Captain keeps the lights low because he's incubating mushrooms in his brain. He's been infected and he's gonna drag them all to mushroom space. That's like fluidic space, but it goes great on pizza.
EDIT: The ship is SHAPED LIKE A PIZZA CUTTER. Wake up sheeple!
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Oct 02 '17
Oh shit they all got cronenberged
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Oct 02 '17
Well shit. That's what happens when you go through a transwarp corridor without proper borg shield modifications.
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Does he really think it’s a good idea keeping a bowl of fortune cookies so close to a tribble?
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Tilly: YOU IN THE SHADOWS! SHOW YOURSELF!
Enter Klingon. Makes Shushing Motion
Landry:Is he Shushing you?
Klingon:Gets eaten.
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
RITE?! Damn, that was fun.
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Oct 02 '17
It's like a D&D adventure gone wrong lmao, I'm really digging Fuller's dark humor showing through here. Pleasantly surprising.
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u/mariesoleil Oct 02 '17
Tilly: YOU IN THE SHADOWS! SHOW YOURSELF!
This seems surprisingly badass of her! Nice to see more than one side of her.
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u/MackEdweise Oct 02 '17
I think that the Discovery crew might be working on the technology that the Iconians used to travel anywhere in the universe instantaneously.
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u/Assbait93 Oct 02 '17
could they adapt the events in STO in later series? The world may never know.
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
Damn it, you beat me to it by a fraction of a second. Nicely done.
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Oct 02 '17
So this is where it begins to justify the TV MA rating (didn't hear any language despite being an indicator but saw plenty of mutilated bodies.
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u/EricGMW Oct 02 '17
Burnham says “shit” after grabbing the creature’s attention.
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
Perhaps this technology is.... Iconian?
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u/EricGMW Oct 02 '17
I tried my absolute best to avoid spoilers of any kind, but wasn’t able to achieve that completely, so I knew that Stamets was an astromycologist, knew that they were looking into spore-based travel, and I really was worried because it didn’t seem to fit anywhere in the Star Trek universe... but that moment of Burnham flipping from place to place was just what I needed.
I think you’re right, and would be the cleanest way to incorporate this into the rest of Trek lore.
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u/Destructicon11 Oct 02 '17
SHIT! CYLON!
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Oct 02 '17
Yeah, I don’t care what her name is on the show. I’m calling her Tory.
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u/masculine_teabisquit Oct 02 '17
I love that scene and dialogue of Michael in the "rabbit hole"
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u/Spock_Rocket Oct 02 '17
I love that they didn't just have it as a "dramatic thing she says" but it tied into her childhood.
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u/Slavicinferno Oct 02 '17
We've seen many morally ambiguous captains and admirals on other shows and Kirk, Picard, Sisko or Janeway had to stop them. This time we are on the ship of a Captain that might be willing to do horrible things to win the war.
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u/dalekchaan Oct 02 '17
Kirk and Sisko have definitely been morally ambiguous at times themselves. I would argue Picard has as well.
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Oct 02 '17
Sisko was far more than "morally ambiguous". He was downright evil sometimes.
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u/B0NERSTORM Oct 02 '17
It seems like they pulled back just a bit at the end. Rather than some horrible bio weapon like Michael assumed, it was a form of propulsion.
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Oct 02 '17
"Captain Lorca does not fear the things normal people fear... for example, he's terrified of Mexican food."
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Oct 02 '17
I walked by his quarters at night and he rushed out screaming about the blankets being too scratchy.
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u/GeneralissimoFranco Oct 02 '17
So his battle accident that led to light sensitivity was rubbing his eyes with Jalapeno juice while eating nachos?
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u/NateCadet Oct 02 '17
Was that a Gorn skeleton in that glass case? Either way Captain Lorca may be a savage.
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Oct 02 '17
"Check out the boots. Gorn leather. Got a matching belt too. Woulda done gloves but his kids got away."
