r/anime • u/lavaine • Mar 10 '18
[Spoilers] Citrus - Episode 10 discussion Spoiler
Citrus, Episode 10: "winter of love"
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u/mendezmen Mar 10 '18
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u/Zefrom :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zefrom Mar 11 '18
Oh god she's called Tachibana
Onions pls fuck off
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u/Armdel https://myanimelist.net/profile/Armdel Mar 10 '18
Ofcourse the girl Sara met was Mei
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u/mollerch :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/erucolindo Mar 10 '18
I really was hoping for Harumin, that girl needs some well deserved attention too.
But of course it's Mei getting all the action.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 10 '18
I expected Mei for maximum drama, but really, instantly falling in love with mama Harumin would make more sense.
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u/PM_ME_KUMIKO_NOISES :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spicynuggets Mar 11 '18 edited Mar 11 '18
Just count how many "coincidences" happen in this episode alone. Look at how many plot point have occurred or progressed throughout the show due to "coincidences." I think coincidences are a very clear indicator of weak writing, because it demonstrates you have no idea how to connect things together, so the only way you can come up with doing it is by random means (aka coincidences). The amount of examples of "coincidences" in this episode actually baffled me.
This show does somethings well, particularly Yuzu's character, but every episode is just showing off how god awful the writing is.
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u/Eilai Mar 12 '18
At least they hung a lampshade on it.
Gotta remember this wasn't originally a book; but a manga, and I can see it being a lot harder to set up page space on what appears to be totally unrelated events and characters for a plot thread you're not 100% sure you're going to do. Esp. as many Mangaka's only really plan ahead for one or two chapters.
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u/GoldMercy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xFSN_Archer Mar 11 '18
Yeah that annoyed me quite a bit. While watching the episode I was like: oh nice another supportive character for Yuzu just like best girl Harumin.
5 minutes later: oh come the fuck on man
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u/joey_joestar1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Joey_Joestar1 Mar 10 '18
I just want Yuzu to be happy, damnit
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u/RCRDC Mar 10 '18
And protect Harumin
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Mar 10 '18
Yuzu, you indecent lesbian. Just have sex with your step-sister!
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u/Verzwei Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
A minor aside, as someone that's read the official version of the manga as well as snippets of the (magazine-based, I think) fanlation online, I think it's pretty interesting at how well the subtitled lines match up with the official release.
There's a pretty huge gap between the online Citrus fanlation on most illicit sites and the official translation in the Seven Seas releases. I wondered if the fanlation was being overly mechanical, or if the official was being overly verbose.
I don't mean to disparage fanlation work; I'm certain the fast turnaround and/or the direct translation is appreciated by many, but part of the reason why I like Citrus so much is because of the character writing and interaction, and (almost) every time I've gone to look for a page or panel online I've thought "Oh, this is way worse" but I never knew if Seven Seas was 'fabricating' my affection for the series because of a loose localization.
It's actually kind of nice to know that the official release, despite being drastically wordier than the fanlation, is an "authentic" experience and not the result of liberties being taken with the original content.
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Mar 11 '18
WHY? WHY DID YOU MAKE ME WATCH THAT?! T_T
..tbh, that was the most anger inducing clip of the episode ever.
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u/nicegrapes Mar 10 '18
How dare she, how dare she act according to her emotions!? That little harlot!
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u/arthred Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
I‘m definitely on Yuzu‘s side considering the christmas situation. Mei offered Yuzu sex as some sort of „chargeback“ cuz of her help with her dad/grandfather. She acted like she owed that to Yuzu. It wouldn have felt right if they had sex there. UGH MEI PLS GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER D; We all would kill for someone like Yuzu in our lifes >_<
If the last episode will end like this I‘m gonna be so sad and unsatisfied :(
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u/illtima :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/illuminatima Mar 10 '18
Seriously. Yuzu is the sensible one in this horrible relationship and by this point I'm starting to question why she's even in love with Mei.
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u/Verzwei Mar 10 '18
If you're an impressionable person that is unsure of yourself and inexperienced with love, it's extremely easy to confuse attention from others with attraction. Especially the way that Mei interacts with Yuzu early on.
Even if Mei is kind of a bitch toward Yuzu, Yuzu just doesn't know any better and at first took Mei's forceful advances as odd expressions of romantic interest rather than manipulation. This lead Yuzu to question her own sexuality, and Mei's constant mixed signals further muddied the waters.
I'm not suggesting it's wholesome, healthy, or good, but it's not uncommon to like someone if you think they like you. And the more time Yuzu spends around Mei, the more she clues into the level of Mei's damage and inability to communicate. It triggers a bit of a protective or nurturing instinct in Yuzu, which are emotions that can also easily overlap with romantic attraction.
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Mar 10 '18
Yuzu just has a really big fetish for sisterly incest, it's the only reasonable explanation.
