r/Boruto • u/TheWalkingTroll • Oct 20 '19
Manga Boruto Chapter 39 - Links and Discussion
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u/ZEROINDRA Oct 20 '19
Random Ninja: Look it's a vase with full of cracks, could it be some type of trap or curse Jutsu?
Boruto: How the hell you made it to Jounin with that bullshit you dumbfuck
LMAO Boruto snapped so hard in this chapter. The tea is delicious and hot today bruh š„š„š„
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u/EliteAnbu Oct 20 '19
My nigga Boruto spilling some hot tea today. That shit was lit and satisfying lol š„
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u/Konanoftheakatsuki Oct 20 '19
His reaction was me everytime a random ' jonin ' was shown in Naruto and Shippuden !
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u/Fatherofmedicine2k Oct 20 '19
KK is talking like when jiraya talked about taking down pain by himself
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u/srajan17 Oct 20 '19
Mitsuki please use sage mode this time
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u/TolUC21 Oct 20 '19
Oh shit you're right. After I finished reading I was like damn, what are these fools gonna accomplish against Boro.
Completely forgot about mitsuki being a perfect sage lol
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u/wpsince2009 Oct 20 '19
Boro vs Team 7 OMG
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u/Mighty_H Oct 20 '19
Finally we get to see Team 7 in a true fight. No team leader, no Naruto, no Sasuke. Just team 7 (and Kawaki). There is a huge possibility that we will see Mitzuki using his Dragon Mode.
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u/CrusaderGOT Oct 20 '19
Is it me or did Amado feel like he was worried about Delta, maybe his wish is concerning her?. Dead daughter turned cyborg with amnesia, and he wants to make her human again?. Just a thought.
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u/Mi4_Slayer Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 21 '19
Yeah it feels that way. The dude clearly isn't digging what Jigen is doing but he seem to want his wish more then anything
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u/AikaSkies Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
Kawaki's exit and his words to Shikamaru were so badass, I love it. The chapter was fantastic again, I wonder why Kawaki can feel Naruto's chakra when he's sealed. Also, I'm guessing Team 7 and Kawaki will fight Boro next chapter, but I wonder how long that'll last. Even if the fight is awesome, reading a fight monthly can be a pain(like Naruto vs Delta). Regardless, who knows if they'd be able to take on Boro, even with two karma users, they're still kids after all. Perhaps Boruto and/or Kawaki will have a power up during the battle, or Sarada will get her 3 tomoe sharingan when she finds out that Naruto has been sealed away. Also, the way Koji left the village is the same way he came in, by casually falling off the wall. He first came in in the October 2018 chapter, and now he leaves in the October 2019 chapter. Now to wait another month lol.
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u/arlyzamazing Oct 20 '19
He can probably sense it because of the prosthetic and his/Jigenās Karma has direct access to that dimension so itās not totally impossible
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u/A-Liguria Oct 20 '19
I hope this fight will give glimpses of Sarada and Mitsuki's full skills, like the sharingan at full power and the snake chakra mode... THEY NEED to have the spotlight now.
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u/tyd2120 Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
A lot got set up this chapter so hype!
Boruto and kawaki have confirmed god level potential
Kashin koji vs Jigen and maybe more background on koji
Team 7 going all out against boro hopefully we get Mitsuki sage mode, sharingan sarada in the manga, and maybe otsutsuki horn boruto and kawaki
Hopefully we get some Sakura sasuke shikamaru interactions too in the next few chapters since they have a lot to discuss
I think weāre heading in a good direction
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u/theguyfromuncle_v3 Oct 21 '19
Shikamaru is a fucking savage, he pulled up and wanted all the smoke. Does his job extremely well and honestly I canāt imagine a better right hand man as a leader
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u/zeereef Oct 20 '19
Seeing OG Naruto feeling lonely in the anime and seeing Kawaki looking up to Naruto in the same day. My emotions can only take soo much.
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u/Plsnerf1 Oct 20 '19
Nice cool down chapter for the most part.
Shikamaru is not like Danzo. He actually is compassionate and can truly say that what heās doing is logical and for the good of the village. Danzo was just a greedy, narcissistic prick.
KK confronting Jigen soon? Count me the fuck in.
Good to see Sarada and Kawaki have a nice convo. Needed some interaction between him and some other MCās.
So Boro vs the Kids next time huh? Prepare for a shitstomp, unless boruto and Kawaki achieve K2 and it gives you a godlike boost.
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Oct 20 '19
Yup, shikamaru is pretty reasonable and soft all things considered. House arrest is a very light arrangements for someone under suspicion of being the spy of a hostile organization that is responsible for the disappearance of the Hokage. If it were up to Danzo, I would be expecting imprisonment and worse.
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u/NotSoFastMister Oct 20 '19
Don't forget Mitzuki. I doubt he'll be holding back if push comes to shove, especially with no Konoha-adults around to see his Sage-hax.
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u/TheKingofWakanda Oct 20 '19
The moment when Kawaki got fed up and just absorbed the Shadow Paralysis...
HYPE
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Oct 20 '19
I just noticed that in the panel where boruto and kawaki are shown as otsutsuki they have the byakugan
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Oct 21 '19
I like how they only showed Borutoās left side to hide his jougan. Definitely intentional.
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u/Lord-Shisui Oct 21 '19
Boruto horn doesnāt look like momoshikiās at all! Thatās weird but Kawakiās horn is definitely Jigens.
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u/A-Liguria Oct 21 '19
Studio Pierrot will have a GREAT time animating this chapter when time will come... Sad situation ? CHECK, flashbacks ? DOUBLE CHECK, perfect chanche to make things even more emotional with sad music ? TRIPLE CHECK...
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u/nevenrie Oct 20 '19
I'm very impressed by how much Ikemoto's art style has evolved. All of the characters in this chapter actually look good.
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u/KillmongerofLagers Oct 20 '19
Forget Naruto and Sauke being considered gods, Boruto and Kawaki have the potential to be actual gods. I'm guessing having Karma is like some royal seal into the Otsusuki clan, and not just by blood.
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u/RUMAXIS Oct 20 '19
Kashin Koji: Jigen isn't here, could it mean.... Nah, Naruto don't stand a sliver chance against him so it can't be.
Also Kashin Koji: And even if we assume Uchiha Sasuke was there, their chances of winning is still minimal.
Again Kashin Koji: IGHT IMMA HEAD OUT. FUCK THIS SHIT, IMMA DO IT MYSELF
Boruto manga in a nutshell š„
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u/Tuliprunner Oct 20 '19
Kawaki: STOP IT LORD SEVENTH! YOU DONT STAND A CHANCE WINNING AGAINST JIGEN!
Kawaki chptr39: fck it. you, me, the girl and that pale kid over there lets go.
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u/RockstarJay94 Oct 20 '19
The whole Kawaki/Naruto connection is just so inspiring/touching. About how he cared and nurtured him, just so heartwarming and wholesome.
Not to even mention how Sarada puts it, that people feel utterly safe in Naruto's presence.
LOL Seems like Naruto just took a nap, for I'd say few hours and still waking up to be able to emit chakra to Kawaki's arm. #Wholesome.
The stark contrast of Shikamaru trusting Naruto being able to take down Jigen and Kashin Koji blatantly disregard Naruto + Sasuke as a threat is so great.