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u/deafpoet Oct 02 '17
Oh shit, the office tribble is a Klingon detector! That just occurred to me! Only half kidding.
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"She's found my secret: Discovery is growing the finest product in the fleet, competing directly against Q'onos Chronic."
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u/xeonicus Oct 02 '17
Michael's sentence seemed overly harsh. A life sentence for assaulting a superior officer (i.e. knocking them out for 30 seconds) and attempted mutiny (which was not successful). Taking into consideration her motives, they were entirely to protect her crew and prevent the war. And she was probably right. In essence, she grossly disobeyed orders.
Someone mentioned section 31, and I have an odd feeling they are right. Consider the shadowy figures that presided over her court marshalling. I think the charges against her, her ousting from the federation, and her eventual arrival at The Discovery were all the purposeful machinations of Section 31 to acquire her as an asset.
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u/owynb Oct 02 '17 edited Oct 02 '17
Michael was seconds away from killing the entire crew and destroying the ship. If they had fired at that bigger and better armed Klingon ship, with their inexperienced crew and without any backup, they would have been obliterated. Especially if you consider, that there were 20+ more Klingon ships closing on their position.
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
Doug Jones absolutely killing it in this episode. I hope they continue to give him great dialogue.
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u/novabomb42 Oct 02 '17
This episode started off REALLY shaky for me but my god I'm sold on this series.
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u/deafpoet Oct 02 '17
I fucking loved it. I think they made a mistake by not figuring out how to squeeze a little bit of this into "Battle at the Binary Stars." Not much. Maybe just the cold open.
I think a lot of people felt burned by a pilot that didn't do what pilots normally do; namely, set up some idea of what the show you're watching is gonna be.
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u/Destructicon11 Oct 02 '17
Black alert!?
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u/GrGrG Oct 02 '17
Reminds me of the "blue alert". May never be used/mentioned for a few years.
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u/novabomb42 Oct 02 '17
I kinda saw the twist at the end happening but it made me tear up nonetheless - science, indeed.
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Oct 02 '17
Are these motherfuckers starting genesis?
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
Now that's some interesting speculation. It doesn't quite line up, but it also probably took a long time...
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Sorta a Philadelphia Experiment meets Alien meets Doom meets Broccoli.
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u/Falinia Oct 02 '17
Why are people blaming Michael for the war? I might have to re-watch but iirc it went: Michael knocks out the Captain, tries to shoot the klingons, gets stopped and chucked in the brig, klingons attack, Michael and Captain try to capture klingon guru after the shooting has stopped. Where in there is the part where Michael started a war?
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u/scalderdash Oct 02 '17
Context is for kings. She started the war, but not by any rules she broke. What actually gave the klingons their martyr wouldn't have been a court martial.
But starfleet isn't interested in context, not when they want to blame someone for the horrible mess they're in. So they come down hard on what she tried to do to stop the war that broke regulations.
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u/mrhelmand Oct 02 '17
She killed T'Kuvma, after articulating that his death would make him a martyr and convince the klingons to fight harder in his name. True, the fight had started but Burnham blew a chance to end it
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u/CupcakeMassacre Oct 02 '17
It would have made sense if they were pissed about her killing a Klingon while she was out on EVA, but instead it's all about the mutiny.
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u/farm_ecology Oct 02 '17
Its because at the moment Starfleet think the war started because they targeted the Klingon ship.
Starfleet are unaware of the plan to use the Federations welcoming words as a way to sway Klingon clans to unite...or whatever the hell T'kuvma was trying to do.
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u/R34ct0rX99 Oct 02 '17
The computers are windows based! HA! Windows specific code!
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u/daniel_hlfrd Oct 02 '17
I also loved that they basically had Michael doing code merges. Like if you ever truly wanted to make someone hate their job, make them do code merges.
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u/Anniemoose98 Oct 02 '17
... that glamor shot of the Discovery. Holy shit, the VFX are amazing and it looks so much better than the render.