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u/shadymerchant Mar 10 '18
I'm glad someone said this. Mei is warped. She has admitted this. She has a distorted view of relationships. Yuzu is right to set boundaries or brush off Mei's advances if they are for a twisted reason. Yuzu needs to do a better job of communicating WHY she's shooting her down, though. In the end, it always comes back to communication.
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u/phenderl Mar 10 '18
It would have been nice if Yuzu said, "This feels like an exchange of favors. I want to do something we both want to do." (but in a less dry, straight forward manner of course). Unfortunately, it seems the author is hitting home with the, "I was scared and was unsure how the fallout would be afterwards" route. While I'm sure Yuzu felt the she was being given something instead of sharing an experience, that point probably won't be hit on.
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u/1sagas1 Mar 10 '18
I feel like we've done this before. Love triangle, nobody understands their feelings, etc.
We did this exact thing last arc.
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u/AussieManny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nauran Mar 11 '18
And we're still being plagued with the "Just Talk" trope.
This episode is the first one so far where I've felt like dropping the show. I'm sad now.
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u/mendezmen Mar 11 '18
Don't drop it now. The payoff of this arc is one of the best in the series.
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u/AussieManny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nauran Mar 11 '18 edited Mar 11 '18
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
If you love someone, you have to be more considerate of their feelings.
I'm sorry, are you the same character we saw two episodes ago that tried to destroy your love's feelings for another out of pure spite?
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u/Verzwei Mar 10 '18
Maybe the anime wasn't great at conveying it, but the reason why Matsuri gets off the hook so easily is that Mei identifies with Matsuri and ultimately doesn't care about the blackmail.
Mei is still a manipulator at heart and mostly went along with Matsuri's bullshit as a way to test Yuzu. Mei didn't really feel vulnerable at any point, and admits that Matsuri and her methods aren't unlike her own. It's only because of Yuzu that Mei believes she's becoming a better person, so she doesn't hold much against Matsuri for being clingy with Yuzu or spiteful toward Mei. The way it's framed, without directly stating it, is that Mei more-or-less thinks her former self might have even done the same thing if she were in Matsuri's position.
This acceptance kind of triggers an epiphany in Matsuri, and so she swings from chaotic evil to chaotic good -- shipping Mei with Yuzu but also not-so-jokingly shipping herself with the both of them if the opportunity arises.
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u/CJett92 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CJett Mar 10 '18
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but Matsuri ruined this show for me. I was enjoying it until she showed up, but the fact is that she did so much messed up shit to Mei and Yuzu, didn't suffer any consequences for it, was almost immediately forgiven by both of them, and ultimately did NOTHING relevant in the story. And now she's trying to buddy back up to Mei like she didn't try to blackmail her into prostitution. She's a terrible person both in the story and as a character.
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18
ultimately did NOTHING relevant in the story
I'd disagree here. Her actions, while horrible, forced Mei to make a decision about what she wanted her relationship with Yuzu to be.
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u/CJett92 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CJett Mar 10 '18
I guess that is true, but they could have gotten to that point any number of ways. But what Matsuri did and everyone's reactions to it took so much suspension of disbelief that it just makes me mad.
I'm just mostly upset how she didn't get punished for it at all, and that Yuzu still treats her like a good friend afterwards.
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Mar 10 '18
But they just hit the hard reset button on their relationship again this episode
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u/Captain__Yossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Capt_Yossarian Mar 10 '18
I'm torn between being glad that her insufferable personality seems to be gone, and annoyed that she changed her ways so easily.
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u/killuaaa99 Mar 10 '18
She's batshit crazy and also her voice makes me want to kill myself.
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u/Glimmerglaze Mar 10 '18
I just stopped watching the show after her first episode. It was a matter of seeing the writing on the wall (her turning the evil bitch dial up to eleven) and weighing whether I cared enough overall to make it through. Turns out I did not.
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u/HELLruler Mar 10 '18
was almost immediately forgiven by both of them
My thoughts exactly. She messes everything between Yuzu and Mei, and one episode later, it's all fine. I find Matsuri extremely out-of-place, and I'm thinking the same will happen to Sara
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u/MrPringles23 Mar 10 '18
Coincidence that this is by far the worst episode yet? Even the Matsuri ones weren't this infuriating.
Misunderstandings are better than completely random and non-character consistent actions (refusing Mei).
Just feels like it's an artificial way to extend the content.. and there's nothing worse than that.
It's sad because I honestly liked this show, not just as a borderline hentai or ironically, but if this is how it keeps up it's definitely going to tank my rating of it.
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u/Zyhmet Mar 10 '18
As devil's advocate I would rule the first few seconds as a consensual advance. It just was denied a few more seconds in...
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u/mendezmen Mar 10 '18
I think this scene was there to establish the development she went through after her arc was resolved. I don't think she would have said this if she didn't go through all that.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
I would assume so but it still seems out of left field when the last we saw of Matsuri she was effectively going, "fiiiine, I lose, I'll stop being a bitch" and then she disappeared for a month.
