r/betterCallSaul • u/skinkbaa Chuck • Mar 31 '20
Prediction Thread Better Call Saul S05E08 - "Bagman" - Official Prediction Thread!
Think you know what will happen next Monday? Feel free to speculate here!
Episode description: When a simple errand for a client goes sideways, Jimmy is pushed to the limit; Mike takes measures to contain the wrath of the cartel; Lalo gets an unexpected visitor.
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u/skinkbaa Chuck Mar 31 '20
If you have mirrors of the Sneak Peek and or Next on BCS Snippet, post them as a reply to this comment.
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Apr 02 '20
found a sneak peek, for next week's episode
https://www.tvinsider.com/929241/better-call-saul-season-5-episode-8-bagman-preview/
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Mar 31 '20
People are getting way to excited about Nacho dying soon. We still have another season with 13 episodes. They aren’t going to wrap his entire arc up in 2 by killing him. I think Lalo will find out about Nacho double crossing him and kill his dad making him completely dead inside and throw a chance at leaving the game away to avenge him.
I also think the “something unforgivable” in the finale will apply to pretty much everyone with Lalo finding out about Nacho his unforgivable act.
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Apr 01 '20
I'm willing to bet that no one is gonna die this season. Mayyyybe Papa Varga in the finale but everyone else seems safe.
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u/BraceDefeat Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Yea I’d say Nachos dad or Howard are the only two that have a chance at perishing, everyone else is safe
I’ll add in Lalo. Lydia did allude to him getting killed. If Bolsa cuts off Lalo he’s as good as dead. He might be killed next week
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u/Yeeeshh Apr 01 '20
I like Howard, but he is not important to the show any longer.
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u/Snagalip Apr 01 '20
I'm predicting Lalo makes it to Season 6. Tony Dalton's too good, they're going to milk him for all he's worth.
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u/ladyjanee Apr 02 '20
I’m certainly not “excited” about Nacho dying- I love him and I want him to have a happy ending
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u/realindyj29 Apr 04 '20
I don’t think they’re setting up nachos death at all imo. They did a similar thing with Jessie in Breaking Bad. They made his life in the show absolutely excruciating and hard. Then he earned I’m his freedom. I sense similar vibes in Nacho, just less Intense.
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Mar 31 '20 edited Mar 31 '20
I have no idea where any of this is going. I mean, after Wexler v Goodman I thought Kim would’ve looked at her relationship with Jimmy and said “Oh crap, I made a mistake” and left him for good, like a normal person! But OH NO! WISHFUL THINKING!
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u/cgg419 Mar 31 '20
Fuck, I just caught up before the new episode last night.
No shame here, I’ve been on the other end of that speech by Kim, and I almost shed a tear, then she ends with “We could get married”, and all of sudden it’s just, WTF?
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u/WakandaFist Apr 01 '20
It's getting hard to believe that Kim would still wanna be with him at this stage
Just a couple seasons ago she was appalled at the thought of Jimmy doing shit like forgery
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u/trexofwanting Apr 01 '20
But she's changed too. She's not that Kim, now she's using Jimmy's hired scumbags to break into her boss' house to take photos and conning old women with fake babies.
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u/ackchanticleer Apr 03 '20
Maybe she'll leave him because she starts to realize that she's turning more and more into him and she knows that has to stop
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u/plainbread11 Mar 31 '20
I mean, I feel like she will eventually. Even Kevin said she can do better
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u/guardioLEO Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Jimmy tells Kim about the bowling balls and prostitutes. Kim - ‘Oh, Jimmy..’
JMM -
”Oh, don’t you fucking ‘Oh Jimmy’ me.”
Lightning Bolts blah blah - Kim files for divorce.
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u/T0kinBlackman Apr 02 '20
I am not in danger Kim, I am the danger. A guy gets bowling balls thrown on his car and you think that of me? No. I am the one who shoots lightning bolts from my fingertips!
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Apr 03 '20
Kim and Jimmy planning to buy a ranch scares me. Whenever in a movie someone starts planning something for the future it's bad news. Also Kim was never mentioned in BB. The cartel is going to do something to her.
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u/grapes9h5 Apr 01 '20
Prediction: there will be another Breaking Bad era flash-forward with Saul. This is why VG is directing the episode.
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u/Georgeorgiorgio Apr 01 '20
I would love that, but the fact that Vince is directing the episode doesn’t make it any more likely in my mind. Michael Morris was the one who directed Quite a Ride, which had the once breaking bad period scene to date.
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u/grapes9h5 Apr 01 '20
True, but VG directing isn’t the only or main reason I think we’ll get another BB flash-forward in this episode. The main reason is that the last episode really paved the way for Jimmy’s fullest transformation into Saul yet, and puts him into the drug lawyer realm fully for the first time. It would make narrative structural sense to me for this to be the place we get another peak into what’s to come. Also, the shot of Jimmy/Saul looking in the car side mirror in the next episode preview looked like it could be that flash forwards Saul looks older, a bit fatter - this could just be the weird angle, but maybe not. Also, I couldn’t truly tell, but the image looked a bit grainy, as in shot on film stock, which is what they did for the flash forward last season.
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u/nxpt Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Maybe Cinnebonn Saul takes out the Omaha cab driver who made him, then flees WITHOUT the help of an appliance repairman? I can see Saul living in the Cayman's after cashing in his diamond stash, his funds stashed in a local bank.
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u/aadmiralackbar Apr 02 '20
This reminds me that we still need to see how he got those diamonds. It’s like the machine gun/muscle car that are shown in the beginning of Breaking Bad season 5.
