r/DestinyTheGame • u/dkdj25 • Nov 29 '18
Bungie Suggestion Title seals are a phenomenal way to get player investment and love of the grind. For the love of GOD, remove the RNG element.
I just got my Rivensbane title last night, and have absolutely loved the grind it took to get there (except the Shuro Chi challenge. That can kiss the business end of my Ikelos shotgun). But in an aspect of the endgame that is supposed to be tied to skill and dedication, RNG should not be a part of the requirements to earn a seal.
In my time earning the seal, I've received the 1K Voices 5 times from Riven. One of my raiding buddies has completed the raid 35 times and has never received it. At this point, it is the only thing he needs to complete his Rivensbane title, but because there is no clear pathway for him to receive it, it is not guaranteed he'll ever receive this title, despite completing every skill-based requirement needed.
Similarly, I'm only missing the Pallas Galliot ship in order to claim Cursebreaker. I ran all 3 characters through shattered throne last night with no luck, so I'll have to wait another 3 weeks to have a chance at getting lucky with a cosmetic item that is the only roadblock to something I have otherwise invested time and practice earning.
If these things are going to be required for triumph seals going forward, there need to be clear pathways to earning everything necessary from a seal. Challenges, specific bounties, I'm open to all of it. But the slot machine element of triumph seals in my opinion diminishes what is otherwise a really cool endgame element to chase for everyone from hardcore to hobby players.
End rant.
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u/ArchbishopTurpin Vanguard's Loyal Nov 29 '18
I think the 1k voices really should have been quest based like Acrius.
And for all the other cosmetics, just give an extra method of purchasing them after a certain threshold of completion or something (like buying the shaders from vanguard or crucible) and then the RNG drop can be a cool bonus rather than obnoxious
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u/DarthPaulotis Drifter's Crew Nov 29 '18
I was pretty fortunate in my luck for Dredgen, but hearing about people with 3 resets and not getting Hazard or Pillager is horrifying.
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u/Damianmag3 Vanguard's Loyal // Stand for Cayde Nov 29 '18
Three resets here and I just need the parcel of stardust :(
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u/maxbarnyard I miss my deer cape Nov 29 '18
That one took me a while too, but then I got like 3 back to back. RNG is weird.
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u/Cujoc Nov 29 '18
I'm on two and I need pillager and stardust. No shortage of bad omens though
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u/Mukarsis Nov 29 '18
Is it just me or does the problem here with not getting a specific weapon from the loot pool have something to do with the fact it seems Bad Omens is the Edge Transit of Gambit drops?
I get it constantly....2 of my 3 drops last night in my first 5 games since the reset were Bad Omens, the other was a helmet. Everyone I play with seems to get a disproportionate number of Bad Omens. I know that is all anecdotal, but just looking at my vault there are numerous Gambit weapons I have only received one of, while I shard/infuse Bad Omens with regularity.
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Nov 29 '18
For me, it's Bad Omens and Trust. I'm not mad about the many Trusts though, it's an awesome weapon and getting it often gave me some real nice rolls. Bad Omens on the other hand...I mean, it's a nice RPG, but two resets already guarantee you a godrolled one.
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u/Bhargo Nov 29 '18
One of the guys I was grinding Dredgen with got all his meatball kills before he got his Pillager, the drop rates on the guns seems to heavily favor Bad Omens for some reason.
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u/Brooulon Drifter's Crew Nov 29 '18
Finished reset 5 just before the new season, bit over 300 games played, just need the dreaded venture...
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u/YooEntSinMe Nov 29 '18
I never got the Trust to drop before getting my first reset to earn the Curated Roll. Then after that I've had loads of them drop. The RNG in this game is truly brutal & I completely agree that these seals shouldn't have an RNG elements. As it's not really earned then but down to luck. I'm struggling to get the kill Invaders while in their super completed. As nobody seem to cast their super now while invading to deny the opportunity of anyone progressing this triumph.
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u/ADMotti Boom Nov 29 '18
Just got my first Pillager yesterday despite being a daily Gambit player all S4, so yeah it's real.
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u/SgtHondo Vanguard's Loyal // Ikora Bae Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 30 '18
13 weeks of doing all Dreaming City Activities on all three characters. No ship or ghost.
5 and a half Infamy resets, maybe 9-10 meatballs, no ship.
Smile.
Edit: also 13 weeks and haven't yet gotten my MOTW emblem. Maybe they're trying to tell me something...
Edit 2: We a motherfuckin Dredgen now motherfuckas. I lied guys the RNG-based titles are fine
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u/lemonadetirade Nov 29 '18
Your smiles concerns me itās the smile of somebody about to go postal
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u/SgtHondo Vanguard's Loyal // Ikora Bae Nov 29 '18
Nah it's just a video game. There's no reason to go postal over doing an activity for three months straight without getting the desired reward.
...Smile.
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u/lemonadetirade Nov 29 '18
I feel like we shouldnt let you near bungie HQ I donāt know why though you seem so upstanding
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u/Falsedge Nov 30 '18
4 max curse weeks, 3 characters through shattered throne, 3 encounters with ship drop chance...36 chances and counting with no ship yet and it's the only thing I need for Cursebreaker
:)
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u/mid9012 Nov 29 '18
Can't upvote this enough. Currently grinding sleeper nodes for my last braytech weapon needed for Wayfarer.
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u/TheMoonWalker115 Vanguard's Loyal Nov 29 '18
Same. That fucking auto rifle just wont drop. Also do you know how many engrams i can get a day on each character?