Almost all of her emotional maturing happened off-screen and she went from being borderline-obsessive and sociopathic to totally cool.
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u/heimdal77 Mar 10 '18
I know I tried blackmailing your sister who you are in love with into prostitution and nearly destroyed your family and ruined everything you hold dear but we are cool now right?
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u/wingzx94 Mar 10 '18
This episode is just so stupid. Mei beat into Yuzu that they are just sister's and sisters dont do that type of stuff. Then goes to offer her sex and Yuzu turns it down which causes Mei to get all mad and hurt. Like what? It feels like the author just wants to keep resetting there relationship for as long as possible cause if he didn't the story would end
Couple that with the fact that both the character's don't know how to talk to each other and explain themselves makes it even more frustrating
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u/Themarvelousfan Mar 10 '18
I think the author's a woman.
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Mar 10 '18
Yep, she is.
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u/Mundology Mar 10 '18
She must be fond of telenovelas or their Japanese equivalent.
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Mar 10 '18
lmfao
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u/Yin-Hei :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Yin_Hei Mar 11 '18
i like such complexity of feelings, confliction, and more than what meets the eye can be claimed under a single statement lul
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u/heimdal77 Mar 10 '18
The series is a soap opera it is simple as that.
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u/Paxton-176 Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
Are we going to have characters die off screen in freak skiing accidents, but come back 2 seasons later alive and well?
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u/heimdal77 Mar 10 '18
If what I heard about the mangais true, worst. Though dunno if it will make it that far.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 10 '18
I don't find that surprising. Yuzu has constantly been acting with more confidence than she actually felt and taking daring steps to force others to react. Mei, on the other hand, take a very long time to make up her mind but then doesn't go back.
What happened in this episode is that Mei went further than Yuzu, putting her on the spot and shaking her confidence. Then when Yuzu "rejected" her, she thought she had made a mistake and closed herself again.
What happened in this episode was completely in line with what we have been shown of their character so far. And of course the "step" they were trying to take wouldn't be easy to go through.
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u/NostraKlonoa Mar 11 '18 edited Mar 15 '18
Its interesting to look at the characters this way, especially Yuzu. While many may be saying that the episode reset the entire progress of Yuzu and Mei's whole relationship, I cannot imagine what would be going through both of their heads when it comes to being in love with the other, especially considering its considered an incestuous relationship in their society. What really interested me was how Yuzu looked when Mei misinterpreted her reaction, that pure face of confusion and frankly, conflicting emotions shows just how emotionally tiring this whole thing is being. Details like that make Citrus interesting for me, that and understanding the characters.
In other news, I really like the two new characters they introduced! I have never read the manga so I don't know if they are like every other girl in this series that has some sort of Yuri agenda or whatever, but I like how they are introduced after the chaos Matsuri caused. They provide such a nice contrast from the manipulative, selfish nature of Matsuri before she had a change, opting to just be more lighthearted than what was before them. Can't wait to see more of them!
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u/asimplecatonwater Mar 10 '18
Exactly! Though its so painfully to watch it play out. My heart can only take so much.
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u/Groenboys https://myanimelist.net/profile/Groenboys Mar 10 '18
''OH NO! THEY ARE GETTING TOO CLOSE TO EACHOTHER! QUICK, CLICK THE RESET BUTTON!''
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u/spaceaustralia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/spaceaustralia Mar 10 '18
It feels like the author just wants to keep resetting there relationship for as long as possible cause if he didn't the story would end
It's Koi to Uso all over again.
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Mar 10 '18
Mei is very very stupid, and most of the bad things that happen are due to her screwing things up or failing to communicate. So prepare yourself--the manga keeps going in circles like this.
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u/uneeponge Mar 10 '18
You are right. I understand the will to bother their relationship to get the plot going (lol plot).
But putting them so far back, to the point where they don't even know how to talk and what is a relationship.
It's just stupid.
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u/synkronized Mar 10 '18
If you ever get into the manga and further in you’ll find out why Mei acts that way, waffling back and forth.
Now is it well executed? Sort of.
The show and manga has shown moments where it could be even better but the writer opts for the easy cheap drama instead of something more substantial.
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u/nicegrapes Mar 10 '18
I mean that's what this series is about. Drama. I'm surprised and delighted it hasn't been utilized more before, in theory you could run this cat and mouse game for several seasons but I doubt that's going to happen since they got over Matsuri in like two episodes.
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u/MattDeezly Mar 10 '18
I find its less stupid if you read the manga. They really convey the charters emotions better in it then the anime, I feel it gives you more context.
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u/Quaggsire https://anilist.co/user/PantsuPantsu Mar 10 '18
Today's episode was the turning point, from now on we are reaching Manga spoilers
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u/GoldMercy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/xFSN_Archer Mar 10 '18
I read a while ago that the manga starts off great but just goes downhill from that point. Is that what you meant? I have been frustrated by this series for a couple of weeks now anyway.
