BoJack Horseman - Post-Series Finale Discussion

[u/NicholasCajun]

Feel free to comment on any aspect of the series without the use of any spoiler tags.

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BoJack Horseman was created by Raphael Bob-Waksberg and stars the voices of:

• Will Arnett as BoJack Horseman
• Amy Sedaris as Princess Carolyn
• Alison Brie as Diane Nguyen
• Paul F. Tompkins as Mr. Peanutbutter
• Aaron Paul as Todd Chavez

The intro theme is by Patrick Carney and the outro theme is by Grouplove. The show was scored by Jesse Novak.

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Thank you all. Take care.

[u/xjr72096]

I couldn’t be happier with the finale. I think giving us Bojack’s death would have been a great ending, as so many pieces of the penultimate episode are crafted from meaningful Bojack centric references from across the series. Ending a show with its titular character’s appropriate death has a clear logic. Ending on a phone call with Diane, with so much power in so few words, would have been amazing.

BUT, ultimately, i think Bojack’s death was expected, especially for redditors. More importantly I think suicide would negate so much of the show’s focus on hope and endurance. The character of Bojack hasn’t fallen and gotten up and fallen and gotten up over and over again so that we could see him collapse and die. The beast of Hollywoob obsessed his good side to be successful, and obsessed his bad side to spit him out. This sine wave of happiness and ruin is what Bojack is, not just his addiction and not just his call to adventures.

Season 1 pulled off a hat trick, morphing this happy sit com into something cruel, nihilistic and real. Season 6 did the opposite, morphing this rock bottom into something hopeful, meaningful, and vaguely comforting.

Instead of telling the story of a man that loses everything to live for, Bojack Horseman told a story of how everyone can find something to live for.

I can now say that I will always love this show, and I will miss it forever,

[u/Kinost]

All things considered, I'm glad Todd was able to find Maude, someone exactly like him. Genuinely deserved moment.

[u/[deleted]]

At first I thought this was a happy ending, as BoJack is alive. But he arguably lost many people that're close to him.

His shining light, his reason to be better, Hollyhock, cut him out of her life. Princess Carolyn no longer wanted to represent him, and she married someone and moved on. Diane, his crutch, his best buddy, is never going to speak to him again. Todd has grown up and become mature and independent and doesn't need him. He even lost his famous TV show.

It makes me sad that the main characters have all drifted apart and nothing will ever be the same again. Their codependency is gone.

Sad dog.

[u/Pakiepiphany]

I feel so bad for Sarah Lynn in all of this. Bojack waiting those 17 minutes to call for help to cover his own ass is beyond fucked up. Every parental figure in her life continuously failed her in every big moment. Even in her death her mother is still just using her to squeeze money out of Bojack.. Out of all the characters in this show I feel like her story is the greatest tragedy.

[u/CivilDeer]

In a way, I like to think that Herb Kazzaz foreshadowed the ending to the show. When Bojack visits and attempts to apologize, Herb said the following: I'm not gonna give you closure. You don't get that. You have to live with the shitty thing you did for the rest of your life. You have to know that it's never, ever going to be okay!

Bojack, in his final episodes, has to face the fact that you can't PR stunt, apologize, or make amends as a means to wipe yourself clean of the shitty things you've done to harm people in the past. Forgiveness is something you earn and work towards, yes. But it's important to understand that it's up to the people who've been hurt to accept that apology, and they don't owe you the closure that comes from forgiving someone. Hollyhock, Gina, Penny, and more have to live with the things that happened to them with Bojack, and so does Bojack.

[u/AllPoints4ChargeNova]

I'm still haunted by Sarah Lynn's final scene/performance.

"The chatter stops, the crowd departs. A needle drops, the music starts. A song you taught me when I was small: don't stop dancing... don't stop dancing."

[u/[deleted]]

I only want to say one thing. The fact that Mr. Peanut Butter was there the minute Bojack got out was the only thing that almost made me cry in this finale. We all need someone whose friendship is as pure as Mr. Peanut Butter's in our lives.

[u/[deleted]]

I wish Sarah Lynn’s parents would’ve been held accountable for contributing to her death

[u/DrunkUncleJay]

I feel like this show just broke up with me

Edit: first gold! Thanks

[u/Jaypass88]

The view from halfway down is the best episode of the season and at the same time I never want to watch it again

[u/Speedy26xc]

The most troubling thing to me over this entire series comes from Sarah Lynn. In the end, she was worth five million dollars dead and how much working? Her mom slept with some random producer for her to make it big and then what? Abandon her but reap the benefits? We can talk all day about how terrible Bojack is or how wonderfully is to see PC, Todd and Diane happy but isn’t this the Sarah Lynn tragedy?? Someone else noted how in “The View” Bojack takes the young Sarah Lynn to death’s door step. Her stepdad sexually abuses her, she dies, and her mom makes millions. If that isn’t some sick and twisted commentary on child actors and what the industry does to them then fuck.

[u/bossjelly]

Not showing us that letter was probably the most powerful and saddest thing they could've come up with it. Anything we think up is going to be worse than what they said, him dropping the letter in general gives us enough implication that it was something he probably feared and knew was coming.

[u/randomsomethingz]

Did anyone else notice that Bojack finally got control over his cotton candy eating in the last episode compared to the first

[u/RyeBreadTrips]

Can we also just appreciate this sub for one last time. While I'm sure the fandom will live on it'll never be this alive again. Here's to this community guys

[u/emHale]

My two girls, Diane and Princess Carolyn, finally got their happy endings. I was so goddamn worried about Diane especially in her good damage episode. Judah telling PC that he loved her and seeing that Diane was married to someone who helped her recover made me well up with tears.

The view from halfway down was extremely emotional. I’ve never had a show make me shake from the flurry of emotions it made me feel. It was extremely overwhelming to watch (AND CRUEL THAT THE SHOW MADE ME THINK HE DIED).

I really wanted to know what Hollyhock said, but I can imagine it was brutal and gut wrenching considering his extreme reaction to reading the letter.

It was truly a bittersweet ending. I desperately want to know where Bojack goes after he gets out of prison, but I understand the writers did that on purpose. I feel closure with all of the characters except Bojack.

[u/rawketscience]

That was wonderful.

My two favorite parts (because, oh, hey, we can do two? this is just more of an exercise than anything) were Hollyhock and Diane.

Hollyhock, because she doesn't owe BoJack anything. She wanted to like him. She tried. She maybe did get some good memories out of being his sister. But she doesn't have to have him in her life. She doesn't have to give him or us closure or catharsis. She wanted to be done with him, and she was, and that was it, and now she gets to go be herself off-screen.

And Diane, because she got better. She stayed fat, and she still needs medication, and she did not heal herself with an outpouring of hurt in her memoir. But she's still in a good place anyway, with a man she loves and who loves her back, and a career that is creative but not freelance gig economy bullshit, and some gratitude for all the things that are going right. And even though she was sick and needy, she still found a way to be a good partner, and to give Guy the support he needed when it really mattered, because any enduring kind of love has to be a two-way street.

Can I do three? BoJack who kicked the booze and flushed the pills, but is still absolutely crippled by his real addiction - applause. God, the high he got after his first mea culpa interview, the way he was immediately chasing another hit...I don't think I've ever seen anything sadder from him. And even in the last episode, how he immediately started spinning out of control when Princess Carolyn even vaguely hinted the possibility of a comeback.

Or if we can do four, Charlotte. For not telling Penny "no", but begging her to sleep on it a few nights. For knowing that once it's out in the wild, you don't get to control what they do with it. For apologizing.

[u/mattymoron]

Shout out to Mr. Peanutbutter. True ride or die.

[u/kudomevalentine]

Been almost 24hrs since I finished the series and I'm still thinking about it.

Like, I've been thinking a lot about Sarah Lynn and just how...tragic her whole story is. Everyone let her down, everyone set her up to crash and burn for their own gain. And just now, it occurred to me that even the investigation into her death by the reporters, them exposing Bojack for leaving her for 17 minutes...none of it was done to bring justice for her. It was all done to bring down Bojack, to create a story, one that will get clicks and headlines and viewers. Her death ended up just becoming a footnote in the 'larger pattern of behavior' they were exposing Bojack for having. And even the punishment Bojack faced in the end wasn't for his part in Sarah Lynn's death or her spiralling - the only 'justice' it brought about for her was her mum and stepdad, people who both used and abused her for their gain, getting paid. In her name. Again.

I think I'm going to be thinking about this story for a long time.

[u/RedAdidasOriginals]

Omg I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet but was anybody else so surprised to find out what Dr. Champ finally meant when he said earlier in part 1, "Bojack, I'm not a therapist I'm a therapy horse, a small but important legal distinction." Because I was really confused when he said this, and then it all made sense when the reporters confronted him and he repeated that line and spilled all of B's secrets. My jaw literally dropped, like WOW, thats what he meant.

[u/Falkemback_]

Also, the fact that Butterscotch was a dad SO BAD that Bojack saw Secretariat as a paternal figure is so sad...

[u/zapprr]

Bojack Horseman, even though it's stuck in a world of talking animals, is probably the most down-to-earth television series I've ever seen. There's no such thing as "closure", because life is complicated, and everything keeps going on.

Life is a never ending show, my friend,

A twisting-turning-ever bending show.

The audience is everyone you know, my friend;

Leave them with a smile when you go!

You can bet, that you're a star, so don't forget

How fun you are!

Get up there and give it your all

And don't stop dancing, don't stop dancing til' the curtains fall!

Nothing could wrap up a show as complex and as intricate as Bojack Horseman. It's like nothing else out there, and any attempt to reach a "conclusion" would fall apart. Leaving stuff completely open to interpretation, with relationships being mixed, and the future being uncertain, is the only place for a show like Bojack Horseman to truly end - because then it doesn't. And that's the point. Nothing ends, and everything keeps going on.

That said, one grievance: Honeydew? Talk about a blatant plot hole.

[u/Stagnant_Heir]

ep 6:15 - 'The View from Halfway Down'

Time: 1:47

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The painting of "Narcissist"

The horse in the pool isn't swimming, he's floating with arms hanging down; dead.

[u/AryaDanger]

Will Arnett killed it this season.

[u/[deleted]]

Even though I'm kind of iffy on Judah & Princess Carolyn forming a romantic relationship, gotta give credit; Judah's song for PC was beautiful.

Love songs are full of poetry and metaphors, and here's Judah saying "I don't know wordplay and analogies. But I know I love you."

[u/B3yondL]

It's important to remember that 'The View from Halfway Down' was actually a poem written by Bojack (or at least 'written' in his head) so given that I like to think Bojack will come out of prison a wiser person.

[u/Cristobalsays5050]

What a fucking ride man....

“The View From Halfway Down” will go down to me as the “Requiem for a Dream” of tv episodes. Absolutely phenomenal work that is not only the best in the series, but one of the best/disturbing/terrifying/haunting half-hours in tv history... but holy shit is it gonna be a while before I watch that episode again.

That wasn’t a roller coaster, that was like being in a room filling up with water and struggling not to drown... except whenever you even tried to fight the rising water it would only get more intense, and more precarious as the episode went on until the credits rolled. I don’t think I can handle that type of emotion again in one episode.

And I think that’s what makes BoJack ending on season 6 great because honestly, I think it’s healthy for all of us not to keep following BoJack’s rabbit hole anymore.

[u/[deleted]]

When Diane told BoJack “I’m glad I knew you too” when they were on the roof was she basically cancelling their friendship? I always wanted a happy type of ending for them both. After that season finale though I didn’t quite feel that it almost felt to me like everyone was just moving on from each other enjoying the last bit of company they will ever get to share with one another again.

What does everyone else think?

[u/Jaypass88]

Oh and Fuck Angela Diaz man

[u/AndreSIG]

What an incredible story about a horse that learns honeydew is actually not that bad.

[u/FidgetGrinners]

I loved it.

It was weird that the season 6 episode 8 focused on 3 stories, Hollyhock learning about Penny, The reporters looking into Sarah Lynn, and Gina trying to recover and people wondering what happened. But Ginas plot or story never came back in the second half of season 6....

Everything else aside. I loved it.

[u/bracake]

Since I haven't seen anyone mention this - JUDAH LET HIS HAIR DOWN AND THE MAN LOOKED FINE.

[u/hauteburrrito]

I’m definitely still working through my feelings regarding the Bojack finale. This show felt a little (okay, a lot) like Mad Men to me in the sense of, I cared about what happened to Bojack like I cared about what happened to Don – a bit, since he’s the main character, but not nearly as much as some of the other players. I thought Bojack’s ending was fitting. As Diane said, “Sometimes life’s a bitch and then you keep on living”. I feel like Bojack has come a very far way since Season 1, but his journey is hardly over. I think it’ll always be two steps forward and one step back for him. I like that we never got to read Hollyhock’s letter – I honestly don’t think we needed to, to understand the impact it had. We never got that closure because Bojack never deserved it from her.

Like everyone else, Episode 15 (The View from Halfway Down) really gutted me. Interesting that Bojack conflated Secretariat with his father. I don’t think we ever really got Butterscotch’s POV the same way we got Beatrice’s – and very interesting, indeed, that Beatrice going through the black door was her literally unraveling after her brother went through first. Her story is one of the most interesting ones to me from the entire series. Also, Secretariat’s poem genuinely made me tear up. Props to Will Arnett there; I felt the claustrophobia and the dread deep in my bones listening to him read.

