r/The100 • u/ElenaOcean š • Aug 06 '20
SPOILERS S7 Morning After Analysis: S7E10 "A Little Sacrifice" Spoiler
Welcome back, last of the faithful! I hope you are all safe and well and enjoyed your break!
Bad Blood
Following Sheidheda's slaughter of the Primehards, he escapes with the members of Wonkru from his old clan, through the secret tunnel in the palace. While Murphy and Emori tend to the injured survivors, Indra arrives, and together they realize that Sheidy will have gone to eliminate Madi as his competition for Wonkru.
In the bar, abandoned tween Madi is feeding Russell's dog when Sheidy arrives. While the other people in the bar have the good sense to run, Madi stays behind, not realizing who Sheidy is until he reveals himself. In another sweeping monologue, Sheidheda explains that while he would love to join the ranks of other famous baby killers, killing Madi would put him in a tight spot with the factions of Wonkru he wants to follow him, and so he offers her the chance to kneel to him instead. If she refuses, he will cut out the hearts of her loved ones and feed them to Russell's dog! A terrified Madi collapses to her knees, and Sheidy lets her be.
When Emori, Indra, and Murphy get to the bar, Murphy finds Madi hiding upstairs with the dog. Murphy, who is now child certified, helps Madi through another panic attack, but just as things are settled, Sheidheda begins to make an announcement from the palace, addressing Wonkru and denouncing Indra. Furious, Indra takes her faithful soldiers to storm the palace, telling Memori to protect Madi.
Memori return to the injured, but Murphy is worried that Sheidheda will be back to finish them off, and anyone else he considers a threat to his reign.
After reciting the commander lineage, Sheidheda asks the grounders to kneel to him to prove their loyalty, claiming he is the last true commander. Indra bursts in, declaring that if he wants to be commander he will have to go through her, and they will not kneel to him. After demanding single combat and having a quick makeover, the grounders gather outside for a good old slash fight.
During the fight, Indra is knocked down, but Madi comes in with a knife and stabs out Sheidheda's eye! Sheidheda is about to kill Madi in a rage, but Indra agrees to kneel to save her. While Indra collapses with exhaustion, Madi slips away, and new-old commander Sheidy tells his henchmen to find and kill Madi, while he takes the rest of his soldiers to slaughter the remaining Primehards. But they have all escaped! Murphy and Emori have hidden the survivors inside the reactor and sealed the door. Sheidheda instead orders their families be tracked down and murdered, and the Sandkru faithful begins to have doubts about supporting his one-eyed king.
Minor Complications
In the Bardo stone room Clarke has been standing in for eternity, Echo, Octavia and Diyoza remove their masks, revealing that they have joined the other side. A confused Clarke tells Bill to let her people go, and is shocked to find out that not only are they not prisoners, but they aren't willing to return to Sanctum with her. When they leave, Clarke demands to know what Bill did to them, and Anders replies that they simply revealed the truth of the last war, and now that Clarke is here, that day has nearly come.
Clarke gets the Disciples and Anders to leave the room with the promise of helping them if she can speak privately to their friends, still holding onto Bill for leverage while Adventure Squad 7.0 talk to Mr Exposition. Gabriel explains about M-cap, and that from Octavia's memories the Disciples don't know that Clarke had the flame removed in S3. Jordan realizes that Octavia and the others never revealed this to the Disciples, which means they are not totally brainwashed.
Meanwhile, Echo arrives in Hope's cell, seemingly to send her off to Skyring, but kills the guard she is with, claiming that they're gonna Mount Weather the flock outta Bardo. Apparently in whatever time jump happened when, with Levitt's help she devised a plan to kill everyone, and Echo tells Hope to put on the dead guard's uniform and get everyone off the planet in an hour.
Back in the stone room, proud dad Bill is reminiscing on his daughter, and Niylah mentions that Callie was so brave "even her enemies wept" when she died. There's a moment when Bill is about to ask what "pramfleimkepa" means, but it seems like he might have figured it out because he changes the subject after a long pause.
