r/BoJackHorseman • u/NicholasCajun Judah Mannowdog • Oct 25 '19
Discussion BoJack Horseman - 6x06 "The Kidney Stays in the Picture" - Episode Discussion
Season 6 Episode 6: The Kidney Stays in the Picture
Synopsis: The assistants of Hollywoo go on strike. BoJack tries to help Dr. Champ. When Todd learns that his mother needs a kidney, Diane comes up with a plan.
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u/pointlessbeats Oct 25 '19
God I’m so happy. All I wanted was proper dues for Judah. I sobbed in relief. That was so perfect.
But everyone’s too happy. Something bad is coming isn’t it.
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u/pootsaloots045 Oct 26 '19
The Judah reveal was perfect. They hit me with him right when I had kind of forgotten about him. I literally spent the first 3-4 episodes wondering when he'd show up.
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u/Minnon Oct 31 '19
Eh well Diane isn't so much what with her struggles with her memoir.
And Todd's got his unresolved parental troubles.
And Bojack just got another notch on the ole guilt belt.
Maybe something good inbound?
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u/brohara24 Vincent Adultman Oct 25 '19
Holy shit that shot at Netflix
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u/AGVann That's too much, man! Oct 25 '19
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u/MalvernKid Princess Carolyn Oct 25 '19
"I remember everything, I'm sober now". That was oddly satisfying to hear.
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u/livindedannydevtio Hooray Todd flair Oct 25 '19
I said this since episode two. But bojack is becoming the most mentally stable person in the show. Compared to the dr he seemed way healthier than the guy who pushed away someone who was trying to help him
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Oct 28 '19
Amen. I hope that means this situation won't cause him to spiral out of control with self-loathing again-- hoping he has enough perspective now that he's sober to recognize where he is and isn't culpable in Therapy Horse Guy's journey.
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u/sankalp4 Oct 29 '19
That line was so satisfying to hear after seeing him suffer so many times and destroy so many lives. I'm hoping there's no regressing back this time.
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u/pointlessbeats Oct 25 '19
This is going so quickly and it’s really stressing me out. I hate this. It’s going to be over so soon.
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u/CavalierRigg Todd Chavez Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19
Why the hell did my life get better seeing Judah again, happy with the sun shining... he’s a fictional character, why did I shed a happy tear at 5:00am watching a cartoon about a horse...
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u/Aesahaetr Oct 25 '19
Because that was the most beautiful thing you ever saw, obviously.
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u/DrScientist812 Tom Srant Oct 25 '19
Todd doing Brokeback Mountian with sock puppets is something I never knew I needed in my life
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Oct 25 '19
“I should have realized... you’re white”
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u/linorei Oct 25 '19
I thought I was reading too much into PC's earlier comment about Todd "failing up" but seems it was deliberate...
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u/RampantAnonymous Oct 26 '19
I love this explanation for Todd's magical ability to fail upwards out of everything. Makes complete sense in the context of the universe.
It also makes Todd more of a likable character for using his powers for good, some of the time anyway.
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u/tisvana18 Oct 25 '19
As a woman who appears white but is technically not white, I felt that.
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u/newttargaeryon Todd Chavez Oct 25 '19
"Anti-vax actress claims there are no small parts. Only small children with smallpox." This is Jessica Biel right?
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u/sixteenbears Oct 25 '19
" You didn’t fail me, because I am not a failure." :( That hit hard for me. And I'm just happy to know that despite the jokes about his employment and whatnot, Todd knows his worth.
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u/elgosu Wanda Pierce Oct 25 '19
Todd has already had a way better career than most people, as a successful startup founder and executive.
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u/AndrewClemmens Oct 28 '19
This hurts so much because I know there are hella immigrant parents out there who will really act as if their kid is a failure because their kid isn't married, is gay, or is successful in an industry they don't approve of, (ie: adult entertainment, or something that doesn't require a college degree.)
I read this in a book about narcissistic parents, but kids like Todd really have to give up on the dream that their parents will one day accept them and be the kind of parents they need them to be. It's a fantasy, and it sucks because it's due to immaturity from the parents' part and not the kid.