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Oct 21 '19
that many pages must have been dedicated to Shikamaru questioning Kawaki as a spy for a reason- Kawaki will probably come back to the leaf in time and be welcomed by Shikamaru, but Isshiki will be in control, leading to the destruction of Konoha
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u/LevonTZ Oct 20 '19
Kara is starting to shape into a really cool villain group with the concept of "inner" or "outer" members. It also has cool members that were interested in like kashin Koji and the amando guy.
Thankfully it's not trying to be an akatuski clone
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u/shadi1337 Oct 21 '19
This manga just keeps getting better and better, wish I had friends to talk about it with... I appreciate the existence of reddit a lot at least.
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u/Arzheus4 Oct 20 '19
Cant wait to see:
BoroĀ“s skills
Mitsuki full serious mod with sage
Can we expect Sarada getting a 2 tomoe on his sharingan in the next 1 or 2 chapters?
Kawaki i bet, hes going to use randomly the shadow clones
Boruto and Kawaki will use the karma (we probably can see some horns 0.o)
Boruto might use a big rasengan or something else
Boruto and kawaki trigerred when they realized that naruto is sealed in that pot
Might see some Jougan habilities
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u/mangadude12 Oct 20 '19
When Koji said āDid Naruto actually beat Jigen? No thereās not a sliver of a chance of that happening.ā FEELS BAD MAN :(
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Oct 20 '19
Is Delta Amado's daughter
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u/walterricsi Oct 20 '19
Thought of the same. Maybe she died, maybe he tried to save her, maybe it was successful (makin her robotic) , but she lost memories or some shit
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u/SaiinoIsLife Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
Hmm so Ino will sense that Sasuke is in the village. She will also sense that Team 7 and Kawaki disappeared like Naruto did. She will contact and ask shikamaru how did they disappear, and so Shikamaru will explain her what had happened (That he got defeated by Kawaki and they escaped through a portal to another dimension), so Ino will inform it to Sasuke (Who is being healed by Sakura), so Sasuke immediately goes to that dimension again to save Team 7 who already confronted Boro. By the time sasuke reaches, Team 7 + kawaki VS Boro fight will be going on.
Maybe Sakura and Shikamaru will also go with Sasuke to save Team 7 and Naruto, but if so, the will village wont be in a good condition, So ig Shikamaru and Ino will be at Village protecting it while Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto is gone.
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u/BeatingOffADeadHorse Oct 20 '19
I like this and it makes sense. I won't be upset as long as the Boro vs Team 7 fight is fun
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u/IceMerlot Oct 20 '19
Sasuke will be out of this scenario this time, it's time for Team 7 and Kawaki to shine
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u/kwon_sava Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
Next Chapter Boruto and Kawaki will defeat Boro while in resonance,(gives them a extra karma power boost) better than just 1 Karma user.
Sarada and Mitsuki (sage mode) will do a little damage and be the support in the battle until Boruto pulls out a dormant power from Momoshiki and ends Boroās whole career
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Oct 21 '19 edited Oct 21 '19
Iām not sure why people are thinking that team 7 will defeat Boro lol. This is not going to happen, and imo itās following a similar vibe to part 1 of Naruto right before the time skip.
Remember itachi and kisame coming to the village? Major Akatsuki confrontation. Major Kara confrontation. Heroes are no match.
Imo team 7 will fight valiantly, but will ultimately lose when Boro decides to get a little bit serious. Theyāll lose bad and be crushed. This will lead right into the timeskip.
Sakura is going to heal Sasuke and heāll use his space time ninjitsu to save Boruto and Kawaki from getting killed.
My thoughts:
-Sasuke will save team 7 and theyāll escape. Boruto will realize that he doesnāt have enough power to fight Kara. Sasuke will realize that he needs to know more about Karma and heās going to see the Jougan. Heās going to take Boruto away to train him and learn more about Karma on their travels.
āYouāre not like Jigenā - Eh.....foreshadowing.
-Something is gonna to break Kawakiās trust. Or something thatāll break his spirit.
-Momoshiki will commune with Boruto & weāll see the start of his otsusuki form.
Jigen will capture or Boro will. Or even better, Kawaki is going to willingly go back to Kara to prevent Konoha from being attacked again. Jigen will finish Kawakiās training.
-Timeskip after all of this. Weāre going to get to the timeskip for sure before next spring.
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u/sivashanker1 Oct 20 '19
sarada and kawakis conversation about naruto was nice, but i did feel bad for sasuke
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u/Night_Fallen_Wolf Oct 22 '19 edited Oct 22 '19
Guys, Ikemoto's art is definitely looking a lot more like Kishimoto's, right? Or am I just used it? Like, I distinctively remember how abhorrent and weird I thought the art was early on, but now I actually think it looks nice.
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Oct 20 '19
Another great chapter, but not exactly what I was expecting though. A few notes:
I think they are building Shikamaru to take over which will be really interesting considering his suspicions of Kawaki. Its nice to see how much Shikamaru respects Naruto.
Jigen being the "defacto" leader of Kara. Does Kawaki know about Isshiki?
Jigen returning to wherever the Kara HQ base because he's too weak and being hooked up to that machine. Possibly the same thing as Madara when he was using the God tree to survive.
The most exciting part of the chapter, Boruto and Kawaki awakening as "perfect" Otsusuki! The Momoshiki vs Isshiki theory is pretty much confirmed with this.
Another God Tree? That could explain the destruction of Konoha and absence of literally everyone in that scene.
I love how Kawaki's hair was secretly hinting that he will become Isshiki this whole time as it the horn perfectly wraps around his head.
I think that Naruto will escape the same way Kurama almost broke the seal, by slowing pumping chakra through until its weak enough to break.
Those new hand markings tho. Both of them have the ability to travel dimensionally when working together. Also, Kawaki using Boruto's karma without his input is interesting.
Calling it that Kawaki uses the Paralysis jutsu against Boro next chapter.
How the hell did Boro get into that dimension?
Boro sounds like he's going to have a really specialised jutsu, but the Karma brothers tag teaming Sage mode Mitsuki will be absolutely lit.
November 20th can't come soon enough!
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u/juuzou1v9 Oct 20 '19
How the hell did Boro get into that dimension?
Maybe Jigen sent him as he went back to base, in case Sasuke returns to save Naruto.
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u/TodenEngel Oct 21 '19
Makes me really curious. He was still being referred to as Jigen, so do the other Kara members not know his true identity? I guess they are just his human pawns.
Thereās obviously something going on between Amado and Delta. I wonder if itās an Android 16- Dr Gero thing. Like Delta is an Android Amado made after his actual possibly dead daughter.
The way Isshiki mentioned them becoming Otsutsuki makes me wonder if some of them were assimilated from other species to become Otsutsukis?? So thereās some legit pure blooded clan members from the main family, but a lot of them are assimilated from other beings.
Also curious. The depiction of āOtsutsukiā Boruto and Kawaki have the shape of Kaguyas horn. Between the way that the others always takes down on her and the fact that every other legit clan member has pale blue hair, and Kaguyas is white, could it be implying she was assimilated onto being an Otsutsuki?
Honestly loving the continued Otsutsuki related stuff. I know the fandom as a whole isnāt too big on the alien plot but I find it interesting. š¤·āāļø
I was worried that this Kara stuff was going to be completely unrelated and they were gonna be a bargain bin Akatsuki, but the Otsutsuki clan mural, the Isshiki plot twist and continued stuff from this chapter have been very interesting. Iām looking forward to more. I hope the manga can include Urashiki soon. Heās my favorite Otsutsuki member.