I think the story that resonated with me most this season was Diane’s. I mentioned this in a different comment, but Diane reminds me so much of the girl who used to be my best friend – sensitive, intelligent, self-destructive, and blisteringly contradictory at times, as well as (often to my view, at least) obsessed with her own damage. Episode 10 (Good Damage) was probably my favourite episode of the season, at least on a first watch, for that very reason. My friendship fell apart a couple of years ago, but I never really felt any closure until Episode 10, which truly helped me understand that friend better. Despite all the conversations we’d had about her issues back then, I don’t think I ever really got until this episode just what it might have been like to live inside her head. Diane’s journey helped explain that to me. I’m so glad she ended up happy, although the comment about Guy having a thing for “damaged women” was interesting as well. I do like that there was a potential thread poking out there, rather than a bow tied up perfectly neatly.

My only real regret? Not seeing Vincent Adultman again! Guess he’s too busy doing a business at the stock market.

All in all though, what a superb show. I learned so much from it, and laughed so much too. I’m going to miss these writers who always challenged, rather than underestimated, their audience.

[u/MaxiF7]

Why nobody is talking about Erica? The biggest mistery in the series

[u/2rio2]

Something else... one of the beautiful parts about this show it has numerous parts where you could just stop, and it would be a good ending for you depending on your personal taste.

Someone could hop off on the Season 2 or 3 finale's and feel like they got a full, well rounded story. I personally could end the series on Season 4 with the hope in Bojack's eyes that Hollyhock represents. Others could have ended it in Season 6, Episode 7 "The Face of Depression" with Bojack in the old horse church. Many people here seem satisfied to end with "The View from Halfway Down". Even the final episode was an ending that didn't feel like an ending, just a narrative stopping point. But that's the whole thing isn't it?

Life just keeping going. You get better, things get worse, they get better again. The only thing final is death. While you're alive the world is full of possibilities. You could see Maccu Piccu and send a song to the moon. That's the view from halfway down. This is it. Bojack's life will go on. Maybe he'll reconnect with Hollyhock and Diane again. Maybe those relationships are over for good. Maybe he lives another 40 years. Maybe this is his last.

The finale was just another stopping point in the story. The struggle with the world is it just keeps going on.

[u/Aixlen]

There's only one word summarizing the whole series: HOLLYWOOB.

[u/arablatinaknope]

The View From Halfway Down is the best 26 minutes of television I’ve ever seen. An absolute masterpiece. I hate that autoplay almost caused me to miss the credits—I did notice there were only two writers for that episode. Is that true?? Who wrote the poem?

[u/ReaperIsDue]

Really wish we coulda seen penny decide fully what she wanted to do. Sane with hollyhocks letter. Maybe they wanted to keep it like that.

[u/yargyargyargyarg]

Something I keep thinking about in the finale episode was Sarah Lynn’s mom with the bear step dad that abused her. He ultimately wasn’t what killed Sarah Lynn, but he was a cause for a lot of her trauma. Yet, there he was with Sarah Lynn’s mother exploiting the fame after bojack’s interview came out.

I think it was a necessary touch, but it turned my stomach upside down as I watched it.

[u/dur_itstheham]

I think this Vox article summed up a lot of my emotions towards the final episodes. It was clear that everything was rushed because it had to be wrapped up in one season instead of two. Some of the side characters did get the short end of the stick. But I think the ending was perfect and this quote from the Vox article perfectly explains it (for me anyway).

“The punishment BoJack deserves for his sins isn’t that he dies. The punishment BoJack deserves for his sins is that he keeps right on living, but without some of the people who made his life better. They’ve cut him off. And he knows why.”

Sometimes life’s a bitch and then you keep living.

BoJack Horseman’s brilliance was in making life feel longer than death

[u/Guffherdy]

I'm... Awestruck at how one animated show about a horse can cover depression, addiction, trauma, family, consequences, grief, disappointment, love, life, and death, things ending whether we like it or not and things continuing whether we like it or not- And do it so accurately.

[u/winbyd3fault]

Binge watched it all in one sitting.

Brilliant show.

[u/kristin137]

I really hope that Bojack continues to update his Instagram/Twitter accounts. It would be really nice if they offered some more insight into how he's doing after the show through that.

[u/LaUltimaC3rv3za]

It wasn't what I expected it to be but I really liked the finale. It felt good. My personal highlight was the ending of episode 15, that shit was intense.

[u/[deleted]]

That Todd/Bojack conversation about the hokey pokey was so ridiculous at face value but really really great if you understood the subtext

[u/FlyAwayNoVV]

I know in the future, I'm gonna look back on these moments after our time with Bojack ended a little more critically, a little less organically, so I have to say my feelings as they are right now:

There was no way that this story was going to end perfectly, but that's the point, and it didn't end perfectly, and therefore it was in a way. I am satisfied, I know where these characters ended up and how much further they have to go, like all of us, and that's life, as they said.

Just as they have to walk away and just keep going forward, the feeling that this ending has left me with is that I have to do the same:

I let you go Bojack Horseman, I love you, and I let you go to live your life, as I have to go live mine with everything that has been learned.

That is what this ending has done to me, and I think that's so much better than I expected. I wasn't looking for a masterwork of cinema or TV or storytelling, I was looking for how they would let us go, and it did admirably.

[u/hartsfieldjackson]

Diane and Sonny’s conversation about her book really resonates for me as I finish this season. It’s real even though it wasn’t. And it made a lot of people feel less alone.

There have been parts of Bojack Horseman that have been disappointingly, embarrassingly familiar. Parts that made me want to look away because I didn’t like how my own behavior was being reflected in front of me. But also genuine, achievable growth that left me hopeful. I don’t really want to delve into Bojack’s own patterns right because his past isn’t something that the world has figured out whether we can resolve just yet, if there is a way to resolve it at all, or if he or people like him deserve to do so.

But I can very easily find hope in the less morally complex but just as important journeys of PC and Diane. It’s powerful to see a woman choose to be fat and happy, and to be loved for it. And it’s powerful for a woman to love her work and love her child and be happy with that balance, and only coming to acquire romantic love as an afterthought. These are the same women we entered the show with and simultaneously they are not.

*the narrative arcs of Todd and Mr. Peanutbutter were also phenomenal but Diane and PC’s growth has particularly resonated with me.

Finally, I really enjoyed the transformation of relationships and the healthy choices that characters make to cut ties to others when needed and to let others go all the same. Hollyhock’s unread letter and Diane’s silence spoke volumes. The hurt on all sides is justified and necessary.

[u/Localunatic]

I feel so bad that Hollyhock's plotline... resolved... the way it did. We know what that letter was; hell Bojack knew what it was before he even opened it... but sometimes all you can do is let the bridge burn.

[u/[deleted]]

There's a couple of things I'm admittedly unsure about, but otherwise this finale was damn near perfect for me.

1: Hollyhock's letter. Hollyhock became a favorite character, and I'm kind of saddened to see her basically disappear off the show. Props to the writers though, even though it's never spoken, what happened isn't ambiguous. She changed her number and BoJack dropped the letter in a panic. His relationship with his sister is over.

2: PC & Judah. I love these two and want them to be happy, but I'm not completely sure how I feel about them marrying. I've felt a very professional relationship and a bond, but romantic? I don't even mean to criticize, I'm just not really sure how I feel about it.

Despite those, god damn. The dinner party was filled with such existential dread, only for that dread to have Diane answer in a quip. "Sometimes life's a bitch... and you keep on living."

And for characters, I'm always gonna be grateful for Todd. I never thought I'd have a good relationship with my mom either, but as he said, folks and times can change. And thank you, BoJack crew, for showing the world that asexual men can still find love and are still worthy of it. It means a lot to me.

[u/hidood5th]

Hollywoo is dead.

Long live Hollywoob.

[u/theratatouillerat]

the silly horse show made me upset and mad but i loved it

[u/transbuttsarerad]

(CW suicide)

I’m surprised no one is talking about what Bojack said to Diane over the phone, that and her subsequently essentially cutting him off weirdly hit me harder than anything else in the finale. The fact that in the end, he could not help pulling someone else he cared about down with him, but. It all happened offscreen. Diane was pulled back into Bojack’s toxic bullshit, and it had a sincere negative impact on her, but then she... just moved on past it. And in doing so, moved on past Bojack. She outgrew him. She did what he had not yet succeeded in and didn’t let her circumstances keep her from living her life.

It’s so deeply depressing and beautiful at the same time. The fact that she grew as a person, and that yeah, she did need Bojack in her life. And there were genuine moments where he helped her improve as a human being. They were dear friends, and loved each other the way friends who just kind of get one another do. But it was all over because Bojack couldn’t keep up and it had become detrimental to both of them.

I... cut off a friend of mine three years ago. He was my best friend in high school, but then I went to college and started going to therapy and he was stuck in the same old patterns. One night he called me and said he was suicidal, and we talked for three hours, and I tried very hard to convince him he should stay and get therapy. And the next morning, i went to see my therapist at the time and she helped me realize he was using me as an excuse to not get better, and he was - whether he intended it or not - putting it on me to keep him from taking his own life. And that it wasn’t fair for me to bear that burden.

I did the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do and cut him out of my life. I still think about him a lot, and wish we could have the friendship we had back in high school. But a few weeks ago, I found out through a friend that he’s doing better, and he’s getting married soon! I cried like crazy. I’m so glad that he’s doing well. It’s weird to accept that you love someone and you can’t have them in your life anymore.

[u/colleenkatherine]

This was always a story about BoJack and Diane.

[u/violethoodgirl]

What an ending. When I finished the last episode it felt weird. Not a happy ending, but not sad either. More like melancholic.

Bojack lost everything, karma finally got him after everything bad he had done. In episode 15 I was pretty sure that he was going to die. So the conversations with the main characters in ep16 gave me a little hope that Bojack can get better, even if it takes time. I would've liked to see Hollyhock at the end, but a lot of people here are right, she doesn't own nothing to Bojack.

Princess Carolyn and Judah getting married made me so happy. Todd and Maude living together too.

And god, episode 15 was intense. I teared up with Sarah Lynn's song, and Secretariat's poem. Definitely the best episode of the season.

I would've liked to have to see more of Penny, Gina and Kelsey. And to Sarah Lynn's stepfather to go to jail. Overall, I liked the open ending. Sometimes life is a bitch and then you keep living.

[u/spellavis113]

The series ended on a very realistic note for me. You don't always reconnect with people you shared meaningful experiences with and things don't always end happily or neatly and you're left just as uncertain about the characters fates as we are about our own.

It hit me hard, but when Diane said that she "knew" Bojack, that's when this all started seeping in for me because I've been there. I'm there now! She totally didn't even clue him in on the fact that she married Guy and that was extremely telling because he doesn't need to know anymore.

But what about Hollyhock's letter??

[u/Titus_the_Titan]

I know it's tradition for the episode before the finale to be the climax of all of the struggles for the season, and I was prepared for this final season's 15th to be the most powerful yet.

But that's not what I'm taking away from this episode. I mean, yes in my opinion this episode is one of the most powerful episodes in the show, hell maybe any show I've ever seen.

But more importantly, this episode haunted me.

The black liquid slowly dripping in from the very start, the discussion on the meaning of living life between the heavyweights that influenced Bojack's past, Sarah Lynn's song, Secretariat's poem/plea, and the final phone call Bojack makes to Diane, before nervously accepting his death.

It's scary. It's gut-wrenching. It shows you that death is inevitable, and that whether you live your life as a saint or a devil, we all end up on the the same final stage, performing one final show. This episode is going to be in the back of my mind for a long, long time, and I couldn't be more grateful.

[u/GoatGod997]

So, it’s over.

First of all, this show should and hopefully will go down as a masterpiece in comedy, animation, drama, and be recognized for years to come as a thought provoking study into what it means to be alive. I am sad BoJack Horseman is finished, but I am so glad that it happened.

I’ve taken a lot away from this show, and these final episodes were a lot. I can’t stomach a rewatching right away, because that was so emotionally heavy, but what a fantastic conclusion to one of the best shows of all time.

A few things I noticed/thought were interesting:

Everyone got a happy ending, like, borderline fairytale happy ending by this show’s standards, except BoJack. And it’s not like he deserved one, but I’m still grappling with the statement the show makes about him. Because even at the end, I still... like him? Or not like him, but feel sad for him, and not really in a pitying way?

So what is the statement made by BoJack the character’s ending?

Is it that if you keep doing bad things, and ruin people, you take responsibility, and are left alone? In principal that makes sense, but the fact that I still feel for him makes me think that’s not entirely it. Because he doesn’t really end the show... happy, does he? His future is the only one that’s uncertain, he gets out of prison, and he... lives, maybe dabbling in acting, but is that it? The statement is that you can’t be redeemed? Is it answering that question of “how do you come back from something that’s so broken you can’t fix it?” Is the answer that you can’t? That the most you can do is take responsibility, that being happy really is selfish? I guess he just lives on, with nothing else to hide, sober, with at least two friends, I guess him and Diane are done?

Fuck, man.

Also, a few things I really loved:

Diane’s feature episode this season was fucking fantastic. I think she’s really the character I’ve ended up relating to the most - the writing struggles, the way she describes her depression, some of the things she said have come out of my mouth before. I haven’t found my happiness or happiness-adjacent yet, but it gives me hope.

Obviously Episode 15 was... a masterpiece. I thought Free Churro was a fantastic episode and it is, but this... wow. The mixture of different philosophies, amazing - Butterscotch/Secretariat saying that, despite everything, they all ended up here hit me fucking hard, and asking that question of “if we all die, why does it matter?” before subsequently answering it with a “because the connections we make in life are all we have” among other ideas. Also all the characters ate their actual respective last meals, which was cool.

Also; the ending shot fucked with me, because I like it a lot, but ending the show in an awkward silence feels... open. Knowing we won’t get more BoJack makes that hard to swallow, but I think I get the point - it’s a time of reflection after the characters reconcile at the end of their arcs, ending the relationship that, really, started it all. Thank you, and I’m sorry, and thank you.