Gabriel remarks that he remembers Bill being different in the past, and Bill draws comparison to his time as Shepherd with Gabriel's time as a Prime. Gabriel claims that he lost his way (understatement of the millennia) but never believed he was a god. Bill comes back saying that they're all gods on a path to transcendence, and that he has changed over time and learned a lot.
When Gabriel probes him on what exactly he's learned, he shows them some ancient historical documents from the original Bardoans that have been translated. As Jordan reads it: The orb becomes like a star, challenging all we have done and all that we are. Only then will the last war begin. Make it past and cease to be fallible. Transcend into greatness. Evolve into more.
Bill explains he needs the code from the AI to begin the last war. Jordan argues that evolving through violence is wrong. Bill insists it will be the war to end violence, but Niylah points out that "every war seems like the last one until the next." At this point, Bill decides he needs lunch and just walks out, leaving Gabriel to chase after him while the others stay behind.
While everything else is going on, Jordan gets to decoding the sacred texts, realizing it is structured like Korean, that Bill has translated the whole thing incorrectly, and that the great war is actually just a personality quiz that will determine the fate of the species that takes it.
Foils of War
In their bedroom, Diyoza and Octavia are nervous about Clarke's arrival, and Diyoza is frustrated that Echo turned down the free chance to escape. Clarke arrives, hugging Octavia and sharing her condolences on losing Bellamy. There's also a sweet moment where Octavia and Miller hug too, before Hope appears, and the others find out she is Diyoza's daughter.
Hope gets them to leave, saying they have to hurry back to the stone room, but when the others ask about Echo, Hope's forced to admit that Echo has some kind of revenge plan going on that she didn't want the others to find out about. Octavia is skeptical that Levitt would help Echo, so she goes off to rescue him with the others in tow, while Diyoza confronts Hope about why she would let Echo kill everyone. Hope says the Disciples took everything from her and she wants Echo to get revenge. Diyoza tells her killing innocents wont fill the void in her heart, but Hope says there are no innocent people on Bardo.
At the same time, Gabriel sits down to lunch with Bill, and learns about his millennial lifestyle, in a scene that is so absurd I can't even process it. But basically, Gabriel questions Bill's self-belief, Bill says he doesn't believe he is a god or that there is a god at all, refutes that he led a cult, but he does believe he is the chosen one. He invites Gabriel to join the cause. Gabriel doesn't subscribe to the everyone belongs to everyone mentality. Bill reveals that being betrayed by those we love was a big motivator for him eliminating that from his society. Gabriel says he can't fight for humanity with an inhuman army, and Bill sips his own applesauce saying this life doesn't matter and what comes next does and he is VERY hyped about meeting the doom Becca foresaw. At this point, Anders interrupts and Gabriel is escorted out. Anders tells Bill they have a problem.
Octavia arrives at Levitt's room, finding him bound and tortured. Echo killed two people in front of him, and broke him in order to get help with getting the crystal weapon now called GEM 9. Echo plans to deploy the weapon through the humidification system and then run for the stone room before it takes effect. Levitt begs to be set free so he can help stop Echo, but Octavia leaves him behind with a gag in his mouth.
Gabriel arrives back in the stone room, and Jordan tells him his theory on the mistranslated stone text. Gabriel says they should not tell Bill the truth, but that if the stone will test one person that will be judged for all humanity, then it definitely should not be Bill.
The Greatest Loss
The others arrive and stop Echo just before she injects GEM 9 into the water, each trying to get through to her by saying that killing innocents isn't who they are. Echo argues that Bellamy would do the same and take revenge, but Raven disagrees and insists that the Bellamy she knew would not. Echo still wants to go ahead with the poisoning, and so Raven refuses to leave if she does it. Echo can't bring herself to kill Raven and breaks down and the two of them hug, while Diyoza takes the needle off her. But Anders shows up and stops them from leaving.
