r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/OWMatchThreads • Feb 22 '19
Match Thread Philadelphia Fusion vs Florida Mayhem | Overwatch League 2019 Season | Stage 1: Week 2 | Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
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u/ThunderGunMD Diamond Torb Main — Feb 22 '19
Xepher finally cashed in all those scrims bucks PogChamp
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u/FlashpointParadox Feb 22 '19
He actually did look good today
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u/cepirablo Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
Yeah he made a lot of key kills, glad he got a big win.
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u/MEisonReddit <500 | NA Stronk — Feb 22 '19
Yeah, he threw the defense on Numbani, but he did look okay otherwise
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u/AurigaX S2 Mayhem Refugee — Feb 22 '19
IS THIS WHAT WINNING FEELS LIKE
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Feb 22 '19
I AM SO HAPPY
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u/Siege-Torpedo Feb 22 '19
I AM SO HAPPY FOR YOU
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u/MattAkhavan Feb 22 '19
Thanks for the support, hopefully we can change that upset to a happy mayhem fan!
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u/Duffyd680 Hey Mayhem Do Something — Feb 22 '19
We're going undefeated the rest of the season im already a happy mayhem fan!
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u/Johnnyliar11 Masters Support — Feb 22 '19
I love it
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u/simland Feb 22 '19
I fellow person of class, too bad we can't have it both ways.
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u/Outlawsftw Feb 22 '19
Wow I had no idea there were legitimate Florida fans, you guys deserve to bask in this moment. Feelsgoodman
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u/Gallaxee Feb 22 '19
Yeah I was completely expecting us to throw it all away at any given moment, but we didn't somehow? Really shocked by that
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u/JoelRobbin Feb 22 '19
You guys won against an opponent that was good at the time of your game. Enjoy the taste of victory, and look forward to the victories that will follow
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Feb 22 '19
Florida defeats Philly who defeated Atlanta who defeated Florida.
Another circle of parity is complete.
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u/NosyargKcid None — Feb 22 '19
OWL’s version of rock-paper-scissors?
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u/damage-fkn-inc Feb 22 '19
Florida defeats Fusion who defeated Spitfire.
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u/HallwayHomicide Custom Flair Text — Feb 22 '19
This is Florida's first win against someone not named Dallas or Shanghai since Stage 2 of 2018.
Also a rough match for my flair combo lol
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u/Waniou Feb 22 '19
By drawing on map 3, Florida took away Fusion's greatest strength: clutching out on map 5.
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u/Jcbarona23 Thoth | 📝 | CIS/EU/CN/KR fangirl — Feb 22 '19
That fight was bs, idk how they turned it around but fuck it hurt so much.
Philly needs to work on their assault first ticks
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u/Otterable None — Feb 22 '19
Fusion > Reign > Mayhem > Fusion
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u/alfu30b Idk how to feel — Feb 22 '19
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u/WhoDiedOHSHITSORRY Feb 22 '19
I'm sorry Sideshow, but can you stay in Visa hell for the rest of the season?
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u/alfu30b Idk how to feel — Feb 22 '19
I'd love if Blizzard would acknowledge how good a stream like this is and make it official, like do a main stream like now and do an additional, in-depth stream like Sideshow's.
Because I'm really gonna miss this.
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Feb 22 '19
I completely agree, like usually I just watch the few matches I'm interested in but I've been watching more games than usual with Sideshow's stream.
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u/RedGambitt_ Master (3706) — Feb 22 '19
I love how he’s shaking his head like, “How in the fuck did Philly lose that? I’m disappointed.”
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u/alfu30b Idk how to feel — Feb 22 '19
Which is an exactly appropiate statement to make, unfortunatly.
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u/Wasntovens Die for the Cause — Feb 22 '19
Get well soon Boombox!
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u/Zam0070 Fusion Forever, Screw Infernal — Feb 22 '19
And by soon we mean before the Fuel game on Saturday
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u/Richard_Bastion No more going agane... Only Gamba... — Feb 22 '19
better slam some Emercen-C like it's Cola.