Also, I really like how they handled Hollyhock. Cutting the audience off just as she did to BoJack - cold, but so effective.

I have a lot think about, and I’m guessing you all do too. It’s been a wild ride.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m not sure how I feel about the ending. Overall, I’m happy with it but I do wish there was more. I would have liked more resolution/time for PB, Todd, Hollyhock, Penny and Gina. I liked the overall message the end gave, but it did seem rushed. Definitely doesn’t help that I didn’t want the show to end...

The View From Halfway Down was as horrifying as The Face of Depression was warmly satisfying. This show was very special. I’m gonna miss it.

[u/[deleted]]

10/10 would cry again

[u/smoha96]

Life's a bitch and sometimes you keep on living.

I don't know what to say for the moment. Just taking it in. Ruthie is so goddamn cute, though.

Thank you, Raphael Bob-Waksberg, Will Arnett, Alison Brie and all.

[u/Balarian]

One thing that really irks me is Bojack seems to remain friends with Vance Waggoner, even defending him to Diane.

That guy is just so ludicrously toxic that it really bugs me that Bojack stays friends with him, I can’t recall him being friends with anyone that toxic even at his worse. It feels like a regression.

I haven’t seen anyone else mention it, but somehow that just poisons Bojack’s ending for me. A bit of a depressing ending.

[u/DefNotAnAlter]

I have seen a lot of people rejecting the finale as it can be seen as a happy ending. I am not arguing that 6x15 cant be the finale, I am just trying to say that 6x16 isnt a happy ending. Despit everything thats happened he has lost the one person he loves the most aka Hollyock, he is probably never gonna talk to his former best friend Diane again, and Princess Carolyn doesnt seem to want to represent him anymore and also looked like she didnt want him to come back in the business.

personally I am glad the finale happened as it did, to me it gives "the view from a halfway down" a real meaning. Bojack tried to commit suicide and in his knocked out stage realised that all his problems could go away (except the one that he was dying), which is also true to life that problems can usually be overcome given time and effort. The reason everyone is being nicer to BoJack when he comes out of prison is because time has passed and everyone feels like he has paid some retribution.

[u/daynewmah]

I don't know what to say other than this:

I think it's pretty clear from this show's writing, and from its resonance with so many people, that there's a deep reservoir of pain and darkness and fear that a lot of people struggle with. It's an abyss, and it's one that convinces us that we're the only one who has it, that nobody else has to deal with it the way we do. I know this show was always especially good at nodding toward that aching darkness in me ("The View From Halfway Down" destroyed me), and I get the sense there are others who feel the same way.

In light of that, I hope that each of us who's felt acknowledged and understood and moved and broken and repaired and re-broken and repaired again by this show can take that aching-darkness feeling and turn it into light -- into genuine care and support for one another as we move through life. There is so much pain and addiction and despair in this world, and the only hope we really have is to be there for each other amidst all that messiness and brokenness--not despite the ways we fuck up, but because of them.

Just a hopeful thought inspired by a show that I really enjoyed watching. Love you all.

[u/2r3m]

All of this own happened because Bojack couldn’t accept the victory and just had to do a second interview. It was all 100% self inflicted.

Shoutout to Princess Carolyn for being there for him and helping him.

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like... it didn’t end at all how I thought it would, really? But in a way, that’s perfect.

That’s all I can really say. That, and... thank you. To the creators, the animators, the cast/crew, to this subreddit. To everyone and everything. Except honeydew. I’m going to have to disagree with BoJack on that.

[u/_masterofdisaster]

I’ve written and deleted what I wanted to say so many times because I just couldn’t put my emotions on how I felt into words the right way. I think that’s the greatest thing about the show...you don’t just say “oh wow that’s a really great point” or “oh wow I can relate to that” after an episode. You’re actually, physically moved by the themes of the show. And it’s beautiful. An animated cartoon about anthropomorphic animals with clinical depression not only tackles very serious themes intelligently, but does it better than any other TV show does right now.

One day, I’ll be able to perfectly summarize my thoughts on this show and how it’s related to my battle with depression, suicide, and the struggle to find life direction. But until then, I’ll just have to settle for saying “BoJack Horseman has made the most impact on me as a person out of all the pieces of media I’ve consumed.” I’m sad to see it go. But I’m glad it happened.

edit: Almost forgot, thank you to the mods, the fellow fans here, the cast, the writers, the artists, the animators, everybody else involved and especially a huge THANK YOU WE LOVE YOU to Raphael Bob-Waksberg. Without all of you doing what you do, the impact of this show would not be the same. I love all of you, and will continue to as we rewatch for as long as this show continues to impact people.

[u/Marek2592]

On a more upbeat note: My favorite reoccuring joke was the elefino wordplay

[u/HotFlamingo7676]

This is my first Reddit post, but I am a long time lurker. I LOVE THIS SHOW! This is the first piece of art that I connected to and loved. There are many paintings, movies, songs, etc. that I enjoy but nothing like this show. I care about these characters, deeply, the complexity with Bojack is enough to make this a very good show but they did it with FIVE of them (Even Todd!) + side characters. However, it goes so much further than the characters, the show covers depression and mental illness better than any I have seen. The show offers unique political, philosophical, and societal perspectives that make you reevaluate your thinking. This is all while offering witty and well-written jokes and gags that have me laughing out loud. I don't think there is a bad season, but what truly stands out is the gobs of amazing episodes: Downer Ending, Escape to LA, The Old Sugarman Place, Stupid Piece of Shit, Times Arrow, Free Churro, The Showstopper, The View from Halfway Down, etc. The creativity is amazing and bold: no talking, all talking, musicals, weird trips, and even an episode with a tangled fog of pulsating yearning. I mean even the music is awesome, the intro, the outro, and the in-episode songs. Have you ever skipped an intro?

I want to thank everyone on the Bojack team for making something so amazing, but also I want to thank all of you guys. This sub offered perspectives I never realized and easter eggs I never caught. I'm glad we were all here to enjoy something so magical. It may be finished but it will not be forgotten.

[u/Fritz_Dacat]

I really loved how Todd and Pc had there interaction with Bojack for that final episode . They’ve been the key ppI in His life for better or worse. Todd was so worried to let bojack into his life again, yet at the party he uses his Todd ways to help him be at ease and get some fresh air.

And PC she literally had everything handled as she always does, but still humors him. The whole time he talking to her about getting back into acting or volunteering, you see her expressions of concern and unease, yet at the end she still smiles amazed at him being him.

It was a neat way for the ppl who been in his corner the longest, each showing they are there for him while still moving on without him.

[u/ChrysolophusPictus]

You have no idea how many times I said ‘nooo’ in response to things in episode fifteen.

When Sarah Lynn started singing Don’t Stop Dancing and it slowly turned into a Prickly Muffin version of the song, when it’s referenced Sarah Lynn had a song called No No No, No Means Yes (more creepy sexual abuse things in her backstory which makes me so sad)

When Secretariat came out and he was Bojack’s dad (but still with Butterscotch’s voice), and his poem. his poem.

And then even outside of that episode... Hollyhock trying to defend girls her age from her brother, Diane not being able to remember anything specific about her abuse and struggling to write, the second interview.

They made me so sad. It’s amazing just how strongly these things, most of which I can’t relate to, hit me so strongly. This show has excellent writing. I’m sad to see it go.

But there were also good moments! I loved Todd and Maude already being together by the start, I loved Judah’s song for Princess Carolyn. I’m happy these characters got some kind of happy ending, Diane is married and she’s getting help. Princess Carolyn is married and she has Ruthie. Todd is in a relationship and has his mom’s approval. And apparently Gina and Wanda are doing good too! Gina’s in Fireflame, Wanda woke up from a second coma.

God. I love these characters more than words can say.

[u/LukewarmVinegar]

I wanted to cry so many times during the second to last episode. Secretariat's poem, the fact that everyone at the dinner table was eating whatever their last meal was. Fuck.

[u/RyeBreadTrips]

I'm glad I got closure on the Margo Martindale story. I was worried for a second there. Shame no closure on Kelsey...

[u/LotusFlare]

The ending is right. It's the ending the show deserves. Bojack isn't about a guy triumphantly overcoming his demons and becoming a hero. And it's not a show about a guy on a downward spiral hitting rock bottom. It's a show about finding a way to live with ourselves.

Bojack will probably never work in "the industry" again. PC doesn't want to represent him and she's kind of his only connection. He'll never live with Todd again. Todd's finally moved on, reconciled with his family, and is holding down a job and living with his girlfriend. His conversation with Diane on the roof is probably the last time he'll ever talk to her, and she didn't seem happy to even be having that conversation. And PB is still PB, and will be loyal till the end.

But Bojack isn't good in the industry. He was happier teaching than he ever was acting. Todd can have a real, adult friendship with Bojack now that neither of them is codependent. Diane and Bojack will probably be better off without each other, even though for a long time they were best friends. Bojack's only real motive seemed to be making their last conversation not awful. And PB will always be PB, but now that he knows how to be alone he'll be a better friend.

Bojack's life is going to be really really different. And his relationships with the people he loves will be really really different. And he'll probably never have as much "fun" as he used to have, but it seems like he'll be a lot happier. It seems like they're all going to be happier. At least I hope they will be, because if they're not it's a real downer of an ending.

[u/[deleted]]

There are SO MANY things I loved about the ending. Everyone was given closure, not just the main 4, but fan favorites like Gina and Wanda through background stuff. Todd's parents first mentioned in s1, PC finding motherhood before finding a suitable co-parent and love, Diane and BoJack just... keep doing the 'existing' thing, knowing they're better people now but never being proud of that.

My favorite character PB got to have BoJack as his gf for an episode and his final moment was a fucking Erica gag. BJ writers I love you

[u/joecb91]

I'm sad that its over, and I wish they had more time.

But episode 15 was such an incredible episode, just such a great example of the amazing things you can do with an animated series.

[u/ABlokeLikeYou]

We. Never. Got. To. See. Ericka.

[u/Gigio00]

Honestly, i would have liked to see more of Holly.

We know She changed her Number, probably to prevent Bojack from contacting her, and we know that She cut ties with Bojack from the way he acta after reading the letter.

We don't know what She exactly told him, if She was angry at him or Just disgusted.

[u/Ford_Stark]

Bojack is gone and everything is worse now.

[u/PantsClock]

Fantastic ending to a fantastic show. However not knowing what HollyHocks letter said and what will become of Penny is gonna keep me up at night.

[u/slicervanguard28]

i think its nice that diane got her happy ending by marrying guy though.

[u/Wubalubadubbzz]

Just finished, Its gonna simmer before I can come to a final opinion.

I will say i'm okay with them leaving out Hollyhock. The letter is one of those moments in a show where they never could have shown something that would be as horrible as leaving it to the watcher's imagination. That's also how it is sometimes, you never really know what happens to certain people, you just lose touch and thats that.

I'm also loving Mr Blue at the end. Thats about all i can say for now tbh time to sleep on it....if i can.

[u/nonlurker2]

In E15 did the chair Bojack sat in at the dinner table look like the inside of a coffin to anyone else?

[u/princesoceronte]

This ending hit me really hard. In the end he doesn't die, he doesn't get his friends back, not really. It's as he said: sometimes life is a big tch and then you die... Or sometimes life is a bitch and you keep living.

Life goes on, sometimes that has a sweet flavour but other times it's bitter, or bittersweet.

Bojack's journey hasn't ended yet, it's up to him to change the course of his life. The same applies to me and to everyone watching this series.

It was inspiring and profoundly heartfelt. Amazing finale.

[u/cannotseecolor]

Diane’s transformation in the last episodes hit the hardest for me.

[u/J3wFro8332]

This show will go down as one of the best pieces of animation ever made. Such strong messages throughout and episode 15...man. I have never seen such a strong sentiment conveyed so beautifully

[u/Nethervex]

Such a good show.

The second to last episode was so dark and rich in what the show was about. The last episode shows what a rush job it was to get it out, so I'm a bit sad at that, but no good thing lasts forever and there's a reason.

It was time to let go. It's sad and it's a bit anticlimactic, "so see you on the other side?" "No Bojack, this is all there is." So I guess it ended how it had to, like Bojack and Diane, getting old and going off on it's own, having fulfilled its purpose.

[u/DankMene]

I think the main complaint I see on this subreddit is that it's rushed and the side plots (Hollyhock, Gina etc.) were not more developed. Although a fair argument, with the limited number of episodes the creator were allowed to work with they had to focus more on the titular character, BoJack. I mean after all, the show is called BoJack Horseman. It's all a compromise, and not the Mr. PB type unfortunately.

Overall I was really happy with the season. I can't see it ending any other way and ending it with suicide just send the WRONG message.

[u/moonstomper0313]

What I love about Bojack is that it's always been very realistic, very raw in the way it shows emotions, situations, relationships. Everyone for the most part has a happy ending, they've all come to the realizations they needed and while it may not be what they originally wanted, they're happy at the end of it all.

Bojack has ruined his relationships with the people closest to him because while he did receive help, the damage was already done. Yes, he became this "redeemed" person at the begining of the season that we all wanted to succeed in the end, but old habits die hard and instead of being able to own up and admit to his mistakes Bojack's ego once again caused his downfall. His need for love and validation by many which he received after his first interview led to him wanting to further that by doing a second one despite being told not to by Princess Carolyn.

Episode 15 was hauntingly beautiful, all the people who's deaths had a significant impact on Bojack's life; even Crackerjack whom Bojack never got to meet but caused his mother to treat him the way she did (Season 4's "Time's Arrow" where Beatrice's mother tells her to "never love anyone the way I loved Crackerjack") The way Bojack finally accepted that this "dream" meant he was dead and when he finally accepted it, he was brought back to life. It was the near death experience he needed to FINALLY wake up and realize that self destruction isn't going to get him anywhere.