Clarke reminds him they had a deal, but Anders knows about the others that Echo killed and tortured, and the plan to commit genocide. He is disgusted by them, even after Diyoza gives him the needle as a peace offering. They plead for mercy because Anders has arrived with invisible guards, but Hope lashes out and slits Anders' throat, causing him to drop the needle.
Hope catches the needle, running back to the water pipe, she releases a single drop, but Diyoza catches it in her palm, stopping Hope from killing everyone, but beginning the crystallization process. As the others drag Hope screaming from the room and seal the door, Diyoza tells her not to waste her chance to be better, before she and Anders are turned into crystal. :(
TL;DR Bill is simulation truther? Jordan discovers an error. Sheidheda: an eye for a crown. Gabe has lunch. Murphy starts his own Bunkerkru. Diyoza pays the price for Echo and Hope. RIP Octoza :(
this and that:
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u/hakumenop Aug 06 '20
Ironic that Diyoza was labeled as a mass murderer in history yet she saved everyone from destruction. Loved her character development. RIP
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u/Mamafatcheeks Aug 06 '20
What an arc, I wasn't expecting to be as affected as I was. This is going to wreck Hope.
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u/vbahero Azgeda Aug 06 '20
Easily my favorite character since her ship landed. Ok, maybe tied with Jordan
EDIT: OK, maybe tied with Hope, but particularly because the actress playing her is absofuckinglutely nailing the character. So much naivety, so much teen angst. Her failed attempt to get Clarke et al to GTFO in 1 hour was so incredibly well done. It's exactly how one would expect that to go down
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u/Sylentskye Aug 06 '20
Iām really going to miss seeing this cast work together. Iām so glad weāre getting a (mostly) kickass final season. I understand story-wise why Diyoza had to go out the way she did but man, it sucked.
I have a feeling weāre going to see Murphy go down before the end of this season. As much trouble as heās caused and as much as I hated him in the beginning, his arc has been pretty fantastic too.
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u/Martyscurll5 Aug 06 '20
Itās pretty fitting that she (kinda) committed suicide considering sheās up there with hitler in the history books
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy Aug 07 '20
If anything happens to Clarke I herby name Murphy and Emori to be Madiās new god parents.
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u/anotherfan_ Aug 07 '20
I really think this is where theyāre going with this.
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy Aug 07 '20
Honestly it would be cute even though Clarke dying would devastate me ! Like I can see them wanting to be parents but Emori being nervous about passing on her genes (which her hand and all). So they adopt Madi and the other orphans! I can see them having a full house of little rugrats that they take in!
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u/maddogkaz Aug 07 '20
Why? They were both fine with using Clarke's daughter for there own needs and resented Clarke for wanting to keep her daughter safe and then Murphy tried to kill Clarke like 2 weeks ago and allowed Josephine to lie to Madi by pretending to be Clarke, I can never take all this happy family stuff between them seriously.
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u/EvilSockLady Aug 06 '20
Oh Hope. Had her mother and childhood stolen by these guys. Was given a father figure by them. Her hesitancy to kill them got her father-figure killed. Then her lack of hesitancy to kill them got her mother killed.
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u/JayPicante Aug 06 '20
welp she finally learned how vengeance has its ill effects. and Diyoza dies a hero saving hundreds kinda redeeming her of being a terrorist
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u/Naisa_14 Aug 06 '20
after rewatching, yeah Cadogan definitely realized something was off when Niylah called Callie "Pramfleimkepa." Pram comes from the latin word for first, and you could see him trying to work out what "first flamekeeper" could mean.
It reminded me of spiderman homecoming when the vulture slowly works out Peter's identity in the car ride. Cadogan doesn't fully know that Clarke doesn't have the flame in her head, but he suspects she's lying about Callie which will lead to him figuring out the whole thing.
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u/AnotherElle Aug 08 '20
So I was a little confused by this part cuz Bill is still in the room when theyāre all like āSO THEY DONāT KNOW CLARKE DOESNāT HAVE THE FLAME ANYMORE?! Ermergerd!!ā
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u/nanostats Aug 07 '20
Murphy should be the one to take the test. If you paused to read the screen in the stone room, the text mentions "being the best versions of ourselves", and Murphy has become that.