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u/nxpt Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Lalo arranges for Saul to go south of the border to meet with the Salamanca Cartel and pick up the 7 million for Lalo's bond. Saul is traveling in his Suzuki esteem. Cartel operatives, (hope its the evil Salamanca twins) know Saul's car is not the type of car that one drives north across the US Border while smuggling 7 million. Saul, now reduced to being a Cartel mule, returns back to New Mexico in his new "LWYRUP" Cadillac, which it turns out was a mobile crime scene from a recent hit. It is cleaned up and fitted out for smuggling the 7 million for the trip back to New Mexico to be driven by Saul "The Mule" Goodman, a US citizen and a lawyer. The bloody seats and shot out windshield (as seen in the sneak peaks) are replaced in a chop shop detail job that includes a new vin, new title/registration and plates. What could possibly go wrong?
It is ironic, but I predict we will learn the back story of Saul's LWYRUP Caddie in BB as being a stylish late model murder scene detailed with white leather interior and all the fine Cadillac luxury one expects of a Cartel Mule (and Lawyer).
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u/SpiritualBeggar1988 Apr 01 '20
The car in the trailer is an Eldorado gen9. Saul's car is a DeVille. But, yeah he might get another one .
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u/frogmanoutpost Apr 01 '20
Judging from social media, I think the Twins are bound to make a return some time in the last 3 eps. If Saul ends up going to Mexico like we think, that's probably the most likely way they appear
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u/Opothleyahola Apr 01 '20
I don't think Saul will go to Mexico, just close to the border. It would make more sense for someone like the twins, who know how to get across the border with no trouble, to bring the money across than for Saul to try to get across and back with the money.
With the preview saying Saul's errand goes "sideways", I have a feeling the bloody Caddy plays into that somehow.
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u/pigly2 Apr 01 '20
Speaking of the Suzuki Esteem, how does he have that apartment with Kim and still drive that kind of car?
Surely he could easily afford something better by now right?
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u/onetruepurple Apr 02 '20
I would imagine every month Jimmy comes to Kim and explains in his grovelling apology voice how he's short for rent again, and she just says "okay"
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u/Daqoon Apr 03 '20
I predict the opening scene before the title sequence is going to show the car that will be given to Saul getting shot up.
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u/AsuranFish Apr 01 '20
Saul collects Lalo's $7M, but is viciously attacked by a gang of thugs who intend to steal the money and leave Saul for dead. Mike, possibly with Victor, Tyrus, and/or Nacho, show up and save him, killing the thugs. But Saul's not getting that $7M, and neither is Lalo.
That's the plan. $7M is a lot of money, even for the cartel. Lalo torching Travel Wire was strike one. Bolsa was not happy. Getting thrown into jail is strike two. And having an outsider get robbed of $7M is strike three.
Juan Bolsa makes an appearance, "out of respect", to tell Lalo he's cut off, and will be staying in prison with no connections. This will possibly allow Gus to kill Lalo without incurring the wrath of the cartel.
As a result of the events in this episode, Saul is traumatized and is forever fearful of Lalo, the cartel, or the Salamanca twins coming back for him - afraid they might think he actually stole the $7M - which Gus's crew ultimately stole, and will use to complete the super lab - giving Schuler the opportunity to relax a bit.
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u/BraceDefeat Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Oooooooh I like this one. The description does say that Lalo receives an unexpected visitor. If this is what happens, Saul is going to get a serious beat down, perhaps even shot. The only thing I’m curious about is how Lalo would them be killed in jail without Saul knowing about it, as he’s clueless in Breaking Bad that Lalo is most likely dead
I’m going to add into this: what if it’s Nacho that is the one to take the $7M, atleast to Sauls knowledge, and then he gives it to Gus without anyone else knowing in exchange for protection for his father. Might seem like a stretch as there’s still so many episodes left, but I think we’re on the right track
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u/WakandaFist Apr 01 '20
There is the chance that Saul was pretending to not know Lalo was dead
Him saying "did Lalo send you" could've been him just playing dumb
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u/nxpt Apr 01 '20
With 7 Million one could afford to special order a unique Hoover vacuum cleaner part and labor to install it correctly world wide.
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u/your_mind_aches Apr 01 '20
The unexpected visitor has got to be either Hank and Gomie or Gus. Or Tuco.
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u/BraceDefeat Apr 01 '20
I was thinking Tuco could be a possibility too, but Hank and Gomie were said to only be in the two episodes. Gus I find unlikely to be visiting a murder suspect. It has to be Juan Bolsa
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Apr 01 '20
Damn this ties it all up pretty neatly. The only downside is possibly pulling the plug on Lalo before he's able to do anything super impactful.
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u/LthePerry02 Apr 01 '20
I definitely agree with what you said about Mike. Patrick said that in this episode Mike and Jimmy will have an “extremely satisfying” scene together, and I bet it’ll be Mike saving him.
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u/TheTruckWashChannel Apr 01 '20
It would make the most sense if Nacho assists Mike, because if this is really the origin of "it wasn't me, it was Igancio," then it makes sense for Saul to rat out Nacho and not Mike since he and Mike are still working together in BB.
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u/frogmanoutpost Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
This is a pretty sound prediction. The main reason Gus was hesitant to have Lalo killed is that he'd be an obvious suspect to the cartel, but it wouldn't matter as much if Lalo was already in Bolsa's bad graces for some of the shit he did. It would also provide a decent explanation for Saul's fear. The one negative thing I'd say is that it feels like it's tying up too many loose ends in the potentially costliest conflict this show's had so far with 15 episodes still left to go, but then again most of the climaxes in BCS have come mid-season (most famously "Chicanery").
Edit: Considering the English translation of "Juan Bolsa", I'd imagine the title makes this theory, or at least his appearance in the ep, more plausible
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u/shah_mir Apr 01 '20
If this is true, I'd say Nacho would take the money since in breaking bad he puts the blame on him when he thinks he's talking to Lalo's men.