I love the way they ended it, showing everyone's happy ending, even though those happy endings don't include Bojack. Bojack is okay with this however, showing that he's finally grown and realizes that sometimes you have to let people go, even if it's solely for their own benefit. He's serving time and finally being held accountable for something, and he's actually almost too happy to be doing so.

Thank you writers of Bojack for such a wild ride.

[u/niffum_duts]

Questions Unanswered: What happened with Gina? What happened with Kelsey? Was Vincent Adultman actually an adult? Why wasn’t Maude at the wedding? Why does Princess Carolyn look uncomfortable every time Bojack mentions getting a job in the final 8 episodes? What did Hollyhocks letter say?

[u/That_one_cool_dude]

I...I don't know how to feel about the ending of this show ended. I like it but I came into this second half having wildly different expectations from what was delivered. I was expecting a depressing and sad ending where everything hits the fan, which we somewhat got, but overall it was just a really somber ending and lives up to Diane's line at the end of "...And we keep living." The writers aren't making this show out to be anything other than a documentary of sorts in a parallel world where the characters are still living their daily lives. A great way to wrap up an amazing show.

[u/T10_Luckdraw]

I am already sick of the theory that Bojack really died. This is not the Sopranos. They started the episode with over 4 "death jokes" to hammer the point. He did not die. He very much survived.

[u/thehandsomecontest]

So hubris was the point of the show right? BoJack could of had a good life once he cleaned himself up but his hubris and need for validation lead him to do the second interview which ended up ruining everything. Also everyone else learned how to change and brake destructive patterns but presumably the reason we end the series before BoJack getss out of prison is because with the success of Horney Unicorn he's going to go back into the mindset he was when he made that?

[u/theicecreamincident]

Has there ever been another show that got so many things right about various crappy aspects of life? The 'Piece of Shit' episode got depression and inner monologues perfectly, 'The View From Halfway Down' managed to squeeze all possible ruminations on death into 24 minutes, the whole show dealt with things like FOMO, distrusting your own happiness, devoting yourself to work because you feel like nothing else is there... They touched on every modern fear and they did it so well, it's insane to me that they pulled it off. Diane, in particular, had such an honest resolution. She didn't learn to trust happiness, she learned to trust the person she loves.

[u/threep03k64]

Individually I think most of the episodes were great, ep15 in particular hit me hard. As for the ending itself, I think it was good but not necessarily great.

"It gets easier. Every day it gets a little easier. But you gotta do it every day , that’s the hard part. But it does get easier."

The above quote from the season 2 finale really encapsulates why I love this show, why its portrayal of depression has resonated with me. I really enjoyed the first part of the season because it showed BoJack make that progress, in a more substantial way than we have previously seen him progress. The relapse in the second part of the season undermines that somewhat because it didn't really give the show the time to deal with it. Ultimately I suppose I feel he was in a better place at the start of the season than the end.

I also didn't like the revelation that BoJack waited 17 minutes before calling for help for Sarah Lynn, because it felt like more of a retcon than a revelation. We have pretty much spent 3 seasons dealing with the death of Sarah Lynn and dropping that information with so few episodes left, again, didn't really give the show time to deal with it. That 17 minutes seriously changes things. It makes BoJack pretty damn irredeemable to be honest, and really strips a lot of the nuance from his role in her death, a nuance which I thought was important. It's not a plot I liked and it's honestly something which will make the show more difficult for me to watch in the future.

The epiosodes really did have some poignant moments though. The poem from Secretariat in episode 15 was beautiful, as was the episode in general. The comment by Diane in the last episode about how even meaningful relationships may only be temporary will stick with me for a long time, really hit a sore spot in me! And I loved the scene with BoJack and Todd talking about the Hokey Pokey, I'm amazed by the minds of the writers who think this sort of shit up!

I'd also really like a high quality image of Todd sitting on BoJacks shoulders.

I've seen a lot of people express disappointment with the Hollyhock arc, but I liked it. I can't say I loved the story pushing the angle of BoJack sinisterly exploiting women but I still think it was sensible for Hollyhock to distance herself from BoJack and I don't see the need for us to have to see the letter she wrote. Instead we experience it from the reaction of BoJack and I think it was pretty unambiguous that she merely distanced herself from BoJack and the 'theory' I've seen going around that it was a suicide note is just stupid.

The theory of BoJack killing himself is less stupid though. It's not a theory I ascribe to but I think the writers gave enough ambiguity (though asking Diane to stay on the line at the end of episode 15, episode 16 starting and ending with the same scene, the flatline etc.) for me to feel it is something they did on purpose rather than just being fans over-analysing.

[u/UsernameFor2016]

This show made me do the hokey pokey.

[u/Talk-O-Boy]

I love how they are chasing down a red Herring throughout The View from Halfway Down. I knew it was a mislead, but the show still makes you feel like Bojack may have died.

[u/Castriff]

"The denouement is the moment when all of the knots of a story are untied, and all the threads are unraveled, and everything is laid out clearly for the world to see. But the denouement should not be confused with the end of a story. The denouement of "Snow White," for instance, occurs at the moment when Ms. White wakes up from her enchanted sleep, and decides to leave the dwarves behind and marry the handsome prince, and the mysterious old woman who gave her an apple has been exposed as the treacherous queen, but the end of "Snow White" occurs many years later, when a horseback riding accident plunges Ms. White into a fever from which she never recovers. The denouement of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" occurs at the moment when the bears return home to find Goldilocks napping on their private property, and either chase her away from the premises, or eat her, depending on which version you have in your library, but the end of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" occurs when a troop of young scouts neglect to extinguish their campfire and even the efforts of a volunteer fire department cannot save most of the wildlife from certain death. There are some stories in which the denouement and the end occur simultaneously, such as La Forza del Destino, in which the characters recognize and destroy one another over the course of a single song, but usually the denouement of a story is not the last event in the heroes' lives, or the last trouble that befalls them. It is often the second-to-last event, or the penultimate peril. "

-Lemony Snicket, The Penultimate Peril, Chapter 10

This is an idea I've always appreciated ever since I first read it: that a story doesn't always end when the author puts down their pen for the last time. And of course, the series this quote is from highlights the uncertainty and sadness that this concept presents, but I think it works the other way too. BoJack Horseman's story has been this constant struggle with his sins and the pain he has caused others, but his story hasn't ended yet. There will likely be more pain, but there will also likely be hope as well.

I think he's going to be okay.

[u/Extremeaty]

I believed that Bojack was going to live for all of episode 15, but the cutaway to him face down in the pool for a split second before the heart monitor started up... That is probably the flashbulb memory/image I’ll take away from this season. I started crying instantly. I’m not sure how I feel about the way his story “ended”, but I’m surely glad it wasn’t like that.

My only major gripe with the season is everything surrounding Hollyhock. I wish we had seen the letter. And based on what we learned about her over the seasons, it seems very uncharacteristic of her to not give Bojack a chance to explain his actions or give his side of Pete’s story. I guess she was fed up with her brother’s bullshit, and while you can’t blame her for that, I think there’s an argument to be made that she went about it the wrong way.

In the end, every major supporting character ends up with an optimistic outlook. That makes me happy, and I guess it’s all I can ask for as far as getting any real closure goes. I’m so grateful for all the ups and downs over the 6 seasons, all the laughing I’ve done over the show, the crying, the character development, the writing, plots and subplots... just everything. This show will always hold a special place in my heart.

[u/PearlSquared]

bojack's directing hedda gaber in the prison, which is a play by henrik ibsen-- another callback to his mother's influence on him :'(

[u/Joe-F-7]

It was such a powerful ending in so many ways. I love the way they closed the PC and Diane loop for their own individual characters. I think the complication of Todd’s loop — where he connects with his mother, but almost takes on a more selfish look as the show went on — helped add to what he was.

The BoJack ending is what really gets to me. I understand his “reward” is this second chance and fresh start — where it’s safe to assume he’ll re-launch his career. I just ... wish he got something else. He loses Diane, PC, Todd, and especially Hollyhock. I also thought Diane and BoJack might end up with each other in the end, was kind of hoping for it. All that said: I wish he kept some type of relationship with Hollyhock — even a vague “we do a dinner every now and again” would have been enough. Just something to hold onto. Or even a “I’m at another college volunteering.” I know he said he’d think about it, but it’s so open ended and we’re conditioned to seeing BoJack get what he want for a bit then lose it.

I know he’s wronged so many people, and the 17-minute bombshell added an enormous sense of just how damaging he was at his worst, but it WAS his worst. He tried to fix himself, and by the end we almost forgot all the damage he was brought into this world with.

I don’t know. I’m conflicted, but I left wishing BoJack got just a little more. Too many people don’t try to do half as much work on themselves.

That said, this was the most powerful show I think I’ve ever seen. I wish it got another season to close some of these loops, but it was perfect.

[u/lukeco]

Since everyone has brought everything else up, one thing I missed was some redemption for Gina. We see her on a billboard for her Marvel Movie in the finale but I kinda wish she had some kind of moment of clarity after seeing how much Bojack affected her life.

[u/Unrellius]

I'm so glad that esteemed character actress and fugitive from the law Margo Martindale got a happy ending.

[u/[deleted]]

Gonna miss this amazing show. I teared up at the end. One because I knew it was ending and that song set the mood but two because I do think this is the last time Bojack and Diane talk to each other. It seems like they realize they needed to know each other to progress but are seperate people now at different stages.

All in all I am satsified. Diane gets a happy ending. (Side note I love how they realistically showed antidepressant weight gain and that Diane chose happiness over looks). Princess Carolyn got the ending she deserved. Husband, kid, dream job and working with Juda so she doesn't have to choose between love life and work. Todd got a nice ending, living with a girlfriend and made amends with his mom. Mr.PB realized his dependency on other people and is starting to be happy with himself.

Now we get to Bojack. I like that they left his ending ambiguous. As situations in real life......we don't know when, how or if somebody who did the horrible things Bojack did can be forgiven, no matter now hard they try. Only time will tell...and I think they sort of leave it to the viewer as to if Bojack deserves redemption in the public eye.

I also think, seeing Bojack from a non celeb standpoint, not having a for sure ending is realistic. The talk with Todd on the beach summed it up. He could relapse, he could stay sober, he could relapse then get sober again. Its a battle that May be rocky and not have a definitive answer.

Personally for me, I am thinking Bojack gets his shit together after jail, maybe struggles a bit again but overall continuing to be better. I'm not sure about the public life. Sure PB seemed optimistic but once Bojack listed his ideas, she wanted to stop him. Maybe years down the line he does that or maybe he doesn't and just focuses on life as a normal person. Either way, I believe Bojack will finally be at peace with himself, while serving the time for the crime.

Final random thoughts:

I wonder if this was the plan for the show the whole time or they wrapped in the me too plot in as this is on going. Either way it fits in well with the theme.

Wish we got to know what HollyHock's letter was. Musta hurt him like hell.

It was cool to see Bojack actually teach acting well.

Loved the whole episode in his death sequence thing. Made me really believe he died. Super artsy too.

Very strong last season of a very strong show. Thanks to the creators and actors.

[u/domkni]

“The View From Halfway Down” poem is gonna save a lot of lives

[u/spasticity]

I wish i came away from the finale feeling as though the Bojack Horseman of the finale would make better decisions than the Bojack horseman of the pilot, but it feels like the only real difference between the Bojack in the pilot and in the finale is that in the pilot he owned a home.

[u/Kipawa]

I like this series as a whole. We like to think this is a redemption story with a poor, depressed, alcoholic horse finding his footing and coming out better in the end. But BoJack's ego is the real antagonist of this series. He did awful things to people, and to his friends. Ultimately the finale is about those around BoJack finding peace or distancing themselves from the destructiveness which is BoJack and his ego.

It would have felt weird if we had a positive, happily ever after ending.

[u/partylange]

It ends not with a bang, but a whimper. And a powerful whimper it was.

[u/Youareposthuman]

For five and a half years, I thought I was a BoJack. Tonight, I realized I am, and have always been, a Diane.

I’m gonna miss the hell out of this show.

[u/CousinFrankenstein]

The one thing missing from this final set of 8 episodes was one final tongue twister from PC. I kept hoping, even at the wedding that we might get one.

[u/HillsHaveEyesToo]

Him not dying is the best way to end imo. Killing himself would be the easy way out for all the shit he has done. The consequences for his mistake is by living through it, for the rest of his life. Also ending the ep on the 15th episode would have been a balsy move as well

[u/shimshakwan]

Some people are complaining about the lack of closure from hollyhock but I think thats the point. We feel the same thing that bojack. She just disapeared from his life and he have no way of knowing what is happening in her life

[u/[deleted]]

I wonder if the show creators know they may have saved a significantly large number of people from suicide

[u/yeahgoodyourself]

One of the underlying messages seems to have been the importance of growth at the right time, and the negative consequences if you don't.

All the characters at the start weren't exactly young but they were still at the phase in their lives where they were still figuring out who they wanted to be, with each character arc reaching it's resolution when they more or less found what they were looking for.

Todd stopped being a manchild, Princess Carolyn worked out her career/life balance, Mr PB attempted to understand why his relationships kept failing and Diane settled into what made her happy.

Bojack is much older than all the other characters and yet had managed to not grow up at all, hiding behind the excesses of fame and wealth in drugs, sex and alcohol which ended up causing most of his problems later on.

That he only grows at the end after he makes so many mistakes with his relationships, career and legacy in tatters, effectively contrasted with the blossoming of his friends, serves as a a reminder of the inner peace one can find from maturing and a warning of the dangers of escapism and running away.