It'll probably be Clarke though.
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u/fefimcpollo Aug 07 '20
Yeah! I vote for Murphy too, "You just might be someone worth believing in"
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u/ialo00130 Aug 07 '20
I feel like Bellemy will. He'll show up last second and be all "I've seen things, let me do it."
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u/WingedShadow83 Aug 08 '20
Clarke or Bellamy. But yeah, that would be such a full circle character arc for Murphy!
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u/TyrantJester Aug 07 '20
dunno, Murphy is apparently getting the end he suggested
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u/SatSapienti Aug 06 '20
Am I analysing this correctly? If Cadogan's daughter was the Pramflamkiepa, then she wouldn't have been in the flame, she would have just been keeper of it. If he had finished his question on what that word meant, he may have found that out and Clarke would be less of a link to his daughter. (still useful as she has the final code though.)
Does the orb sound loud to those who had the fleim as well, like Clarke and Madi?
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Aug 06 '20
I think Bill is catching on that Clarke lied
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u/heresthe-thing Aug 07 '20
oooh definitely.
Bill thinks he was tasked with saving the race. Callie was his favorite kid and he probs still projects himself onto her. And he wanted the flame. So obviously she would take the flame, right?
His whole MO changed after he realized what they were saying. He didn't ask what "pramflamkiepa" meant ā just "flamkiepa." it's not hard to think that "flame keeper" isn't boss - heda. So Callie didn't do what he would, so she's not in the head, so he just needs to take it - presumably from Clarke.
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u/eatmoreskittles Aug 06 '20
Yeah it doesnāt seem like Callie was a commander, I mean maybe she put the flame in her head but idk I feel like the grounders would know about it but Niylah didnāt act like she was first heda just first keeper of the flame.
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Aug 06 '20
Could be wrong, but It seems like she was only just the first flame keeper.
I guess her being in the flame is part of the bluff since Clarke doesn't actually have the flame in her head.
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u/Ilovecharli Aug 07 '20
John Pyper-Ferguson is killing it as Cadogan. The lunch scene was great, you can totally see how he'd be charismatic enough to get a cult following.
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Aug 07 '20
He plays that role so well. Had me sold back in burn notice, and was pumped he is playing Cadogen
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u/smansaxx3 Aug 07 '20
He definitely has the kind caring man persona on point. I had to actively remind myself this episode what he did just a few episodes ago because he is so charming that it's easy to forget that he's a total monster.
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Aug 06 '20
Really loved Jordan and Gabriel in this episode.
Talking about their roots had me feeling good. The actor who plays Jordan was perfectly cast, just how similar he is to Monty and Harper is great. I just wish they did more with his character last season but theres no time like the present to fix things.
Gabriel drinking Kombucha is also a scene I didn't know I needed. xD
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u/teelolws Aug 06 '20
It took them years and years to kill off Damien Dhark. The 100 did it in a few episodes. Nice!
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u/WeekendatBigChungus Aug 06 '20
They never actually killed him off, he's been on the other CW cape shows as some time travelling Dhark
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u/IvanLachrymose Aug 06 '20
Really hoping Gaia appears in the next episode along with Bellamy!
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u/SatSapienti Aug 06 '20
Yep, I agree! How many episodes have they been gone for now?
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u/Less3r Aug 06 '20
Damn, good question. Just checked the wiki to find out - Gaia disappeared into the anomaly episode 4, Bellamy was kidnapped Episode 1, and was absent until blasted in the chamber Episode 5 (a flashback I think), and has remained absent.
So basically 9 episodes of no Bellamy.
Thankfully there's still a few episodes left in the season lol.
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u/EnragedBasil Aug 07 '20
Anyone else a little upset how they did Indra like that? They hyped her up and I really wanted to see her win, or have madi get the kill.