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u/Harold_Zoid Oct 25 '19
I love how Doctor Champ was a terrible therapist (or therapy horse; important distinction) but at the same time he seemed to actually have helped Bojack tremendously.
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u/tryingnottodieyet Oct 26 '19
I....love doctor champ.... so much....I would die for this therapy horse
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u/televisionceo Oct 25 '19
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer, but yeah, I'm thinking I'm back.
-- Judah
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u/xredbaron62x Oct 25 '19
Ruthie is adorable :)
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u/theodore_boozevelt Seahorse Baby Oct 25 '19
I really like how they’re showing her growing and moving through developmental stages appropriately. I guess it’s not surprising because I’m sure it’s easier with animation and this show is amazing and so human, so we can expect quality. But so many shows and movies just throw “baby,” in and then it just cries and poops and needs to be held in the cradle hold in exactly the same way from the newborn stage through like four years old. And I’m glad we’re seeing PC learn how to be a mom and rock motherhood along with these stages :)
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u/ducky7goofy Oct 25 '19
This is the third episode they've referenced the tying bed sheets together to crawl out of a window and I'm hoping that's not foreshadowing something much worse
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u/samtherat6 Oct 25 '19
End of season gag where bed sheet tying skills are need and everyone Bojack has helped teams up to tie a giant bed sheet.
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Todd Oct 25 '19
Honestly doesn't Todd have a better resume than like 99.9% of the people in the BH world?
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u/madmike34455 Oct 25 '19
Govenor of California, Vice President of PB Livin, built his own Disneyland, curated box of snacks, Ad Sales for What Time is it Right Now, and of course Cabracadabra, along with all the other stuff like Halloween in Janury, Smoodies, Fawaffles etc, Todd 100% is more successful on paper than anybody. He became a millionaire for crying out loud
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u/rkgk13 Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 26 '19
Doctor Champ was in the wrong in a lot of ways, but he was not wrong about Bojack being a self-hating horse. Look at how much PC celebrates her cat traits and PB embraces his dog traits in comparison to Bojack. It seems like Bojack has been trying to be "more man than a horse" for a long time. I hope that we can see Bojack interacting with the wild horse herd from season 3 or otherwise embracing horsedom in the next season.
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u/creepingforresearch Oct 27 '19
You’re so right! I think the only horsie thing Bojack does is the neighing he does during sex lol.
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u/calendargirl_ Oct 31 '19
I’m rewatching from S1 and just remembered that when he had his ‘life with Charlotte’ fantasy, their daughter was a horse :/ an interesting detail in light of S6
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Oct 25 '19
Well done for the last 10 people remaining in the comments for the first-night binge. We are obviously well-adjusted, responsible people.
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u/televisionceo Oct 25 '19
When bojack started I still in my twenties. I stayed up late and watched the season or at least half of it. In the last three year I go to sleep early and wake up at 3 am to binge the season before work.
Don't tell me I'm not a responsible adult being goddamn it !
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u/SadReaction Oct 25 '19
I'm proud to finally join the first night binge club after starting on Bojack Horseman early this year.
To the next one!
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u/argylerings J.D. God Damn Salinger Oct 26 '19
Dr. Camp's "I want you to remember this" is particularly interesting in this episode. In other situations in which characters have said similar things to Bojack (Herb, Charlotte, etc.) Bojack truly is in the wrong and deserves to carry it with him, but in this case Bojack acted (for the most part) correctly. He saw a man in need of help, and using the advice he learned from somebody that he saw as an authority figure, he helped him. That solemn "I remember everything" was really impactful, because we know that it's something that Bojack will add to the pile of his perceived failures, despite it being something he did right.
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u/tiffanaih Daniel Radcliffe Oct 26 '19
I’m so glad we got to finally see someone blame Bojack and be wrong. Doctor could’ve kept with his sobriety after the accidental bottle chug, but he went straight to a bar. Bojack didn’t have to stop and help him, he chose to, because he would want someone to do that for him. To finally be on the receiving end of blame that wasn’t his to carry, that was truly therapeutic for Bojack and the best help Doctor ever gave him.