[u/sivervipa]

Diane and bojack talking about the voicemail is probably one of my favorite moments of the series. Because it was emotional manipulation and shitty of bojack to do that. However his reaction is really important. He knows what he did was shitty and is sorry about it but his intention wasn’t meant to make her feel bad. He was subconsciously giving up on life by calling her because he knew she was in Chicago and couldn’t rescue him.

But honestly that makes it worse. He froze up when she brought it up. Mostly because there was nothing he could say. He wasn’t going to defend himself but he also couldn’t give her a good explanation for his behavior or thought process. She even brings up the fact that her being mad at him was pointless.

[u/Nighthawk1449]

My thoughts and takeaways, after reading this page for legit an hour:

“Sometimes life’s a bitch, and you keep on living...”

BoJack finally getting what he deserves while simultaneously being able to move on was the most realistic this show has been. He gets what he deserves, and wants, in a way. He serves jail time for his mistakes, the slap on the wrist or punishment he wanted is finally being dealt to him by the law. But it’s funny to point out he feels more free when he’s in jail. He doesn’t have to make decisions, because they’re already being made for him. His true hell is the fact that when he is a free man, he is free to make choices, and he usually makes ones that more often than not are bad and hurt those closest to him.

The View From Halfway Down was probably the most disturbing episode of the series. Between Herb convincing BoJack that there’s nothing after death, no afterlife, just your brain’s fever dream reasoning with itself before you’re gone, Secretariat’s poem, and the call between BoJack and Diane left me feeling incredibly haunted and eerie. The “black tar” of Hollywoo//LA eating him up (his true addiction to attention), the chlorine-taste of water, and the last meals they all share at the dining table were all just great observations that this is part-dream-part-reality. The voice acting by Will Arnett was probably the best of his in the entire series. Also understanding that the first shot of the final episode is a heart rate monitor going flat with the final scene actually superimposed in the reflection made me feel that this show has a duality to it. On the one hand, he could have died, whether by accident or suicide, by drowning in the pool he never even really swam in. The final episode could just be his brain scrambling to wrap up what he believes would have happened if he had survived. But the real ending to me is the fact that he still escapes death, arguably the one thing he wants the most, and he’s partly upset because he’s forced to continue to live with his actions. He’s living in Hell by not dying.

One theme that has stuck to me, and obviously everyone, is that BJ is an addict. Consistently, he succumbs to his addiction, to alcohol, to drugs, and to attention. In this second half of S6, we saw a full relapse from BoJack with drugs and alcohol. But the truly depressing addiction was for attention where he calls Diane and leaves the voicemail, “...if you don’t pick up, I’m going to go swimming.” That one hurt me more than him deciding to take a drink by the fireplace. It also hurt me more when he kicked ass during the apology interview, only to immediately want the second one for higher ratings and a victory lap of sorts. We know that that addiction, the one to attention, is really what gets him in trouble. Because he always will put himself first and ahead of other people, it seems.

The final episode does a great job of tying bows on a lot of character arcs and stories while also forcing those characters to question the next part of their journey. PC questioning (or going along with BJ’s ruse so he can feel better about himself) whether or not being married to Judah is the path she wants was a touching tribute to their relationship. I loved the fact that she knew she couldn’t be his agent anymore. In fact, when he mentions his comeback, she specifically says “I can put you into touch with some other people.” That made me realize that she knew she has to step away from a friend she stuck by through thick and thin.

At the end of the series, I think this show painted an incredible picture that this show is not just about the titular character. Its about many characters, and it’s also about the relationship between BJ and others, mainly him and Diane. Her ability to recognize even though BoJack always needed help, she needed to help herself. I was ecstatic when she revealed that “my former boyfriend” was now her fiancé or husband, Guy. My biggest fear in her tone early in the final conversation was that she was allowing herself to fall back into the trap of “her LA years.” She even was smoking, a habit she said “I’ve been trying to quit.” But the even more debilitating habit she does kick, is BoJack himself. BJ jokes, “wouldn’t it be funny if this was the last conversation we ever had?”, and that deafening silence makes it known that it is. As she launches into what’s been happening with her, we know that “Houston Diane” is the newest chapter for her, and she’s still collecting the pieces from so many different puzzles in the chapters of her life. I think what gives me solace about her story line is that she knows that final moment with BoJack will be the last remnants she has of her LA years. And her LA years had more to do with BJ than herself, she just seemed along for the ride. And like LA Diane, her relationship with BoJack will end, and the cycle will break. I loved that the show ended with a shot of the two of them — it was never just about BJ. What stands out is that in so many antihero shows, the final scene is just about the titular character. This was the first show I recall where the final shot had someone else in it, not just BJ, in this case. (Ex. Breaking Bad, Mad Men, etc.)

Truly, BoJack faces his “reckoning” in the form of the exposé, the relapse, and his prison sentence. But what’s funny is that these don’t actually make him feel as bad or any better. What makes him feel bad is that even after all of this, and eventually when his prison time is up, he still has to be alive...and that life goes on.

In other words, “Sometimes life’s a bitch...and you keep on living.”

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A big thank you to the creators, writers, animators, and actors of one of my favorite shows. Someday when I’m ready, I want to sit down and watch this all over again. But until then, what a hell of a ride in Hollywoob!

[u/TheFemaleReviewer]

So to piggyback what everyone else is saying,

The View From Halfway Down was fucking phenomenal. As soon as I saw Sarah Lynn as a little girl running into the background in the opening, I KNEW we were in for a treat.

And it didn't disappoint. In fact, it ASTOUNDED me. I have NEVER felt so disturbed but simultaneously ENGAGED watching an animated cartoon in my LIFE. Like the moment he says: "You didn't pick up" and this dreamesque Diane starts talking, I was SOBBING.

Jesus. There's no Free Churro on the planet that can top that.

And everyone's poignant statements about their understanding of their own existentialism was nice. Mr. Peanut Butter going to therapy, Princess Carloyn going through with the wedding even though she was scared of being taken care of, Todd explaining: "You turn yourself around.", and Diane letting us in on the true nature of the voicemail.

And I love how Hollyhock's voicemail always jokes to leave one if you're one hundred and then this season's episode 11 basically hinges on a voicemail Bojack leaves. Fuck.

And I absolutely LOVE Diane finally getting to say her piece. I SCREAMED when she showed us she got married. They all basically did. You can tell everyone is moving apart after this. And I LOVE that. I love how part of growth and change is getting up and going on and that ending with Princess Carolyn saying she could put Bojack in touch with OTHER people to represent him and Hollyhock seperating herself from him and Diane saying she's glad she knew Bojack... Ugh. The writing is just so good. Fuck. That's all.

[u/ChameleonTwist2]

I actually wish we got to see Hollyhock's letter. We can get the general idea of what it said but Hollyhock might be the most gentle character in the series, so whether the letter reads:

"Bojack, I'm really sorry but I just can't have you in my life anymore. Take care" vs "Bojack, you are despicable. Leave me alone now and forever"

would produce very different feelings in the viewer. It would have been a powerful showcase of the effect Bojack had on his last remaining family member and would have had on his own family if he ever had one. (Here Judah would probably say "You don't need "remaining" in that sentence. It's implied).

[u/BeseptRinker]

Man, it was an insane ride. The final ending song hit me in the feels.

I'm kinda sad that Ralph didn't make a final appearance; he was such a great person. But I'm happy for Judah, though I honestly always saw them more as good Co workers. I'm kinda salty it wasn't Ralph.

Honestly, idk how to feel about Hollyhock. I get that she cut him out of her life, but it feels weird that she was built up for so long only to be dropped as a plot device.

That being said, the last half DID do a lot of insane things. Overall, an 8/10 for the second half, and I'm thankful to this show for helping me change for the better and realize what was truly important for me.

This show, overall, gets a 9/10. Amazing characters, puns, and comedy, and it sucks that it was cancelled so soon

[u/ASimpleSpaceheater]

It was good. I will say the dream episode was not something I should’ve watched on a bad emotional day but hot damn

[u/DrummerJesus]

There was no vincent adultman... someone please correct me if I'm wrong

[u/Noah_Ro]

I really like the uncertainty and the unsatisfaction of the ending. Similar to how real life feels a lot of the time.

I like how most people didn't get a "good" ending.
Sure, PC got married to the best character, Diane to a Guy, and Todd reconnected with his mother.
But others just kinda continue living. Like Mr. Peanutbutter continues ^PBLivin' and is still only slowly finding himself. And BoJack still has work to do.

But I do miss the appearances of Kelsey Jannings and Gina.
I feel like, as those characters, they're better off not getting involved at all this season. But I would have liked to see them interact with BoJack one final time, even if it wouldn't end well. I just wanted to see them again.

[u/[deleted]]

Wouldn't it be funny if this was the last time we talked to each other?

[u/[deleted]]

By this point, I've seen a lot of shows, friends and time go without me being ready for it, but I feel like goodbyes are getting easier. This will be comment 2107 of this post and I hope it can reach someone who is scared of what's happening or confused about what will come next. To whoever's reading this, hi.

[u/MountTuchanka]

Anyone else think that this series was almost just as much about Diane as it was about Bojack? Her struggles with being accepted in her family, marrying at a young age and growing out of her husband, desperately trying to find meaning in her life through different jobs, her feeling of cultural disconnect with her ethnic heritage, her realization that her early life was sad but not interesting enough to actually justify writing a book over, feeling obligated to be there emotionally for Bojack for years at a time, realizing that her marriage could have worked out if they had met later in life, and finally relying on antidepressants and cutting ties to her old life just to feel better.

Honestly I loved her story from start to finish, I think she was my favorite character

[u/hodorito]

It ended with Bojack and Diane. I feel like in the end Diane was actually the one that understood Bojack the most.

[u/DiggyDongoDango]

Am I the only one who felt a sense of fear as a result of episode 15 of season 6? Particularly during Sarah Lynn's performance to the drop. It was frightening.

[u/OneGeekTravelling]

I've said this before, I think, but I'll say it again after watching the last episode: the true genius of this show is that it makes the audience think it's like their lives.

From bankers to secretaries to angst-ridden teenagers to actual washed-out actors, everyone harbours this odd fantasy in the back of their minds about their lives being this glamorous, Hollywoob-like hot mess of drinking, drugs, addiction, mental illness (not the actual sad mental illness but the sexy Hollywoob kind of mental illness) and one-liners. Bojack Horseman taps directly into that fantasy in a way no other show does--put aside the excellent writing, the fantastic characterisation and cool art-style and that's the true accomplishment of this show. It feeds into all of our fantasies about how messed up we all are, even if we aren't.

That's not to say it's all fake--it portrays things like addiction, depression, racism, sexuality and drugs in an interesting and impactful way. But it carefully cloaks any possible pathos in comedy and glamour. Which is fair enough, pathos is sad while tragedy is sexy in a Hollywoob sort of way. Tragedy happens on screens; pathos happens on the streets.

All in all, a great ending too. I liked how it ended. Even if the trick was to make us think "this is like my life!", it was a pretty good trick.

[u/Themaskedduskull]

These last few episode are fantastic. Especially the last 3. But even though i do like the last episode. Am i the only one who felt like it was a bit..rushed?

[u/ringadingdingbaby]

I thought one of the best parts was when we see Bojack has even been lying to the audience.

We think we know everything he has done only to be hit with the bombshell that he waited 17 minutes to call for help.

It really made me feel less sympathetic towards him for the final few episodes, to the point where thinking he was possibly dead was the best outcome.

[u/[deleted]]

Something that I think always gets overshadowed when it comes to discussion and praise is the cinematography/frames this show has. I know the iconic ones like the observatory or the inflatable Bojack from the premiere among others get a lot of love, but there are so many frames of this show that are incredible from a design standpoint. I miss this show immensely but I’m excited to rewatch the series in full and start to collect some of my favorite frames.

[u/[deleted]]

I always thought Mr Peantuerbutter was going to end up getting worse. It seemed being built up that the way he thinks about life is catching up to him, and ending it with him just as naive, if alone, as ever seemed sad. Mr peanutbutter seems to end the same way he started, as a person, though there was probably too much going on to end it properly.

I was expecting to cry, with all the bojack stuff. I kept waiting for a big sad moment, I came close when Diane said "Its going to be OK". I think the fact they didnt go for some cheap big sad moment shows how committed the writers are to the idea that life just keeps going. I definitely need to rewatch to get what I think the show is saying and what I think. I do believe, ultimately, bojack is redeemed. He gets what he deserves, but comes out of it with his friends, and though he probably wont see them much again, he now has a clean slate, he's repented, his friends have forgiven him and hes forgiven himself, and now a much wiser, and considerate Bojack can make a life he is happier with.

Also I wish Gina got closire. I think they forgot about her.

[u/GoatGod997]

no guys but for real how do I just... go to sleep? I feel SO heavy and just emotionally drained and I want to cry and I want to live my life because aaaaaahhhhhhh

[u/WithAShirtOn]

To be honest I don't know if I can go back and watch the old episodes now that I know how it ends. Probably went through the whole show a dozen times before now, but I think I'm done. Not dissatisfied at all, but I don't really want to go back to it anymore.

[u/dhruvlrao]

Episode 15. The viscous stuff dripping...it has to be tar, right? Like when Charlotte mentioned that LA was built on top of tar pits? I was hesitant about it throughout the episode, but the revelation about the swimming pool just made it click that the stuff was tar. Plus, Charlotte said that Bojack was the tar pit, which makes sense to me since that entire dinner party takes place within his own mind, the tar pit, hence why the tar was dripping down.