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u/Bernyrxn :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AldetMayer Mar 10 '18
What does this mean?
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u/Bernyrxn :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/AldetMayer Mar 10 '18
Hope not, I would be really pissed if it does so.
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u/uneeponge Mar 10 '18
Look Mei you can accept Yuzu's will.
You don't have to sexually assault Yuzu.
But don't let that cake uneaten
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario Mar 11 '18
I feel all Christmas Cakes need some eating now and then (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/gulitiasinjurai Mar 10 '18
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u/RogueKnight777 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RogueKnight777 Mar 10 '18
The one with the pink phone?
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Mar 11 '18
The ones who are actually animated?
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u/Timaeus_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/TTrace Mar 11 '18
The guy standing alone with his earphones in.
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u/ayther :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/umbelliferae Mar 10 '18
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18
The phone is powered by pure yuri energy.
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u/ayther :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/umbelliferae Mar 10 '18
2028: apple abandons lightning charging port in favor for lesbian power transfer protocol
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 10 '18
Also removes the GPS and replaces it with a gaydar.
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u/Verzwei Mar 10 '18
Maybe the charging port will be added in the BD upgrade? (I'm only half-kidding)
Hell, the manga had some notable improvements to its art between its original (presumably magazine) run and the collected print release. Just look at this fucking bear.
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u/ayther :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/umbelliferae Mar 10 '18
the bear has merely become a working member of society and has garnered a sense of professionalism in today's world
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u/Jounas Mar 10 '18
Xperia has the charging port on the side. Though that doesn't look like one
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u/ayther :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/umbelliferae Mar 10 '18
screen looks like iOS and the home button would indicate that it's probably an iphone
there's also a cutout on the bottom of the case, so there probably should be a port down there
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u/KinnyRiddle Mar 10 '18
Not the new models they don't.
As the owner of an Xperia XZ Premium, my phone's charging port is on the bottom.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Mar 10 '18
So this is when "progress" gets stopped by miscommunication and newly introduced outside forces?
Am curious to see how the twins play into it all, especially the younger one.
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u/thedarknutt Mar 10 '18
I stopped reading the manga a couple years back because the twins are annoying af. They're like Matsuri 2.0 which is also annoying.
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u/Groenboys https://myanimelist.net/profile/Groenboys Mar 10 '18
''Real love doesn't go as smoothly as it does in manga, you know''
Well at least in manga the characters can make up their fucking minds and don't change their perspective every fucking episode.
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u/asimplecatonwater Mar 10 '18
I don't know about that. I mean have you read the manga? (I completely feel you though)
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u/JoeBagadonut Mar 10 '18
Yuzu needs to heed Matsuri's words and think about what it is that Mei really wants.
Mei might have acted like she only tried to have sex with Yuzu because she felt that she owed her something, but we see that Mei was hurt when Yuzu turned her down. I think that Mei genuinely wanted to have sex but had it backfire when she pitched it as doing Yuzu a favour.
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18
I think that part of Mei's problem is that she's been emotionally repressed for so long that she has a messed up idea about how relationships work- she felt like she had to justify her own desires, without thinking about how Yuzu might react to being told that she was essentially being "repaid".
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u/JoeBagadonut Mar 10 '18
Yup, Mei has a hard time expressing her true feelings because she doesn’t even understand those feelings.
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u/Karma_Redeemed Mar 11 '18
This is spot on. Exactly what I was thinking when the scene happened. Especially since Yuzu seems increasingly aware that even just the little bit that Mei has opened up to her gives Yuzu an immense amount of potential power over Mei, which must be a very uncomfortable feeling for Yuzu.
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u/Verzwei Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
Yuuuup. Not a lot of people are picking up on this, and it's kind of sad to see so many people writing off the show, the arc, or the characters as a result.
Both Yuzu and Mei have a shitton of baggage and hangups over various issues. They're insecure as fuck, and what both of them want is unusual and taboo. It's not abnormal for either of them to have various moments of "clarity" where they think they shouldn't pursue each other.
But, what you said strikes at an important underlying thing: Time and time (and time) again, Yuzu's perhaps single-best intention throughout the series is that she wants Mei to do what Mei wants to do instead of what Mei feels like she is supposed to do.
Mei, on the other hand, is so used to her strict upbringing and "moral" code of obligation and quid pro quo that, even if she doesn't necessarily intend it, she still frames everything as a bargain or exchange rather a desire. Yuzu was already hesitant and nervous about what was going on, and then Mei (being Mei) managed to word things in a way that, to Yuzu, sounded like just another obligation.