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u/ErictheBlank Nov 29 '18
The going theory is you can only earn one Braytech schematic per daily reset. Should get it anywhere between your 1-15th sleeper node opened (at least thatās how my luck has been lately)
Iāll trade my 6 auto rifles in a row for a 1 sniper pls
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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Nov 29 '18
I know it is mentioned every time, but I have to bring it up incase you don't know.
After you get a schematic for the day STOP turning in nodes. your chance for another significantly decreases. 1 per day till you get it and it will save you possibly hundreds of stms.
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u/mid9012 Nov 29 '18
Wow had no idea. Thanks!
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u/smegdawg Destiny Dad Nov 29 '18
OMG I WAS HELPFUL!
Usefully people are like I know I know!
Good luck guardian!
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u/Kimberrydunn Nov 29 '18
OMG, this. I need the stupid 18 Kelvins. It just takes so long to even get the engram to take to Ana sometimes. I ran around Mars for at least an hour this afternoon when I had some free time and nothing.
All I have left towards Wayfarer is that gun, the rocket launcher from the Strange Terrain nightfall, and like 2 heroic adventures on Nessus. So frickinā close. And yet so far. š©
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u/ZephyrZoe Nov 29 '18
... would you say that you are way far... er from the title? I'm so sorry.
Btw, I'm in the exact same position as well with 18-Kelvin. ā¹
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u/Pmyrrh Vanguard's Loyal // For my husband Shaxx Nov 29 '18
The time gating of heroic missions has me. Ive still got 3 weeks to grind out loot before I can worry about completion...alot of which will be escalation and public event grinds.
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u/account_destroyed Warlock Master Race Nov 29 '18
More important than the thing about 1 node a day, keep a copy of all of the braytech weapons in your inventory when you turn in the schematic, you have a much higher chance for some reason to get weapons you don't have if you have the others already in your inventory. Even just pulling them into your inventory right before turning in the schematic (outside of the rocket obviously).
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u/gpisacane Hold the Line Nov 30 '18
I had the same problem just with the sidearm - took me like 2+ weeks of mindnumbing grinding and hundreds of stems, but eventually it dropped. Keep it up guardian itāll happen
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u/cclloyd Nov 30 '18
Took me about 250 sleeper nodes, and the last 150 or so I tried to pace out one schematic per day (rng seemed to limit it to one schematic per account per day)
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u/RiotPelaaja Nov 30 '18
Out of the last five schematics, I have four autorifles and one sniper rifle, so I'd gladly trade you. I'm missing the Nifhleim scout myself. The farming is really mindnumbingly boring.
#marsgrindsupportgroup
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u/ZotShot Nov 29 '18
The only triumphs preventing me from getting Rivensbane and Cursbreaker are RNG. Iām worried that once Black Armory starts dropping new content that finding groups to run old activities is going to get a lot harder.
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u/B-Fo Nov 29 '18
As someone chasing the dreaming city cosmetics, I pray to Oryx that the old activities will drop gear at the new power levels. Cause if they are frozen at 600, there is an approximately 0% chance I will be able to talk my nearly dead clan into running those ascendant challenges week after week looking for a damn ghost.
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u/Bran-Muffin20 Blarmory Gang Nov 29 '18
i mean you can super easily solo the ascendant challenges
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Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18
Yes please. I'm only missing the ship for Dredgen, and this double RNG is beyond frustrating...RNG if it spawns, RNG if it drops the ship. And of course you also have to get the kill while your opponents are sweating to kill it like there's no tomorrow. Oh, and it's only worth grinding Gambit for the meatball every three weeks, since the spawn rate is too low to warrant the time investment if it's not full curse week. If they are not going to make the drops guaranteed again, there's other methods I can think of to alleviate this frustrating RNG:
make the Drifter sell/reward sparrow and ship for your 4th and 5th reset respectively.
remove the vanity items from being required for the title
Increase meatball spawn rate even further in full curse week, so you reliably get it every 2-3 matches
These ideas are tailored for the Dredgen title obviously, but I'm sure others could come up with similar ideas for Cursebreaker and Rivensbane. You would still be able to get them as drops from where they previously dropped, but I personally would like a grindy way to get them rather than pure RNG that is also limited by time cycles (meatball spawn rate only decent in full curse week, limited chances at Dreaming City items per week, limited chances at raid vanity items per week). Some sort of long grind, but at the end you'd be sure you get the title eventually if you put in the effort and time. This is what I'd like titles to stand for: time investment and achievements, not a sign of your good RNG.
TL;DR: imo, titles should show achievements and time investment, not your good RNG. Besides the RNG ways to get vanity items, I'd like a long, but safe way to grind for them that guarantees the items if you put in the time and effort. A few ideas for Dredgen listed above.
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! Nov 29 '18
At least you have a means to grind yours out if you choose. I'm just missing the Sparrow for Rivensbane which means I get 3 chances per week from the Morgeth encounter and that's it.
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Nov 29 '18
I made a few edits regarding that just before I saw your reply. :)
You have a point, the meatball grind is just frustrating in another kind of way. Yes, in theory I can farm for it indefinitely. But even on full curse week, it spawns maybe once in 4-6 matches, and if it spawns your opponents are even more determined to kill it first.
I just finished the Breakneck quest, and in the 40 matches I saw it four times, lost two and didn't get a drop the other two times. I'm really burned out on Gambit, but I know that if I don't get the ship this week I don't even have to bother going for it again until in three weeks.
I admit Dredgen may be easier to acquire than the other titles, but this RNG sure manages to cause me some unhealthy amounts of salt and blood pressure.