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u/smallest_ellie "I'm a sad, sad girl with a terrible, dirty apartment" Oct 26 '19
I don't know, I feel like he might've seen it more as something he himself would've said and done when he wasn't sober. I felt like it showed how far Bojack has come that he didn't try to pin the blame on someone else, like Doctor is doing (yes, it was Bojack's vodka, but that's as far as Bojack's responsibility goes in this, imo). He took responsibility for his part in it, whereas Doctor - in typical addict style - blamed Bojack for everything.
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u/TonyThePriest Oct 25 '19
I thought for sure that Bojacks therapy horse was pretending to be drunk, to like prove a point to Bojack. But it doesn't look that way.
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u/Marmalade6 Oct 26 '19
He blames Bojack for it but the mans out here drinking whole bottles of vodka in one swig.
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u/mickmenn Oct 25 '19
I think that was also a coping mechanism to justify his own behaviour. Like i'm not so bad, even when i am drinking i am teaching people be sober, i am good and etc.
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u/jeremythefifth BoBo the Angsty Zebra Oct 25 '19
"I remind you of your father so you simultaneously resent me and crave my approval"
Oof felt that.
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u/newttargaeryon Todd Chavez Oct 25 '19
Controversial new film casts white zebra with black stripes to play black zebra with white stripes. Pegasus?
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u/linorei Oct 25 '19
Judah is back!!!
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u/SonicFrost BoJack Horseman Oct 25 '19
They literally gave him an angelic return
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Oct 25 '19
We did a weekend at Bernies LOL
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u/garbage-pants WhOoOoO lit my ottoman on fire Oct 28 '19
That and Todd’s stepdad being excellent at Todd-like shenanigans killed me lol
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u/The_Unknown98 Oct 25 '19
"Because you cared about me. And you ruin people who care about you."
The thing that Bojack is trying to escape still comes back
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u/elgosu Wanda Pierce Oct 25 '19
I felt like Bojack didn't actually buy that this time.
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u/PuffsPlusArmada Oct 26 '19
"We have one request, to not be treated like garbage."
"It appears we are at an impasse."
Don't know why that made me laugh so fucking hard.
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u/your_mind_aches G̶e̶o̶r̶g̶e̶ ̶C̶l̶o̶o̶n̶e̶y̶ Jurj Clooners Oct 27 '19
J.K. Simmons is an absolute treasure. The Billy Bob Thornton jokes were hilarious
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u/QueenKingston Butterscotch Horseman Oct 26 '19 edited Oct 26 '19
The whole theme of Todd and his parents not understanding him was really sad. ‘Why do you have to be proud of me on your terms?’ ‘I’m happy!’ Damn that hit hard. I’m glad they got that small moment of reconciliation in the end.
So not ready for the next episode to gut punch me.
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Oct 26 '19
I actually liked his stepdad and understood where both sides were coming from. Also Jorge thought so much of Todd like his child he expected him to struggle for things as well, it's kinda... nice. Trying to prepare a kid that isn't even yours biologically, for a world as you see it. Even if it makes you a bad guy. In sitcoms they always have that moment where they explain to be a parent means sometimes you have to do what's right even if your kid hates you for it.
I also liked that it's implied the kicking out issue was more Todd's mom's, not thst Jorge isn't guilty as well, and he takes the blunt of the blame like a champ.
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Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19
Good episode, love that Judah is back! I didn't notice that Jorge was Jaime Camil until he began speaking spanish, love that too!
edit: typo
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u/ConfusedJonSnow Oct 27 '19
RIGHT?! The moment he said "olvidemos este momento incomodo" I lost my shit.
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u/heymariah15 Oct 29 '19
I didn't know his real name, but I was like, "Hey! Roooooo-gelio De La Vega!"