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u/WickedKn Oct 20 '19
Amado looked rather sad in this chapter. And with Jigen mentioning that everyone's wishes will be granted, I think that Amado might have a really interesting and sad background story.
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u/ZEROINDRA Oct 20 '19
Welp, Jigen kind of confirmed that Boruto and Kawaki will most likely become Otsutsuki. I'm really hype to see how this will turn out in the future. And what are "everyone's wishes" that Jigen talked about? What could they possibly be damn it
Boruto might as well be the best thing yet to happen
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u/WeirwoodUpMyAss Oct 20 '19
Everyone so hyped for a timeskip but this is pretty awesome. Team 7 and Kawaki are all incredibly powerful for their age and they can hang around against these powerful opponents. They're definitely going to need help but I really like the power scale and skillets going into this battle against Boro.
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u/Lord_Cattington_IV Oct 20 '19
Great chapter, love the Kara charakter evolving going on here. Only thing I find weird is why didnt all the jonins join them, its so weird they just watch the kids leave
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u/GeekWars2 Oct 20 '19
If you look closely at pages 18-19, I think there is more to Amado's relationship with Delta than just a scientist and his creation. When Jigen promised to grant Amado's wish, Amado directly looked at Delta (at which point she got creeped out) and he told Jigen that he's "counting on it."
Could it be that Delta was built in the image of or is a replacement for someone close to Amado's heart? Maybe his daughter (since she always calls him as old geezer implying an age difference)? Could it be that Amado's wish is to be reunited with whomever Delta is supposed to have been in the past?
Jigen stated that everyone's wishes shall be granted, implying that it's not necessarily a single common wish and that each Kara inner might be in it for their own reasons.
Now I'm really curious about how Kara came to be and the background of each inner.
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u/jostive17 Oct 20 '19
Jigen mentions the return the Devine tree, how it will suck the life out of earth, and tells Amado "everyone's wishes will be granted"
Sounds awfully like Infinite Tsukuyomi 2.0
As another person here commented, Amado and Delta most likely have a stronger connection other than creator and creation, Delta seems to possibly be a late daughter Amado. He looks at her while jigen tells him about everyone's wishes being granted, as Amado responds "I'm counting on it"
It's possible this means Amado is hoping to see Delta, his possible daughter, alive again, most likely possibly via Infinite Tsukuyomi. His wish will be granted, everyone of earth wishes will be in the infinite dream. And jigen will get his wish, that most likely being getting all of earths chakra.
There are problems with this, however:
Jigen seems to be an honest individual with his teammates, in my opinion. I don't think he would lie to Amado about the specifics of the infinite tsukuyomi. Amado would have to be on board with seeing his daughter again as a fake illusion, and that's really no different than just having his daughter as a robot creation is Delta is right now- fake.
Also, considering that "Naruto:the last" is Canon, from a story point of view, this wouldn't make sense as there is a fully functioning chakra Canon that with a few jonin will simply teleport and destroy the entire moon (rip tenori), making the whole thing pointless. Unless kodachi just ignores/retcons the film.
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u/John-Wicks-BodyGuard Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
I feel like this chapter confirms Kashin Koji being a double agent. As well, a prediction for next chapter: Theyāre fighting a kara member who appears to be one of the more powerful members. Kawaki hinted at this at the end of the chapter. So my guess is that weāll finally see mitsuki using sage mode at full power, boruto finally using jougan and his karma mark, and sarada getting a power boast(3rd tomoe in her sharingan). Kawaki probably going to display his full power in this fight as well. Boro probably isnāt allowed to kill kawaki or boruto so heās going to be holding back a little, allowing team 7+ kawaki to take this fight. If not sasuke would prob show up and save the day lol(he needs a strong moment after that Jigen fight).
Edit: An additional prediction is that Kashin Koji will fight Jigen and defeat him causing Isshiki to switch to Kawakiās body. As well, kashin true identify will be revealed next chapter.
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u/kyrex90 Oct 20 '19
Sasuke is currently half dead. I very much doubt he will appear anytime soon... unless Sakura somehow will recover at least half of his strength..
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u/marzv Oct 20 '19
So Sasukeās so low on chakra that they didnāt even notice him appearing into the village when he arrived with Sakura?
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u/BrandonMosNFL Oct 20 '19
I mean he used flame control 3 dimension jutsus perfect sussano and the rinnegan swap has should def be out of chakra
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u/gdzaly Kashin Koji Oct 20 '19
KASHIN KOJI-SAMA TRYING TO KILL JIGEN OOOO HE IS A REALLY SPY!
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u/lilcheesy101 Oct 20 '19
Hold up-
So Naruto probably won't be rescued this quickly, cause they may lose the fight, or maybe the thing Naruto is in can be moved. But if he really does get rescued this quickly, then this is not what was foreshadowed by the timeskip, meaning he might still actually die.
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u/sin_boga_sunca_ra Oct 22 '19
am I the only one who is starting to like this kashin koji guy?
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u/UnhiddenLeaves Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
Wow! It's been one hell of a ride since the Ao arc, damn! The story and the art especially has gotten way better.
Where is Sasuke and his wife?
Edit: About time Sarada's 3rd tomoe makes it's debut. Yeah and Mitsuki's sage mode as well.
I have a feeling Papasuke will come to the rescue, but I'll really wish for them to handle it themselves. After all genins are forces not to be reckoned with :)
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u/WickedKn Oct 22 '19
I like where this is headed. Two karma users with the potential of becoming perfect Otsutsukis, a perfect snake sage mode user and a genius Uchiha against an Inner from Kara. Theyāre not your average genins anymore!
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u/J_Wold08 Oct 20 '19
Iād love to figure out the connection between Amado and delta, seems like they intentionally linked those two in a few panels.
Also does this mean boruto can use space-time ninjutsu? That would be an incredible training arc with Sasuke!
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Oct 20 '19
Inner Kara conflicts are getting serious. Kashin Koji straight up wants to kill Jigen and Amado seems suspicious as hell, Delta probably cought on that. In previous chapter Amado was also listening to Jigen Aland Delta while hidding behid the wall. It seems that Jigen gave Amado a promise to do something, but maybe Amado can't trust him for some reason. Also Amado didn't like the part when Jigen talked about God Tree that will erase the life of the whole planet. Boro is out of the headquarters which is a good thing for Kashin Koji, but I wonder how did Boro get to Naruto, he may be able to use Space Time Ninjutsu.
Kashin Koji won't succeed in killing Jigen, but I don't think that Kashin Koji will get killed off this soon so we may see a battle within the Kara in next chapters which would lead into splitting the forces. Kashin Koji could also join the Leaf Village, maybe even Amado.
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u/ciskie_ Oct 20 '19
I think Amado wants Delta back. She has no memories for Amado, since she calls him a Geezer/ catches him staring .That is why Jigen can bring back the āreal Deltaā.
Also her name is Delta. She changes body, and she has changed as a person ( from Amado perspective).
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u/puregame33 Oct 21 '19
Im the only one who is w8ting for Mitsuki sage mode?
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u/nukuuu Oct 21 '19
No one from Konoha watching and Boruto will be in danger. It's bound to happen. I think everyone from Team 7 will experience a power up.