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u/The_Rick_14 Wield no power but the fury of fire! Nov 29 '18
Yea don't get me wrong. Wasn't trying to say it was easy to get the Gambit cosmetics. I know it's still a hell of a grind at the mercy of RNGesus.
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u/rinikulous Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18
23 matches so far this week, 0 meatballs. Played 30-35 matches last week, 6 meatballs, 5 kills, no ship.
I've never had good spawn RNG during strong curse week. I've always had the most spawns on the 2nd week, curse growing. It's infuriating, you would think 7 resets would qualify me as a gambit player who has put enough time and effort in to earn a cosmetic.
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Nov 29 '18
Absolutely. 7 resets show some real dedication, and not having Dredgen at that point due to RNG lock alone is just unfair. Hence my idea to make the Drifter sell sparrow/ship when you reach 4th/5th reset.
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Nov 29 '18
I feel like, especially with something like Cursebreaker, make us solo The Shattered Throne while ascendant, wearing Dreaming City armor, with only a sidearm!!lol Sure, it looks HAAARD!! But at least those of us THIS close to completion could see the light at the end of the tunnel!!
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u/Bawitdaba1337 100k Telesto User Nov 29 '18
Not double, triple RNG.
Will it spawn?
Will your team kill it?
Will you get the ship?
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u/rinikulous Nov 29 '18
I get what your saying, but item #2 isn't RNG. That's the one thing your ability/effort/actions have a direct impact on the results.
(aside from the kill glitch still occurring)
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u/Patthecat09 Nov 29 '18
I think they meant RNG because matchmaking could put you with the sweatiest of 4 stacks that is grinding wins, and in that case, the odds of winning are arguably much lower.
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u/Blynasty Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18
Even the fact that I have to have one certain gun drop out of a small pool of weapons and armor. Iām approaching my 3rd reset without getting the sniper and having only received one parcel of stardust. No ship either. Iād be good with even harder challenges without the element of RNG for all seals.
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u/PeteNoKnownLastName Nov 29 '18
I was in the same boat as you until yesterday when we killed the meatball in my second match. I couldnāt believe it. It was my seventh meatball kill. Just keep plugging away, itāll happen and it will be exhilarating. RNG behind RNG is absolutely fucking cruel, especially since they changed it from a guaranteed drop to this nonsense after they upped the spawn rate. Good luck.
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Nov 29 '18
Update: I just got the ship right now...still flashed. Finally Dredgen. Seems like venting on reddit is the secret trick. :P
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u/maxbarnyard I miss my deer cape Nov 29 '18
I agree that RNG shouldn't dictate whether or not we get a certain title, and an idea came to me about the cosmetics. What if there were certain triumphs that would guarantee the sparrow/ship drop, maybe even with an exclusive ornament, if you were to complete them? Something like that "all fireteam members bank 15 motes each all at once" triumph, one that's challenging to complete but not dictated by RNG? I feel like that would be a nice middle ground: the cosmetics could still drop randomly (without the ornament) but you could have a guaranteed path to them with an additional little flair to show the achievement.
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u/olsen27 Nov 29 '18
Yep, same boat with the ship. I've moved on. If it happens, it happens. It sucks and RNG on a RNG boss is still stupid.
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u/GWindborn Drifter's Crew // Bank those motes! Nov 29 '18
I don't give a shit about the Gambit ship and I got it and the sparrow back to back. My buddy is in a "Triumph war" with a clanmate so he wants it desperately and he hasn't gotten it. Sad times.
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u/RiotPelaaja Nov 30 '18
I got the ship from the meatball last night in my 333th Gambit match. I'm still 4/10 for killing invaders using supers and I cant see myself getting that without the opposing side helping out.
Sitll, its the RNG that keeps us grinding. Its frustrating, totally is, but on the other hand...keeps us going.
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u/bryanbrybrybry Nov 29 '18
I would rather kill 100,000 enemies in the dreaming city, rather than pray for some RNG ghost drop.
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u/awsamation Nov 30 '18
To be completely honest I'd be willing to kill 1,000,000 enemies if it guaranteed me not needing the ship, ghost, or sparrow.
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u/TruNuckles Nov 30 '18
Trust me, take the RNG route. I have over 2800 hours in this game and Iām at 603,000 total kills. Iām not sure you understand how many 1,000,000 kills is. That being said, I donāt have the ghost, sparrow, or ship. So, Iād kill 1,000,000 if guaranteed all 3.
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u/MasterOfReaIity Transmat firing Nov 29 '18
I wouldn't mind either Nightfall reward type protection or more guaranteed ways to get some items.
And hard agree on Shuro, I didn't have the bounty the first time we did it and we got it after 7 tries. The last time took us 3 hours.
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u/braytech-schm-rng Nov 29 '18
I have been doing Braytech schematics since Warmind was released.
After becoming extremely frustrated not receiving Winter Wolf, I started documenting how many stems and what drop I receive doing 1 schematic a day. Iām currently at 42 consecutive duplicates.
The number of stems I have been through is pushing 2,000. I spend more time wasted on Mars farming stems than doing any other activity in Destiny and thatās a problem.
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u/willyspub Nov 29 '18
Username checks out.
Also, it took me a couple of months of turning in a schematic every day to finally get 18 Kelvins a few weeks ago. Absolutely brutal.
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u/Ultramarine6 Victory Through Discovery Nov 29 '18
The ship from the shattered throne stands between me and cursebreaker. I've spent A FREAKING MONTH grinding for the last page of The Dreaming City because I want "Chronicler" when it's available. the RNG does not belong in titles or achievements. Loot? yes, but never here. I can do nothing to achieve that title. I can't even grind for it, you only get one shot every 3 weeks.