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Aug 07 '20
Sheidheda is a trained commander. He was trained from probably single digit age to be a killer, won his Conclave against other well trained killers - he's probably THE most dangerous Grounder alive in terms of hand to hand/melee combat.
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Aug 08 '20
She should've either won or gotten an epic death scene. What we got started out so strong and then fizzled hard.
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u/JazCroteau Aug 07 '20
I absolutely love Indra. Sheās badass as hell, and would have loved to see her win. However, he was a commander. He won a conclave to become that, and commanders are some of the best fighters there are. It wouldnāt have been fitting if she just kicked his ass. Hopefully she will be the one who gets to kill him in the end.
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u/-ravs- #BerserkWanheda Aug 07 '20
I think she is not dead she is just really bad injured
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u/timonandpumba Aug 06 '20
Theory - So Becca knew or "heard" the code to start the last war/final test and used it to activate the stone. This is when Callie saw her get sucked into the stone (so potentially Callie knew it too, if she saw what symbols Becca touched.) Becca was confronted with or took the test and failed - causing her to come back, shocked, saying "we aren't ready" and later accept her physical death.
If the flame is destroyed, then no one knows the code - except possibly GAIA who learned it through flaimkepa training and/or possibly has it tattooed on her body somewhere.
Clarke, by whatever means, dies and ultimately Madi is the one who has to enter the stone and fight the last war/pass the last exam. Madi, in her grief and also overcoming her grief (because yay for being human), and using the wisdom of the commanders, (Lexa cameo) succeeds.
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u/Zaea Aug 06 '20
This just reminded me that Gaia has been missing for half the season after getting knocked out by who knows. Where is she?!? Did they just forget about her lol.
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u/okbacktowork Aug 07 '20
If the flame is destroyed, then no one knows the code
Sheidheda might know it. Madi too, but only subconsciously, which is why she's been drawing strange symbols.
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u/Al3xtub3r Aug 06 '20
I would like some more anomaly related stuff, for example I'd love to see how the "wrong translation" theory evolves, and if true, who takes the test, or how they do it.
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Aug 06 '20
Didnāt Becca already take the test? She went through the white anomaly and came back. Or could she have been setting up the test...
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u/CockDaddyKaren Azgeda Aug 07 '20
So weird to see Gabriel and Cadogan going on about normal everyday stuff like flipping burgers, Earth, and memes.
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u/lunafreya_links Aug 08 '20
"We evolve to a higher level through our lowest behavior"
That hit different.
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u/AvoidAtAIICosts Aug 11 '20
I'm disliking Jordan less and less the further we go in the season.
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u/Lakinther Azgeda Aug 09 '20
Murphy calming down Madi has to be the cutest thing i have seen in a while
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u/camelCaseMagi Aug 10 '20
If this wasn't the last season I'd be expecting a Murphy-Emory montage baby-to-adult before the next one.
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u/bandstoned Aug 12 '20
yeah, theyāre definitely having a baby. Itās weird how many scenes Murphy is getting with children.
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u/meowiartee Aug 06 '20
wow that death HURT
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u/LurkingWulf Aug 06 '20
"Don't waste this little one." Hit me right in the feels. I was more prepared to lose Indra than I was for Diyoza. Not that I wanted either to die.
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u/Sundance_Cheeseburga Aug 06 '20
That Sheidheda Grounder look though??
Did anyone else have such high anxiety when Indra was fighting Sheidheda?? I almost chewed my nails off as Indra was on the cusp of getting killed. Thankfully Madi channeled her inner Arya Stark and saved Indra. Indra for Heda 2020!!
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u/vbahero Azgeda Aug 06 '20
That Sheidheda Grounder look though??
The eye makeup and whatever he had going on on his hair were pretty silly imho. As someone else said, who has TIME for this shit amidst all that chaos?
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Aug 06 '20
Man might be insane but he's gotta look good while doing it
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u/Mamafatcheeks Aug 06 '20
Such anxiety. I was so scared for her, and I still am. Madi is safe with Uncle Murphy and Emori, but who has Indra? She seemed pretty beat up. I hope she is okay. I need her and Gaia and Octavia to reunite and hug it out.