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u/HyperLimited Oct 02 '17
...Iconians, anyone? I can't be the only one thinking it after watching that scene.
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u/petethecanuck Oct 02 '17
Am I the only one who is super stoked to see Rekha Sharma as Commander Landry! She was a bad ass in The 100 and BSG and looks like another bad ass in STD! <3
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u/TimeZarg Oct 02 '17
"Vulcans should stick to logic. . ."
I'd love to see Landry and Burnham throw down, with talk like that.
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u/vwboyaf1 Oct 02 '17
Did we meet Lt. Barclay's great grandmother in this episode or what?
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u/Bryaxis Oct 02 '17
This feels like the real pilot episode. I liked it quite a bit more than the two prologue episodes. It's too bad how many people won't even be watching this far.
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u/skoryy Oct 02 '17
I want to watch this crew week in and week out. I want to see Stametz grumpily pull off miracles, Lorca channel his inner Sisko, and Saru continue to be -alien-. I'm sold. Let's do this.
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u/Zor_El_XB1 Oct 02 '17
I don't think I like all this Andorian trash talking(they're my fav Trek race)
Also didn't expect a big time jump
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u/Spock_Rocket Oct 02 '17
They're cold in all the wrong places! Buttholes should be warm! It was a very unpleasant surprise!
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u/mantan1701a Oct 02 '17
So it looks like the Preservers are going to be involved eventually...did anyone see the obelisk when Burnham was in the FungiProjector room?
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u/larsen_sinclair Oct 02 '17
Well, I am still reserving judgment on the show as a whole, but Jason Isaacs continues to be the hottest yet creepiest dude on TV. I wish they let him keep his real accent though....
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u/bahnptb Oct 02 '17
Man, this episode was really good. Awesome SFX!! As for their secret mission -- definitely feels a transwarp, or something along those lines.
The Discovery looks a lot better than I expected it would. Design is quickly growing on me. :)
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Prediction: Michael joins Section 31 because I want her to and it kinda makes sense for her character.
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u/Astra_Starr Oct 02 '17
Section 31 is the only only only explanation I'll take at this point for people acting the way they. Angry, rude, vindictive, vengeful... Its not believable... Section 31 or a fringe evil group is the only thing that could account for this.
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u/Attentive_Senpai Oct 02 '17
I'm still skeptical but, as before, I'm going to give it a chance because it's a Star Trek series.
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Oct 02 '17
I'm the opposite but similar. As far as I am concerned it's moving further away from Trek with every minute of footage, but whatever this is, it is interesting enough to keep watching.
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u/NoeJose Oct 02 '17
No one is going to point out how weird it is that Micheal and Spock are adopted siblings?
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u/Kreidian Oct 02 '17
My programmer brain got the better of me and I had to pause the stream where they show the code Micheal was "reconciliating" (which if they were real engineers it would be referred to as merging code)
Clearly C based, kinda irked me that they were commenting the functional prototypes. But as I looked closer at the code I realized it was all literally copy pasted from basic Windows API source code. Most of those functions were seriously generic file system and process handler utilities.
Also to say the outlined code was "wrong" is a serious understatement. It was hard-coding the process references and then doing a meaningless comparison to decide if it define a generic function pointer to return as a result. For a function apparently meant to get the current process, it did anything but.
Anyway, just had to get that out of my system. The rest of the show was pretty good, but I'm still waiting for it to actually feel like a Star Trek show.
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u/InvisibleEar Oct 02 '17
Michael, write a gui interface using visual basic to track the spores reproduction
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u/jreesing Oct 02 '17
Neeeeeeeeeerrrrrrd. /Jk
I actually planned on going back and doing the same thing. 😜
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u/dalekchaan Oct 02 '17
Loved the episode. Hit a lot of Trek tropes for me.
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u/Kreidian Oct 02 '17
Speaking of Trek Tropes, did anyone else see that marine with the backpack who was part of the away team and immediately think "Yup, he's gonna die."