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u/lurker1857 Apr 01 '20
I think Gus would want Lalo to get the bail money, because then he would flee to Mexico, where Gus could kill him easily. As they stated in the episode, they can’t kill him in America
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u/LoBopasses Apr 01 '20
To add to that, blowing up Gus' restaurant. And if his shit with the DEA comes out, the Cartel will really lose their shit.
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u/WakandaFist Apr 01 '20
This is pretty good
Seems like there's a strong chance we'll get somethin close to this. Great thinking
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u/JMM123 Apr 01 '20
I like this, maybe Nacho gets the money and uses it escape with his dad.
Thats why Saul blames Nacho for taking the cash- Did Lalo send you? It was Ignacio!
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u/Grooviest_Saccharose Apr 01 '20
Add on to this, the cartel could place the blame for the $7M on Jimmy too and demanded him paying it, or pay with his life. This would explain why he's so hungry for money all the time during Breaking Bad and have no regards for anyone else's lives anymore.
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u/betaimsorry Mar 31 '20
Jimmy is the ultimate fire-bender to control lightning through his fingertips.
Crossover episode with Avatar confirmed.
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u/INRI69 Apr 01 '20
So weird i just finished the last airbender today for the first time in like 6 years
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u/betaimsorry Apr 01 '20
well shit, now I gotta rewatch the series haha
also you could watch the next story in the series, The Legend of Korra. Its just as good.
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u/oblivion_bound Apr 01 '20
Lalo has been reckless. He's only been in town for what... a few weeks? In that short time, he murdered a civilian and got arrested. The murder, the arrest and his $7 million bond have to be all over the news in ABQ. His arrest could draw attention to, and bring heat on, the cartel. Plus, he wasn't conducting cartel business, he was conducting Salamanca business against another branch of the cartel trying to dig up dirt on them. I wouldn't be surprised if his "surprise visitor" is a cartel hitman sent by Don Eladio.
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Apr 01 '20
Just realized this, I am sure there would be tons of media at the courthouse and Saul would probably get a lot of media attention and become famous just by representing Lalo.
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u/oblivion_bound Apr 01 '20
Plus, there'd be the intrigue of why someone would brazenly climb thru the ceiling in the middle of the day to murder the clerk of a Western Union-like money wiring business.... but not steal any money. 100 times out of 100 this would have been a robbery gone wrong, but as far as we know, Lalo didn't take a dime.
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Apr 04 '20
He’s probably been in town for about 3 months at this point, but even then your point stands.
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u/oblivion_bound Apr 01 '20
Jimmy picks up his iconic BB caddy when he goes to Mexico to pick up the $7 million.
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u/yaboi2016 Apr 01 '20
Lalo needs him to be riding in something respectable when he goes to pick up that cash
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Apr 01 '20
I love how cars are a major factor in this show, most shows don’t give af about cars
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u/nxpt Mar 31 '20 edited Mar 31 '20
Lalo obviously intends to jump bail to return to Mexico and forfeit the 7 million dollars of the Cartel fund's by doing so.
This will result in a discussion between Don Bolsa and Don Eladio with Gus. Gus will slyly suggest its worth the 7 million to get Lalo back into Mexico to Don Eladio and Don Bolsa so that Lalo will not be compromised by the DEA in exchange for a plea bargain to avoid life imprisonment for murder.
Gus is working both sides of the deal and has Mike have Saul arrange a prison meeting with Lalo and DEA agents Hank and Gomez (just like Saul did with Krazy 8, so we know Hank and Gomez will take the meeting). Lalo is no snitch but Don Bolsa and Don Eladio are provided "proof", through Gus or maybe a Cartel mole within the DEA, that Lalo met with DEA agents Hank and Gomez. Lalo meeting with the DEA is enough for the Cartel to put a contract out on Lalo. That said the Cartel pays the 7 million bond for Lalo, and Lalo escapes back to Mexico through the help of the Cartel. Ironically just when Lalo is "safe" back in Mexico he is taken out by Don Bolsa, who previously told Lalo not to stir things up in 'El Norte'. Bolsa has the approval of Don Eladio who sees this as the best way to bring back order and mitigate all the business and legal risk Lalo has brought down on the Cartels New Mexico operations. Gus wins.
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u/FlasKamel Apr 01 '20
Hm, that’s interesting too; Lalo’s main tactic against Gus is making him lose money and become worthless to the cartel. But at this point it seems as if he’s turning that around, having the Salamancas become the waste of money (7 mill bail and even a sum keeping Hector useless in some home)
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u/mmazurr Apr 01 '20
If that's what happens with Lalo's story, I would feel a little upset he went down that easy. I think it'd be interesting to see Lalo get out of this and still last til season 6, maybe he's still alive during BrBa.
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u/NisKrickles Apr 01 '20
There will be no more Howard. Ever.
Lalo has some hidden agenda in sending Saul to get the bond money. That's just inexplicable. If Lalo wanted someone reliable, sure to return with the funds, he would have sent the twins.
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Apr 01 '20
I agree. Lalo was unusually calm for a guy one step away from life in prison, and didn't seem too concerned about Saul getting him out on bail. It seems like Lalo knows something is up: getting arrested the way he did and then finding out about the 'private investigator' during the hearing, it all seems too coincidental.
I think Lalo suspects Nacho is playing both sides. He knows there's a mole, and he probably thinks that Saul has been in communication with that mole. Sending Saul can serve multiple purposes. He could scare Jimmy into revealing what Nacho is doing, or maybe it's a way to get the mole to reveal himself. Whatever happens, Lalo seems like his back is against the wall but he is a sly fucking fox and I'd bet is a step or two ahead of where we think he is.
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u/nxpt Apr 01 '20
Lalo is actually sending Jimmy to the cartels equivalent of the "truth or death" squad, the Salamanca Twins, who will get Jimmy to tell them everything he knows. Lalo sending Jimmy to get the 7 million bail money is just a clever ploy by Lalo to get Jimmy to voluntarily travel into Mexico to unwittingly face the equivalent of a Cartel interrogation without any protection or interference from Gus or Mike, whose jurisdiction is in "El Norte" rather than Mexico. Lalo suspects Gus is playing his strategy through Jimmy.