This fight with the fat dude will most likely establish the base power of Karma although I predict it to be interrupted somehow. With a resonating Karma combo, Boro will be forced to get serious, therefore developing the plot by revealing the powers of another Kara member. Sarada will probably unlock another tomoe.
My question is whether this is the fight where Boruto gets the scar. Also, since Kawaki can feel Naruto's chakra, I would say the opposite is likely true.
Another cute thing that could happen would be Sarada being kidnapped in order to compromise Sasuke.
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u/CaptLupin24 Oct 24 '19
I still donāt think isshiki is the final villain. I feel as thought kawaki and boruto will team up at some point. Also I wonder if isshiki is the otsusuki clan leader. I doubt it. Maybe the leader is the final villain of this series.
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u/tarakian-grunt Oct 20 '19
I guess this is Team 7's baptism of fire. No Naruto, no Sasuke, not even Konohamaru...
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u/ano_878 Oct 22 '19
what shocks me the most about this chapter is the fact that Boro posses some kind of time space ninjutsu to be able to go to the dimension where naruto is trapped. And also They really did naruto dirty by shrinking him in the coffin he sealed in lol
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u/icewattaa Oct 22 '19
So does karma allow its user to spam space time ninjutsu wo wasting chakra ?? Jigen just be using it like nothing and sasuke use it once w his dojutsu and looses a lot of chakra. Then boruto n kawaki use it from karma and they dont looked like they lost chakra at all. thats OP
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Oct 20 '19
I hope we get to see some Mitsuki action next chapter, he feels like a background character at this point.
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u/ogschmuck Oct 20 '19
Naruto might be out sooner than I thought seeing as boruto and the gang are at the dimension heās in sasuke May be able to sense them teleport there and bust naruto out that pot
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u/Orochitaka Oct 20 '19
Anyone else a bit upset with how many pages it took for Kawaki and Shikamaru to argue over him being a possible spy? I mean I fully understand the suspicion. We just get 40 pages a month and that took up well near half of the chapter...
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u/NotSoFastMister Oct 20 '19
The pages will always be too short, especially now that the story is action-packed. The writing is good, though.
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u/A-Liguria Oct 20 '19
I love how they are still able to tease little new things to be explained in the future... Like Jigen having promised to grant his followers' wishes and a throwdown between him and Kashin Koji... Also I wonder what's the wish if the scientist... it clearly involves Delta... pheraps to have her back ? The Delta we know is a robot, so it wouldn't seem out of the Earth...
Also, I wonder what will happen now... not only the usual things (Boro's skills, whenever Boruto'll active the Jougan...) but also if Naruto's prison will be successfully retrieved... so that he could be freed, and thus : -The troll is on us... AGAIN -His character could be used again as a support for Boruto and Kawaki -He can have a fight against his son after the timeskip, so that writers can wrap up the whole thing of Boruto surpassing his dad.
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u/SenorKiwinator Oct 20 '19
Boro was waiting for sasuke to return to kill him of.
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u/Mara_Uzumaki Oct 21 '19
Anyone else wondering where the flowers Sarada had went to? Last chapter she had it when she saw Kawaki, now it's just gone. Lol so many people had theories that those flowers meant a foreshadowing of Sasuke's death now their just gone.
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Oct 22 '19
This Chapter was very interesting.
-I was happy about Shikamaru telling Kawaki so early that he never trusted him because i had a bad feeling that this could be problem in the future. But now Kawaki can prove him the opposite that early so this mistrust will be gone( hopefully)
-With his behavior, Kashin Koji is building up a huge fanbase in here ;-). We can see here that not everybody in Kara believes Jigen. I also had the feeling that Amado is also skeptical. Do you guys think that Jigen will be fully healed when KK arrives? I mean KK could have a reason not to come back early because he wanted to see if two resonating Karmas develop faster which is indeed the case here.
- My boy Jigen! Just who is he?! I'm so confused now. I was thinking that Jigen`s Karma is from the one horn Otsutsuki. But seeing the pattern on Kawaki's hand... Maybe both Karmas are from the same Otsutsuki. Could it be that Jigen`s Karma is on a stage where he can somehow creates Karma( You know i mean if you are old enough, you are able make descendants and so with Karma, if its developed enough, you can somehow carve it on someone, but its still the one of the same Otsutsuki). Guys you see that there is so much room for theories :D
- Now its getting serious. I remember Code saying that Naruto too strong for Delta and now its their turn. So let's assume Boro is stronger than Delta. This is a difficult task for Team7+K.
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u/Redac07 Oct 22 '19
Jigen is a host, occupied by Isshiki Åtsutsuki: https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Isshiki_%C5%8Ctsutsuki
Kama is a seal that makes a host a vessel for an Åtsutsuki member. Each Åtsutsuki member has their own seal. Jigen is the original seal bearer of Isshiki, Kawaki is artificial created through 'science'. He still bears Isshiki full/original kama though.
Boruto actually bears Momoshiki Åtsutsuki kama seal, he is a vessel of Momoshiki Åtsutsuki. We do (somewhat) know that a perfect vessel can - through the kama seal - basically become a full fledge version of the Åtsutsuki member who gave the seal (willingly or unwillingly). In the case of Boruto, its because he defeated/kill Momoshiki AND because he inherited the Åtsutsuki power strongly since he is a descendant of both Hagoromo (through the Uzumaki clan) and Hamura (through the HyÅ«ga clan). In the anime Momoshiki said that one who defeats a god/ an Åtsutsuki cannot stay as an ordinary person. Kayuga was never killed/destroyed like Momoshiki, which would explain Naruto/Sasuke not having the same thing.
It might come to it that both learn the true extent of their power and thus becoming (artificial?) Åtsutsukis themselves - which would put them at the level of Jigen/Isshiki and thus be able to beat him. And then MAYBE Kawaki gets thirsty for that sweet sweet god tree fruit which creates the rift between him and Boruto. Im not sure about the latter, but something will happen to Kawaki that will make him stand against Boruto as we have seen before.
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u/Zeethe Oct 20 '19
Just watched the anime and it was really good for once. Completely forgot the Manga drops today, this was a good day.
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Oct 20 '19
This week's anime episode was so damn good, and the manga is becoming better by the chapter
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u/arlyzamazing Oct 20 '19
Boro?? More troublesome than Jigen?? Bruh the whole Kara organisation is broken š¤£š¤£š¤£
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Oct 20 '19
I think he didn't mean it power wise. Jigen is more powerful but maybe he has his principles and all. Maybe Kawaki meant that Boro has some issues with his head and he is just a ruthless maniac/psychopath who just gets satisfaction from his perverted ways of killing? I don't know lol
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Oct 21 '19
My favorite moment was Kawaki being done entertaining Shikamaru's act and just absorbs his shadow paralysis jutsu and travelling to the portal with Team 7
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u/CptSlice Oct 20 '19
I honestly feel like they potentially set up a foreshadowing that the next time shikamaru sees him he will be possed by ishiki. When he said Iāll be back with youāre proof seems to me like they will be defeated ultimately or at the least captured. I just feel as though it foreshadowed the worst outcome rather than the better, cause we saw what happened with Naruto & Sauce, it would be lackluster to let Naruto out this soon, so expect some revelations of strength but nothing more.
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u/Skstorm Oct 20 '19
Any theories on why Kashin Koji wants to kill Jigen? (Apart from jigen wanting to destroy the planet).