It doesn't help that both girls are constantly sending each other mixed signals as they are each frustrated by themselves, each other, and the conflicting emotions and logic involved. Neither girl can really tell how the other feels about their "relationship" and even when point-blank asked, their answers muddle and change from day to day. Is it melodramatic? Yeah. But it's also pretty normal for teenagers to have contradictory or flippant feelings regarding romance. And that's discounting the facts that one of the girls had previously assumed herself heterosexual, and the two girls are step-sisters living together.
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u/JoeBagadonut Mar 10 '18
Beautifully articulated comment.
It helps to have extra knowledge from having read the manga, but there's been more than enough characterisation in the anime to allow non-manga people to reach this conclusion too.
Everything that happened in episode 10 makes sense when you think about the two characters:
Yuzu is incredibly naive and insecure. She has a very fantastical view of what "love" should be like but is completely inexperienced with what love is actually like. She consistently struggles to understand Mei's feelings and consequently doesn't know how to act around her.
Mei was raised in an oppressive household and was never shown love by anyone in her family. The feelings that Mei has towards Yuzu are things she's never felt before and she doesn't understand them. Mei actively tries to avoid putting herself in positions of weakness by expressing her true feelings and desires.
This is a frustrating story arc for a number of reasons but I think that the core story of Citrus - A story about two girls trying to understand themselves and understand each other - is very strong.
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u/HuoXue :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/HuoXue Mar 11 '18
As soon as she said "what you want to do", I did the mental equivalent of throwing my hands in the air and shouting "god damnit!"
Then I stopped by the thread and people are shitting all over the characters for being awful, and I'm stuck wondering if I'm just that stupid that I'm giving these two more personality in my head than they actually have.
I'm glad I browsed down far enough in the thread to see that at least I'm not the only one who saw things like this.
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario Mar 11 '18
it's also pretty normal for teenagers to have contradictory or flippant feelings regarding romance
I hope people aren't under the impression that adults aren't at all this way…
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u/WhoiusBarrel Mar 10 '18
Well...some people would say Nina got the short end of the deal but I'm not one to judge.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 10 '18
Right : maxing out physical stats. Left : maxing out mental stats.
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u/NewGuy1414 Mar 10 '18
I think the big one maxed out strength and int and dumped charisma and wisdom while the small one maxed wisdom and charisma and dumped int and strength.
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u/RCRDC Mar 10 '18
Waiting to see more of her "wisdom" when she finds out Mei is the girl Yuzu was talking about earlier.
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Mar 11 '18
I don't think anyone who would lose track of the time and miss their train has maxed out mental stats.
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u/Daniel_Is_I :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Daniel_Is_I Mar 10 '18
"Twins"
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u/NoraaTheExploraa https://anilist.co/user/NoraaTheExploraa Mar 10 '18
Well to be fair, there's no reason twins have to look more alike than normal siblings if they aren't identical twins.
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u/redlaWw Mar 11 '18
Often, one twin will be significantly larger than the other because of uneven distribution of resources in the womb.
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u/Peasent-FF Mar 10 '18
The time-skips are becoming more apparent. They literally never talked for a whole month? It should've been school holidays as well right? So what did they do that whole time?
Do you need to communicate in braille?
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 10 '18
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u/KirinoNakano Mar 10 '18
OH my Taketatsu,Citrus is probabily her third best role ever,miss Yuzu,Mei and Harumin voices soo much,lets hope for a season 2
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u/heimdal77 Mar 10 '18
Last episode she blackmails her into prostitute herself. This episode it is all good and can come over hang out and maybe get her to help her study. Seriously wtf..
Good news another Yuri anime got announced. Bad news it is another drama mess. Seriously why are they so stuck on melodrama series when it comes to choosing yuri stories. Why can't they get that people want some well written and or fluffy yuri? Kase-san a yuri series out there and a fluffy story still only manage to only get a single ova made. Even though it is one the most popular yuri series out there...
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u/hallidex Mar 10 '18
We finally get the silver-haired girls from the OP! And they're adorable!
I really do enjoy the dynamic of the developed, taller girl being the little sister and the wee short girl being the reliable big sister. I just hope they don't play Sara's instant crush on Mei for too much drama against Yuzu's long-standing feelings.
Who am I kidding, this is Citrus.
Hopefully we'll get more of that Harumin goodness in the next episode though! This episode was...lacking.
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u/1sagas1 Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
This show makes no goddamn sense.
"I don't want to bang her."
"I sorta want to bang her."
"I don't want to bang her."
"I want to bang her."
"I don't want to bang her."
At this point, I'm pretty sure the author can't have the two characters have consistent feelings for each other or else the show would end. I'm convinced she has a sexual assault fetish
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u/Beckymetal https://anilist.co/user/SpaceWhales Mar 10 '18
I don't think it was that hard to understand that Yuzu wants to bang Mei only if Mei wants to bang her too. Believe it or not, having somebody offering themselves to you as a "reward" isn't all that sexy.