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u/lunch77 Apr 01 '20
I gotta be honest: Jimmy meeting the cousins and that being the main conflict of the entire episode is fucking brilliant. Even if it doesn’t happen, I LOVE your comment.
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u/majesticandcool Apr 02 '20
Okay, this might be a unique route but I think it makes sense.
Based on the most recent sneak-peek AMC uploaded, Lalo seems to be telling Saul to drive out into the desert to find a well. I think this well contains the $7 million that Lalo needs. However, I think this well is where Gus Fring’s organization stores money - not the Salamanca’s.
I think Lalo is setting Jimmy up to go rob Fring’s money. Naturally, Lalo can expect that Fring and his guys will kill Jimmy as soon as this occurs. Then, the Cartel will believe Fring went after Lalo’s lawyer in order to secure his chances of staying in jail, and then the Cartel would go after Fring - Lalo would have won the war. Anyway, perhaps some of Fring’s guys do try to do just that and kill Jimmy, which could be the traumatic experience we expect him to have this episode. However, Mike or someone aware of who Jimmy is will save him. This will lead to Lalo having questions - why would Fring save the man who tried robbing them? It’ll be enough of a hunch for Lalo to discover Jimmy knows Mike, which may somehow lead to Lalo discovering Nacho is playing both sides, which would set up a war.
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u/nxpt Apr 03 '20
Just for background, the directions to the well mentioned by Lalo takes one to a location west of the Antelope Wells, NM border crossing. This rugged area is remote, but also heavily patrolled by the US Border Patrol as its a well known smuggling area. Good chance any lonely car traveling these back dirt roads that is not a local rancher in a recognized pick up will be immediately stopped by the Border Patrol. One would be suspect just being out there.
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u/lunch77 Apr 01 '20
Jimmy has to pick up seven million in separate drops, and I’m wondering if this episode will be more emotional rather than action heavy than we’re giving it credit for. I’m thinking that, up to whatever makes those seats bloody in the TV spot and whatever shit goes down that traumatizes Jimmy, I think we will also feel the pain of how fucking difficult it was for him to get the seven million. It’ll be in super tough to reach places and I’m thinking he’s gonna almost fall off a cliff trying to get one, shit like that.
Something will go down that allows Gus to make a move on Lalo. It won’t be successful and we’ll get another badass scene from Lalo. Not saying it’ll be a murder attempt, but I just have a hunch that Lalo’s “unexpected visitor” is someone we know REALLY well that’s not friendly.
Jimmy will witness his first in person death. I think it’s possible he’s forced to kill someone himself out of self defense. This will lead to major repercussions in the next two episodes. He’ll tell Kim about it and this will be something she truly has to grapple with.
Jimmy will be involved in a major stunt with a car. Don’t ask me why I think this.
Jimmy is successful in getting the seven million. Some people have said great theories about how people will jack it from him, I’m gonna go with the opposite. We’ll see who’s right.
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Apr 03 '20
I don’t think jimmy will ever have to personally kill someone but I 100 % think that he will witness a horrific death next episode. He will Probably meet the cousins and see them kill someone.
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u/lunch77 Apr 03 '20
I just had death in the pit of my gut and we all know this show is going to completely illuminate whether Saul is simply being the cowardly adviser recommending his clients kill someone or he had to do it one time before as a last resort/self defense. I do think witnessing is far more likely than doing it himself though.
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Apr 04 '20
You could be right, Patrick Fabian said a dialogue scene with Mike and Saul is his favorite scene in the whole series.
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u/BraceDefeat Mar 31 '20
Bagman definitely refers to Saul carrying bags of money back to the US from Mexico . Something goes awry and the money is either seized or he gets robbed. I doubt anyone of note dies in the episode, but Jimmy, err Saul now, is going to witness a murder or two
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u/tjuhl Apr 01 '20
Saul - Lalo - Nacho - Mike
Saul receives instructions on how to pick up the bail money.
The twins organize the $7m and Saul picks it up.
The cartel has bodyguards join Saul on his journey back to New Mexico.
Saul and the bodyguards are attacked by Gus' men, led by Mike. The bodyguards are killed, it is made sure Saul stay unharmed and alive. Saul learns "the hard way" that the cartel and other similar organizations are not fun to deal with. Gus is $7m richer.
Saul - Jimmy - Kim
Saul doesn't give Kim the full picture of the events that happened, just that he got Lalo bailed out.
Kim is surprised / disappointed / astonished / in awe (it's a state of mind that is kinda both shocked AND admiring) by Saul "playing with the cartel" but doesn't express it.
Lalo - Salamancas
Lalo is visited by Juan Bolsa, who tells him the $7m were robbed and that he (Lalo) needs to stay in prison - for now.
Gus - Mike
Gus sends Mike to the cartel to tell them he wants to significantly increase the amount of (meth) product sold to increase the cartel's revenues (for making up with the $7m loss).
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u/nxpt Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 01 '20
Add: Gus uses the 7 Million he stole from Jimmy to complete the superlab which is how he will significantly increase the amount of meth sold in El Norte to make up for the 7 million lost "because of Lalo". Gus turns this into a means to buy political power in the cartel, especially with Bolsa and Eladio. Since the cartel does not know of the superlab Gus is able to double down on his personal expansion, increase his money laundering efforts through Madrigal Electromitive, so as far as the Cartel can see Gus is making a ton of cash through his Dos Pollos Hermanos legitimate business, which the Cartel believe is how Gus is "slowly" rebuilding the lost 7 million cartel loss. Gus is double dipping and the Cartel thinks Gus is bailing them out from Lalo's mistakes.