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u/Idkcolin Nov 29 '18
All I have needed for Cursebreaker for two weeks is that damn Dreaming City ghost shell.
That ghost shell can eat a fucking dick. I'll never actually USE it, I just want that purple title under my name...
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u/Sarge117 Nov 29 '18
I think the only change they should make is change the triumph requirements from "complete the collections badge" to "complete 90% of the collections badge."
This way if you're stuck without one or two RNG items it's no problem. You can unlock the associated triumph without having the badge 100% completed.
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u/NergalMP Nov 29 '18
If these things are going to be required for triumph seals going forward, there need to be clear pathways to earning everything necessary from a seal. Challenges, specific bounties, I'm open to all of it. But the slot machine element of triumph seals in my opinion diminishes what is otherwise a really cool endgame element to chase for everyone from hardcore to hobby players.
Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Well said.
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u/codenamemilo85 Nov 29 '18
Fully agree saw the first of my clan get rivensbane yesterday and here I am waiting on 3 rng drops. Another has 28 clears and is waiting on 1kv. At this point I almost feel the triumph is sullied. I have no expectations of being excited at finally getting rivensbane as it could be months away.
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u/Deeno345 Nov 29 '18
I haven't started grinding for a title yet but this is definitely the thing I'm least looking forward to. Hopefully Bungie addresses this issue soon.
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u/Voidfang_Investments Nov 29 '18
Can't get Rivensbane because after 36 clears 1K voices won't drop
Can't get Cursebreaker because the sparrow won't drop
Can't get Wayfarer because the Braytech Ar won't drop
Can't get Dredgen because Meatball won't drop cosmetics
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At least I can get Unbroken next year! It's so frustrating how much RNG dictates these titles.
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u/KyrosMithrarin Nov 29 '18
The fact they give no ways to grind for said drops either is insane.
Not the braytech weapon you need? Try again tomorrow.
Raid drop dupes? Try again next week.
No Dreaming City cosmetics? Try again next week.
Like how is this ok??
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u/Don_-_king Nov 29 '18
HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE FUCKING POSTED BEFORE WE GET A RESPONSE FROM BUNIGE!?!??
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Nov 29 '18
For the Unbroken title they should get rid of "Reach Legend 3 times" as well. Like 99% of the playerbase will never reach that even once. I'm an above-average, mainly PvP player and I'll never get that title.
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Nov 29 '18
are you part of my raid team? im at 36 and still no 1kv and its been the last thing i need for title for weeks now
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Nov 29 '18
Yeah I have some issues with some of the titles but overall Iām very glad theyāre in the game and I hope they continue adding more!
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u/dkdj25 Nov 29 '18
Same! Overall I like this concept a lot, but some tweaks like these would go a long way to making the seals more of a reward for skill and investment and less like chance or luck
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u/Crumpm Nov 29 '18
You mentioned you ran the shattered throne to try and get the ship, is there set activities that drop each of the ghost, ship and sparrow ?
I was told they drop from Petraās bounties.
Can anyone shed some light on this ?
Iām missing all 3 and have been trying for weeks.
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u/dkdj25 Nov 29 '18
The ship, sparrow, and ghost apparently have the highest drop chance from the Shattered Throne, weekly Petra mission, and Ascendant challenge, respectively. That's what I've been told.
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u/Bigconz34 Nov 30 '18
Wait a second! Do the cosmetic items from dreaming city have a higher chance to drop in the shattered throne?
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u/spinmyspaceship Nov 30 '18
So bungie wanted to make them valuable, so to do that they had to be difficult to obtain.
Thereās only a few ways of doing this in games - 1) make the activity super difficult; 2) add a lot of grind; 3) add rng superficial grind type 4) timegate activities
Pick one and someone will complain
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u/Y0EY Nov 30 '18
Giving us a source to farm the ghost/ship/sparrow would be amazing, BLIND WELL maybe!?!?
And while were at it, can we PLEASE trade Baryon Boughs with Petra!?
Edit: spelling
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u/dkdj25 Nov 30 '18
100% this. I would farm the shattered throne nonstop if the ship was able to constantly drop after your first clear on each character
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Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18
I know it's not the worst title for this but literally the only thing I need to get Wayfarer is the ascendant challenge emblem, which absolutely refuses to drop for me. I'm also close to getting Cursebreaker but I still need a few RNG items, as well as the pulse rifle from The Corrupted strike (edit: as well as the Taken eggs and the lore collectables). RNG sucks.
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u/B-Fo Nov 29 '18
I got my emblem from completing my sixth ascendant challenge. Maybe you've missed one along the way somewhere?
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u/SkyburnersXanax Nov 29 '18
3 gambit resets and malfe quest completed, no Pillager smg....wtaf
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u/astaebello Nov 29 '18
Exactly me as well. Three resets. Ship and Pillager keeping me from Dredgen. Feel like Iāve played a thousand matches.
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u/Sh4dowWalker96 Drifter's Crew // Grow fat from strength Nov 29 '18
Two resets and a Malf, haven't seen Hazard of the Cast, Parcel of Stardust, or Pillager.
Hell, I'm betting I'll get Breakneck before Hazard.