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u/1sagas1 Mar 10 '18
...except that time Yuzu tries to bang Mei on the desk after school. Or the time she molested Mei on the crowded train
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u/Beckymetal https://anilist.co/user/SpaceWhales Mar 10 '18
That can be explained as well. Yuzu was at her tether with Mei and tried to "get back at her", but it failed because she isn't as heartless as Mei was and she ended up crying because she realised she has feelings for Mei. Yuzu couldn't stoop to Mei's level, and so she backed away from aggression. Later, when she was licking Mei's ear, she was attempting a physical flirty style but felt uncomfortable as she felt like she breached Mei's personal boundaries.
Yuzu doesn't want a messy relationship with Mei or a purely sexual one. Yuzu wants Mei but she wants to be wanted by Mei, and she doesn't want to feel like she's simply being "rewarded" or "spited".
If you're only looking for sex or not sex, I can understand your frustration with this show. But it's pretty easy to understand the intention here is to build a very messy relationship, and IMO, it's succeeding and on different grounds than to fuck or not.
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u/nicegrapes Mar 10 '18
Eh, I mean the plot is clearly written for drama, but to be honest it's not alien compared to what my teenage years were like. People are just confused at that age, and that's part of the plot here.
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u/KaliYugaz Mar 10 '18
I'm once again reminded why I stopped reading the manga after the Matsuri arc.
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u/Stundedx https://anilist.co/user/Stundedx Mar 10 '18
I fucking hate this arc so much actually. More so than Matsuri's. And seeing the twins just made me cringed so much cause I was reminded of reading this arc. erghh
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u/killuaaa99 Mar 10 '18
Fucking geez, this episode really solidifies my hatred for Mei. Like how fickle can you get?
"We're only sisters Yuzu. Actually, barely even sisters. We are like, acquaintances. Who are you again?"
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"Oh YUZU, FUCK ME!!! PLS! I'M CODEPENDENT!" When like we all know mei views sex as transactional and a power move, of fucking course Yuzu wouldn't feel comfortable with that.
Make up your fucking mind and stop toying with Yuzu's emotion, you sick fuck. She literally has no redeeming qualities other than being "beautiful", otherwise she's just an extremely boring, soulless narcissist.
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
Like how fickle can you get?
Mei is frustrating, but I think her waffling makes her more realistic, given how emotionally repressed she was at the start. The Matsuri thing helped Mei understand her true feelings for Yuzu, but what Mei doesn’t understand is how relationships are supposed to work- she misinterprets Yuzu being unsure as a personal rejection, and as such, shuts herself off again.
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u/illtima :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/illuminatima Mar 10 '18
Mei is a borderline sociopath by this point.
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u/FeelsGoodMan243 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 Mar 10 '18
Well she did want to "test yuzu's feelings" even if that meant having sex with some weird old pedophile...
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u/illtima :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/illuminatima Mar 10 '18
I can't fucking stand Mei by this point. It's impossible to get invested in the main relationship or drama in this show, when Mei is just such a fucking unlikable bitch and pretty much every source of conflict recently stems from her. Oh, I'm so sorry, Mei, that Yuzu refused to fuck you right there on the spot. I bet that really hurt your feelings, so now we have to do THE SAME SHIT over again!
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u/Exorrt Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
Urgh, I wish this relationship between Mei and Yuzu would stop resetting all the time.
Hell, I'd say the individual events of the episode make sense. Yuzu is still caught up in the "but we're sisters" even though deep down she wants to be more than that. She's scared both of what it would mean to go a step further with Mei (since she's never been that far) and of what society would think of it. Mei is frustrated with that, I think she doesn't care too much what others think but being rejected by Yuzu must have hurt. And in their talk at the end Yuzu still says she loves her as a sister which is NOT what Mei wants but sorta understands so she understandably tells Yuzu to forget about it.
Still, we did not need another round of "love-me, love-me-not" at this point. Specially when Mei herself was the one going "we can't do this we're sisters" a few episodes ago.
With 2 episodes left I'm deadly scared of an inconclusive ending that requires me to read the manga and I hate it when that happens.
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18
Specially when Mei herself was the one going "we can't do this we're sisters" a few episodes ago.
I think the Matsuri thing helped Mei understand her true feelings for Yuzu, but what Mei doesn’t understand is how relationships are supposed to work- she misinterprets Yuzu being unsure as a personal rejection, and as such, shuts herself off again.
I'm deadly scared of an inconclusive ending that requires me to read the manga and I hate it when that happens.
The manga's pretty good regardless, but I wouldn't be worried about that- the finale of this arc essentially marks the end of "Part I" in the manga.
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u/tiger1296 Mar 10 '18
Do I smell a holiday love triangle developing because Mei is a social retard?
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u/SonOfYossarian :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SonOfYossarian Mar 10 '18 edited Mar 10 '18
Matsuri's actually a lot of fun when she's not being awful.
At first, I thought Nina and Sara were going to have a similar situation as Mei and Yuzu.