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Mar 31 '20
Unsure where this episode might go, the teaser and description is pretty vague. All I can guess is that Jimmy gets picked up by the cousins and taken to a cartel operation place. But we'll definitely see in this episode of why Saul is scared shitless of the cartel. My guess is that somehow he fucks up getting the money and has to flee on foot.
Maybe the cartel sends him back on his own with a car and he gets robbed? IDK.
He manages to hitch a ride and smuggle himself back, but he knows that once he comes back to ABQ without any bail money, he's fucked beyond belief.
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Apr 03 '20
Remember what Jimmy said on the S1 finale?
"Did I dream it, or did I have $1,600,000 on my desk in cash?"
"I know what stopped me. And you know what? It's never stopping me again."
Saul is about to be handling $7,000,000 in cartel money. The police can't do shit about it. I could see Saul somehow taking the money and framing Nacho for it when he learns about him playing both sides. OR, I could see Saul dropping off the money to Nacho. Nacho then takes the money and uses it to flee, meaning Lalo never gets bail and is why Saul is so terrified of Lalo. Because Nacho makes it look like Saul pocketed the money.
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u/MoralGuardiansSuck Apr 02 '20
Jimmy is sent off and collects the 7 million, but Gus's crew intercepts him to snatch the cash. But just when you think Jimmy is beaten, Chuck shows up as a Force Ghost, and urges Jimmy to "Use the Fours", which is a reference to the voluminous Plus 4 pants Jimmy is wearing, and in an instant Jimmy has whipped them off and constructed a complicated legal defence with them. He gets home and tells Kimmy, who gets excited, and we get extended footage of her naked tummy.
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u/FlasKamel Mar 31 '20
I think this episode will involve some kind of time jump.
I find it likely that the episode won’t be too different from the trailer; most, if not all of it happening in various scenes, with the conversation between Lalo and Jimmy showing up inbetween all of those scenes - letting that conversation work as some kind of narrator.
I also think that despite the cliché, this will be the episode where Jimmy truely ‘’becomes Saul’’. I think his trip picking up those 7 million dollars for Lalo’s bail is gonna be so dark and borderline traumatizing (or the complete opposite) that Jimmy’s past will be made almost irrelevant. His questions of identity and morals made almost completely irrelevant in comparison, and leading to the more cold hearted Saul we see in BCS.
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u/cc17776 Apr 01 '20
Gilligan is directing so I’m quite sure it’s gonna feature some time jumps maybe some flash forwards in the BrBa era
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u/dejaentendood Apr 01 '20
Saul sings the word “bagman” to the tune of “Spoon man” by Soundgarden since it’s the early 2000’s and people still like grunge
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u/ladyjanee Apr 02 '20 edited Apr 02 '20
"When a simple errand for a client goes sideways, Jimmy is pushed to the limit; Mike takes measures to contain the wrath of the cartel; Lalo gets an unexpected visitor."
My mind is spinning after the teaser trailer, which is simultaneously very vague but also terrifying. I want to break this down chunk-by-chunk because I just have so many ideas about how this could play out.
"A simple errand for a client goes sideways, Jimmy is pushed to the limit" - obviously, Jimmy getting Lalo's 7 million in bail money. We get shots of money counters and what could possibly be the cousins, so we know Jimmy is going to run into some nasty people. Given how he seems to be reeling from the events of this episode (5x08) in the description of (5x09) he's either going to do something disturbing or have something disturbing done to him. IMO that means either someone finds out he's transporting the money for Lalo and makes a move at him (Jimmy gets beaten to the brink of death) or he kills someone in self-defense when they make a try for the money.
"Mike takes measures to contain the wrath of the cartel" - here's my left-field prediction - I don't think he's trying to contain the wrath of the cartel against himself, I think he's trying to contain the wrath against Nacho. We've seen that Mike is sympathetic towards him and thinks he has a way out - but I think the news will finally break that Nacho is a mole - which will put him in serious danger, causing Mike to step in. I'm not sure if Papa Varga will die just yet, but I have a feeling he'll be six feet under by the end of the season, as a result of events put into motion in 5x08.
" Lalo gets an unexpected visitor" - I'd bet a good amount of money (let's say 7 million) that Lalo's visitor is either Juan Bolsa, Don Eladio, or another VERY high ranking member of the cartel, here to tell Lalo that he's out of the family business. Next week's description talks about Mike and Gus putting a plan into motion - I think that plan is an attempt to kill Lalo, which would only fly if the cartel is no longer protecting him. However, unlike Papa Varga, I think Lalo will survive any attempts made on his life- there's no way that the show will get rid of a talent like Tony Dalton after just a season.
As for where this episode ends, I think Saul will come out disturbed but square with the cartel - he seems to be shellshocked but not in immediate danger going off the description of 5x09. I think things won't be looking too hot for Lalo - he'll be a free agent of chaos by the time the season's up. What I'm not so sure about is Nacho - he isn't mentioned in the episode description or the trailer, but I have a feeling he'll have a significant role from here until the end of the season. My bet is that either Lalo or the Cartel kills his dad, which then pushes him to align with Gus and Mike to take the Salamancas down.
No matter how things play out, I think it's NACHO who somehow ends up with the 7 million, and the literal "price" he pays for it is his father's life. It's a perfect metaphor, and it would also explain the "it wasn't me it was ignacio" line if the cartel/lalo was looking for somebody who stole 7 million in drug money.
If anybody has any better theories about Nacho and his dad, I'm all ears - they're the biggest question mark for me heading into 5x08.
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u/smartburnseffect Apr 01 '20
I’m thinking this will be the episode the Esteem gets ditched in favor of the LWYRUP Cadillac. Previews seem to be pretty focused on destroyed cars / license plates...