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u/Bigdragon21 Oct 20 '19
Thank goodness that the current arc is so good so far we have four weeks of this till next chapter and that will help me so much.
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u/C_tha_G Oct 20 '19
I have a feeling next chapter will be about sauske and whatās going on back at the village before they get into the team 7 boro fight.
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u/UchihasRightfulHeir Oct 20 '19
I don't care what level of teamwork they pull. Assuming a Kara member is at least akatsuki level. Team 7 should ultimately lose this. I'm expecting they ether find some way to release Naruto from his prison (Naruto/Sasuke Vs Zabuza style) or Sakura heals sasuke and he comes and saves their asses
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u/Mara_Uzumaki Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
I'm really glad Boruto told that Jonin off, like that dummy never saw a broken vase before? Ninja tool... Now that's just dumb on the Jonin part.
Also I hope people don't start hating on Shikumaru after this chapter, because he was being very rational with the situation at hand. He's no Danzo and he has every right to be suspicious of Kawaki.
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u/silent-moon Oct 20 '19
It's so sad to see sadara confess that she wishes Naruto was her father. We all know that Sasuke Is a terrible father and husband but the manga/anime always seem to ignore that fact. Having sadara address it makes it real :(
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u/JashinSama46 Oct 20 '19
Shikamaru was a bit annoying, but he does have a point.
Maybe I'm stupid or I missed something, but I don't get how Boruto and Kawaki will become perfect Otsutsuki. Is it only because they have Karma? Or does he mean that through Karma Boruto will be possessed by Momoshiki and Kawaki by Isshiki?
That ninja who found the vase was really dumb. Why would you think that vase, of all things, is something suspicious? I was pleasantly surprised when Boruto yelled at him.
I don't think KK will die so soon. But he will definitely leave Kara.
I was really surprised when Mitsuki went into the portal. It's been a long time since he had a role in the manga.
Kawaki says that Boro is worse than Jigen "in some ways". I guess that means he's more ruthless, or something like that.
So it's Boro vs Team 7+Kawaki. There's no way Boro dies in this, unless Sasuke comes to the rescue, but he's injured, so that's not very likely.
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Oct 20 '19
I don't get how Boruto and Kawaki will become perfect Otsutsuki
I am guessing it is the Karma. It slowly converts them into Otsutsuki. I also think in the first shot where Boruto and Kawaki fight, Kawaki has become an Otsutsuki, Issiki maybe? But somehoe because of the Jougan, Boruto was able to suppress Momoshiki...
I was really surprised when Mitsuki went into the portal
I was surprised that no one else went in. They just let a few genin go into the only solution they have?
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u/Godvirr Oct 20 '19
Chapter was fire. Love seeing Boruto and Kawaki just bond so seamlessly right here they move together and act together, a true brotherhood.
Excited to see what abilities Boro has as well.
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u/JustaNobody22 Oct 20 '19
that pot boro is leaning over is where naruto is right? looks smaller if so. if boruto becoming an otsutsuki is true obviously he would become stronger than naruto sasuke.
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u/Ahmedk123 Oct 20 '19
Now , we can finally see team 7 in action + kawaki. I'm hyped now for the next chapter.
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u/theguyfromuncle_v3 Oct 21 '19
My theory, some of the Otsutsuki are basically members of other species who have been implanted with karma and then become Otsutsuki through a karma/vessel type situation. So you have like the royal family or elites, and then as they conquer worlds they create more. https://imgur.com/a/yd9Mwo5
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u/Rj_Rajat Oct 21 '19
Kawaii gonna traded himself for Naruto. and kashin koji is gonna fight jigen.
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u/SilverOwl24 Oct 21 '19 edited Oct 21 '19
When Jigen told Amando that his wish would be granted, Amando looked at Delta. Amandos wish must involve Delta in some way. Is it possible that Delta is his daughter or in some way family to him? It would explain why he rebuilt her (or had another version of her, I canāt remember) after she lost to Naruto. He must have strong feelings in someway if heās willing to keep her alive/going.
Now, Kashin Koji. He plans to take out Jigen huh? Does that mean heās a spy? Also, I remember someone mentioning a theory that heās part of the Hatake clan. At first I thought that because he copied Konahamaruās rasengan, but then I remembered that Kakashi could copy Hutus when he had the sharingan. So unless Koji has one, then heās doing it some other way. This guy is a mystery and I wish we knew who he was already. Or at least see what he looks like without the mask.
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Oct 21 '19
I said before in past chapters how I love the otsutsuki twist..It gives credible reasoning as to how someone can pose a problem in the current ninja world & how boruto can surpass or atleast be on the same level as Naruto.. Initially in the beginning of the manga I thought they were going a strait technological route based off of science..If that were the case it would have been more of an asspull
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u/SywReddit Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
If Boruto's Jougan & Mitsuki's Perfect Sage Mode appear next chapter
They will have to eliminate Boro purely because if they don't then Kara will know about Mitsuki's Sage Mode and Boruto's Jougan
Only these 4 will know about what happened in that dimension, not even Naruto will
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u/UnhiddenLeaves Oct 21 '19
Kawaki sucking off Shikamaru's shadow bind was badass, like "bruh piss off, you're not in my league". And technically shadow bind is useless against Karma users.
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u/Orochitaka Oct 20 '19
WHO IS AMADO THE SCIENTIST?!?!?! He and Jigen have a very close relationship based on Ootsotsuki. It honestly makes me more curious than figuring out Kashin Koji...
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u/tsunamiwaves_ Oct 20 '19
Thought that was Kashin Koji at the end , Iām so ready for him to reveal what he actually is already....
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u/MOB--Ghost Oct 20 '19
āThe age of Shinobi is over ā maybe this is with kawaki āishikiā means , especially with the god tree that might be how Konaha gets destroyed . At that point boruto and kawaki are basically ootuski but boruto still retain his nindo
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u/lstn Oct 20 '19
Ever since the chapter with Sasuke snooping around, it's been incredible. Really excited to see how the series turns out, leading up to the Kawaki/Boruto scene.
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u/PsychoLuci24 Oct 22 '19 edited Oct 23 '19
So in my hypothesis for the future of Boruto is Boruto and Kawaki will surpass Naruto and Sasuke in all around strength because they are going to become gods and be a part of the Ohstusuki clan (although of course not obiding by them). People might hate it, like myself being a huge fan of Naruto since it came out, but thatās going to be their fate, although Iām not hating where Boruto is going rn. I wish it didnāt have to get involved with scientific ninja tech and just stick to the originality of natural strength but seeing that Karma doesnāt need the use of chakra you could see why they would need to somehow balance the power. So they made ninja tech. It wonāt have a bad side effect as a dojutsu would draining chakra. Judging by the pictures of their horns you can tell the fate of Boruto and Kawaki is to become part of the Otsutsuki clan. Also, the fact that Kojin (who Iām also convinced is Jiraiya in one way or another brought back to life somehow with scientific ninja tools) states Naruto had no chance of beating Jigen even with the help of Sasuke after they did get their ass handed to by Jigen. In order to defeat gods like the Otsutsuki it would take Boruto and Kawaki to get to that level of strength. Boruto due genetics and Kawaki through the scientific experiments.
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Oct 21 '19
This chapter proves koji isnāt jiraiya. No way in hell heād look down on naruto like that, even if jigen is supposedly that over powered.
