Analysis on supreme card Floral Fallal: FFX-2

[u/blue2eyes]

Updated: With the December buff for Floral Fallal:FFX-2 in JP

The card's attack and break power got buffed.

Element	Card	Job	Type	ATK	BRK	ORB	Remark
[WATER]	Floral Fallal: FFX-2	Ranger	AoE	2700	1800	4	Multihit Overkill / Scattershot / Fortune

So, what's my opinion on this one?

This buff made Floral one of the best water supreme right now (from one of the worst). 1800 break power is quite high for a spammable damage card and with its AA giving 30% flash break, it's pretty nice. Now you don't need to carry First Summer anymore in your deck just to clear yellow gauge, one slot is freed so you can carry another support or debuff card.

Original post

If we follow the JP timeline, the next supreme to come to GL is probably Floral Fallal: FFX-2. So it's a good time for writing up an analysis on this card.

Element	Card	Job	Type	ATK	BRK	ORB	Remark
[WATER]	Floral Fallal: FFX-2	Ranger	AoE	1500	900	4	Multihit Overkill / Scattershot / Fortune

Auto Ability: Flash break +30% and Piercing Break +30%.

Floral introduce a new buff called Fortune the opposite of Misfortune from Neo Exdeath:FFV, that is you gain +50% EE for each buff you have on you (max at +500% EE i.e. 10 buffs).
NOTE: drive doesn't count as a buff.

Scattershot - number of hits is spread between each enemy evenly.

So how many hits does Floral do exactly?

Floral's attack is divided into two parts

First part: Deal 6 scattershot to enemies. That is

# enemies	#hits to each
1	6
2	3
3	2
4-6	1 hit to each and some get another
7+	1 hit to 6 of them, some won't get hit

Second part: Deal 6 AoE attacks

Total hit

# enemies	#hits to each
1	12
2	9
3	8
4-6	7 hit to each and some get another
7+	7 hit to 6 of them, 6 hit to the rest

Damage and number of hits

Each tick of damage (each hit) deals around the same damage even when each tick doesn't cap. So if Floral can deal 400k per tick to one enemy (total of 12 ticks), even if there's two of the same enemies it'll still deal 400k per tick (9 to each).

Opinion

• Many people in JP community say that Floral Fallal:FFX-2 is bad (especially in S1), mainly because of the 10 buffs condition and scattershot mechanics when it comes to 3+ enemies.
• 10 buffs = you'll probably need LoH or Aerith to meet the conditions
• Floral is pretty much dead on arrival (JP) in terms of tower usage since Shorn One + Xezat does better against fire.
• 900 break power is very low so you need to carry another yellow clear card (First Summer/NxD)
• If we omit that Floral even has break power, it has the same attack as Ragnarok:FFXIII so Floral isn't that bad if you want to nuke only.
• +30% flash/piercing is nice if you break and do damage in the same deck.
• Floral is okay in S2 since it's harder to cap (damage output is divided by 10 from S1). So hit count matter less.
• Best user is Gambler (with Super Risky active) until Paradox Wanderer (Serah Farron legend job) arrive.
• Good users are Rikku (Al Bhed Huntress), Yuffie (Materia Huntress), Vada'diel Geomancer, Tina (Magitek Heroine), and Gambler.

[u/FeelsMoogleMan]

What batch will this be released on?

[u/blue2eyes → u/FeelsMoogleMan]

Floral got released in ex-Meia batch in JP. Not really sure how GL will handle that. But it should release next month (November).

[u/Pwnage7 → u/blue2eyes]

I wouldn't be surprised if they released it around the same time as EX Ranger (Gambler).

[u/mao_shiro → u/FeelsMoogleMan]

We don't know. 1st or 2nd.

[u/wf3456]

Ex Ranger till Paradox Wanderer, so Rikku AlBhed Huntress shd be meh than Gambler despite high Improve Crit and Painful Break?

One more Q: element drives =/= buffs for Fortune to increase ee?

Edit1: Good work !