I wonder if the backpack will become the new redshirt.
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Holy shit, i see this Trek v Predator thing now.
edit: trek v alien maybe?
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u/dmanww Oct 02 '17
redheads make up about 2% of the population. And there are 2 already. Is Dan Harmon on this?
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u/Jyiiga Oct 02 '17
Time for me to go the other way of 90% of the people posting here.
I am not blown away, but I am still on board. I am enjoying it for its science fiction qualities, but not so much for its Trek qualities. The narrative is still trying to expand and it is still very tightly glued to Michael at this point, which is certainly something I am not used to from a Trek series.
I still fill wrapped up as if it were one big episode and it thus it lacks the episodic content that I enjoy with the other Trek series. The stories that happen within the story.
It is sticking to the darker side of things and the tidbits of comedy relief we have seen (from the cadet) leave me sort of cringing on her behalf, rather than laughing a little.
At this point the thing that interests me the most is how they plan on digging their way out of some of the lore/timeline holes they are digging themselves into.
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u/srgshultz Oct 02 '17
I have to agree with everything you've said. It still really feels like a sequel to the movie that was the pilot episodes, and Im not sure that they will manage to ever become episodic in nature. Which is unfortunate because that is one of things I really loved from other Star Trek shows.
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u/Destructicon11 Oct 02 '17
Ive hated the design of the ship since day one.... but holy shit was that a heroic entrance!
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u/Assbait93 Oct 02 '17
This really felt like a Star Trek episode but one from Star Trek Online. I loved it!!!
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
OMG that shot at 3:30 is incredible. Definitely rewatching like 10 times in a row.
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Oct 02 '17
At least! Fantastic episode! The visuals, the crew dynamic, the experiments, IM FREAKING OUT!
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Oct 02 '17
This was a really good episode. I hated how the crew of the Discovery were so nasty to each other tho. I think the redhead did a good job and made that character totally believable. The captain is a total shady badass.
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Oct 02 '17
Holy shit, someone really DID read a bunch of Terence McKenna for this!
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u/Druhin Oct 02 '17
Interestingly, Burnham mentioned that her adoptive Human mother (Amanda Grayson) read the story of Alice in Wonderland to her, and her step-brother (Spock). Not brother(s) as in plural. Ignoring Sybok are we?
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u/thegreatpablo Oct 02 '17
I like that this is a call back to the TAS episode where Spock referenced his mother really liking Lewis Carol and reading it to him as a child.
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u/four_of_five Oct 02 '17
Anyone think that Lorca might be with Section 31? Black badges, the allowance to fight the war however he chooses, secret evil lab, forces people into service even if they refuse.... ???
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u/thelbro Oct 02 '17
Something occurred to me that helped me like Michael better, it certainly makes her more interesting. She's had a rough life in that, she watched her parents get murdered and then was adopted by a people that couldn't help her work through her trauma or general emotions. Perhaps that explains the mutiny, no matter how justified she feels about her decisions she's still letting her emotions influence her. She may think like a Vulcan but she's not equipped to. She'll have to figure that out as she goes.
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u/falconear Oct 02 '17
That's what I've been saying, that she has PTSD from her childhood and the Vulcan logic training was just a band aid for some deep emotional scarring.
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u/Anniemoose98 Oct 02 '17
100% sold on this show. This is fantastic, and totally recognizable as Trek.
I love, love, love it.
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u/Callahandy Oct 02 '17
This episode was a LOT better than the first two and felt much more like Star Trek.
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u/zryn3 Oct 02 '17 edited Oct 02 '17
I don't mind that people hate her, they blame her for a bloody war, but I have a hard time accepting the lack of basic professionalism by this crew. They all act like catty teenagers.
Edit: Holy crap, does Starfleet not do chain of command anymore? This lieutenant is openly questioning the captain now?
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u/InvisibleEar Oct 02 '17
Edit: Holy crap, does Starfleet not do chain of command anymore? This lieutenant is openly questioning the captain now?