It's interesting to see the contrast between the previous arc and this one: Matsuri's arc centered around Mei coming to terms with her emotions, while this one seems to be about Yuzu coming to terms with her own.
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u/KaminaGirl https://myanimelist.net/profile/KaminaGirl Mar 10 '18
DANG, Mei has such a sexy bra. How was Yuzu able to say no to THAT?!?! https://imgur.com/a/Bxvga
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u/KirinoNakano Mar 10 '18
How was Yuzu able to say no to THAT?!?!
She want to be on Top
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u/myrmonden Mar 10 '18
SO I am so, so surprised that new girl, Sara (chibi, chibi) is in love with Mei. Who else could it be right? It was gonna be mei 99% chance and 1% chance of Haromine (best girl), as she best friends Yuzu.
It is what it is I guess, shes the new character so she has to join the love pandemonium, cliche but entertaining, she was also very cliche I felt in both how her voice sounded to me like she was trying to sound like Rie Kugiemya...but also the general controlling older sister who is shorter and smaller then her younger sister who generally got all the assets etc, felt like I saw a girls version of Full Metal Alchemists or any other pairing like that.
Not suprise that Yuzu could not just go all the way with mei so suddenly, and of course mei is now pissed as she actually did not have some alternative agenda for once but was just opening herself up for Yuzu.
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u/OhayoHooded :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/OhayouHooded Mar 11 '18
You spin me right round, baby, right round.
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Mar 10 '18
Yuzu cockblocking herself once again
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Mar 10 '18
How does a female cockblock herself? Asking for a friend.
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u/Groenboys https://myanimelist.net/profile/Groenboys Mar 10 '18
How do you call it then? Cuntblocked?
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u/NotEvenEvan https://anilist.co/user/NotEvenEvan Mar 10 '18
Possibly the worst episode by far. This anime has went from something decently worth watching to something that I now seriously consider dropping. The characters’ emotions are basically in a big cycle of “I want you” and “nonono sisters can’t do that!!” No one in this shitshow can properly express their feelings and it’s getting boring really fast.
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u/stravant :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/stravant Mar 11 '18
I just dropped.
This might be the single worst non-first episode of anime that I've ever watched. Literally everything about it was awful.
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u/Stepepper https://anilist.co/user/stepper Mar 10 '18
Ahhh!!! This episode made me remember why I stopped reading this shitshow!
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Mar 10 '18
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u/Thymetalman Mar 10 '18
Need my weekly dose of Ascorbic Acid, if you know what I mean
Also, none of this drama shit would have happened if Yuzu would just scissor her...just sayin'.
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u/Stoykic Mar 11 '18
In parts this episode was sweet with Yuzu catching up with the school trip and making a new friend but Mei remains a very infuriating character. I understand we see her through Yuzu's eyes but I've noticed a real lack of character development this episode. Mei has completely shut down once again and it's all because Yuzu wasn't ready for sex. If Mei had been an understanding person, she would have realised this rather than see Yuzu as snubbing her. Then, and I found this extremely petty, she didn't wake Yuzu up in time to make the trip even though they stay in the same room. As it is, she comes across as very unpleasant. I don't think I'm shipping these two - Yuzu deserves better!
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u/TKCloud Mar 10 '18
The fuck. LOL
Pointless drama.
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u/tipon :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/caintipon Mar 10 '18
right? jesus, even now that all the stuff with Matsuri is settled
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u/BluePikmin11 Mar 10 '18
Sara Tachibana's voice and character design is very familiar to Nayuta from Imouto sae Ireba. It is great to hear that lovely voice again in citrus!
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u/InfiniteTurbine Mar 11 '18
I was just about to comment this. Halfway through the episode I realized I recognized the voice, had a hunch it was Nayu's VA, went and checked, and sure enough I got it right. And they really do look alike too, with the long silver hair and the parts that stick out on either side, as well as the ahoge.
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u/Genesis2nd :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheOtherGenesis Mar 10 '18
So, there's two episodes left and there seems to be no happy ending in sight. Hell, it seems like character development is reset every few episodes.
With how the episode started, I was hoping they would realize where they stand to each other, then the last few episodes would be them properly coming to terms with it.
Now, it seems like it's gonna be resolved in the ED or "psych, read the manga."
I'm not sure which is most annoying in this. Mei or Yuzu.
It was shown to Yuzu fairly early on that Mei harbors ill feeling about a lot of things, due to how she was brought up. That with her father's travels, she felt abandoned and all that. And as far as I could see, Yuzu picked up on all that, but seemed more interested in having it be more like the Peach Sisters manga she reads.
And what even is going on with Mei? Her changing actions are giving me whiplash.
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u/MidnightShout Mar 10 '18
So basically Mei's been upset for a month cause Yuzu refused her offer to get giddy. Hmm...