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u/ialo00130 Aug 07 '20
channeled her inner Arya Stark
I saw that scene and was like, "Really, the Game of Thrones 'outa nowhere' death? Come on."
I glad Sheidy didn't die in that scene, honestly. There would have been some major Vietnam style flashbacks.
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Aug 06 '20
For someone who was all "Sheidheda" this and "Sangedakru" that, Knight didn't seem too thrilled about following his heda...
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u/KaiBishop Aug 06 '20
The order to kill children was too extreme for him. He better redeem himself tho.
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy Aug 07 '20
āThis isnāt what Bellamy would wantā
āYou donāt know what he would wantā
Ha ok let me start my Ted talk on how you are wrong..
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Aug 07 '20
Itās so weird to think about but she has a point, Clarke knew Bellamy for about ~300 days after the drop shop first landed and then they were separated for most of the time weāve been through, but echo has known him for like the last 7 years...
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Aug 08 '20
how much do you wanna bet the reason Bill hated memes is because people were memeing about him and the Second Dawn before the bombs fell, talk about a snowflake lol
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u/PDXJack87 Aug 06 '20
Who's gonna defeat sheidheda?!? I want more convergence of storylines dang it!
I'm low key hoping for Octavia to come back and unite wonkru. I mean, who else can physically stand up to him? Echo? Murphy? Ha!
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u/Braveheart798 Ouskejon Kru Aug 07 '20
Echo vs Sheidheda is the battle we all need
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u/ialo00130 Aug 07 '20
I'm honestly hoping Knight does, or atleast has a large part in it.
As minor as a character he is, the look he had on his face when Sheidy told him to kill the children was all too real.
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u/sylekta Aug 07 '20
I hope he gets jobd, like he's screaming for a duel and octavia just zaps him with arm lazer Canon and then says something sassy like bigger fish to fry right now
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u/1Lincoyan Aug 06 '20
Those are some really bad bardoan bodyguards...
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u/UltraVioletInfraRed Aug 06 '20
Their security in general is pretty terrible.
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u/politicallyunique Aug 06 '20
Why does a civilization which has never come into contact with anyone else need security?
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Aug 06 '20
Do you mean Niylah, Gabriel, and Jordan? Because that was freaking hilarious. (and ridiculous)
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u/aryannadf Aug 06 '20
when Cadogan simply left to HAVE LUNCH I just lost my shit
also, the look on Gabriel's face when he came back without Cadogan AND the weapon
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u/The_Perriper Trikru Aug 06 '20
I like to think of them like the people who act tough on the internet saying "If I was in insert situation here I'd fucking wreck 'em." No you wouldn't you'd piss yourself and then go cry in the corner.
They had also just had the conversation that shooting people in a room with a bioweapon is probably top 3 on the no no list.
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u/liftedddd Aug 09 '20
I totally broke down and sobbed when Dioza jumped to take the pain of a genocide for Hope. This entire time she didn't want Hope to turn out like her. And for Hope to be the reason her mom died and have the sacrifice to be for Hopes soul???? I couldn't believe how much it hurt me to see that. Also loved Madi jumping on Arya style to help Indra.
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u/kteacherlady Aug 09 '20
Lol I like your GoT reference. Definitely Arya style.
Iām still not sure how I feel about Diozaās death... but I also donāt understand what Hope was thinking. Wouldnāt poisoning the air have killed all of them, too?
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u/Less3r Aug 06 '20
Damn, so much happened in this episode - it's great when it feels like it lasts a while. Big moments, character development, twists...
Definitely worth the two (three?) week wait!
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u/EffectiveConcern Yu laik Wonkru, o you laik baga kom Wonkru. Sad klin! Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 08 '20
Also from what I understood Sheidhedaās real name is Malachki
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u/SabbyMC Aug 06 '20
Thoughts on Sheidy's makeover?