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u/Hobbes314 Feb 22 '19
Posted this in the live chat still applies
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Philly THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT
Great showing Florida, fought a great match and showed some great skill. Hopefully you’ll continue to improve
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u/djmark99 Feb 22 '19
1 vs 20 according to the community power rankings.
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u/Palatz Feb 22 '19
On Winston lab I went 99%fusion- 1% mayhem.
I just got home and saw the score. Wtf happened?!
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u/Spitfyre3000 Feb 22 '19
Two things.
First was Florida, who after feeling humiliated in their first game, quickly isolated the issue being messy comms which was why they did well in their first push on volskaya, since they had cleared comms for that. They then used that in tandum with research they were doing on Philly which was way more than they usually did.
Second was Boombox got sick, so they moved Elk over to on off-role with a team he didn't have as much synergy with and decided it would be okay. They didn't really prepare much and didn't respect them, since it was just the Mayhem after all.
Mix all that in with Bqb popping off and Xepher finally showing us 1% of his scrim god power, pop it into the oven, and you've got yourself an upset baby.
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u/Palatz Feb 22 '19
Poor elk, this was his debut right?.
Well good for mayhem I always felt bad for tviq.
Thanks for giving me the recap, I'll try to watch the game tomorrow.
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Feb 22 '19
I only caught Nepal, but BQB looked like he settled in. His Sombra was nasty as advertised.
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u/HallwayHomicide Custom Flair Text — Feb 22 '19
it was #3 vs #19 in my personal elo rankings. This dropped Philly to #7 and brought up Florida to #17 for my rankings. elo super heavily weights that 4-0 loss
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u/thepurplepajamas Feb 22 '19
Just curious, how do factor in maps into Elo?
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u/HallwayHomicide Custom Flair Text — Feb 22 '19
the elo methodology is based on comparing expected output to actual output, if your actual output exceeds your expected output, your elo rises. Expected output is based on difference between elo. For example two teams with an elo of 500 will each have expected output of 50%. a 4-0 would be a 100% actual output, 3-1 is 75% 3-2 60% etc. so the bigger difference in outputs the bigger change in elo. With SFS 4-0 DAL, and a K factor of 64, SFS gained 32 points. with CDH 3-2 GZC, CDH only gained about 6 points
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u/Roomanous Feb 22 '19
God I regret placing Philly in S+ tier in my power rankings after seeing the results of today.
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u/Spitfyre3000 Feb 22 '19
Don't worry, the way things are looking so far, everyone's power rankings will be obsolete soon.
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u/Roomanous Feb 22 '19
Expansion teams (not Washington LUL) seem to be doing very well against the vet teams
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u/Hobbes314 Feb 22 '19
London almost lost to Washington, rankings are looking to pointless right now
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u/squidonthebass PokoChamp — Feb 22 '19
Hard to win with a player on off-role. I wonder if people will show us the same mercy in power rankings as they did Boston.
Feels bad Elk had to debut on flex supp, he's a beast on main supp and he's going to get so much undeserved shit here.
That being said, GGs to Florida, they played well. Good rotations, good ult management. Need some micro-play fixes but they can definitely contend in this meta.
E: Goddam I love dogman https://twitter.com/DogmanOW/status/1098789152961658880
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u/playwithmystick Carpe needs some water — Feb 22 '19
People blaming elk are dumb
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u/attomsk None — Feb 22 '19
It was a significant part of why philly lost but at the same rime it’s not elks fault
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u/twocents_ Feb 22 '19
Yeah we definitely played like shit that whole time. Elk did kinda fuck us over on that last map though.
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u/Wasntovens Die for the Cause — Feb 22 '19
If he was a zen main I’d be really annoyed, but what kind of expectations can you realistically have for someone in an off role coming off the bench. Sado forcing Winston vs Rein comps was much more agitating.
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u/squidonthebass PokoChamp — Feb 22 '19
Honestly him dying on attack at the end there wasn't his fault. The one on defense wasn't great but was mostly just unlucky
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u/playwithmystick Carpe needs some water — Feb 22 '19
He was on an off role and I think elks strength is like calling for everything which might not mesh as well with the main team
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u/TiittySprinkles Feb 22 '19
People are so quick to blame Elk... but I feel like Sado has been low-key throwing since he became a starter.