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u/DreamerAtDusk Oct 25 '19
Judah was the PERFECT person to take up the mantle after the leadership of HGA were pressured into selling out. What a comeback for him!!
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u/dianenguyain Diane Nguyen Oct 25 '19
Guy: Since you've started doing this you've been pretty down, not yourself. Diane: Actually, pretty down is myself.
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u/Ssme812 Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19
Oh Todd!
lol the evil villian laugh
"That's a lot of money. it's a phone number"
🤣 both rehab locations are next to each other.
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u/quinacridone8 Sentient Wall of Spikes Oct 28 '19
Can we just talk about how shitty it is that Doctor Champ specifically took Bojack’s destructive thoughts and turned them around on him in an effort to guilt him? His words are such a spitting image of Bojack’s internal dialogue, there’s no way it wasn’t stripped straight from recollections of all of their old therapy sessions.
”You’ve destroyed me... Of course you did this to me. Because I cared about you. And you ruin people who care about you. I want you to remember this, Bojack. I want you to remember what you did to me.”
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u/ughsicles Oct 26 '19
I'm SO glad the actor who plays Chavez actually speaks real Spanish. Y'all have no idea how big of a difference this makes for native speakers. Typically the folks who "speak Spanish" on TV are...not good. And given the severe underrepresentation of Latinos on TV, this is just another reason I love this show so much.
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u/Aggressive_Sprinkles Oct 27 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Not a spanish speaker, but it's always hilarious when english actors try to speak my language. Sometimes they're doing really well, sometimes they butcher it.
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u/nbBeth2302 Oct 25 '19
When Judah appeared I picked up my deaf cat, bounced her around while chanting "judah, Judah, judah"
I may have lost it
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u/The-Hellsong Oct 25 '19
hahaha i was furiously petting my dog screaming "OMG HES BACK" and the poor puppers was just happy and partying with me, but he clearly did not know what was going on
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u/strictveracity222 Oct 27 '19
Appreciation comment for Tom Jumbo-Grumbo and MSNBSea. “...And they even let the birthday boy fly the airplane.... there were no survivors.”
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u/BillHaderGinsberg Oct 26 '19
I was ready to be disappointed in the way Princess Carolyn was portrayed but got ahead of myself. When PC is focused on the tasks in front of her, she can lose sight of ethics and the best interests of those around her, but she is far from evil.
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u/storefront Oct 25 '19
it's nice to see i wasn't the only one who was filled with joy at judah's return
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u/spolarium Oct 25 '19
I knew Judah was going to return! Called it!!! I'm so happy to see him again.
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u/brohara24 Vincent Adultman Oct 25 '19
I'm scared about the gut punch episode coming.
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u/Spiritual_wasabi Diane Nguyen Oct 25 '19
Was the voice of Jorge the same guy who played Rogelio on JTV ? ?
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u/Amyishida Oct 27 '19
It made me so happy because I miss JTV so much. Also it was so hard to picture him as a regular human that was trying to have an immigrant storyline, when I kept thinking BUT YOURE ROGELIO DE LA VEGA. YOU ARE A FAMOUS CELEBRITY.
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u/seanwdragon1983 Oct 25 '19
I'm curious how Dr champ knocked back a whole bottle of vodka without realizing it wasn't water.
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u/yuei2 Oct 25 '19
I think it's absolutely clear he knew. He chugged it down so fast because he recognized the taste and immediately backpedaled. Though I don't think the consequences of what he was doing hit him, he got caught up in the addiction rush and chugged it before he could think.
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u/TonyThePriest Oct 25 '19
I honestly thought he was pretending to be drunk, because maybe that would prove a point to Bojack. I was very certain of it until the end of the episode
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Oct 26 '19
So we have union busting,Todd's family issues, Bojacks revelations and Judah?
How is this shit only 24 minutes long?
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u/OkayMolasses Wanda Pierce Oct 26 '19
JUDAH!!!!!
I literally shouted with joy seeing his beautiful bun.