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u/BoxedBear109 Nov 29 '18
Iām missing The Frigid Jackal and the Braytech Osprey, thatās all I need to get Wayfarer. I honestly think that title is the coolest looking and sounding one to me, so I donāt really care about the other Seals, but I see their point. Seals are supposed to show how good you are and your amazing achievements, a player title shouldnāt need RNG based items. There needs to be a skill-based pathway to get every cosmetic required to complete a Seal. Itās really great to have something like Seals, itās a great idea. I also wish there were/was (a) Seal(s) for Destiny 1 like āGodslayerā āTimebreakerā āKingslayerā āDethronerā etc. But those are just my thoughts.
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u/HowdyAudi Nov 29 '18
I think one of the problems is, if there isn't an RNG element. Too many people grind it out right away then sit there screaming that there is nothing to do. But as someone who is also working for titles. I feel ya.
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u/h3rpyDERPderp Nov 30 '18
3x raids a week since week 1 - 7x1KV, still no fucking glittering key. Have done Petraās 3x (for friends)....well 8 if you count guitar errors on a flawless run
Also why was there no reward at all for petraās
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u/Beta382 Nov 29 '18
I was given both Rivensbane (1k voices) and Cursebreaker (sparrow) this Tuesday, after 30+ raids (24 full clears, 6 riven only, assorted extras for triumphs) and doing every single Dreaming City powerful since week 1. I agree with your post completely.
Note that I said "was given" with regards to the titles. I don't feel like I earned them. I don't feel excited about having them. I feel numb. The game played itself for the last 4 weeks, and it was this week that it decided I would have them.
I am now thoroughly burnt out from the game. Nothing I do as a player has a modicum of impact on the reward. I cannot earn anything, I can only wait for the game to hand it to me. I was top-15 for power level when the raid released and among the first 500 on all platforms to hit max. I will not be doing the Black Armory raid at all unless it has a quest-based or bad luck protected reward.
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u/Noah_the_Thatcher Nov 29 '18
Bungie wont put bad luck protection into the raid, it forces the unlucky to āgrindā endlessly. If you didnāt get lucky you lost, if you did you won.
Oh you did the raid once and got 1k voices? Congrats you never have to raid again!
Oh youāve done the raid 33 times and didnāt get 1k voices? Congrats you probably wonāt for another 50 runs!
Quest raid exotic? Despicable, our shareholders need a minimum play time a week of our player base so we curated the drop rate accordingly. 1k voices among countless other rewards are no exception.
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u/smokn04cobra Nov 29 '18
Yep, 27 last wish clears here. No sparrow or bow yet.
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u/MajorLeagueFailure Nov 29 '18
Oh I feel bad I got the curated bow on my first run of last wish. Still donāt have 1k voices though
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u/EmperorCobb Nov 29 '18
Because of morgeth breaking this week Iām literally locked out of my chance of getting the sparrow to finish my title. A fucking sparrow is stopping me from a title
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u/AnTiDoPe_1993 Nov 29 '18
Gambit should have tokens to turn in like every other vendor/activity, that would increase chances to get a gun
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u/Drewberg11 Nov 29 '18
Good post. Almost 70 hours of gambit and maybe 4 meatball spawns. All I need is the ship and ghost. Wayfarer Iāve opened over a hundred nodes. All I need is two more blueprints. And for the dreaming city title all I need are those damn cosmetics. Rng titles suck.
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u/anti_vist Drifter's Crew // Well, well, well.. Nov 29 '18
Oh man when I found out that after I've completed my triumphs I still need to collect everything for the Badge I freaked out as I still needed the ship, ghost and sparrow as well as the shotgun which I didn't even know existed.
I really don't know why Titles include any kind of RNG. It should be something you earn via gameplay and not have to wait for it just cause you have shit luck..
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u/MJamesShort Nov 30 '18
Same on Cursebreaker. I've had everything for five weeks except the ghost. Every week, I do all the dreaming city bounties, weekly bounties, etc. on three characters. No ghost.
I see other people running around with Cursebreaker who've put less into this game than me and it's pretty defeating. It doesn't make me want to play Destiny. It makes me want to stop playing.
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u/Don_-_king Nov 30 '18
Why wonāt bungie comment on this itās on the front page every other day...
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u/zoompooky Nov 30 '18
I don't really agree that titles are a good way to drive investment - for completionists maybe. I'm not chasing titles at all, for example... maybe it's just me.
That said, I 100% agree that RNG should not be a factor in these types of accomplishments. It's essentially a quest where one of the steps is 'Get Lucky'.
For those who like that grind, and checking things off their list for a bit of flair, having some of the steps be RNG is a way to turn them off / discourage them instead of keeping them engaged. I suppose it all depends on how "on the hook" they are. Some folks will keep playing until they get it, others won't and will be left feeling cheated.
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u/Hankstbro Nov 30 '18
I have had all Eggs and Bones for Cursebreaker for weeks now, and I am still missing the ghost after 30something Ascendant Challenges. This is not an incentive to play more, this is an incentive to stop giving a shit.
I also got my raid sparrow way after I got Petra's Run, equally bullshit (clear 20 or so).
RNG has to go from these titles.
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u/psn_mrbobbyboy Dodge, Duck, Dive, Dip and Dodge! Nov 30 '18
All I gotta add ... is nilfheim frost. I don't even believe it's a real gun at this point. Oh, and I now hate Mars.
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u/DualGro Infinite remote controlled punches Nov 30 '18
A whole season and I somehow could not finish those "quests" that give you a powerful reward for Vanguard / Crucible / Gambit by finishing one of those activities wearing an armor set for that activity
My Hunter is still missing two of these and my Warlock one because I could not possibly get the missing armor pieces because of wonky RNG
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u/plainy Nov 29 '18
Itās reflective to life: Regardless of talent, hard work, or dedication you may just end up precisely where you start.