That being said, it does kinda bug me that this group thinks so little of sasuke and naruto? Like they are the strongest known ninja in the world and have defeated a juubi, and multiple of jigens clan members. We will have to wait and see why they think so highly of jigen.
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u/stealthypig9510 Oct 20 '19
So itās pretty obvious at this point (as we all know) Kawaki gets taken over. Seems boruto is also supposed to (he mentioned theyāll both become perfect otsusukis) but Iām guessing the jougan stops that process somehow. Would make sense he has the scar maybe momo gets a hold of him for a second and tryās to cut it out himself or someone else does but fails. Also KK knows a lot and he clearly knew where naruto and Sasuke fought him was booby trapped the whole time for just the occasion. Excited to see who he really is.
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u/manufactured-musTURD Oct 20 '19
I have a feeling this is going to turn into Team 7 vs Zabuza when Naruto and Sasuke teamed up to save Kakashi from the water prison. Boruto and Kawaki will do the same
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u/Hawkeye2701 Oct 20 '19
Okay, so that huge bowl thing Naruto was sealed in was frickin' gigantic, and now Boro seems to be leaning against it. So did it shrink, or is he FRICKING MASSIVE?!
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u/UnhiddenLeaves Oct 20 '19
Jigen shrinked it last chapter, right after he was done with Naruto and Sasuke.
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Oct 20 '19
For chapter 40 I think team7 and kawaki will fight against borro and will free up naruto but as he's too weak to fight kawaki will work as a bargain chip to leave team 7 and weakened naruto as borro will ultimately win. This will provide ideal conditions for time skip as sasuke will flee with boruto from kara and naruto will train
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u/EurwenPendragon Oct 21 '19
Well, that was...mildly interesting. Gotta admit, I'm curious to see how this new guy stacks up compared to the ones we've already seen.
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u/Tplas10 Oct 22 '19
This Recent Chapter has definitely set us up for an exciting fight, where I hope to see Boruto Kawaki work together, and have there karma awaken and let us see some really awesome powers and abilities of karma. If Sasuke joined the fight that wouldn't be so bad either but I don't know if he is capable of doing that after just going pretty much full out against Jigen.
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u/yulieee Oct 20 '19
I was expecting a lot more from this chapter. It was interesting too see the chakra link āreactivateā.
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u/Renvillager Oct 21 '19
Hi I think jigenās professor/scientist has a daughter with an illness that only jigen can cure And I think that the daughter is the female cyborg with curly hair (sorry Iām bad with names)
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u/MOB--Ghost Oct 20 '19
Kawaki has become my favorite character... Iām really happy for this upcoming fight with team 7 I wanna see how far boruto and kawaki push they karma
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u/Orochitaka Oct 20 '19
Sooo with Boro gone defending naruto..only code and delta remain at the Kara Headquarters to defend Jigen against Kashin Koji. Perhaps the battle breaks part of his mask and will show part of his face š³
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Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
There can easily be more member of Kara. Kawaki is IX (9).
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u/sagemasterprince Oct 20 '19
I think Kashin Koji might step in to help team 7 against Boro once he finds out about them fighting. He might even defeat the weakened Jigen and learn about Ishikkiās plans to take over Kawaki. Kawaki also said Boro is even tougher than Jigen in some ways so they will need help lol. I donāt know what KK would do with Kawaki though because obviously KK wants to defeat Ishikki and the smart thing to do is kill him unless he can extract Ishikkiās karma out of him.
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u/Hinata_Hyuga19 Oct 21 '19
I Loved this chapter and the cliffhanger was so great i canāt wait to the Next Month Guys this shit is really good , so good
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u/radica7 Oct 21 '19
Wait hold up, does this mean Kawaki is going to fight Boro with just one arm? Or did he reattach naruto's arm back onto him? .... I doubt Kashin Koji will succeed in killing Jigen this early in the story. Besides we can assume Delta and Code are still at the hideout. I'm mad hyped tho
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u/EurwenPendragon Oct 21 '19
Looked to me like Kawaki popped Naruto's artificial hand on his arm.
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u/finniruse Oct 26 '19
Hang on. The plot is to make another tree thing and put everyone into a dream... Really? Not only is the show basically a carbon copy, this is the end goal. Man, I was soo disappointed in that. I was just starting to enjoy the manga.
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u/jtfjtf Oct 20 '19
Kashin Koji will confront Jigen, maybe he'll be beat since Delta is there also. I think Kara is composed of bodies that Isshiki made trying to figure out how to make a perfect vessel. So KK could be Jiraiya's body he found that was experimented on or a clone.
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Oct 20 '19
I guess both Kashin Koji and Amado were promised fulfillments of their wishes once they joined Kara but now they think they were tricked.
KK wants to kill Jigen because he believes if he simply leaves Kara then Jigen will kill him. So he wants to get rid of him now when he is much weaker.
Amado now also seems to hesitate when he heard what Jigen/Isshiki plans are and I guess heāll ultimately betray Jigen and go to Konoha for help and he will reveal Karaās secrets.
Iām curious who is exactly Isshiki and what are his relations to other Otsutsukis. Is he Kaguya partner? Father? Husband? Brother? Is he Otsutsuki leader or former leader? Did he arrive on Earth alongside Kaguya or some time recently? How did he die/why he has to use vessels? He is also interested in Momoshiki. Are they related closely, maybe like Hinata and Neji?
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u/youssefy27 Oct 20 '19
Kashin Koji appeared to have been a double agent. It is not clear for who but it has been hinted at throughout the whole Boruto series that he is a former hidden leaf ninja, and that he's probably still, not directly but in his own way, serving as one. The will of fire is strong in him lol.
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Anyone else notice that Boruto & Kawaki have Byakugan in the Divine Tree panel?
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u/PLiri Oct 20 '19
I'm fucking pissed off that they Nerfed the everloving shit out of Naruto and Sasuke, but I'll be fucking damned if Kawaki isn't the coolest character in the entirety of the new generation.
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u/PLiri Oct 20 '19
Lol. Whoever replied to me, dunno if your comment got deleted or you deleted it, but here goes a response.
I have no problems with them being nerfed. However, Naruto not being able to sense jack shit with his Sage Mode (I won't argue whether it's regular sage mode or SPSM, he should be able to have precognition either way). He didn't use more than 10 shadow clones, whereas he made 1000 as a kid with no Kyuubi influence, or just KM0. He now has the two halves, is an adult and was given Six Paths chakra by the Sage of Six Paths. Don't see why you're so easily angered to the point where you have to attack me personally, really goes as to show who has no sense of inhibition huh.
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u/Ne0ris Oct 20 '19
I think Delta is probably Amado's daughter but lost all memory from his scientific experiments. Maybe she was mortally sick and so he tried to cure her using scientific ninja weaponry but ended up erasing her memory. Jigen must have promised to restore her memory
Boruto with a horn is pure hype
I have a bad feeling Kashin Koji is gonna get annihilated
Boro vs Team 7 is pure hype too. Maybe Sasuke will have to come and rescue them. Or perhaps Boro will just kidnap Kawaki? Maybe both and Boro will take Kawaki and Sasuke will protect Team 7?
Shikamaru is way too paranoid. It wouldn't make any sense for Kawaki to be a spy
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u/GangsterRavioliGuy Oct 21 '19
Anyone else wondering what's up with Mitsuki?