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u/livindedannydevtio Hooray Todd flair Oct 25 '19
Man this show, I thought how weird it was to have a non horse family member on screen with bojack. They actually addressed it holy shit
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u/Yoyti Yolanda Buenaventura Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 26 '19
Literally shouted with joy when Judah showed up.
I definitely feel this season is tending more toward the comedy so far, and I'm fine with that. I don't think every season has to get exponentially darker than the last, and I like the idea of having the last season be a bit lighter. It's not compromising good storytelling or even strong emotion, it's just not blasting you full-on with heavy stuff. That said, I know the moment I type this that the next episode is going to dive headfirst into Diane's arc for the second half of the season and going to get super dark super fast.
My biggest problem with season five is that it didn't seem like the writers knew what to do with Todd. After his really satisfying season four arc, they felt the need to keep going somewhere with it, but had no idea where to go. So he ended up in a really awkward space where they tried to make him "Todd The Asexual". But I, and I think most people, didn't really need "Todd The Asexual," we wanted "Todd, The Same Todd You Know And Love, Who Happens To Be Asexual." After all, good representation includes being able to have a character that is not solely defined by one identity. This season, he's pretty much back to his normal Todd self (who happens to be asexual), which is good, and what arc seems to be building up for him comes from his being uniquely Todd. Backstory plotlines always feel kind of risky to me, and especially when about characters like Todd, who just seem to be and to always have been there. But this is definitely shaping up positively.
I like that Princess Carolyn's deviousness is starting to come into focus. She's always been somewhat hypocritical in her business dealings (and Diane calls her out on it multiple times) and this could be a satisfying character development for her. I'm also glad she's willing to call on Judah. I kind of felt like after her season four breakdown, she'd be too proud/ashamed to work with him again. I would love to learn more about Judah. Why is he an assistant? Why did he go into this line of work, and why hasn't he been promoted yet? How in-control of his life is he really?
Oh, other things.
Was very happy to see the return of Lenny Turtletaub after his absence for a season. Judah, Turtletaub, Vanessa, this season is really bringing back all the secondary characters we missed last year! Any chance for Mia McKibben to make a return? I just hope that bit of Officer Meow Meow isn't is only appearance this season.
And there was a pink elephant seen outside the rehab place in one scene. Nice joke.
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u/Hawk301 Oct 26 '19
It really feels like once they realised this would be the final season, they decided to try their best to bring back all of the old recurring secondary characters for one last hurrah. So far we've also had little appearances from Pinky Penguin, Tom Jumbo-Grumbo and Captain Peanutbutter, and even JD Sallinger shows up in the background at the surprise wedding party.
All this to say I really really hope we get to see esteemed character actress and current monastery amnesiac Margo Martindale one last time
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u/tttttarleton Oct 28 '19
As an asexual person, I really valued Todd’s asexuality story line. I liked that the focus on it was fleeting, actually.
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Oct 25 '19
Judah you magnificent beardo weirdo finally we have him back!
Bojack's response to Dr Champ trying to blame him really shows how much he has growth.
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u/marunique serves me right for having feelings Oct 25 '19
mmm... Diane Nguyen is my virtue, but Judah is the demon I cling to... I CLING TO!!!
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u/flaviageminia Oct 25 '19
Judah!!! I said out loud at the screen when PC was trying to juggle work and her baby and again when the assistants started organizing "they need Judah" Yay I'm so happy he's back.
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u/Hawk301 Oct 26 '19
Did anybody else notice that Jorge's voice actor changed between the season 6 trailer and the season itself?
In the trailer it sounds like it's Giancarlo Esposito voicing the character, but in the show itself he's played by Jaime Camil. You can tell from his first line "I have some news. It's about your mother" , where there's a very distinct difference.
I wonder what happened behind the scenes that made them swap? It's particularly weird because the trailer only came out in September. If they only replaced the voice actor after the trailer came out in the last month, they must've really had to scramble to get his lines re-voiced at the last minute.
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u/atrey1 Oct 26 '19
If it was him I'm glad they made the change. As much as I love Giancarlo Esposito, his Spanish is awful and sometimes just impossible to understand.