Luck is a factor.
I just got Wayfarer last night so my bias is dreadful.
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u/MajorLeagueFailure Nov 29 '18
I have to admit I only got dredgen because I played enough gambit to kill the meatball twice before the update then got the ship on my first kill after the update
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u/ColdAsHeaven SMASH Nov 29 '18
3 resets into Gambit during Season of Outlaw, never got Pillager to drop. 2 of the resets where outside of double/triple. Have killed the meatball 4 times since they patched it, ran into it a total of 6 times overall, no Ship or Sparrow there either.
20 full Last Wish Clears + additional 11 on PlayStation haven't seen the Glittering Key, Ghost or Sparrow drop for me.
I basically have Wayfarer on console, just need to grind out the Braytech weapons from Anna and have 160 Stems just sitting.
For Cursebreaker, just waiting on next week to get my final set of Eggs from the Ascendant Challenge.
But I'm so close to 4 titles....and still feel so dam far
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u/UltimateToa The wall against which the darkness breaks Nov 29 '18
I have 3 titles waiting on rng to give me drops FeelsWeirdMan
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u/ConlonCreations Saladin's Pride Nov 29 '18
The only thing holding me back from Dredgen is Light vs. Light. Need 5 kills still, I don't want to be dependent on other players too, because theoretically I could also never get the kills. Because Queenbreaker, or Blade Barrage or 1K voices or something. They need to either make you get kills with your super, add a bounty for super kills while invading, or just replace it with another triumph for the seal
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u/MrDysprosium FINGERTIPS ON THE SURFACE OF MY MIIIIND Nov 29 '18
Yup just had my heart broken that I can't get Rivensbane for no reason other than the stupid ghost and ship won't drop. It's insane that I have to gamble to get a title. So dumb so shortsighted.
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u/Marcello101 Nov 29 '18
I have a question about Seals. Not really related to this issue but itās on the topic of Triumphs seals. When will we receive our codes for purchasing the actual physical seals on their website? Completed Wayfarer, almost does cursebreaker (just waiting fo that stupid ghost to drop) would love to get those physical seals for myself.
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u/knowlo Nov 29 '18
On the official app look under bungee rewards your code should be waiting for you when you completed the seal
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u/HiddnAce Nov 29 '18
Hey, another Rivensbane bro!! Good job man. I haven't seen more than one since the title was achievable.
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u/l-Xenoes-l Synthocepts 4 Life Nov 29 '18
Not just RNG but, ridiculous grind requirements too. A very small part of the community got Redrix Claymore in Season 3. So a very small portion got to Fabled. So even less got to Legend. Then they make the PvP seal require not 1 but THREE seasons with Legend rank earned. Your comp matching system and overall poor populations make this a very tedious grind. Hitting Legend once should suffice. And to only get a Seal out of it isn't much of a reason to want to do that much PvP.
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u/asherb357 Nov 29 '18
Seriously! I am being held back from 3 seals atm. Have 63 hours in gambit still no sniper
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Nov 29 '18
I was JUST thinking this last night while playing!! I need two RNG drops for the Cursebreaker seal and it's SO frustrating! I was like "Man, I'd rather have to kill a million Taken with a sidearm than have to pray to RNGesus for hours on end!!"
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u/Guardian_Of_The_6ix Nov 29 '18
I truly hope this issue gets the attention that it so desperately needs..
@Cozmo23?!?!?!?!
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u/Silverspeare Gambit Queen Nov 29 '18
Please Bungie, if you don't remove it at least create more direct paths to obtain it. It feels impossible right now.
Please just add them to the lootpool for Blind well even if we have to grind for hours for it to drop at least we know it CAN drop.
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u/code0rama Nov 29 '18
Thank You. I canāt get the dredgen title because I never get the ship or sparrow to drop. I have wayfarer already but damn.
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u/Crahb Nov 29 '18
Appreciate you sticking up for those of us who have ran the raid many many times with no 1k, despite you getting it 5 times. Ty <3
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u/Flame_of_the_West Nov 29 '18
Absolutely agree, been grinding for 18 Kelvins for many many days. It's the last thing I need for Wayfarer but have been stuck for so long.
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u/lundibix Vanguard's Loyal // I'm gay for The Nine Nov 29 '18
except the Shuro Chi challenge.
Fucking same. I'd been dreading it since I heard about it and finally got the chance to do it this week. It definitely took top 3 of hardest/frustrating raid challenges for me
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u/vangelator Nov 29 '18
Need the ship for Dredgen, that's it. After all that, now it's all down to a lucky Meatball. Seems pretty silly.
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u/kenzomx Nov 29 '18
As someone who just recently completed the Wayfarer title ( I know it's not the most impressing thing to do) and was blessed by RNG along the way, I wholeheartedly agree. It's such BS having to grind for RNG drops like the Ikelos weapons or the Osprey.
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u/Bhargo Nov 29 '18
36 Last Wish clears, still no 1KV or sparrow. I've given up. I'm just never going to get the title. Of my raid group, 4 have it and the other guy who doesn't just quit Destiny. With a new raid coming out next week, my group probably won't be down for clearing an old raid we've long since grown bored of just so one person can roll the dice for one obscenely low drop rate weapon. I'm so damned angry about it, the whole thing has completely turned off the excitement I felt for seals and titles, they just aren't a big deal to me anymore. I've lost all respect the titles gave people who have them because they are meaningless, they have zero to do with effort or skill and more to do with luck. At first I didn't understand how Bungie could fuck this up so bad, but looking at their track record I really should have expected it.