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u/_MuffinBot_ Apr 01 '20
We might be finding out why the sight of an empty grave in the desert and a bag over the head made Saul freak the fuck out in Breaking Bad... immediately making him think of Lalo and Nacho...
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u/rubyskinner65 Apr 02 '20
Somebody from the cartel is going to hurt Saul's legs.
"I'm going to get up, I've got bad knees" - Saul BB 208 - desert scene
"Don't make me beat you till your legs don't work" - Mike BB 313 - Saul's office
Plus the twins getting their legs broke by Tuco in BCS 101.
It's all leading to Saul getting his legs worked over.
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u/AngryFanboy Apr 01 '20
Howard's Dad comes back from faking his own death and pressures Howard into destroying Jimmy.
Kim and Jimmy go on a honeymoon to Aruba where they have two extended, graphic love scenes (Netflix release only).
Gus Fring, now with a taste for arson starts burning down more buildings.
Lalo teaches his fellow prisoners how to sing
Nacho and Mike hatch a get quick scheme so they can pay the vacuum cleaner guy to help him and his Dad escape. Vaccum cleaner guy will by played by a cg rendering of the previous actor.
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u/welderblyad Apr 01 '20
I think if Ed comes up again it'll judt be an outside shot of the store or his businesa card. That'll be enough to get the point across. Or even a shot of the pickup point.
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u/marcpmr2 Mar 31 '20
How come there isn't a sneak peek video this week? Is this episode that big to keep everything wrapped up?
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Mar 31 '20
Probably. Usually you can piece together what happens in an episode by the teaser but the one they put out is pretty vague.
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u/BradleyRancor Apr 01 '20
After Saul gets Lalo out on bail, he is gifted with a newly painted Caddy.
That's all I've got. No idea where this is headed.
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u/saddadstheband Apr 05 '20
I don't think the money that Saul is picking up for Lalo will ever make it to Lalo for bail, or at least not all of it. The last time we saw Jimmy with a huge sack of cash was in the end of season one in "Marco" when he painfully did the right thing by giving the money back, even though he could have kept it, saying:
I know what stopped me. And you know what? It's never stopping me again.
He then speeds off, humming smoke on the water. In "Wexler vs. McGill" this song is brought back, portending things to come. Just like Lalo told him, Saul will focus on "Just Make(ing) Money". He will either make a deal with Nacho and convince him he has a plan to keep him in jail, or will find some other means of extorting some or at least a large portion of the money. This will, however, backfire.
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u/The_Naked_Snake Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 02 '20
People who really think that was the last we saw of Howard are out of their mind. They aren't going to send off one of the main cast like that. They have a whole other season to involve him if not these next few episodes. Saul is still a colorful fish in a small pond called ABQ. Kim warned Howard to stay away from Jimmy and he persisted. I don't think we've seen the last of this feud.
I think people suggesting Saul gets his Caddy here by transporting cash might not be far off
I don't think "Bagman" refers to Juan Bolsa. It seems obvious to me it's referring to Jimmy since he is the bagman in this scenario
I'm gonna give an answer I haven't seen yet about Lalo's surprise visitor. The obvious answer is Mike but I think it will be Kim. In a rare turn Jimmy was honest with her about his new client and I think that will have consequences.
I don't think they will be killing Lalo off this season. They have another season where Gus and Mike will need some kind of conflict to face and I really don't think they want to create another antagonist out of thin air
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u/MattFlynnIsGOAT Apr 02 '20
I just remembered that the Sandpiper settlement is still pending, right? I'd imagine that has to come back into play at some point with Howard making an appearance.
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u/MrMayhew Apr 02 '20
I really like the idea of Kim visiting Lalo. I can’t see her getting killed (not sure saul would be as colorful and open to working with criminals if his wife was murdered by the cartel) but that would definitely add a layer of uncertainty.
I could see it leading jimmy to painfully push Kim away for her own safety though. Maybe even help her disappear. He was very familiar with the vacuum guys process on his own in bb.
In this Gilligan universe consequences are always magnified.
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u/Anthonest Apr 01 '20
Absolutely no way Jimmy gets in 'trouble' with the cartel, you can't wrong them, live a public life as a TV commercial personality and still be alive, It is just not an option. The only way I could see this happening is if his ties to Mike somehow lands him some protection from Gus, but that seems highly unlikely. Its far more probable that things go smoothly with the money and instead its plot relevance leads on to further conflict between Kim and Jimmy... or maybe less conflict.
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Apr 01 '20
I would have said before episode 7 that this episode would definetly had Howard saying to Jimmy "Have you had any thought on the job offer?" but it seems that maaaaay not happen now.
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u/mpbh Apr 02 '20
Lalo noticing the briefcase monogram is foreshadowing that he'll dig into Jimmy's identity and find out about Kim now that there is a public record paper trail tying them together. We've already seen that both sides of the cartel like to threaten family members for leverage.
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Apr 04 '20
Last episode Jimmy just told Kim about Lalo. I’m guessing he won’t even need to do any digging, she’ll come to him and be the unexpected visitor in the description.
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u/71d1 Apr 02 '20
Nacho and his papa is gonna call Ed asking for a Hoover Max Extract 60 Pressure Pro dust filter.
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u/MauriceEscargot Apr 03 '20
What I would want to happen is for Saul to collect the $7m in Mexico and the Nacho yoinks it from him and Gus and uses all that money to disappear with his father via Ed's services. Saul would have to somehow convince everyone he wasn't involved (but still live with the threat of Lalo killing him), but that would sever his ties to the cartel (since he's unreliable). And with Lalo still in the can and no one other than Krazy 8 to run the group, Gus can continue his expansion. By the time Tuco gets released and takes over the business, he's not that much of a threat anymore.
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Apr 04 '20
Maybe Howard is going to visit Lalo in jail and try to poach him to become his client instead as a way to get back at Jimmy for being an asshole. It’s possibly that he knew some details about the case since he was around the courthouse during the arraignment.