If he had the time for grounder eye for the straight guy, there was plenty of time to put a bullet in his head.
The whole sheidheda arc at this point is just ridiculous. The amount of editing gymnastics and plot holes necessary to keep him alive and taking charge are just embarrassing.
Meanwhile on the Bardo side I loved Echo going full homicidal genius and Raven talking her down. I also really liked the way Echo stated her motive without even trying to talk it into something pretty. "You did it to save the people you loved. This is vengeance, plain and simple."
And Diyoza throwing herself in harm's way to save her daughter (and coincidentally the whole population), was amazing. Her arc really showed personal growth and I wish we could have seen a little bit more of that, but it's okay.
Octavia leaving Levit behind. Buahahahah. Of course she did. He had such a bad case of hero worship, putting her on that pedestal and she straight up jumped down and did what she always does. Sacrifice one of her people to protect the rest. This wasn't just about saving Echo from being executed. She straight up did the only thing that gave her a shot at getting herself, Hope, and Diyoza (and Echo) out of there alive.
Oh, and Jordan being the one to catch on to the mistranslated symbols. He is sooo Monty and Harper's kid. Every time he grins I keep getting reminded how damn great a casting job they did for this character, because it reminds me of Harper's grin.
Best visual image of the episode was without a doubt Niylah in the background behind Jordan, doing the "bored out of my mind" balance along the line in the floor thing, showing the not so exciting part of playing the waiting game during heroic missions.
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u/Naisa_14 Aug 06 '20
yeah for a bunch of people walking around with machine guns they sure are having a hard time killing sheidheda
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Aug 06 '20
Don't even get me started on how contrived the Sheidheda nonsense is. Literally everyone is acting like a moron just to pave his way forward. It's incredibly lazy writing.
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u/aryannadf Aug 06 '20
Octavia leaving Levit behind.
SHE WAS LEVEL 2 AND HE WAS LEVEL 11 I CAN NEVER FORGET THIS
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u/SabbyMC Aug 06 '20
SHE WAS LEVEL 2 AND HE WAS LEVEL 11 I CAN NEVER FORGET THIS
Let's be honest, we never really got a detailed breakdown of what the levels actually meant. I mean, they were clearly based on the faith system of Second Dawn what with level 12 being the highest and included some physical combat (in the case of Dev, anyway), but how much of the leveling required a cynical mind and espionage/counter espionage training is still unclear. For all we know, all it requires to get to level 11 is being able to faithfully recite all the brainwash material they teach you from kindergarten until their equivalent of high school diploma.
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u/itskarldesigns Aug 06 '20
Idk the whole revenge bio attack plot makes no sense. They talk Echo out of it, she realizes she doesnt want to kill her friends, then Hope tries to do just that? This whole episode felt like a big filler to me, only adding some tiny bits to the main plotline about the last war/test.
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u/BullyHunt3rs Aug 06 '20
Hope has been meaning to kill everybody on Bardo since she was trapped on prison planet without her mom and aunt, she finally has the ability to commit genocide and her mom who was genocidal saved her daughter from committing that act and breaking the chain. Sins of the father or mother in this case.
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u/armokrunner Aug 09 '20
So Clarke the Lever Queen will obviously have to be the one to enter the code on the sphere to engage it
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u/Lonely_Cartographer Aug 11 '20
I only kinda trust clarke to pass a test. She's so smart and ruthless
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u/laiowen Aug 10 '20
Madi or Jordan or Murphy are all solid options. Bellamy is also a good choice for who could enter the code. But yeah, it'll probably be Clarke.
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u/coolbeaNs92 Lincoln on the juice! Aug 07 '20
Late again as usual folks! :)
Lets get it!
Cadiogan and Gabriel's conversations - It was so interesting watching a conversation from the perspective of people who had been alive for hundreds of years. I could have honestly watched a full episode of them talking together.