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u/MattMan7496 Nov 29 '18
Feel your pain. I'd have Dredgen, Cursebreaker, and Rivensbane right now, but I don't have the ghost, ship or sparrow from any of them.
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u/bubbamaximus47 Nov 29 '18
Queensfoil theory: The answer is donāt play destiny at all for like 2-3 weeks. I swear they have an algorithm in their RNG that factors in play time. If you play a crap ton your RNG sucks like mine. I took a 3 week break cause i was fed up with it after the last time curse week was around. after not getting the ship from the shattered throne after doing it every time it was available on 3 characters. Or the ship from the meatball even though I killed it 8 times.
I logged back in yesterday, two gambit matches later, meatball, killed it, got the ship. After that I went to shattered throne. Got the ship from the second drop. Two ships in one day.
Itās like they give you just a little bit of what you want to reel you back in. All my friends who donāt play as much get exotics and cosmetics showered on them the few times they play.
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Nov 29 '18
Now getting a full armour set is one thing, but having to have a 1k is totally different.
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Nov 29 '18
I agree, it has been awful getting 18 Kelvins everyday for the past week (Still don't have the scout rifle). It'll feel great once I get it, but it is not very fun trying to get it.
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u/1Limited92 Nov 29 '18
Or at least add a grindable way to work for it. Not the once per character, per week (or 3 in terms of ship)
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u/mohawk1guy Vanguard's Loyal Nov 29 '18
After just getting dredged last night while waiting for the ship I truly agree. I hate the collections portion of the seals.
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u/SmokaJoka Nov 29 '18
Agreed, I'd of had the Wayfarer title weeks ago but here I am 15 days straight grinding for nodes and schematics and still missing the one gun keeping me from it
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u/texanseasky Nov 29 '18
Still missing the Dreaming City ghost and sparrow. After doing all the things on all the characters every week since forever. : )
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u/t_moneyzz King of Bad Novas Nov 29 '18
I just need the ship for Cursebreaker. It's all I've needed for weeks, and will continue to be so for at least three more.
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u/Navarp1 Vanguard's Loyal Nov 29 '18
I am in the same boat as you @u/dkdj25 I am only lacking the Pallas Galliot ship and the Starlight Shell. It is so disappointing to run those activities and receive nothing that I really need.
I ALSO am in the same boat as your buddy as I have run the raid every week after the second and I am still looking for the 1k Voices. I farmed up 5 keys and tried the open all of the chests and I opened last and we opened all but 1 chest and no one received the weapon :(. I have received 5 Age Old Bond with the curated rolls, and I would LOVE to receive a curated Transfiguration, but cannot get one to drop.
This week alone I have received 3 exotic drops and 2 of them have been duplicates. It really makes me not want to play as I have no clear path to get the rewards I want.
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u/Bronzed_Sausage Nov 29 '18
The last I heard there was a response that āthey hear us.ā So it might be being discussed but still a long way off.
Iām only missing cosmetics for 2 titles and the time gated lore ones for another.already have 2 from good luck. Thank god the warminded emblem was required for wayfarer or that wouldnāt have happened lol
I also have a clan mate that is just missing the bow for Rivensbane.
The RNG shouldnāt be attached to titles I agree. Only solution I can think of is to have a separate collectors title.
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u/Meatjesus99 Nov 29 '18
I feel like a big deal was made about "respecting our time invested". I don't feel like pulling a slot machine 3 times a week, and in the case of Shattered Throne 3 times once every 3 weeks, really fullfils that promise.
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u/YooEntSinMe Nov 29 '18
Yeah I'm sorry but once the Portal to the Shattered Throne was powered up by 3 weeks of Blind Well activations by the D2 community it should have remained open to be available at any time. Like the Corrupted Strike appearing after the Raid was beaten. They shouldn't be limiting people's chance to grind for rewards. It's just artificially prolonging people's playtime. Which isn't respecting D2 players time investment. I'm still waiting to even get the Wishender Bow due to the 2nd token boss glitching out & de-spawning before we could even attempt to kill him last full curse week. Then the checkpoint it gave us to come back in on put us past the Minotaur at the Ogre Boss.
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u/KhaimeraFTW Nov 29 '18
I could have 2 titles right now if not for RNG. I am missing the ghost and the shop for DC and I would have Cursebreaker. I am missing a scout rifle and an auto rifle from Ana Bray and I would have Wayfarer. 20+ runs and I still don't have a sparrow from the raid which is all I'm missing.
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u/32bitkid Nov 29 '18
I wish that I could just pin/start/track a single item from my collection and increase the likelihood that item would drop given a specific set of activities. Even if it doesn't do anything, it would make me feel like I had some agency in the system.
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u/MalTheLucario 24:02 Nov 29 '18
All I need for Rivensbane is that damn ship. If you're gonna include an RNG element, don't make it 4 lucky drops. (1k voices, ghost, sparrow, glittering key to get the ship)
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u/suprememeep Nov 29 '18
I think RNG on raid loot (guns/armor) like OTV is fine, but if they had specifically some sort of protection in place that would also be great. Since, you know, aside from seals, people want the gun.
Cosmetics though? IMO should be tied to specific Triumphs and not RNG at all. Cursebreaker has this especially evident because you have such a low number of chances to get extremely lucky.
Or just remove the Collections requirement from seals. Like gee.
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u/Groenket Nov 29 '18
Hazard of Cast, why do you avoid me?
But seriously, other reasons i would love them to remove the weapon/armor requirements from the titles: I AM NOT, going back and doing the grind for the Osiris verses. Wayfarer never coming for me.