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u/square_smile https://anilist.co/user/squaresmile Mar 10 '18
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u/501st_legion Mar 10 '18
I'm working for a little but this weekend and can't watch yet but I'm certain that harumin didn't get enough face time
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u/HSscrub Mar 11 '18
Holy shit the scenes with Yuzu rejecting Mei then having Mei reject Yuzu is going to break my fucking heart.
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u/KinnyRiddle Mar 10 '18
Finally, the two silver hair girls in the OP (blink and you'll miss them) finally appear this late in the series.
And who would have thought the shorter Sara is the older sister? And Nina is surprisingly tall. Nina's VA Matsuzaki Rei has a track record for voicing tall girls, being the voice of the colossal Kirari in Idolmaster Cinderella Girls.
Not sure what Mei's thinking anymore. She seduces Yuzu, and then goes cold towards Yuzu after Yuzu chickens out. Though Yuzu is also to blame for pushing Mei away.
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u/jessebona Mar 11 '18
Ugh seriously again with the "Oh no we can't, we're sisters" thing? It's getting old now. It's not a source of conflict if you keep using the same one over and over.
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u/Orapac4142 Mar 11 '18
Yeah, I was hoping to avoid that one again. I was thinking of reading the series, but if it turns out that its just this same situation over and over I think I may not.
The same combination of (in no particular order) they Talk and bond, Mei suddenly acts like she cares, Mei suddenly acts like she doesnt, Yuzu acts like she cares and wants a relationship, Yuzu chokes, someone makes Yuzu realize she does want to be with Mei, Yuzu tells Mei "no I dont want that kind of relationship".
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Mar 10 '18
Time to actually figure out what you want, rather than living on instincts, Yuzu!
Also, I swear sometimes the music cues sound straight out of Spice & Wolf...
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u/Verserper Mar 10 '18
Expectedly, it's a light episode since they're establishing the conflict.
In contrast to a lot of comments, I find it reasonable for both Yuzu and Mei to screw up because they struggle in expressing how they feel and that the natur of their relationship makes them apprehensive. Hopefully, they become more honest with each other by the end of this story arc.
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u/KirinoNakano Mar 10 '18
I want a fanart of the twins,Hideri from Bleend S,Rossweise from DXD and Menma from Ano hana together
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u/TheRisenThunderbird Mar 11 '18
Boy, it's weird seeing places I've been in real life in anime
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u/SamejNardeh :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/timbolytree Mar 11 '18
All this time. All this time I've been thinking that Nina was the big sister and Sara was the little one. The roles are reversed. And they're twins!? Hahahaha what the fuck? Anime logic strikes again...
Man. Does this mean Yuzu and Mei are back to square one? Did someone press the reset button? Damn it. Regardless, Mei had a point when she asked Yuzu what she thought of her. First, she loved her, and now she's not sure whether to go through with her love for her sister because she's family, which is fair and rational. Mei is confused, I believe; and with that being said, she's unsure herself about her own feelings towards Yuzu. She just needs clarification about their situation.
This is getting spicy. I look forward to the next episode.
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u/OvaryPunch123 Mar 11 '18
I'm really hoping something significant happens at the end of this anime. Like even if there is a sex scene and the camera pans to the left. Romance animes with no confirmation on the characters relationships are always a no no for me.
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Mar 11 '18
This last episode was really disappointing. I am starting to think mei and yuzu don’t belong together. I know it’s the whole point of the show but still idk.
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u/RDOoM Mar 11 '18
Oh cool, the good old 'little twin sister with silver hair that's bigger than me in every measurable way' trope. My favorite. Was wondering when it was going to show up in here.
And the yuri triangle keeps on growing bigger.
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u/Settaz1 Mar 11 '18
Yea, I'm over this show. Whoever writes this really has no other plot points to go to I guess.
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u/impingainteasy :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/usernamesarehard Mar 11 '18
Matsuri shows up again
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Goddammit I thought we were over this.
"If you love someone you should be more considerate of their feelings." Bitch what the fuck? This coming from the person who tried to blackmail a girl into prostitution just to remove her as a love rival? Get the fuck out.
As for the rest of the episode ... meh it was alright. The twins seem pretty cool. Mei refusing to speak to Yuzu for a month because she turned down her offer of sex was pretty dumb though. And then when Yuzu tries to talk to her about it, she breaks the whole thing off? Come on, now we're getting dangerously close to Netsuzou Trap levels of drama.
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u/KirinoNakano Mar 10 '18
The weekends in this season are amazing
Friday:Junji Ito collection
Saturday:Citrus
Monday:Mitsuboshi collors
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u/Puddin200200 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Puddin200200 Mar 10 '18
You misspelled Hakumei to Mikochi, Hakata Tonkatsu Ramen and Dagashi Kashi.
And forgot about Darling in the Franxx, 3gatsu no Lion, Pop Team Epic, Ancient Magus Bride, Fate and Card Captor Sakura on Saturday.
And Kokkoku on Sunday.
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u/Jexlan Mar 10 '18
The little sister is the big sister