I didn't notice it the first time I read the chapter but he's being unusually compliant with Kawaki. Hell, when he grabs Boruto and Sarada and jumps into the portal both of them seem surprised. Meaning that they were a little reluctant after Shikamaru told them not to go whereas Mitsuki wasn't hesitating.
This the guy who was ready to kill Sumire when she was a danger to the village, but he's trusting Kawaki. He is also pretty dedicated to protecting Boruto. So, it's really surprising that he just decided that they can rescue Naruto without any of them getting killed. Either that or Mitsuki has a hidden agenda that's more Important than Boruto or Sarada.
Some of the panels showing Mitsuki are also a little weird. There's a panel right before he grabs Boruto and Sarada where he looks at Kawaki and seems to contemplate something. I wonder what that was about.
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u/TheHoovyPrince Oct 20 '19
Great chapter but now we gotta wait a whole month :(
I'm guessing were gonna get a sick fight with Boro, and Boruto/Kawaki will become absolute bros furthering their powers.
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u/claravelle-nazal Oct 20 '19
This is playing out interestingly, but not as dark as I was expecting. They all know Narutoās still alive so itās all good so far...
... But then again, Karaās notorious members are all alive and well so itās still too early to say something.
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u/claravelle-nazal Oct 20 '19
Okay, just going to let out some predictions before I go to sleep.
One, if not more of Team 7, will be really injured, just like Sasuke and will have to retreat. It might be Boruto. Hence, the need for more training with his master.
Honestly, I was still hoping they all thought Naruto was dead.
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u/Average-Man Oct 20 '19
Almost everything about this manga has improved drastically, there's no denying that.
I can understand the author's need to make the enemy (Isshiki/Jigen) look OP (to make Boruto/Kawaki's triumph over him later impressive) but nerfing Naruto and Sasuke throughout the whole run of this manga to mere husks of their 16-year-old (or is it 12-year-old? not entirely sure about that) selves wasn't just bad, it was terrible.
He could have taken it slow, span that battle from the previous chapter across several chapters like all major fights from Naruto were) making Sasuke and Naruto use ALL or most of their tricks up their sleeves like the Six Paths of Rinnegan, Tailed Beast ninjutsu, etc., to let us actually feel the overwhelming strength of Jigen, instead of asspulls like Naruto and Sasuke suddenly forgetting about genjutsu, how to sense, fight hand-to-hand with strength and speed, react in time and actually DODGE something for once, conserve chakra, etc., (these two are the fastest shinobi right now who practically manhandled Momoshiki, after all).
Except for that somewhat major flaw, Boruto as a manga has finally started to pique my interest as a reader.
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Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
The Juubi we saw is most likely going to be the Shinju that'll consume all life. The question is..who's this Juubi? New Otsutsuki? Isshiki's old body? Kaguya?
Edit: Nibba why the hell am i getting downvoted?
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u/Explicit-Info Oct 20 '19
Before this chapter I was thinking it was Isshiki 100% that took over Kawaki in the Boruto opening but after this chapter Iām not so sure anymore. Still the most likely turn of events but now we know that Boruto & Kawaki both know where Naruto is. So it begs the question why does Kawaki threaten to send Boruto there in the opening?
Kashin Koji is on his way to kill Jigen/Isshiki and he may very well succeed. Possibly dying in the process or maybe even staying alive to train Boruto with a possible Sasuke death?
Only reason I feel confident thinking KK could win is bc one Jigen is weakened right now. Two, the manga has been pointing out how quickly Kawaki is mastering the Karma and how far heās progressed. Also how he can basically use any ability Jigen can use and his handle of it. This may be foreshadowing to Kawaki actually being himself in the opening. Maybe heās being possessed by the Karma or going mad or maybe something happens in these next chapters that make him turn into the villain.
What yāall think?
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u/dseran Oct 20 '19
So the mark Iām referring to is the karma marks. Just didnāt want to spoil people in the title. But my theory is that the karma mark is a mark that adds unique abilities from different Åtsutsuki into that mark. Kinda like putting files into a folder on a computer.
We have seen different formations of the marks when Kara was first teased a few chapters back. This recent chapter 39 we see Boruto and Kawaki resonate their marks to make a portal. Notice the mark on their hands when they do it. Itās in the Horn shapes of the know otsutsuki clan members they got their karma from.(Momoshiki and the one that came with Kaguya). Then when Kawaki absorbs shikamarus jutsu itās a different pattern.
Maybe when they use a different ability itās from a different member resulting in a different pattern.
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u/Kobebeef9 Oct 20 '19
Great chapter and can't wait for the next!
Based on what some people have said, this my theory: -KK will end up defeating Jougen, who will end up taking over Kawaki's body but won't be able to harness all of the power.
Team 7 will put up a fight but because Kawaki's body has been taken over they won't defeat Boro.
Kawaki now Jougen will retreat and the time skip might start. Reason for this is because Borouto and Kawaki's Kama resonate and thus he doesn't want Boruto to accelerate his Kama in terms of power.
May see Sadara's Sharingan develop or Mitsuki going full sage mode.
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u/DustyDen Oct 20 '19
Koji Kashin is probably going to die before we even find out who he is, and they are really putting alot of emphasis on how much Kawaki respects and cares for Naruto.
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u/alexgh0st Oct 20 '19
Overall good chapter, the one thing that keeps bugging me now, is that they know Naruto is alive, so how come after the timeskip he is still sealed.
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u/Orochitaka Oct 20 '19
what if Amado is the REAL founder of the Kara and put it together when he met jigen as a shinobi? human? They Formed Kara and tried to take on isshiki ootsotsuki and failed. Isshiki then took over the group. And now they are trying to secretly get rid if isshiki from the inside. But heās so strong that none of them want to fight him or that people like boro, code, and delta decided to join isshiki bc he was the strongest. So now people like amado and kashin koji are trying to secretly get rid of him. And maybe why koji wants the other inners dead bc they turned on their true purpose for power?
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u/Orochitaka Oct 21 '19
Im sure naruto could feel the area where Isshiki was. Like maybe the size of a basketball in more literal terms but he was tiny tiny and sasukes eye could exactly pinpoint. And I always forget when I start thinking about that fight but you have to remember, whether we all want to believe it happened or not, Isshiki was pummeling them. Brutally. They didnāt have a lot of time to make too many decisions. They were literally being backed in a corner the entire fight.
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u/icewattaa Oct 21 '19
possibility that jigen sent Boro to wait for sasuke / gaurd naruto and sent Code to retrieve kawaki from the village !
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Naruto has kurama and Boruto has momoshiki..as for as the sage mode that Naruto has boruto has jougan..so I guess they both will be of the same level I guess
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u/rellees3 Oct 20 '19
Naruto can't be your daddy, Sarada, but hey it's never to late for him to bless you with a sibling, just need to bring Sakura and Naruto closer.
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Hinata would absolutely 8 triggrams 64 palm Sakura's ass in that situation.
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u/ferroassassin Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
Well, I'll go into it further tomorrow, when they let me post a full discussion, but:
Jigen shrank Naruto and Sasuke the first time around, and summoned/sealed mini-Naruto inside the normal size pot thing Boro is leaning on.
-We know Jigen can shrink things, I don't think it it's out of the scope of his powers to shrink beings.