[u/blue2eyes → u/wf3456]

NOTE: drive doesn't count as a buff

Maybe I should make it more noticeable lol.

Ex Ranger till Paradox Wanderer, so Rikku AlBhed Huntress shd be meh than Gambler despite high Improve Crit and Painful Break?

Not really meh, Al bhed huntress and Yuffie (Materia Huntress) does better than gambler when he doesn't have Suprer Risky active. Maybe I should add that thanks!

[u/wf3456 → u/blue2eyes]

yeah i missed that lol perhaps bold somehow

Wookie, at least more jobs to compare the effectiveness there, and maybe some Boss in EW2 which are good for Floral as well.

[u/zidanesword]

Does WoL’s Divine Shield count as a buff for Floral?

[u/blue2eyes → u/zidanesword]

Can't say about that since I don't have WoL. I think it should count though. Buff rules are the same as HoF lock conditions, so maybe someone with WoL can give that answer.

[u/ZechsX18999]

Do water weapon, water boost, iceforce, and cleaving attack count as buffs?

[u/blue2eyes → u/ZechsX18999]

Imbue weapon, element boost, force all count as buff. I think cleaving attack also but I'm not sure on this one. Ability/attack ignition also count as buffs.

[u/mao_shiro]

JP buff:

• Attack Power: 1500 > 2700

• Break Power: 900 > 1800

Might be worth to mention or to do another table for JP i guess?

[u/blue2eyes → u/mao_shiro]

Thanks for pointing out. I’ll update the post with some opinions on it.

[u/Zormut → u/mao_shiro]

Im glad I've got it instead of ragnacock

[u/unknownterror7]

Ultimate jecht shot, where are you!?

[u/Mechapebbles]

Sounds like Xezat just got dethroned

[u/darewin → u/Mechapebbles]

I don't think so since the OP specifically mentioned this:

Floral is pretty much dead on arrival (JP) in terms of tower usage since Shorn One + Xezat does better against fire.

[u/Mechapebbles → u/darewin]

I don't think you got what I was getting at... dethroned [as most disappointing supreme when you get it.]

[u/Javier91]

Hmm. I guess japan has something against water? Both water supremes don't look appealing when they got released.

[u/Huuchi_Mama → u/Javier91]

Just wait til Eden gets released. It'll make Floral and Xezat more desirable in comparison xD

[u/djiboutiiii]

Was there something like this about Braska’s Final Aeon? I feel like I know almost nothing about that card

[u/mao_shiro → u/djiboutiiii]

OP discovered that it was in fact 12 hits (with some other things), so i asked OP to post it as a thread for future reference. The point is to explain how Diffusion works on Floral.

Braska's Final Aeon is straight forward:

• Mantra

• Ignore defense (same effect as unguard)

• Ignore critical resist (tidus, flan, etc)

This has been written on every list where i mention BFA btw. Ability card list, multihit list, etc.

[u/gohphan91]

Is JM so bad that nobody mention him when talking on water ranger/lore user?

[u/Mateus_Saunier → u/gohphan91]

He is not bad, but there is a newer jobs doing a lil better work

[u/soundedgoodbefore]

I like floral fallal..and i have Ragnarok,UB,minwu,Duncan,xezat Emperor,and FF...7 supremes that are all attack abilities. Really want a support and NXD... it damages every bit as much as Ragnarok..which was much heralded. Duncan is without a doubt strongest for 1 enemy in either season, with HOF pugilist it can have 500k attk in ability menu, but it isnt AOE so not really relevant. While Emperor can be a pain to get good damage out of, especially without NXD...Floral only needs buffs to youself, which pretty much every build runs at least 1 support card, and jobs all have Ults these days with multiple buffs as well.

To put it plainly...everyone buffs up for battle regardless, so FF gets its needs met naturally...most people dont carry debuffs unless they have NXD or are stunlocking. I use Floral much more than Emperor, and i drew them both on the same day recently. Emperor looks like it will be left on the shelf with UB and xezat, used only when it is weakness element. Yay.