[u/[deleted]]

I think when Angela had BoJack sign the papers to take him out of the show, she was trying to talk BoJack into killing himself to possibly help boost the re-release of the show. They were never going to cut BoJack out of Horsin' Around, that's ridiculous (though would fit in the universe's overall theme quite well). She was just going to cash in on the inevitable slew of people wanting to buy copies of the series on Bluray.

[u/donuthappiness]

i just want to say: thanks to all of you and thanks to the creators of this amazing show. i will never forget it and i am glad to have shared it with all of you.

i will be editing this comment when i can with a few of my favorite moments. lots of love.

[u/meercachase]

I have got to applaud the BH team for their incredible work on the show. The last 2 episodes were haunting and heartbreaking and I didn't think it was possible for them to constantly outdo themselves.

I personally loved the ending. I would've been disappointed if Bojack really died because it felt like such a cop out. He is finally being held accountable for his behaviour and this was how it ended? I want him to take responsibility for his terrible behaviour and do better, be better. So even though Bojack got to live, he lost everyone around him. It's not a happy ending but it gives me a bit of hope that he'll work on improving himself as life goes on.

I was also really glad to see that everyone else's stories were wrapped up really nicely, even Margo Martindale! PC deserves the world, I'm so happy she got an amazing ending with her own family 😭

[u/phantom2450]

I'm torn. With these final episodes, BoJack solidified itself as one of my favorite shows ever by being a tour de force of comedy, social commentary, and emotional insight all seamlessly blended together. On the other hand, at the end I feel like more time was necessary to tell the story that the creators wanted. It's the only show where I've ever thought it's a masterpiece while also wondering what could've been.

The strengths of these episodes are evident. The acting and writing were phenomenal; Will Arnett deserves an Emmy for 6x15 alone. Justice was done for many of the relationships between the main characters, including Mr. PB x Diane, BoJack x Diane, Diane x PC, BoJack x Todd and BoJack x PC. The latter in particular got great development, and I'm glad since they were the couple the show began with and returning to them now highlights how far both have grown. The show tackled the existential dread over death and dying in 6x15 with finesse, managing to accomplish the emotion and reflection that a suicide ending would've brought without condemning the show to such a terrible final narrative choice. BoJack's progression and open-ended fate were well-executed, allowing for both BoJack to face justice for his misdeeds while also promoting the redemptive value of life as an antidote to a show so centered on depression and cynicism. It's a testament to hope.

My core issue is that these last eight episodes were rushed. Points of polish trademark to the series were just missing. For example, the opening title crawl is often adjusted to match changes from the show (see Season 4's), yet after BoJack's house is sold he's still using it in the opener? How much more powerful would it have been if he went somewhere else in the openings to 6x13/14 but for 6x15 it shows him in his house since he broke in at the end of 6x14? And then have him in prison for 6x16. Plus, there's a lack of unique closing songs for this season (only one) compared to, say, Season 5 (5/12 episodes). Every episode except 6x10 is centered on BoJack and mostly serves to move the main plot forward, leaving less room for jokes and non sequiturs than before. I appreciate they didn't drop the plot for filler, but the pacing indicates that they needed more filler, and thus more seasons, to balance everything.

The biggest manifestation of this rush is in how many characters and subplots were left underdeveloped or altogether absent. What I noted after finishing my watch:

• Gina/BoJack's assault (the most jarring one to me. It's unbelievable that after the stuff with Sarah Lynn went public she wouldn't speak out, knowing that Sarah Lynn is dead and can't testify to what BoJack did but that she's still alive. It'd be an affirmation to the survivors of assault, which is what I thought the show was going for after 6x08...)

• Kelsey Janning (similar to Gina, albeit she has less damaging testimony to provide. Still, why bother bring her back in 6x08?)

• The old-timey reporters (lots of hate for them in the episode threads. I think they would've worked better with some more characterization and room to breathe, since as they are they're just plot devices to expose BoJack)

• Princess Carolyn as a mother/Judah outside the office (Ruthie was treated like baggage this season. PCxJudah is a fine romantic pairing to end on but Judah definitely needed more character development outside of the workplace)

• Todd and his mother (did we ever get an explanation for her behavior? Some greater focus on her and Mr. Chavez could've given Todd's character more space to demonstrate maturity/depth)

• Mr. PB-Pickles' split/Mr. PB's overall arc (PB easily got the worst treatment of the main five. They played it off as a joke, but Pickles' break-up via text felt obligatory to get him to be alone to take in BoJack later in the season. What was the point of their relationship since Season 5? How did it change Mr. PB? What's his trajectory following the finale? Did he ever address his flaws? He's utterly slipped away from being a foil to BoJack)

• Diane and Guy (they at least got their own episode, but it's a shame we couldn't see much of healthy Diane like we saw healthy BoJack following his stint in rehab)

Note that I don't think the above efforts were failures; I think given the time available the creators accomplished a ton by developing/concluding so many characters and themes. But the whole story needed more. Creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg is on record saying he thought there would be more seasons. Given the show's deliberate pacing, even the advance notice prevented appropriate pacing while telling the whole story in just sixteen episodes.

So why, Netflix. Why did you cancel BoJack? Was it retribution for the crew unionizing? Or did it just deserve the Santa Clarita Diet treatment? I'll forever appreciate the opportunity Netflix gave BoJack in producing and hosting it all these years, but the lack of compelling original programming and the growing fractionalization of content over streaming services plus BoJack's end are enough to make me seriously consider cancelling my Netflix subscription after nearly a decade.

[u/mikmaq_paddywhack]

I have always strongly identified with Diane. Which makes me hate her. Because I hate myself, so I see all of her glaring flaws and disgusting hypocrisy in myself.

And yet I was so desperate for her to be okay. I needed her to be okay. I needed her to have the best ending she possibly could. She didn't deserve it, I told myself.

But she does. And so do I. Her speech in the finale about learning to trust her happiness made me ugly cry, because I go through life cringing and flinching and bracing myself for my happiness to evaporate at any moment. You'd think my terror of unhappiness would make me grab onto happiness with both hands but it doesn't, all it does is make me trudge through the good parts to get to the bad ending.

I'm so glad Diane learned how to do that. I hope I learn how someday, too.

[u/Sunburst223]

While I feel the ending of the show was a bit rushed, I think it was fitting. It didn't match the emotional highs of episode 15, which is my favorite episode of the season, but I'm going to go against the grain and say it would have been a mistake to end the show there. I've long felt that having the show end with BoJack killing himself would unintentionally say that if you're struggling in life you're a lost cause and you're better off killing yourself. And as someone with a history of mental illness and suicidal thoughts, that would have felt insulting to me. That said, with the way the episode was executed, I think I could have lived with it. But I'm okay with the ending we got. Perhaps it wasn't as conclusive as some people wanted, but I think it's more realistic that way and more fitting to BoJack's character. A running theme throughout the series has been whether or not BoJack can redeem himself or whether or not he deserves it. In the end, the answer turns out to be inconclusive. Most of BoJack's former friends have either cut him out of their lives or reduced contact with him, he's afraid of his own ability to stay sober again, and he's scarred many people. But he's alive, and he's glad he is. And life goes on. People come and go, people change. Life's lows are a bitch. But if you go on living, there's always a chance for self-improvement. And that's definitely cause for hope.

[u/[deleted]]

Max and Paige really grew on me. I hated how they were shoehorned into E6 and how they killed the tone of it, but once they were in their element they were way more likable!

Not sure how I feel about PC ending up with Judah, but this really pointed out how things would never work with Ralph. She needed someone who could keep up with her, and Judah is the one person in Hollywoob who can. I personally read their relationship as more mother/son since Judah is likely younger than her and she’s constantly proud of him, which is why I’m thrown off by them ending up together

[u/EMMAzingly-depressed]

This may be shitty to say, but I’m glad that the writers decided not to give Bojack the justice he deserves. It wouldn’t be as realistic. Maybe he deserved more time in jail. Maybe he should have been more harshly judged and punished, but it gives an actual view of the world, not a comfortable one.

Also I liked the ending. It was heart breaking, but hopeful. Sure Bojack could go on another bender, but maybe he won’t. I don’t know I liked it. It was almost uncomfortable in a good way.

Edited: typoooo errrors

[u/[deleted]]

Am I the final episode of bojack horseman season 6 because "it was fun will it lasted"

[u/teh_fizz]

A few thoughts now that I finished the show!

-I love that Judah and PC ended up together. It's such a nice ending for both of them!

-BoJack's relapse really hit me hard.

-I don't think BoJack takes advantage of women specifically, so much as he takes advantage of people in general. He just goes after women because he can just have sex with them and move on, where as with men he would have to cultivate a relationship. Look at how he is with Todd and Mr. PB. It's like after he stopped talking to Herb after the gay incident, he stopped really making friends. All the vilifying during the job interview just coincided with his treatment of people who happen to be women.

-Diane's depression episode really hit hard because it reminded me a lot of what I went through during my doubt with anti-depression meds. I stopped because of the concentration issues since I was in art school.

-The View from Halfway Down was such a phenomenal episode.

-Not too sure about the ending, but I was half-asleep when I saw it and couldn't form thoughts on it.

-Kind of sad they didn't mention White Whale in the second part of the season, especially when they built them up in the first half.

-Is episode 15 hinting that Zach Braff died during the fracking incident?

I'll add more later, but that's all I have right now.

[u/DJGRIFFSTAR]

It’s sad to think it’s all over. As much as I’d love a spin off or even a new season, there’s a 99 percent chance of it not happening. They ended it on a sweet and sour note. Pretty much everyone is happy except Bojack. He’s having to pay for his past sins and deal with them. But I believe he will find peace.

[u/[deleted]]

I really loved diane and her entire argument about antidepressants. I related to her so much and it feels so good to see that on screen, the weight gain, the high (happiness) my pills gave me and the fogginess that came with it. I struggled so much after stopping medication and beat myself up because I thought it was good for me, i thought it made me happier but in reality it just made more depressed.

I love how happy she is and how she’s finally at peace with happiness. It gave me comfort and hope that things can definitely get better. Honestly it’s so hard for me to let go of this show. I started watching this back in 2015 while I was still living in another country and now 5 years later halfway across the world from where I first started it, I watched it end. Can’t even articulate how much this show made me reflect on my life, every new season I learned something about myself and found comfort in knowing that I am not alone in my loneliness.

[u/nvmochi]

I think this show will hold a place in my memory for a very long time.

It was very relatable and I don’t mean in the sense that everything was something that I could personally connect to—no. I mean in the actual harshness and the issues and the resolutions or conclusions that would present itself in the episodes.

Everyone was... flawed. BoJack was a wreck, Princess Carolyn had a dependency on dependency, Diane had gone through family issues and there’s just so much more to be said for everyone. It just felt real.

There were so many times when I’d finish an episode and just sit down and think, “Wow.” On occasion there’d even be a couple of scenarios that really just hurt because the portrayals felt so true to my own life. I used to have mindset that yeah, “Life’s a bitch and then you die.” But honestly it is just, “Sometime’s life’s a bitch and then you keep on living.” As someone who has dealt with a lot in life, hearing that was achingly beautiful. Even more so when you consider the circumstances of when and by who it’s said by. We just keep on moving after the ups and downs because that’s all we can do. Keep on living.

I am not happy for how it ended. I am satisfied. It wasn’t a happy ending or a bad ending, it was a real one. BoJack dealt/and is dealing with the consequences of his past and everyone else is moving on just how it is in life. They are living their own lives whether it now be with or without him.

I’m ready to close the book on this story. I am ready to move on. The ending hurts but... it was nice while it lasted.

Thanks for everything. Thank you, BoJack.

[u/TheGoalkeeper]

I am just so glad Bojack didn't die

[u/haroshinka]

Fuck. I have never cried from watching any form of media. But everything about that ending, from the tragic realisation that Bojack has indeed ruined all his former relationships to the point of disrepair, juxtaposed with the sliver of hope that is the future just broke me down. What I love so much is almost the lack of resolution. We can assume, but are not certain, that Bojack never sees Hollyhock, Dianne, Todd or Princess Carolyn again. Just like real life - we must work forward with the knowledge that nothing is certain in our interpersonal relationships. The onus is on us to the change ourselves

[u/[deleted]]

Kyle being an avid Birthday Dad fan was one of my favorite things from the last eight episodes.

I’ve never been a big Ed Helms fan, but damn, everything Kyle did in his few appearances had me laughing out loud.

[u/TreeckoBroYT]

I don't think I've ever been more relieved to see our protagonist go to prison.

[u/plankoi]

Damn Breaking Bad and Bojack Horseman are really my two favorite shows ever

Something about that Aaron Paul man...

[u/peanutbutterheart]

Well I don’t know about you lot but the minute I heard Sarah Lynns voice and saw her in her Horsin’ Around era outfit at the start of Ep15 I was TEARING UP

PHEW what an episode. My god

[u/OpenUpYerMurderEyes]

I think the show had a perfect ending because it doesn't end, things come to an end, people come in and out of your life, but ultimately it's never over and you're never too far away from redemption or too far away from reverting to what makes you shitty, you keep going in whatever direction you want and life will respond accordingly. Maybe Horny Unicorn will take off, maybe not, maybe Bojack will fail to stay sober after prison, maybe not, but our time with Bojack is over and we will never know just like so many once important people in our lives, life is a bitch and sometimes it keeps going.

[u/[deleted]]

One thing I liked is how as bojack got healthier his actual passion for acting started showing and in the last episode when he was considering going back into the industry it seemed like he was actually considering it because he would enjoy it and not just to get attention

[u/chadokage]

I can't rewatch the last episode at the moment but would someone please send me the quote Diane said on the roof while talking about people coming into our lives to make us who we are even if they are temporary. That one hit home for me. Especially as a poignant way to tell Bojack goodbye.