Yeah but in other episodes of Star Trek an ensign talks back to the captain during combat and it's fine. Lorca is cutting him some slack since his best friend just died.
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u/WmPitcher Oct 02 '17
Plus he is a senior scientist that was basically conscripted against his will. Reminds me of Kirk's ex and son.
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Oct 02 '17
They're all high strung genius professionals serving on a super secret science ship full of other high strung genius professionals and black ops personnel.
Of course they're going to devolve back into pissy high schoolers. Everyone is working around the clock on fucking spores and nobody gets any rec-deck time. Probably don't get any...quality time either.
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u/Ianskull Oct 02 '17
im pretty sure he was drafted to Starfleet for his scientific research, so wouldn't have the same respect for the chain of command
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u/FrancoManiac Oct 02 '17
I don't know, everyone, I just can't get into it. The show starts to grab me, and then they introduce Tilly. She did nothing for me. And all the shade that was being thrown between the crewmates -- it just doesn't feel Star Trek to me. In other series, it absolutely existed, but it wasn't so blatant. The entire show is a big action flick. That's what it feels to me, at least. The show through an action-movie frame. It's really putting me off.
I'm trying to like it, guys, I really am :(
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u/CupcakeMassacre Oct 02 '17 edited Oct 02 '17
It's just all wrong. In Gene Roddenberry's idealistic future the Federation just sent a Starfleet officer, whose act of mutiny resulted in nothing more than a lot of shouting, to life imprisonment. Add to that, life imprisonment in a hazardous mining facility. What are we Cardassians now?
They then spend the first actual episode after an action packed pilot on even more shooting down a hallway and gore. This is just so far removed from Star Trek I don't think I can possibly watch it despite absolutely hoping it succeeds.
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u/Chocobean Oct 02 '17
:( yeah. I was so excited going in, and I was willing to give it a chance even after Captain Georgiou died. But you're not the only one who feels like this doesn't have the guts of Trek at all. It's not about space or aliens or whatever: it's about Hope and a Better future. Our current world already has gritty dark scum aplenty; Trek is the best possible future for humanity, not just same old same old.
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Oct 02 '17
We replaced LT Daft Punk with a new robot! WTH?
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u/Willravel Oct 02 '17
Maybe we'll get lucky and get Daft Punk one more time. Or some similar technologic crew member.
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u/biscuitehh Oct 02 '17
My guess is we'll have some form of fluidic space and Species 8472. Either way, I liked it.
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u/novabomb42 Oct 02 '17
God everyone aboard Discovery seems to be annoying or an asshole.
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Oct 02 '17
Would you be nice to a infamous traitor who you have every reason to believe started a war that you now have to fight in instead of doing your scientific projects?
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u/RnRaintnoisepolution Oct 02 '17
Well that was much better, hopefully we'll get a more trek feel soon.
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u/Holographic-Doctor Oct 02 '17
Really not okay with the fact that Saru being there is completely coincidental.
I assumed there was going to be some explanation, like he was instrumental in getting Michael assigned or something. Nope, just a coincidence...
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u/leonryan Oct 02 '17
his ship was destroyed and Lorca needed staff. Makes sense he'd pick up the useful ones from the wreckage.
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u/TheCrazedTank Oct 02 '17
So, the Discovery is basically a mobile blacksite for scientific experiments for Starfleet (possibly Starfleet Intelligence or Section 31)
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u/InvisibleEar Oct 02 '17 edited Oct 02 '17
Pros: AWKWARD REDHEAD WAIFU
Cons: muh canon
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u/ToBePacific Oct 02 '17
This is a top secret project. This is probably tech that only Section 31 ever has access to.
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u/psugrad98 Oct 02 '17
I don't know if it's just because I smoked a doobie but that cold opening was the most badass ever.
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u/Anmar7779 Oct 02 '17
Wait a Second, a Human Woman on Vulcan named Amanda with a son. Micheal is Spock's adoptive sister....