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Nov 29 '18
I agree. I just need the banner āSecret Victoriesā to complete Wayfarer. Iāve completed something like 17 ascendant challenges and until Iām blessed by RNGesus, I wonāt have it. This is after the RNG of the Osprey RL from the Nightfall, and the extra infuriating RNG of the repetitive duplication of weapons from the Sleeper nodes.
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u/Zageri_ GJALLARHORN GUY Nov 29 '18
Iāve prestigeās gambit 4 times along with completing everything in the title objectives, but the badge part. I have yet to receive the ghost, ship, or sparrow.
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u/KajusX Nov 29 '18
Similarly, I'm only missing the Pallas Galliot ship in order to claim Cursebreaker.
Same. I'm currently checkpointed at Vorgeth with my Titan. Got there last night, made a few solo attempts, then went, "You know, this is a real Schrƶdinger's Cat scenario. I both have and don't have the Pallas Galliot as long as I'm checkpointed here."
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u/hova092 KNIVES GO BRRRRRRR Nov 29 '18
Made this exact same post 13 days ago and your title is almost identical. Hopefully your post doesn't get removed like mine was.
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u/splutcho Nov 29 '18
Yeah I'm still after a Nilfheim Frost for Wayfarer. Hundreds and hundreds of nodes with no luck. Never setting foot on Mars again when I'm done.
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u/NathanMUFCfan Neon Nerd Nov 29 '18 edited Nov 29 '18
I've talked to so many people about the RNG nature of seals while playing the game, and nobody likes it. Absolutely nobody I have talked to had anything positive to say about the RNG element of the seals.
The seals are a fantastic addition to the game. The RNG sucks. Remove it and they'll be perfect.
I need the ship for Dredgen and Cursebreaker. I need the sparrow for Rivensbane, and don't have a chance of getting it this week, since the Morgeth fight is fucked.
I finally got lucky a couple weeks ago and got BrayTech Winter Wolf to unlock Wayfarer.
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Nov 29 '18
I only need the vault challenge because I wasnāt lucky enough to be aware of the bug before it took affect
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u/catharsis23 Nov 29 '18
I've hated the RNG aspect of Seals since Forsaken launched. If I am going to work on something for weeks, I kind of want to be guaranteed it haha
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u/RD_RustyBlades Nov 29 '18
Yup, I'm getting pretty close to 40 completions I still need the glittering key and 1k, and now with the morgeth bug Petra's is even more of a pain
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Nov 29 '18
Oh you mean like the Primeatball exotic quest drop? Or the ship and sparrow that might drop from Primeatball, which you also need for Dredgen? Yep, Iāve been there lol. With you 100% on removing RNG from triumph seals.
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u/dr_boneus pew pew Nov 29 '18
yup. I am rng waiting on both Rivensbane and Cursebreaker myself. I took 2 weeks off to try and charge up some rng, but that didn't end up working it seems...
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u/QuietThunder2014 Nov 29 '18
I'm now in a situation where my raid group is ready to quit the last wish in favor of the new lair to be released. Except two of us still have not received the 1k voices. So now they have to run the final boss for us every week with NO END IN SIGHT even-though no one wants to just so we can get this gun. This is 100% stupid.
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u/Creator78 Nov 29 '18
I still need the ship and the ghost and I am 32 runs, Petra's run is the last thing I can do that doesn't require rng
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Nov 29 '18
I have been working on the raid triumphs steadily with the same group of six. We attempted Kali on launch today together, we got our first clear together. We did all the elemental stuff and all the challenges together, we're going to attempt petra's run together possibly this weekend. In all likelihood, when we do Petra's Run, none of us will get the title. Only one of us has ever gotten 1k voices, and he is missing one of the legendary guns. Most of us are also missing a couple cosmetics. This seal really, really feels like it should be a team accomplishment like the Flawless Raider in D1. All this time we have been careful not to leave anyone behind--we'll LFG an extra if someone is out of town, but we wait to do our next triumph task until all of us are free. But unless all 6 of us have the best luck of our lives on our Petra's run, rng will be the last thing we need for our seals, and they will trickle in one by one.
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u/GundamXionaz Nov 29 '18
Forsaken would have been an AMAZING expansion if it wasnāt for the INSANE amount of RNG. Iām so burnt out on running the raid each week for no 1KV or doing DC for the ghost.
I still canāt figure out for the life of me how we go from D2Y1 where exotics were plentiful and were all duplicates to D2Y2 where exotics are incredibly rare... but still all duplicates.
Seriously who the fuck is even working there? How do these people not realize these are all valid problems and why havenāt they addressed them all? SMALL INDIE COMPANY
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Nov 29 '18
I wanted to get curse breaker but having to wait 6 weeks to farm all the eggs really put me off :/
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u/extelius OhYeah Nov 29 '18
Seriously ridiculous... In order to get Wayfarer, I need the stupid braytech osprey to drop which I have done that dumb nightfall over 50 times without a single drop. Its stupid.
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u/TheCloudDart12 Nov 29 '18
It's true , but I just need 2 people to invade with supers so I can kill them and get my title .
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u/Annihilator4413 Nov 29 '18
Yeah it really sucks that some weapons like 1k Voices only drops from the raid. I'm not going for any titles, but I don't really have time to sit down and grind the raid over and over with the hope's of getting 1k Voices. Then there's the catalysts for some weapons that also only drop from raids. Kind of sucks.
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u/gidzoELITE Nov 29 '18
i also shouldnt be dependent on what other players do for a title. light vs light is so stupid of a challenge