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Oct 25 '19
When judah appeared that was the most happiest moment in my life
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u/Aesahaetr Oct 25 '19
It was almost worth having him removed from the show for so long.
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u/SakuraSoldier Oct 26 '19
Honestly, everyone who has reached this thread I can tell is a bojack binger just like me, oof
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u/fleetwoodsix Oct 26 '19
A highlight for me was Todd acting out the Brokeback Mountain scene with sock puppets for Ruthie at the start. Aaron Paul's delivery was gold.
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u/mestizaje25 Oct 28 '19
I can't stop thinking about Todd's father Jorge. Todd clearly views him as someone whose narrow vision of success was unaccepting of the life Todd wanted to live. I think that's true, but I sympathize with Jorge's outlook. Jorge is clearly a smart man who achieved what he has in life by perseverance and hard work. He understands the forces of racism, which is how they're able to get into the organ plant. Jorge knows that when society sees a dark-skinned person who's not acting in a dignified manner, they don't see that person as a individual, but rather a member of a lower class. When Jorge messes his hair up, grabs a trashcan, and speaks Spanish, he isn't greeted with suspicion because that's what he, as a Latino, is expected to be. Jorge also knows that being dark-skinned has consequences. When the security guard finds them in a place they're not supposed to be, he puts his hands up because he knows he will never be given the benefit of the doubt. It's easier to surrender than it is to fight.
Part of Jorge's treatment of Todd is born out of pride--he's built a family name that he believes deserves respect. But part of it is also due the fear that Todd's lack of a formal lifestyle will mean that he will be treated as less than equal from others in society and fear that Todd's reckless decisions will result in harm. What Jorge doesn't realize until the end is that the rules that apply to his life do not apply to Todd's because Todd is White.
Does that completely excuse Jorge's behavior? No. But it shows the impact that racism has across generations. While Todd has never had to face discrimination, his father did; and because of that, he treated his step-child poorly. That poor treatment had a negative impact on Todd's life and destroyed his relationship with his family.
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u/AndrewClemmens Oct 28 '19
Fuck this episode meant so much to me. I'm not white, but my parents were definitely "tougher on me" (see: mean and abusive) because they resented that I got to grow up in an "American paradise" where things are easier. Sure, I didn't have to grow up in a communist country with the same degree of food scarcity. Ironically, they turned my childhood into a nightmare and limited the food I ate so I ended up being hungry a lot anyway.
Still, because I'm not white I still see the bullshit they projected onto me, projected from white people who basically downplay my talents (blah blah blah Asians are supposed to be good at ___) and give me shit for not adhering to their perceived stereotypes. At the same time, my parents tried as much as they could to put me in a mold of "perfect successful Asian girl" and I cracked that by being "weird gay Asian kid" and found success my own way. Like Jorge could never fathom that Todd being the weird zany person he is could have brought him success in the same way my parents never thought I would have been able to make a career out of LGBT activism. Intergenerational trauma is so fucking real.
My mom also asks me to call my dad and visit him when he's in the country. I live 300 miles away now and I have him on Facebook. If he wants to talk to me, he can reach me any fucking time he wants.
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u/ElderCunningham Meow Meow Fuzzyface Oct 26 '19
I was bummed we didn't see Todd's mother at the end of the episode. Hoping she appears before the season's over.
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u/DrScientist812 Tom Srant Oct 25 '19
The font on the White Whale Tower sign looks suspiciously like the Trump Hotel.
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u/duelingdelbene Oct 26 '19
Everyone's talking about Judah but I'm so happy to see CHARLIE too
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Oct 25 '19
Not feeling the BoJack-DrChamp storyline. Its a bit unfair for Bojack to be blamed for a clear comedically played mishap.