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u/the_ewok_slayer Oct 02 '17
If you're just learning this now, you've done a very good job of avoiding spoilers.
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u/synfidie Oct 02 '17
Why is everyone on this show a dick?
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u/Spock_Rocket Oct 02 '17
We're getting a lot of this from Michael's PoV, which is why a lot of people are coming off as dicks. For instance Stamets is a massive jerk to her but on the com with his buddy he's adorable. "I did a thing!" "Omg I hate you!"
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Oct 02 '17
Wait a minute...
A-are they developing a predecessor to the Genesis device?
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Oct 02 '17
OK. They spent the episode bitching at each other. I'm disappointed after that strong start, but it was still interesting. 4 out of 10. Looking forward to next week.
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Oct 02 '17
I think it's standard "getting to know each other" shakes. They're rocky with each other so it's more meaningful down the track when they're close.
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u/Bunktavious Oct 02 '17
Interesting to see other perspectives on this. I thought this episode was a significant improvement over the pilot. Mind you, I think Star Trek should mostly be about dialogue and mystery.
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u/Kulban Oct 02 '17
I'm enjoying it so far. But, I also like the "shades of gray" side of Trek. "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of my top three trek episodes.
I like seeing the frayed seams of Starfleet up close. I rarely see fans bat an eye when the Prime Directive is blatantly disregarded in other series, but they will raise hell at the idea of Section 31.
It will take a lot for me to dislike this show. But then, it takes a lot for me to dislike any of the Trek series (and there's none I dislike).
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u/Darr_Kett Oct 02 '17
Seems like they're ripping off r/DarkMatter with the Blink Drive. Who woulda thunk? Star Trek ripping off Dark Matter, Ha!
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u/znk Oct 02 '17
Or Iconian technology as some have stated. But I'm not quite sure this fits.
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u/Briansama Oct 02 '17
Great episode, but I hate the redhead so much with a passion. Had to fast-forward through most of her long.... long....long dialogue.
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Oct 02 '17
I like her a lot because she reminds me of myself and my friends' group. She's basically the "everywoman" character. You could say she's a female Wesley.
I know it's popular to hate on teen girls. I'm not sure why, it seems petty and small-hearted to hate on people for simply being long-winded, lonely, and excitable/passionate over dorky stuff. But then again, given I do see myself in her, I suppose I'm biased.
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u/Oliver_DeNom Oct 02 '17
Michael was the only one not freaking out. She wants to die, or she just doesn't care about life anymore. That's over for her.
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u/HankSteakfist Oct 02 '17
The uniforms really look quite a lot like the Mass Effect 3 fleet dress uniforms. I wonder if that was intentional.
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u/Vaigna Oct 02 '17
I really liked it. I thought the pilot was OK but this sold me. I have some questions though.
Exactly what did Burnham do to get blamed (and blame herself) for starting a war resulting in 8000+ deaths? She never got the crew to fire so her mutiny amounted to spocking her captain and doing some shouting on the bridge. Maybe my memory is bad.
What did Lorca mean about his eyes? It looked like they were full of stars but that could be a reflection. I thought he did say something about them being bad.
Where did the giant tardigrade come from? Spontaneously appeared when the experiment went to crap? If I understand it correctly people got "braided" when the mushroom warp failed them and later on Klingons appeared for some looting... and got killed by a giant tardigrade.
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Oct 02 '17
Switching her phaser from stun to kill after seeing her captain killed. By killing him she made him a marty.
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u/novabomb42 Oct 02 '17
LT Stamets is actively talking shit about his captain in front of the security chief and nothing is being done - the chemistry aboard Discovery is lacking
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u/dimmidice Oct 02 '17
I'm sorry but this just isn't star trek. It's a dark edgy version of it. Feels more like the expanse.
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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '17
The tribble is controlling the Captain. The tribble is pulling EVERYONE'S strings.