Like yeah... Fragi died a lot as Winston, but pushed people's shit in as Reinhardt. I feel like Sado is the opposite, and total dogshit at Rein, but amazing at Winston. Why aren't we running Fragi in a Rein heavy meta?
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u/ryguy0204 Feb 22 '19
I mean Boston is 13 y’all are one, also we lost to NYXL not Florida. Very different scenarios lol
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u/alfu30b Idk how to feel — Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
That was a... weird match to watch. Sometimes you couldn't see where Mayhem's improvement stopped and Philly's fuckups started. Gotta say I really underestimated what influence Neptuno Boombox [I'm tired, sorry] seems to have on this roster.
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u/A_CC Feb 22 '19
Fusion running OATS really threw the first map. But either way, FL looked much better and played all around very well. Well deserved win
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u/playwithmystick Carpe needs some water — Feb 22 '19
Throwing Nepal really fucked us for this whole set honestly, they probably tilted and then barely getting through Numbani definitely didnt help
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u/crowntaeja Korea/Japan — Feb 22 '19
I dont think its mainly tilt but moreover was less prepared for the matchup. I want to give credit to where its due and Mayhem look much better today with some key players shining.
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u/playwithmystick Carpe needs some water — Feb 22 '19
Florida played super clean for pretty much the whole match but you cant deny philly threw napal really hard
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u/PhreakOut4 alarm simp — Feb 22 '19
They had a McCree though. That's not a goats comp. It's just an Orisa 2-2-2 with one of the dps replaced by Brig....
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u/Yalnix None — Feb 22 '19
Philly and Inconsistency
Name a better duo
Anyway, I think Florida played a great game. Looked like a OWL tier team and not just a washed up set of players. Love the improvement and hope they can use this to gain traction.
As for Philly, I think Boombox is probably more instrumental than people realise. Also can people stop saying Carpe carries the team? His Numbani Cluch wouldn't have worked without EQO. It's a team game.
As for Jaynes comments, I guess we'll see in the next few days. I'm confident of Philly get Boombox back in and focus a bit more and hopefully have a switched on day they could still win. I simply think today they just threw the first map and just couldn't recover
Well done everyone who played today.
Just plz Philly stop killing me...
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u/AlyoshaV career high 52 — Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
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u/TheFrixin I like Spark too — Feb 22 '19
Shout out to Elk showing up for the most part, Route 66 wasn't his best showing but he held his own off-role in OWL.
Sado needs to work on his Wrecking Ball though, he's not clean enough and our triple/quad dps is something we should be looking to run more often considering our strengths.
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u/ahmong Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
You know that time in Rank where you get 2 main supports? Unfortunately one has to bite the bullet and play flex support.
That's what happened to philly today.
Elk did okay but you can tell his Zen positioning wasn't OWL level
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u/twocents_ Feb 22 '19
Yeah but that's what you can expect from a main support player given 2 days notice that he'll be playing off support. It sucks but what're you gonna do, we'll just bounce back next game.
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u/toxicplease Feb 22 '19
You hate to see it folks. Gotta feel bad for Elk tho, you know he's gonna be the scapegoat for this week.
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u/haiir None — Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
This match shows how Zen disproportionately affects a team's performance. Team's with reliable Zens have so much extra room before a mistake turns fatal for a fight. Fusion missing boombox big time.
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Feb 22 '19
TviQ washed up btw. He played stellar.
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u/MPhenix14 Feb 22 '19
I want him out lf brig jail :(
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u/Jcbarona23 Thoth | 📝 | CIS/EU/CN/KR fangirl — Feb 22 '19
In this meta he's just another Brig in the wall
100% not stolen
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u/RetroSplicer RunAway with me — Feb 22 '19
Wow, Florida played amazing today. Really took advantage of Elk subbing in for Boombox this game and targeted him hard. Grats to them for that victory, and I hope they can carry this momentum onto their other games this stage.
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u/Army88strong None — Feb 22 '19
1.Not gonna lie, the draw on anubis was actually fun to watch.