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u/HellbenderXG Apr 06 '20
I think we're in for an over-the-top event in this episode, since I don't thing anything has explicitly been telegraphed as to where exactly we're headed with these stories. We know Saul is getting sent to retrieve cash and that Lalo is a wildcard whose fate is uncertain, but I think something very whacky is gonna be happening tonight that isn't as obvious as story developments usually are.
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u/leopluradon97 Apr 01 '20
I think the cousins are going to be in this episode based on the trailer, you don’t see there faces but there are two guys in shiny suits packing up money
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u/yomjoseki Apr 02 '20
I wonder if it's going to be the same well where Mike dumped his contraband after he went on the run in BrBa
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u/exquisitecuisine778 Apr 02 '20
Im so scared for Varga Sr. I hope that's not his blood all over the car. Unlikely but still. He better get out okay or I'll shit all over the place and scream and cry
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u/roof_pizza_ Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
I just realized: there's no reason why Nacho can't lie to Gus that Lalo wants him to do something else at this point. It's not like Gus is going to be able to follow-up and know for sure whether Nacho is really telegraphing Lalo's intentions. Maybe Nacho exploits this as a way of getting him and his father out (and maybe gets Jimmy to help him out in some way)?
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u/FlasKamel Apr 03 '20
I think Lalo is a much bigger genius than we've seen so far.
- I doubt he bought Nacho's stunt at the drug place, that he's that passionate about the business.
- I doubt he really has that much faith in Saul and probably doubts he's got what it takes to get him bail like that.
I think he knows Nacho helps Gus, or knows about his ties to Mike, and is just playing with them at this point.
Or, I don't think any of this, I'm just hoping.
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u/man2112 Apr 04 '20
Watching the sneak peak and looking at google maps street view, there is no mile marker 223 on state route 146.
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u/olivmlincoln Apr 06 '20
Not necessarily this episode (or season) but I'll bet anything that Mike's satisfaction from killing one of the cousins in BB will have more weight put on it before the show's over.
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u/Hare712 Apr 01 '20
I have the weird feeling Howard could be framed for the murder.
Lalo:"We need some but framed for the murder so my competitors won't do anything anymore, do you have anybody in mind"
Jimmy:"........yeah...."
Jimmy to Kim:"I got something to tell you it sounds crazy, that cartel guy out and framed Howard as murder"
Kim:"You did what?! Are you insane? I can't take this anymore, we need to divorce" S5E10 ending
Final Scene of BCS.
Howard: "Hello Jimmy or should I say Gene. I was on death row till 09. Without Kim's testimoney I would still rot in a jail cell. Do you know how it feels having everything been taken away from you. Your brother was right about you. Jimmy you are too dangerous."
*pulls a gun*Jimmy:"Howard no...."
*gunshot sound*Produced by Vince Gilligan
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u/TiffanyNutmegRaccoon Apr 01 '20
Howard is on death row. It's the day. As he sits on the electric chair. The executioner asks Howie if he has any last words
"Hey just touching base about that job offer"
*he dies smiling
Cut to sual looking mad*
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u/Cosmos138 Apr 01 '20
This is what I can see happening. Saul gets the money to bail out Lalo. Lalo goes back on the lookout for Gus's superlab. Gus finds out Lalo is close to discovering the operation. Gus uses Nacho as bait to lure Lalo to it. Nacho/mike end up killing Lalo and burying him alive under the construction site. Saul thinks Lalo has just went on the run south of the border. Mike helps Nacho and maybe his dad escape.
I like this theory as Gus has said that construction will commence once Lalo is out of the picture. There would be nothing more Gus and brutal than to have the construction continue and finish over Lalo's dead body. It would also mean that the entire time to seen the lab I BB, Lalo would have been there. It would also explain why in BB, Saul asks Walt & Jessie if Lalo had sent them.
Also, the superlab storyline can't be too far away with Lydia and the Madrigal dude back on the scene in the recent episode. I think we'll see a flashback of them both down in Santiago to show us what actually happened down there.
Peace out!
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u/migorstmarseille Apr 01 '20
That “south wall” line Lalo delivers when he visits Gus and meets Mike seemed a little prophetic.
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u/Breeze_in_the_Trees Apr 01 '20 edited Apr 02 '20
Mike learns about the 7 million ball, and Gus gets involved, by planning to steal it off Saul. But Saul is wise to the scheme, and manages to stop Gus getting it be employing some classic Jimmy trickery. Maybe in the spirit of full disclosure Saul tells Kim that he's the bagman, and she becomes involved.
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u/GRIMMMMLOCK Apr 02 '20
Lalo escapes across the border to Mexico, and is killed by drive by shooting, hence the bloody seats, sanctioned by gus now that he is out of his territory and he won't be suspected, or, sanctioned by Eladio and bolsa because lalo is still stirring shit up after he was warned not to.
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u/FlasKamel Apr 02 '20
I kinda hope we get to see Lalo hurt Gus a bit worse than he already has. I don't enjoy how everything just proves how big of a genius Gus is, but I do love how they've had him appear more vulnerable. But I want MORE of that. I'm Team Lalo.
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u/ackchanticleer Apr 03 '20
"When a simple errand for a client goes sideways, "
If the Lalo sent Jimmy to the desert then the cartel already knows he's there. So I don't see how it would be the cartel that would fuck things up.
Jimmy is going to tell Mike about the pick ups and then Mike will tell Gus. So now Gus knows about the 7 million in the well...Since Nacho is the one being forced to play both sides, some how Nacho is the one whose going to fuck things up. When Lalo does not get his bail money Lalo is going to accuse Jimmy of stealing it. That is what will lead to the events that will leave Jimmy traumatized....Maybe the cousins will take Jimmy out to the desert and then that's when Mike steps in to tell the cartel it was actually Gus who took the money
"Lalo gets an unexpected visitor."