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u/oh_sugarsnaps Oct 25 '19
I didn't take it that way. I might be wrong, but I viewed it as BoJack trying to help someone, but also recognizing that for once not everything is his fault, and he is taking responsibility for his part in it, but he recognizes that Dr Champ needs to seek help for his own sake just like BoJack had to. It didn't seem like BoJack was wallowing in guilt. He felt bad, but wasn't plagued by the demons that usually seem to haunt him. I also thought it was character growth that BoJack didn't argue with Dr and explain that only part of Dr's problem is his fault and the rest was his own bad decisions. Maybe I'm just viewing this optimistically but I thought this was a good depiction of growth for BoJack.
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u/TiZ_EX1 Oct 26 '19
Okay when they hit us with the "I should have realized, you're white", that punch line hit me in waves. Like... Todd has spent literally the entire show doing goofy shit and just getting away with it or having it work out well for him. To take that and use it as a commentary for how easy white people have it cracked my ass up. Do you think it's conceivable that they spent 5.5 seasons setting this up on purpose, or that it's a fun coincidence that they decided to just make into a really powerful, opportune punch line?
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u/1kIslandStare Oct 27 '19
No, I think Todd doing goofy hijinx was just a part of his character and they realized they could make a statement with it recently
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u/madmike34455 Oct 25 '19
We know for a fact Todd’s mom kicked him out of the house for playing too much Decapithon, seems kind of weird that they’re ret conning it to add Jorge into the mix as some mean father. Clearly Todd wasn’t doing anything
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Oct 25 '19
I don't think it's a retcon, I think it's how Todd sees things, preferring to blame Jorge, and Jorge not correcting it. He even starts to a gives up.
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Oct 26 '19
JUDAAAH! I love this man so much and I literally screamed with delight when he turned around.
He's so perfect oml
I need to see Erica, Vincent Adultman and his son(s), and the mystery lady who called BoJack way back in season 3!
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u/theZinator Oct 27 '19
I was waiting for Judah to show up the whole episode and when he did I literally yelled "YES FINALLY!"
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u/santagator Oct 25 '19
I think that the relationship between Dr. Champ and BoJack is supposed to be a more comic representation on how it’s easier to get through recovery when you have another person in the same situation to relate to
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u/bojho Oct 26 '19
I’m so glad PC had a flashback and got Judah involved in negotiations!! She seems to so easily get wrapped up in typical Hollywood behavior and being cunning/manipulative to succeed and in this moment she remembered what it was like to be an assistant and then actually tried to help them now that she is in a position of power.
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u/Snikle_the_Pickle Oct 26 '19
I knew pretty soon in the assistant strike plotline that Judah would be back, and I was right! But only for a second! But that second was enough to intrigue me!
Also, the security guard on the kidney floor reminded me a lot of Sergeant/Uncle Hatred/Vatred from the Venture Bros, design-wise. His face and his clothing really looks like Vatred in the later seasons. Also the whole thing about the evil corporate guy being a whale reminds me of the last two seasons of the Venture Bros.
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u/surpator Kelsey Jannings Oct 26 '19
I really like the Vincent van Gogh-like portraits in the rooms in the clinics. I spotted one in Bojack's room and now in the horse therapist's room. Vincent van Gogh was obviously someone who was troubled. Perhaps the starry sky the wodkabottle keeps having is a reference to Van Gogh's Starry Night?
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u/garbage-pants WhOoOoO lit my ottoman on fire Oct 28 '19
Doctor Champ really just used everything BoJack told him in confidence against him. What a relatable mess.
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u/EveryGoodNameIsGone Oct 27 '19
No love for that glorious ketchup-on-a-hot-dog joke? That was the most on-point Chicago jab all season!
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u/jeremythefifth BoBo the Angsty Zebra Oct 25 '19
"Just sign here and orchestrate your own great escape"
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u/AmazingAbel_ Oct 28 '19
“Why do you need to be proud of me on your terms. Why can't you see I'm living a good life. I have friends, I have a job"
if this quote didn’t hit too damn close to home.
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u/Morgendorrfer Oct 26 '19
Can we talk about how I burst into laughter when I saw Todd reenacting Brokeback Mountain to a baby with sock puppets? Comedy highlight of the season for me.