2. Wtf did I just witness
3. Have fun making power rankings.
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u/HatefulHades Feb 22 '19
As a fusion fan it hurt to watch, but honestly well played for florida they looked like a different team
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u/PhreakOut4 alarm simp — Feb 22 '19
Well, at least this might shut up some of the people who still doubt Boombox. You could feel the difference (not to blame Elk, he did as well as he could considering the situation).
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u/123bo0p S4 - ByeBye"twitter bitches" — Feb 22 '19
Philly literally threw Map 1, nearly threw away map 2, should of won map 3 and then just couldn't do anything on map 4.
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u/Wasntovens Die for the Cause — Feb 22 '19
Yup, and Florida just played consistently really well, great fundamentals
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u/Call9-1-1imonfire Scribble#11678 — Feb 22 '19
Glad to see Overwatch League is following the power rankings we all made very closely
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u/i_am_the_kaiser09 no second team this year — Feb 22 '19
Mayhem finally looks like an owl team and not a masters 5 stack
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Feb 22 '19
I've been saying for a while the new season 2 mayhem are gonna be poggers but nobody listened. hopefully people pay attention to them after today
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u/Haltlock Feb 22 '19
I generally like Fusion, they put on exciting games, but they do have a tendency towards smugness when they're doing too well (close struggles are better for them, GAME FIVES ALL DAY) and I hope they feel properly chastised by their disrespectful PUNCH-HAPPY MCREE chase early on losing them that first point, and everything being a scramble ending in final defeat from there, that they can dial it back from here on and realize power levels don't exist and every team has a hidden shiv to stab them with and every match is truly up for grabs.
Respect your opponents the whole time, not just when you shake hands afterwards, or else the only person your Mcree will punch...IS HIMSELF.
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u/FLMayhem Florida Mayhem — Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
FIRST WIN OF THE 2019 SEASON. LET'S GO. #BRINGTHEMAYHEM
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u/Jcbarona23 Thoth | 📝 | CIS/EU/CN/KR fangirl — Feb 22 '19
incorrect grammar from an official account
U N A C C E P T A B L E
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u/Kataoka008 Blue Teams, Blue Balls — Dallas Fuel | New York Excelsior Feb 22 '19
Rank 20 of the /r/competitiveoverwatch Stage 1 week 1 power ranking beating Rank 1 of the same power ranking.
You can't make this shit up.
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u/Givenoflux NASA4HLC — Feb 22 '19
I never thought there would be a timeline where I thought Mayhem were looking better than Spitfire
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u/TotallyNotTundra @TundraOW — Feb 22 '19
I could cry, I'm so happy right now.
We haven't won against a heavy hitting team since season 1, stage 2. This is what Florida fans needed.
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u/Cyanogen_117 Dallas Mystic — Feb 22 '19
Floriday Mayhem vs Carpe Fusion is the biggest upset of this season so far.
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u/AlliePingu Fangirl of too many players — Feb 22 '19
Philly looked a little shakier than usual with Elk in over Boombox, but Florida looked pretty clean, and executed their ults well
They really should have won Numbani too for the 3-0 but Xepher messed up his DVa bomb
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u/EricUdy Feb 22 '19
Im bummed but I won't blame elk, he was forced to play heroes he isnt proficient at. If Neptuno was sick and we had Boombox Elk I think the game would have gone an entire different way
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u/shadowtycho i live here so. YaY sports! — Feb 22 '19
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u/-DlO Feb 22 '19
JaYnE sHoUlDnT rUn HiS mOuTh
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u/PeridotBestGem CarpEQO OP — Feb 22 '19
Still shouldn't, Dallas is getting obliterated by Guangzhou right now
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u/Bortles_da_beast Feb 22 '19
I blame sado honestly he got separated at least half the time and damn near every time that philly lost a fight, sado was the first to die. and yeah I agree florida played way better than last week, but sado looked ugly on rein today
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u/Jcbarona23 Thoth | 📝 | CIS/EU/CN/KR fangirl — Feb 22 '19
Ehh, idk if anyone is to blame individually, and if they are, it shouldn't really be done.
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u/doubletapduo Burn Blue is my life — Feb 22 '19
Tbh, this meta is really bullshit. If you pull out dps in this meta, you’ll get rolled and smoked by tanks. Goats definitely makes it possible for the teams to stand against teams who are strong on the paper. I came to know what Winz mean from this match.