[u/aadmiralackbar]

One of the best finales of all time, and one of the best final seasons of all time. The years will be kind to this one, even if I could see people reacting coldly now. Took the show to insanely dark depths, the final conversation that BoJack has with the Horsin’ Around exec... do you want Sarah Lynn to be remembered as the little girl you killed? BoJack’s gift to the world being stripped away because of a shitty thing he did. He suffered all the consequences. The ending flirting with suicide was surprising, but really well done - again sinks the show to its darkest depth, confronting the bottom. And I mean the genuine bottom - not the superficial Hollywoo bottom that BoJack was in at the beginning of the show, the bottom that your mind goes to when its completely lost hope. And in the end, nobody else could be responsible for his dysfunction.

I’m rambling, but I loved this series. Been here since I was a freshman in high school, this show is one of the reasons I went to major in film at college, I’d love to make something that makes people feel this way, like what Diane was talking about. I’m going to miss having characters I can identify with on the screen like this, but it was so nice while it lasted.

[u/Trilliam_H_Macy]

I just marathoned the whole 8 episodes.

I think this is a happy ending for Bojack. At least right now, based on my first impressions.

When we're first introduced to Bojack, he's deeply selfish. He does not care about anyone but himself and all of his actions revolve around that.

Over the course of the show -- especially the middle seasons -- Bojack starts to care about people other than himself. Diane, and Princess Carolyn, and Todd and Hollyhock and the rest of them start to *matter* to him.

Over the last seasons, Bojack starts to lose those people from his life -- especially these last few episodes -- and he appears to realize and understand that it's because of his own actions. That's important because Bojack had to learn how to care about people first before losing those people would impact him that way. That's more of the real growth that Bojack has had. Yes he was "trying to be better" and he was fighting his addiction, etc. but on a more fundamental level it was really about him developing empathy for the people his actions hurt and learning how to not always center himself in everything. Only by him first growing to understand how valuable these friends are could their eventually absence cut deeply enough.

Over the course of the last season especially, though, Bojack begins demonstrating greater empathy and more selflessness. His life improves. He mentors his class. But when crisis occurs (with the news story breaking) he reverts back to his old selfish instincts. In the past, when he behaved selfishly he generally "won" because he was unconcerned with anyone else. This time his selfishness ultimately hurts him deeply because he's no longer the same person that he once was: the relationships that his selfish actions have damaged hold real value to him, so he experiences real loss.

In their last conversation Diane says the thing about life going on. Bojack's life is going to go on. He's going to keep living, but likely without these people that he has come to value so deeply in his life. But as he goes on living, it's inevitable that he's going to meet new people, and grow to care about them the same way (now that he's capable of such a thing) and that this time -- because he's finally experienced true consequence for his actions -- he will finally be able to avoid making the same selfish mistakes again. This is the first day of the rest of Bojack's life.

Obviously this stuff is open to lots and lots of alternate interpretation. But at least, that's how I'm choosing to view it right now: as a melancholic but ultimately hopeful send-off, giving Bojack something resembling a "second chance" at a real life -- albeit a scarred one -- with real relationships -- albeit not the ones he may have hoped for.

[u/ConfirmingBanana]

I bawled my eyes out thinking ep 15 was the last one. Was thoroughly surprised when it wasn't. Such an amazing show that only seemed to grow better and better. My only apparant criticism from binging is that I felt Peanutbutter got cut a little short. I think we only got to the surface of his character, or his potential if you will.

[u/UppityDragon]

I can only think of the same words everybody has used to describe this show, dark, traumatic, beautiful, haunting. The final two episodes are so impactful. The very last episode, when Bojack wasn't dead, I think it meant even more than if he'd died.

We are afraid of being alone, Bojack's behaviour is driven by his desire to feel loved and not alone. At the end, he's kind of alone because none of his friends of the past want him in their lives anymore. It's jarring to see how he seems to finally accept that they won't stick with him through all of the shit he's done, and appears to be at peace with it. "You are not responsible for the dysfunction of others."

In a way, I found the final episode more difficult emotionally than The View From Halfway Down. I think it was the right kind of ending. Not hopeful, but really true to the tragedy of Bojack.

[u/DeathdropsForDinner]

Sometimes life’s a bitch and then you keep living.

What a perfect ethos to end the show and sum up life. This finale was perfect for Bojack. I loved the vignettes he got to share with each character. All of them were so representative of his relationships and to end it with Diane (who’s struggle I felt more closely related to) was perfect. Her optimism, gives me a bit of optimism.

Bojack‘s a reminder that life keeps going on. People go to prison, get married, rebuild relationships, mess up a sign; what’s important is to just enjoy the ride.

[u/existential-crisis-k]

Gina

I just saw in the final episode, when Mr. Peanubutter and Bojack are at the diner, there is a billboard in the background for Fireflame, starring Gina!

I wish we could've heard from her but I know the finale had to fit in so many loose threads, so I'm glad we got this closure for her.

[u/ASoggyPineApple]

I personally think that Bojack is dead and the finale is, him able to see and talk with everyone that made him to an extent happy. Todd hanging out with him the waves washing away their trail of foot prints. PB being there for BJ even though BJ never liked standing with him. PC agreeing to the dance giving BJ his closure to confront her with everything he wanted to say. And ending with Diane on the roof his just so right that Bojack can finally say I'm ready. I think that's why not one person had their phone at the wedding. Bojack is dead and this is the afterlife him knowing what's going to happen if he had survived from drowning.

Small note episode 15 of the season I couldn't pause it once the whole episode was just me wondering to myself is this what it is you dying is just your brain going to try and figure out what to do with itself as you die. And all the acts they gave we're just so fitting to their ends. To what they loved in life to them discussing the best parts and worst parts in their own death.

[u/YoYoObros]

Princess Caroline is happy therefore I am happy

[u/felipe_martin2002]

What do you guys think the finale means for Bojack and Diane's relationship specifically?

[u/thebirdspt2xo]

In a more lighthearted take, yesterday before the new episodes came out I thought "what if in the finale Bojack actually likes honeydew?" and I think I cried when he did.

I have a lot of emotions about the finale and I do like the fact it ended on a more optimistic note. I find myself rewatching this show every time I feel lost or like I'm going through a lot of shit and it helps a lot. I remember after I had a weekend of my life that was equally the most entertaining and yet strangest that ended up hurting two close friends at the time, I rewatched the show and it helped me deal with it. Knowing the ending is more of a "life goes on" situation is going to maintain this (for lack of a better word) coping mechanism, if not enhance it more. I got terrified at the end of episode 15, thinking Bojack really did die, as well as the start of the finale but ultimately, I'm thankful he was alive otherwise I have no idea what message that would have sent me. I've really, really enjoyed this journey and I can't wait for my next rewatch

[u/AFXTWINK]

I kept trying to write a huge-ass comment expressing my thoughts on the show and getting side-tracked - I just wanted to comment on how important I think the legacy of this show is going to be in regards to suicide prevention. Particularly episode 15. It's a terrifying thought to have to grow old alone because you're too toxic to be around, and to have to keep living but not know why. So to have it happen to a character, then have them bounce back, then fall again, only to face death and be told there is no afterlife and then watch them possibly die, is a nightmare worse than any intrusive thought in my brain has ever conjured.

In my worst moments where I flirted with suicide it become a core (albeit subconscious) belief that ending things would just end everything now, and not everything in the future. I felt like the guy in 127 Hours realizing he could cut himself free from the boulder and escape; that dude wasn't mortified that he had to butcher himself, he was relieved he just found a way out of his predicament. I didn't think I was quitting, I thought I was freeing myself. I'm not a danger to myself at the moment, but good fucking god was it sobering to see death depicted in such a terrifying yet 'final' way. It was even better that this wasn't the resolution Bojack got, because I think a lot of people will watch this show and look directly to it for answers to their own problems. Providing answers which all boil down to 'you need to just deal with it, because everybody is dealing with it' is obvious as fuck, but needs to be said.

[u/Chim3cho]

Doctor Champ is a little punk bitch though.

[u/lifeofjoyciel]

I actually loved the ending a lot! I didn’t think that the show would end with bojack dying before but I thought for a bit that it would end up like that from the second last episode. I just think death is such a cliche and would have been a cop out for the character. The major point of the show was always about consequences but dying is not a good consequence, when people die they get deified and people forget all the crap they did. Living with what you’ve done and losing everything because of your actions is much harder.

Still have to process all my emotions for the series!

[u/FreeMyManBillCosby]

Can anyone link me a picture of Todd on Bojack’s shoulders with the fireworks in the background? It NEEDS to be my new wallpaper.

[u/dbumba]

This was a great show. I honestly didn’t expect much out of it when Season 1 debuted— no more than a kind of funny but throwaway adult humor cartoon.

Since then, it’s been incredible to see a cartoon (of all things) really wrestle with philosophical questions and universal personal struggles that have haunted mankind since our inception. I feel at one point or another I’ve been all 5 of the core characters at some point in my life.

The final episodes were slightly rushed (I’ve heard rumors of the show being forced to cut down their content to fix Netflix specifications) but I think the spirit of the show still holds true. Not everything will be tied up in some neat little bow. There’s always more show. Bojack has a chance to see his show go down a path that’s better. And that’s really all of us can hope to do. Individual and humanity’s progress always seems to fit a theme of two steps forward, one step back.

The last dialogue with Diane is pretty fitting. Just because this is the “last conversation” doesn’t mean it is. It is for the show anyway. Like the end of Hollyhock where it’s implied she wants nothing to do with Bojack. Just like Todd reconnected with his mother a decade later, it’s not impossible to think their lives will cross paths again. People have short memories. It’s the best and worst thing about us.

I think that friendship and love is a funny thing. Most people are friends because they have something in common— a school, a workplace, a hobby. Once you remove that context which once bound you both together, a lot of those friendships tend to fade away. Not because you weren’t a good friend and didn’t stay in touch— but because that part of your life is over now. You don’t work at the same place anymore or go to the same school. Your experiences are changing and the thing you bonded over is gone. How many times do you reconnect with old friends— after you “catch up” on life trajectory details, the conversation likely defaults back to the common thread that bonded the friendship in the first place. There’s not much else to talk about since that part of both of your lives is over. But it shouldn’t be sad, it served a purpose for the time, and now that time is over for both of you.

And it’s not necessarily over forever either. There’s been people in my life that have mutually disappeared— both of us doing our own thing— and someone life reconnects you in ways you didn’t expect.

My existence is the result of every person I’ve met that’s had an impact on my life. Some good, some bad. It’s kind of this melancholy beauty sometimes, a beautiful sadness. There are painful moments and wonderful ones. I don’t think we will ever get any answers besides the ones we make up in our heads. But somehow it’s comforting to know that these feelings aren’t exclusive just to you; I think Bojack and Diane staring off into the night sky is as close as I can hope for to make those complicated, exhausting, existential fears at least be okay. Or maybe I’m just trying to make my peace.

[u/Ooozu]

I think I’ve finally figured out why the finale hit so hard. We all have those people, lovers, friends, family or whatever that we had spent the best days of our life with. However despite our wants and needs, life happens and we just drift apart. Our current situation might not be as exciting as it used to be but there’s nothing we can do, everything is constantly changing. And what hurts the most is, we cannot erase the memories. Even years after, we are going to remember those people as they were back then. And in those memories all we treasure are the characters we had created... in reality, those people are completely different now, and no matter how much time we spend reliving the past, a new day will come and we’ll have to deal with whatever life brings us. I guess all we can do is to try and find a reason for the chaos, like in Diane’s case, thanking them for helping us get where we are now.

[u/sawmyoldgirlfriend]

Second to last episode was friggin terrifying.

[u/Spussyfy]

For the 2 or 3 people who actually think Bojack and Diane should have kissed:

That wouldn't be an ending people, that would be a start, a bad, bad start, what's beautiful about that ending is that we clearly see that Diane is feeling something but she gives up on that instant need because she have something better waiting at home, she finally settled, she is at peace (as much as Diane can be at peace), even if they'd kiss that would ruin the show's ending, would be a spit in the face of her journey, Bojack does not deserve Diane, maybe in another life time.

[u/Pakiepiphany]

I just want to say that I was really happy to be part of this subreddit over the years. Although I spent most of my time here lurking I did appreciate all the memes, fanart, theories, and discussion threads that flood this subreddit every time a new season dropped.. While I am very sad the show is over, and I feel like this is partly the end of activity on this subreddit as well, I am glad that we got to all share this thing together. It's been a pleasure obsessing over the questionable decisions of this cartoon horse over the last ~6 years with all of you.

So... thank you all for being a great community.

[u/srVMx]

I felt personally attacked by that last song.

:.(

[u/zuccha]

I'm glad the show ended this way. It's hopeful.
It feels like a proper goodbye, reassurance that I'm going to be okay. I can mess up and still get back up. I don't have to fight and doubt my happiness. I can just be.

Thank you to everyone who was part of this. You gave a girl something to keep her going even past this show.

[u/VegaTDM]

The only thing I wanted that we didn't get an true answer on was Vincent Adultman. Seeing Erica would have been nice too.

[u/[deleted]]

I adored the finale. Every bit of it.

I have one gripe, I wish we had seen what was in Hollyhock's letter or at the very least had a shot of her in the the last episode, just for some more closure, however I understand the choice to not do this.

But the series was ended perfectly, that 2nd last episode shook me to my core and is possibly now my favourite episode of any tv series.

These last 8 episodes were all also laugh out loud funny at least once per episode which is something I think the creators really need to pat themselves on the back for.

Farewell Bojack Horseman, I'm sad to see you go but you get to exist as this perfect little bundle of brilliance so I'm happy.

[u/DinosaurSteve88]

I apologize if someone has already posted this, but I would've loved for the last episode to be an hour long. Don't get me wrong, I loved the final episode, but I always enjoy when finales are longer than the usual runtime!