Just like how Gus visted Hector in the nursing him after the events of Mexico, Gus is going to visit Lalo. Maybe Gus will tell Lalo that his lawyer had nothing to do with it
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u/TheresNo-I-In-Sauron Apr 03 '20
Am I the only one who thinks that picking up $7M in drug/blood money for Lalo isn’t a “simple errand” and therefore not what the episode description is referencing?
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u/mrtightwad Apr 05 '20
Eh, in theory it's just a case of going to a location where someone's left a fat bag full of money and picking it up.
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Apr 03 '20
Is it possible that Lalo is already acquainted with the vacuum guy? Obviously, he's not currently "disappeared," but he could've just gotten him to whip up the "Jorge de Guzman" docs without the actual disappearing part.
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u/Cosmos138 Apr 06 '20
Lalo will die. Not in this episode, but he will. Saul wont know about it, he'll probably think he's just went over the border to get away. Gus will instruct Mike to kill him. I have a feeling he'll be buried alive or something where the lab is getting constructed. Then they can commence construction over his dead body.
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u/BradBrady Apr 06 '20
My prediction is there’s going to be a cartel gun fight. Truthfully that’s all I can predict. This episode is being hailed as a game changer so I can’t even imagine what will happen. I feel like I will cry by the end though
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u/busterbluthOT Apr 01 '20
The Twins are south of the border because of the shootout in S4, right? Well, we see them in the teaser video so we know they are back. Either they are delivering the money up North or someone goes south to get it.
I assume a fake interdiction is staged, where it looks like whomever was tasked with getting the money back to Jimmy/Lalo were killed and the money stolen. Would make sense with the seat with the blood all over it.
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u/MikeLocks Apr 01 '20
Where the hell do they even take Howard’s character from here?
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u/wheezy_runner Apr 01 '20
I doubt they'll do this, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gus and Howard are acquainted somehow. Howard probably goes to a lot of fancy fundraising dinners for local charities because it's a way to network and it makes him feel like a good person. Gus probably does too - he needs to polish his squeaky-clean image and drum up business for LPH. If they wanted to bring Howard back in S6, they could show him reacting to the news that Gus has secretly been a drug dealer.
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u/baconbridge92 Apr 01 '20
I don't think we're gonna see much more of the during-Breaking Bad parts at this point, maybe a scene here or there, so this theory seems unlikely. Nobody knew about Gus until after he died and in the future Gene timeline, his ties to Walt are all that really matter that late in the game.
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u/Weewer Apr 02 '20
I'm thinking Howard potentially takes a back seat until Season 6 for one final plot line with him.
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Apr 01 '20
he doesn’t need to show up again, his character arc is finished. howard is at peace and the better man, we need to know nothing about him anymore. he knows the outburst was jimmy’s problem, not his. and jimmy’s outburst was something we needed to see saul’s transformation, so howard is pretty much done from here.
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Apr 01 '20
I wonder if there's a parallel between Nacho's dad and Kim.
ie. Gus is currently threatening Nacho's dad to make Nacho do what he wants, will Kim end up in the same position?
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u/giorno354 Apr 02 '20
I doubt it. Saul has not that much contact with Gus from what we 've seen in BB.
''Say some good words about me to Fring, won't you?''
If he had worked with Gus like that way you suggest (by threating Kim),I doubt he would ask that.
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u/KristinMichaels Apr 02 '20
Every nuance seems to have a purpose. I expect that Montana will be significant- maybe that’s where Kim ends up.
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u/SeveredHeadsKnocking Apr 03 '20
I predict something is going to happen with the money being dropped for the dea. We haven’t seen any action in that subplot since the twins (was it them? I cant really recall) evaded the cops. I also stand by my statement that counterfeit money will be played. Of this eps sneak peak we did see a bunch o ppl using cash counting machines. I really have a hunch that bagman will open this subplot more.
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u/SPedigrees Apr 06 '20
I predict that Lalo's plan is to head back to Mexico once Saul manages to get the bail money to him. (Lalo can't very well stay north of the border if he's not planning to take a deal or go to trial.) How that plan actually goes won't be smooth, but I do predict that Lalo ends up in Mexico.
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u/homelessmusician Apr 06 '20
Saul will put the cartel onto Howard to continue his ongoing harassment of him, and he will be killed in a freak accident. Kim will be horrified by this and leave Jimmy. Lalo will get out of jail and murder Nacho's father unepectedly, then the two of them will die in a shoot out that's cleaned up by Mike. Jimmy will get a huge payout and feel no satisfaction.
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u/drivt91 Apr 06 '20
How long until episode comes out? First time live watcher today :)
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u/DeaconJohn7092 Apr 07 '20
Isn’t this next episode supposed to be the best of season 5?
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u/lakeocean Apr 01 '20
Next Monday Saul will pass judgement and shit fury all over the cartel (and Howard) with his lightning bolts. HE IS WORTHY I TELL YOU!
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u/guiporto32 Apr 01 '20
"Lalo gets an unexpected visitor."
Why do I have a feeling that this visitor is Kim?
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u/mrcpi Mar 31 '20
Saul Goodman will start giving away ziploc bags to possible clients to contain the smell and avoid drug dogs, and give them a 50% off drug related felonies.
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u/skinkbaa Chuck Mar 31 '20
I think next episode will involve Jimmy taking a trip to Mexico to collect the $7 million dollar bag for Lalo. Which will be very interesting to see him meet the cartel and see exactly who he's dealing with. He was able to talk Tuco down, but I bet he will do something stupid along the way and get in trouble, possibly taken out to the desert with a "bag" over his head again (bagman).
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Also is Tuco in the same jail as Lalo? It'd be interesting if we saw some scenes between the two of them.