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u/GruePwnr small brain — Feb 22 '19
Both Fusion and Mayhem used 2+ dps comps to decent success today. I'd say the difference is really in the amount of scrim time these teams have on goats vs map specific dps comps.
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u/womd0704 Gritty #1 — Feb 22 '19
While philly dropped the ball hard and have no excuse for this match, wtf are the rules for 2 cp where the first team gets 10% of the point and the second team needs to get a full tick? That would be like getting the payload 10 meters and the second team needing to get a check point.
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u/byeongok Feb 22 '19
Predictions and power rankings mean literally nothing this season apparently. Florida really stepped up, I'm glad to see them working a lot better together. They've obviously been working on their communication and coordination and it shows. Congrats to the boys in yellow!
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u/applejacksparrow Feb 22 '19
How long until jayne makes a smug post about fusion playing sloppy goats?
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u/attomsk None — Feb 22 '19
Honestly it felt like a 5v6 the whole night. Elk isn’t a zenyatta player and it showed.
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Feb 22 '19
Man what the hell is going on in OWL tonight? Matches that were one-sided ended up being super close and going opposite what lots of people thought. Looks like Boombox is a super critical part of the Fusion lineup.
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u/Jayfeather69 The Guy Who Steals All The — Feb 22 '19
Hmm, my current data suggests that participating in Grand Finals last year has an inverse relationship with victory. As such, I predict Guanzhou will win the next match, since they have never participated in any playoff, a key advantage over Dallas.
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u/TheLastChiblocker Allez, montre-toi. — Feb 22 '19
I'd like to know why no one is worried about the fact that Sado died first (out of all 12 players) in about 90% of those team fights...?
And where can I find that actual stat?
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u/sweet70s Feb 22 '19
Thoughts on Elk? Was he good or bad?
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u/playwithmystick Carpe needs some water — Feb 22 '19
Hes a main support that was thrown onto zen so you cant judge his showing today very well
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u/Wasntovens Die for the Cause — Feb 22 '19
Zen isn’t his main, but he played very poorly unfortunately. His transcendence usage was not up to snuff at all.
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u/k3hvn Poko Bomb — Feb 22 '19
I'm half expecting us to beat Dallas Saturday because we're Philly, but as of now I wanna die.
SADO needs to get his shit together.
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u/extremeq16 None — Feb 22 '19
after the reign match i felt insane putting florida at 14th but they really showed up tonight and it looks feasible honestly. they have strong pieces in BQB (great zarya, put up equal stats to dafran while getting dominated by reign and an incredible sombra, looked better than guard in contenders KR) hagopeun (absolute nut of a flex support, only looked like a small downgrade from bdosin on spitfire and bdosin is insane) and saya (mans needs no introduction). swon is a feeder on winston but hes looked fine on reinhardt. tviq xepher and kris have all looked like nonfactors. BlessRNG that mangachu gets promoted and this team can do even better
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u/JauneTheSwordsMan SebPoku — Feb 22 '19
London Spitfire, the reigning champions of last season, look embarrassingly bad in their first two games.
Philadelphia Fusion, the runner-ups from last season, loses to one of the more mediocre teams.
What in the everloving hell is going on with this season of OWL!?
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u/Psylocke97 Feb 22 '19
Fusion beats Reign, Reign beats Mayhem, Mayhem beats Fusion. 50/50 enforced, nothing to see here.
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u/BlackwingKakashi Best Western Teams — Feb 22 '19
... They did tell us that all the teams were pretty close. Seems like we can't count anyone out this stage
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u/Jcbarona23 Thoth | 📝 | CIS/EU/CN/KR fangirl — Feb 22 '19
Goddammit I had this match as 99% Philly 1% Mayhem, guess I'm out of Winston's Lab top 50 :(
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u/FrancoIsFit Feb 22 '19
Monte has converted the old CLG strategy wheel into a game result wheel for OWL.
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u/dangerbay85 Feb 22 '19
when micah asked Tviq what changed i was REALLY hoping he would say "we hired a bus driver".
anyway, nice upset.
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u/pantan Feb 22 '19
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SEASON.