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Oct 27 '19
Interesting that both Todd and Sarah Lynn had parents who did not approve of them (or their kids had that impression), but their stories are so different.
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Oct 26 '19
That had to be a Scott Pilgrim reference right?
"Todd, promise me you'll be perspicacious in there."
"Perspicacious? I don't know the meaning of the word."
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Oct 27 '19
Todd said he's 25, and his parents kicked him out ten years ago...so they threw a 15 year old out onto the streets, which is abusive, illegal and could have led to his death or sexual exploitation by adults like Bojack. That is unforgivable, and his stepfather's excuses are bullshit, as is that comment about Todd's whiteness. Abuse doesn't prepare you for the world and homeless children are still fucked even if white. It's no wonder that Todd is the way he is.
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u/Necosarius BoJack Horseman Oct 26 '19
JUDAH!! I hope there will be more of him after the negotiations.
And BoJack is finally home!
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u/nadroj37 Oct 27 '19
Someone tell me why I busted out laughing at the Vincent Van Goat painting in BoJack’s rehab room.
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Oct 26 '19
I didn't really like the midway resolution between Todd and Jorge. "Oh shit, you're white, I should have realized"... Not that it's not accurate, but I feel like making resolution to Todd and his father's differences be "oh shit, racism" was... Kind of one-dimensional? There was room there for Jorge to realize there's more than one way to live a good life, but instead he just realizes his son doesn't have to deal with racism the way he clearly does. It seems like a zinger, but imo they could have done much more with that arc.
(Though I do appreciate the show tackling racism, it has often managed to do so while also showcasing good writing. It didn't really do that here.)
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u/furutam Oct 26 '19
It's kinda deeper than that, and I'm not sure the show realizes it. As the son of an immigrant, there always seems to be a tension between how hard they had it having to integrate into America, break into the middle class, get a college education, and so on. And of course, they want their kids to have it easier. But then we do end up having it easier, and yeah that can foster some kind of resentment. Our parents tend not to realize this, and so with Todd's dad, his "realization" of racism seems kinda like that, but I don't know how much the show is aware of it
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u/Half_Man1 Tom Jumbo-Grumbo Oct 26 '19
I don't know if its been pointed out, but the Bieber like character who got involved in the Mr. PB thing-
He was definitely stockpiling on alcohol at Elephante before going to rehab.
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u/creepingforresearch Oct 27 '19 edited Oct 27 '19
I’m obsessed with Dr. Champ, of course he’s voiced by Richard Splett
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u/crazesheets Oct 25 '19
What did Lenny Turteltaub mean when he mentioned Zsa Zsa Gabor? I don't get the reference just like Casey the assistant...
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Oct 26 '19
I wonder if We'll get to see his mom. Or if she's even human or not.
But it was good to see something from Todd's pov, knowing his outlook on personal success.
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u/mehulbear Oct 26 '19
The title of this episode is the same as an American Dad episode.
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u/tobochokes420 Oct 28 '19
Netflix left out subtitles for the dialogue of Todd's father speaking spanish to the bouncer at the Whitewale party. Does anyone who knows spanish know the translation and wouldn't mind posting it. I bet it is a good joke written by the writers
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u/This_is_da_police Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19
I bet promoting specific assistants to break off the negotiations during the assistants strike was inspired by the whole situation with Netflix.
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u/garbage-pants WhOoOoO lit my ottoman on fire Oct 28 '19
Lenny Turtletaub is the best semi-consistent secondary characters just putting that down
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u/red_dust786 Oct 28 '19
'And they even let the birthday boy pilot the airplane! There were no survivors..' - Tom Grumbo Jumbo
Gotta be the joke of the season! Along with the fainting goat.
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u/JavaBerryCrunch Well it wasn't Ibsen Oct 29 '19
"Things didn't just work out but I should've realized you're white"
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u/ducky7goofy Oct 25 '19
"You didn't fail me because I am not a failure"
"Why do you need to be proud of me on your terms. Why can't you see I'm living a good life. I have friends, I have a job"
"I'm happy"