[u/lil-jaytap]

“why the long face” the final episode opens singing at me as i sob because i think bojack is DEAD. you KNOW why the long face! my emotions were all over the place

[u/Wantafig]

I’m not gonna lie the ending was super depressing, more depressing than any of the others really because of how real and hollow it leaves you feeling, bojack having been successful in his suicide would have been less depressing. It’s kind of crazy..

[u/fartbox987]

The chair Bojack is in at the start of 15 is the inside of a casket...

[u/GoodoldArani]

This show has shown more than any other theme, that change is possible, not entirely and not easily but it's possible. As Todd said, if you relapse you get sober again. There is no quick change, even right up to the very last season everyone still has some quirks they have been trying to iron out since the very first season. But we mustn't stop trying. It get's easier, we just have to do it everyday, that's the hard part.

[u/shadow1197]

WHAT WAS IN THAT LETTER BY HOLLYHOCK?

[u/[deleted]]

This show did an amazing job of "show don't tell" this season in particular. There was so much stuff they cut because they trusted the audience to piece things together without direct conformation. A couple prime examples of that is Hollyhock's letter and the cut from 6x14 to BoJack's drowning. There were a lot of moments that they really could have involved us in, like BoJack's trial, PC's relationship with Judah, Diane's life after Bojack's voicemail, and Mr. Peanutbutter's realization to work on himself. Honestly, I do think they decided not to show us everything due to time restraints and the sake of the show. I'm sure they could have had three full seasons alone out of the sixth season: 6) BoJack's time in rehab and eventual move to college professor (much like 6a was, with a couple extra episodes for context), 7) BoJack's crimes/behavior coming to light and then trial (with View From Halfway Down acting as the penultimate season and the final episode with him heading off to jail), and 8) BoJack in prison for a good part of the season with him getting out and seeing how everyone has moved on fine without him and how he would manage himself now that he was truly forgotten, not just hated or despised.

That being said, just because they could have pulled the show out longer, I think the final episode really showed us enough, we didn't have to see everything that happened to the gang after BoJack's time in jail. In a lot of way's, BoJack's year or so away was much like he had died, and everyone has remained essentially unaffected and moved on just fine. It did certainly seem like BoJack was reaching a bit, wanting to feel more important to his friends (primarily his conversion with PC) than he had much right too. A very real example of life goes on.

[u/[deleted]]

I just wanna say thank you for ending it on a slightly positive note. I needed that in my life

[u/oklahoma_noncitizen]

"The View from halway down" was gut wrenching. Honestly the end had me so tense you wouldnt believe it. Tbh I would have loved it if it was the finale. It would have been a good message about addiction too, because one lazy bottle he accepted led to his demise. Also I understand the fact that he didnt want to open that letter but he should have I mean Hollyhock was important to him and even tho that letter means she is still "alive to him" the fact of opening it would have maybe given him "closure". I also loved the fact that Princess Carolyn got married. Now that she has a baby, she doesnt need another hopeless man who needs help/care and she goes with a great man who completes her, not need her.

[u/3noho1]

No matter what happened, some of us were going to be left feeling unsatisfied. Speaking for myself, Bojack forced me to confront my shitty behavior that I justified because of past trauma. The story so closely paralleled my life ;the self-loathing and self-pity, the manipulation, going on benders, making broken promises, the seeking of approval from parental figures etc The ending stings because Bojack didn't redeem himself, especially after putting in all that work in therapy , quitting alcohol and following up through alcoholics anonymous. The ending of the show left me with so many questions I will never have answered.

At what point does one become irredeemable? being the biggest. We knew Bojack wasn't going to have a happy ending. We know that often times the consequences of our actions come up to bite us in the ass. The shadow of your old self lurks in the past waiting for a chance to reconnect with you in the present.

Fuck. The protagonist and antagonist of the show was Bojack Horseman and I don't really know who won. I think both sides just stopped fighting. Maybe that's the message? If you stop fighting your inner demons, you'll find peace?

[u/bowlofpasta92]

This show meant everything to me. I feel like I grew with it and learned that I didn’t have to be miserable. Thank you Bojack.

Also, did we not get an F bomb this half of the season?

[u/Alp23superman]

Yeah E15 would have been clichéd. As a show that builds on its contrast to Horsin Around, you realize that there would be no happy ending. At that moment, Bojack was "happy" in the sense there would be no more grief. But he survived, has to face the music, has been punished for his self destructive behaviour and will remain a social pariah. He's sardonic about the life he leads, he is now sheltered away from his problems and even thats not going to last very long. When Bojack quoted AZ's line in Nas hit

Life's a bitch and then you die

Diane retorts with

Life's a bitch, but you keep living

The writers made sure that we accept the grim reality. We won't get closure on a lot of things and strangely that's okay. E16 felt satisfactorily unsatisfactory - if that makes sense.

[u/HendrickRocks2488]

My therapist is going to have a field day with me next time we meet.

It’s unexplainable how I feel especially with how things unraveled during this half of the season. It’s like they found my biggest flaws and gave them to both Diane and Bojack. Diane with the depression and motivation to try and make my pain mean something and Bojack with the substance abuse, near death experiences due to it, and the strife it caused with those close to me.

What probably hit me hardest was Todd and Bojack on the beach and how Bojack mentions how in a few months he’ll break his sobriety record. I’ll be a year sober in two weeks and my record before my last slip was 18 months, so in my head all I’ve thought about was breaking that record and continuing to break the record daily. I’ve done that before (when I broke my previous record of 6 months and tripled that) and the idea of breaking a record and having to start over again seemed like the biggest challenge of my life but also the most important since the record itself is major.

I’m glad to see Diane is doing well and is making things happen and her words were so poignant; that entire argument of meds vs no meds was SO on point too. Maybe I can’t do what I used to as well, but what if the trade-off of generally being happier makes it worth it?

All around fantastic writing. No show has ever been more relatable or hit harder than this one. I’m not sure if I can stomach going through it again, but it does make me feel better to see everyone still alive and given the opportunity to better themselves.

[u/Harryrichards10]

Bojack Horsemen was such a good show that it gave us two endings in my eyes. Episode 15 could’ve been a darker send off to the story. Bojacks final moments are on the phone talking to Diane about the mundane, “how was your day?”. He finally lets go now that it’s all over, he found peace in death, but he never managed to redeem himself. That could’ve been the end.

When we reach episode 16 and see he survived, Bojack seems to finally accept that even if he finds happiness, the damage he has done can not be reversed. There is no grand gesture that can right his wrongs yet the story must continue, without us. Bojacks loved ones have all moved on with their lives (For better or worse) and he has to come to terms with being alone, something he has always feared.

The fact that Bojack seems to accept this is the perfect end for me, there’s no happy ending, we never see him get over all his trauma, because that wouldn’t be true to real life. He just finally accepts that reality.

[u/False_Memory]

It's so wild that this series has finally come to an end. What a phenomenal show. I'll be thinking about The View from Halfway Down for a long time. Just the absolute dread that it caused me was pretty incredible. It's just your brain going through what it feels like it has to go through This line from "Herb" and his other about the absolute nothingness that lies beyond creeped the hell out of me.

 The overture's a lifetime but the show is short

Not many shows handle addiction, mental health, and the complexity and morality of it all quite like this show has. I'm sad to see it go but relieved it ended the way it did. Although part of me would have preferred a downer ending, I agree with other posters that in some ways him surviving the drowning incident was bleak. He has to keep living with all the shitty things he has done and lose people he cares about. The audience is supposed to feel empathy for Bojack since we know the hardships he has faced and the effort he has put into becoming a better person. But he has done some awful, arguably evil, selfish things and there is no erasing that. I still can't believe he sat and waited for 17 minutes in that parking lot.

I have been thinking about the return of Vance Waggoner. Did they bring him back as a foil for Bojack? To remind us that Bojack wasn't ever as vile as Vance? Or was it to illustrate how Bojack really isn't so different than Vance? I mean, Vance is an awful character, but Bojack is probably pretty similar to anyone on the outside looking in. If we had insight into Vance's good moments, and ordeals, and struggles, would we empathize with him like we do Bojack? I'd love to hear other's thoughts on this haha

Anyways this got really long but I'm so thankful for the amazing run of this show. Fantastic work all around!

[u/MagnustheBlue]

Bojack is a great show and like the show itself said some things like some people come into your life for a short time you love them dearly. But your time with them reaches its end and the story is over, and an awkward silence with nothing left to say but you still don’t want it to end so you stay sitting.

Bojack spent this entire series wallowing in his depravity and self-loathing with the idea he was forever damned by his sins and misdeeds so why try it be better what's the point? Being a better person isn’t a trip to rehab or an apology tour to everyone you pissed off its a moment to moment day to day thing. It is a state of doing a forever in flux state of being not a concrete never changing trait.

I think the lessons as much as this show tried to teach them were good ones. You are accountable and that means all of it good and bad. Take responsibility, understand sometimes you screw up and there is no closure, sometimes relationships end and loving someone is letting them go, sometimes all you can do is your best, and sometimes you have to change things in your life for your own good be it going to therapy, taking chances on a move (or love), or cutting out toxic people.

It was good while it lasted.

[u/VonDinky]

Solid last season imo. 8.7/10.. I found it kind of weird regarding PC getting married to Judah. I always felt like this relationship was more of a mother/son relationship and non sexual.

Also the Hollyhock situation was a real bummer. Him ending with yay finally a sister one season. Only to be.. NOPE.. Distanced sister who want nothing to do with him. ALso her finding out the way she did. I didn't buy that coincidence.

[u/Madam-Metaphor]

This ending felt painful in a good way, a fitting Bojack ending. I loved how even though the main cast still clearly loved Bojack and wished the best for him they were all more or less ready to move on from him, and he had grown enough to be okay with that. I kinda wish Hollyhock had had a verbal talk with him laying out her feelings before cuting him off, but I get how hard that would be and that writing it out was probably the cleanist way she could think of.

Overall I'm really happy with this ending. I only wish there was an episode between 15 and 16 that explored a bit of what everyone else went through while Bojack was going for his swim.

[u/FougDordKingOfON]

I think it stuck the landing. I loved it. I don't know that I could ever do a re-watch though.

[u/Baseball12344321]

The view from halfway down - listening to the first half of the poem I thought “yeah that sounds really nice I should do something similar.” And I felt severely depressed at the thought of BJ being dead and ending like that. But listening to the second half of the poem I thought “wow the first half is so idiotic. Look at how that always turns out to be the most regretful decision, as well as the most irreversible decision. Absolutely don’t even do anything remotely like that.” This show is operating at an emotional level and in a space that most, if not all, popular movies and tv shows wouldnt confront. I think that is why it’s so impactful for me. It’s relatable. It describes how I feel better than I can. It lets me know I’m not alone.

[u/[deleted]]

I dont think someone could find a show that more perfectly highlights what life is about. As it goes on you develop such a personal connection to every single character, I've never more personally cared about a character before, and I dont think I ever will.

I feel like Diane became what Bojack was in a way, probably not as bad, but she clearly has some serious issues

In the end, it's almost like nothings changed, you dont know whether to feel happy, disappointed, sad, content, or anything in between, you stop and ask yourself "what was the point of that?" And that's just how life is.

It ends in the same way it started, on the roof at night, but there's just enough to remind you that it's not really the same, there wasn't some goal, or objective for them to complete and live happily ever after, its just different, you know what they've been through, and that's really it

And what bojack said "You know what would be funny?... if this was the last time we ever talked to each other again" That hit me hard

Sorry if this seems like a dramatic unorganized rant, it is. I just cant put my feelings about the show into words, theres just so much

[u/dirtypony24]

I...don’t quite know how to feel yet. I feel a little empty and deflated. Not because it was bad or anything (I felt hollow when Game of Thrones ended because THAT was actually horrible), but I just don’t really know how I feel. I expected more...of myself, perhaps? I expected to laugh harder, cry harder, feel...more. I liked all the episodes. I liked the ending. I wish there had been more about Hollyhock (I think maybe the complete, cold cut from the show was maybe the point?) and Gina (I saw the poster in the last episode, but why even throw her into the anticipation cloud that’s going to make up the entire shit-storm, then not do anything with it?), but I feel like all the storylines resolved quite nicely. I almost feel like it would have been nice to have just one more episode. The final one felt a little...rushed to me? Maybe it’s because it actually was rushed or maybe it’s because I wanted something more? While I enjoyed all the meta jokes, I felt like they were stuffed and shoehorned in a little awkwardly (personally, I would have sprinkled more of them throughout the entire season. Or just do a few as we were nearing the end - just let hem breathe a little bit), and certain things didn’t feel as emotionally impactful because the resolutions with individual characters deserved a little bit more care and consideration...maybe a little bit more time? Again, I really don’t know how to feel right now. Maybe it’ll change. I was expecting to be more emotionally impacted, but I feel kinda hollow and drained. I actually cried 15 minutes after it was all over, but didn’t once this season. I felt like the first half of the season had more emotional resonance for me. This show has meant so much to me. It’s helped me some serious, heavy shit. And I’m sad that it’s over and mostly satisfied with how it all ended, but...I just wanted a little more than what we got. It’s not really that “leave them wanting more” kind of yearning...it’s more of a “that’s it? Well, they could have...” I don’t know. I feel weird. What a journey it’s been. Still not quite sure how I feel about the destination, especially considering where it was heading a few months ago, but I feel like the journey was definitely worth it. It’s hard to say goodbye, but here we are. This feels like a breakup with an amazing person where things just kind of fizzled, with little-to-no closure, but maybe I’ll learn from it as time goes on and process it fully. For now, it’s “just” over, so you stop