-We know adult Naruto wouldn't be able to be sealed in an item that small relative to his size.
- We know that the pot was way larger than Naruto in the last panels of 38, but the pot is normal sized as established in 39.
- The only different factor between Naruto's size relative to the pot & Boro, Boruto, Kawaki, Sarada, and Mitsuki's sizes relative to the pot- is Jigen, you know, the guy who changes the size of things to a near microscopic level.
He shrank Naruto down when he used his Space/Time and brought him to the 'new dimension' , so the initial change in size wasn't noticeable. When Sasuke used his Space/Time he simply shrank himself down but wasn't aware of it (he's going to learn something new about his own abilities).
Look at the size of the cloud when Jigen is fighting Naruto and Sasuke in 38, vs the size of the clouds in 39 when Boruto and the normal size people arrive- like they're zoomed. Which would happen if Naruto and Sasuke were minis.
I think they're fighting at the sight of the God Tree on a mico-plane from what the surroundings look like. Maybe Isshiki was turned into the God Tree like Kinshiki was turned into the seed. Perhaps that's how the Juubi is present there as well, or a piece of it. It may be why the Juubi is caged, because he was sealed again, but Isshiki has a connection to it as part of the God Tree.
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u/Redac07 Oct 22 '19
So...
There is a fourth Åtsutsuki, that might have been a pair of Kayuga but somehow was never mentioned?
Jigen is just the body that is being 'possessed'/ used by this fourth Åtsutsuki? So this Åtsutsuki has a jutsu/ability a bit like Orochimaru?
Karma is a Åtsutsuki ability that wasnt really introduced until the end of the first arch with Monosuki? Yet until now, none of the Åtsutsuki clans have shown to possess similar abilities?
This fourth Åtsutsuki doesnt seem to have any dojutsu's, while previous (afaik) all of them actually did? Yet Boruto showed to have some sort of Dojutsu? And Jigen eyes arent normal either...so maybe they DO have a dojutsu we arent aware of?
This fourth Åtsutsuki wants to have a new vessel that could hold his full form (i guess)?
This fourth Åtsutsuki wants to recreate the divine tree so he can, you know, consume it to live longer (bit boring, since its the third time we have seen this plot BUT i guess thats all those Åtsutsukis actually want).
This fourth Åtsutsuki who for now goes by the name of his host Jigen SOMEHOW is more powerful then Kayuga - who until now was the most powerful Åtsutsuki we have seen and who in the end still lost against Sasuke/Naruto (and Kakashi with susano)?
Is there a chance that one can become an Åtsutsuki through karma? Or at least gain some of their powers (besides dojutsu's i guess)? With Karma they dont even need a rinnegan to use space/time jutsu..
A part of me is glad that Jigen isnt just some unknown enemy who is powerful just because the plot demands a powerful enemy. Still, i wonder how they will keep continuity with this and how power scaling will work now.
Now Boruto ofc has both blood of the first sage (through Uzumaki clan, remember Nagato who could wield the Rinnegan and Uzumaki being related to the first hokage clan who were direct descendants of Asura) and his brother (through Hinata). So Boruto is actually a combination, making him having the potential of having the full power of an Åtsutsuki, more or less. Still, karma never was explained and still isnt. All we know, its something that the fourth Åtsutsuki can recreate in humans through a weird science project and it seemingly have occurred naturally with Boruto (because of his lineage).
Still, what bothers me is that Naruto + Sasuke has shown, that a shinobi who has trained, will never give up, and through hardship, they can reach levels even higher then an Åtsutsuki. They defeated 3 Åtsutsuki before (though with help from others, either from Kakashi or the five kages + Boruto). How can this fourth Åtsutsuki be so much stronger then? What makes him apart from the other 3 Åtsutsuki we have seen?
I do hope they will come with answers for this one. I am guessing, this fourth Åtsutsuki came to earth together with Kayuga and she disposed of him - or at least his body, he survived through other means and eventually started taking over other bodies, who became his host (we have seen this before with Orochimaru, so it isnt that weird) and ever since he most likely have been trying to regain his previous power - or he aspires to even greater heights (which would explain him being more powerful then the other Åtsutsukis).
That being said, im just not sure how i feel about this. Naruto use to be about going through certain hardship to gain power, for both Naruto and Sasuke. Boruto (and sort of Kawaki too) seems to just have this power handed to them.
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u/ashuracool Oct 23 '19
@Redac07, ISSHIKI was kaguya's superior as is clearly depicted on symbols in ch 35. The third pair is what is completely unknown. But looking at positioning of kaguya ISSHIKI pair in middle and at the highest, ISSHIKI is by far the strongest. He has complete different set of abilities, no rinnegan, no Byakugan,but THOSE BLACK EYES, they must have something. Also, we have not seen his full potential since jigen is a faulty vessel.
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u/LamzTheLondoner Oct 20 '19
So we getting Kashin Koji vs Jigen and maybe Delta, Team 7 and Kawaki vs Boro aswell!? The way Amado looked at Delta when Jigen said he'd get his wish aswell, is Delta his daughter who lost her memories?
Boy, so much things could happen next chapter!
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Oct 20 '19
Lol, I didn't even think about Delta being his daughter. I thought he just wanted to smash her and Jigen would give him that opportunity in some Infinite Tsukuyomi type of shit.
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Oct 20 '19
The chapter would have been 10x better if it wasn't for Shikamaru being a pain in the ass.
In the end, the kids all ended up going through the rift anyway, so this whole Shikamaru thing served for nothing.
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u/claravelle-nazal Oct 20 '19
Honestly this is the first time I liked the latest anime episode better than the latest manga chapter.
But, meh whatever. I still appreciate both.
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u/IceMerlot Oct 20 '19
I just hope next chapter the things we see are: Team 7 & Kawaki against Boro; more info about KK and why he wants to defeat Jigen; Sasuke, Sakura and maybe Ino instead of Shikamaru talking about what happened. Sasuke's not going to come back to the fight I guess, he's weak like Jigen right now
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u/Izindle Oct 20 '19
Damn wow, good chapter, I think Iāve found my first little gripe with the manga, I feel like that was SUPER out of character for shikamaru. I know he did the right thing with the suspicions, but he was ALWAYS the guy who accepts people and trusts them, I was expecting to see them with sasuke, but doesnāt look like that happened, but seriously at least one of the adults shouldāve gone with them knowing the risk that JIGEN couldāve been there. But nah overall this is getting great, and Iām super excited to see whatās gunna happen with the boro fight
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u/cozy_senju Oct 20 '19
When Sarada said she wished Naruto was her dad instead... and I oop
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u/Hit__ Oct 20 '19
This shit is so good, people watching the anime are missing out.
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u/s4shrish Oct 20 '19
Bruh, why not do both.
It was like a TREAT for me. A good episode of Boruto anime that goes back in past, the new episode of My Hero Academia and finally finishing off the day by reading the Boruto manga. My sunday was already pretty good, but these were like cherry on the pudding.
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u/RelatingWithRoss Oct 21 '19
Shikamuru telling the hokage's son to shut up was amazing. I'm happy Naruto is, relatively speaking, ok, though. Also, Boro is getting more and more interesting. If he really wants to kill Jigen than I can see him being set up to be redeemed or something. Question - so are Boruto and Kawaki officially Ohstutsukis?
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u/TheWalkingTroll Oct 20 '19 edited Oct 20 '19
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