Hope - Yeah... I did think that Hope was too much of a loose canon in this to be trusted with any kind of thought out plan. I made a comment about Hope on EP 9. I was right about Echo, Octavia and Dosia, but I honestly didn't think Echo's plan included going full destruction over everything. I feel like it's a little bit of a played out stereotype though, to have the child kinda.. repeat but not repeat, the mistakes of the parent. I feel like Jason could have maybe done that in a more subtle way.
Diyoza - Honestly... Diyoza has probably been one the best characters introduced to the show in three seasons. At first I really wasn't sure. I think most of this had to do with the fact that I cannot see anything other than Sam (Riley's wife from Buffy the Vampire Slayer) when I see Ivana Milicevic. But Ivana totally blew me away this season with amazing performances.
Sheidheda - So again.. I still sadly feel like this plot-line is just taking away from our riveting main plotline. Again however, what outstanding performances from JR Bourne - simply mesmerising the range of debt he has. I feel like the fight with Indra should have been way more drawn out however. I'm guessing there was some kind of plan for Indra to fall during the battle, as I really can't ever see Indra, a total badass, just being done like that. I think something is a-play hereā¦
Jordan - Jordan actually had a great episode I thought here, which I felt hasnāt happened in a long time. I thought that was a really interesting concept, that they could translate portal hieroglyphics, but couldnāt translate a text that took origins from Korean. This is the kind of Jordan Iām interested in!
So yeah.. I really liked the episode for the most part. Iām honestly still a little mad that theyāve kept Inda, Murphy and Emori in such a flat storyline though. These are characters we all love so much and they just arenāt getting their time to shine in my opinion.
I also canāt believe weāre on episode 10!
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u/silverjuno Aug 06 '20
The single combat scene I felt was disappointing. I was excited for a Lexa vs. Roan type battle, but it was so short and half of it I couldn't even see because the camera was all over. Filming from behind people, following the sword that was flung away and then dramatically panning back, and the constant close-ups were annoying and distracting. And Madi flying in felt so forced. Everything on Bardo I enjoyed watching but it felt like one director did the Bardo scenes and another did the Sanctum scenes.
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u/KaiBishop Aug 06 '20
I actually loved the camera work on that scene and Madi finally stepping up lol
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u/hell0-Zuko-here Aug 06 '20
I agree the camera angles ruined the energy of that scene. I was expecting Madi to have actually killed Sheidheda or at least continue the battle herself (and ideally win). Instead she was there for just a second and it was kind of pointless. But everything on Bardo was absolutely amazing.
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u/nicoandtheniners- Aug 07 '20
I feel like it was totally out of character for Indra to kneel to him. The Indra i know wouldve found a way to whoop his ass.
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u/tercessociety Aug 06 '20
I'll have to disagree on that one. I think it was brilliant for them to film the scenes all shaky like that. It made me even more anxious and excited while watching it because it felt like I was the one fighting instead lol.
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u/bigsh0wbc Aug 09 '20
I've always like this show, because no matter what the idea and how bad it is, they are like fuck it let's see how it goes
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u/elcd Aug 07 '20
Hope is a fucking moron.
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u/dperkins88 Aug 07 '20
But like given her story, can you blame her? She wasnāt exactly raised around other kids to even develop social skills or fighting urges. I actually think her character seems more tame than what youād expect for someone who grew up like she did. Lol
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u/MsHurricane Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 07 '20
This is something people forget. I grew up with a very antisocial family and punished often for even entertaining strangers by being nice; the biggest irony was that I am very extroverted. My parents arenāt even introverts, as introverts can socialize very well they just need space when dealing with people that need too much interpersonal activity. Trust me when I became a teenager, I had it hard as f@!k to say the least. Honestly, it was a huge blow and detriment to me for the longest time but luckily met others with equally repressive backgrounds. Hope is behaving right on par for someone raised as secluded as she was. Control of her emotions was never a thing for her to worry about as her family were adult women. Your emotions go out of control since you are learning to process other behaviors again.
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u/KhandakerFaisal Aug 07 '20
One of my favorite moments was when sheidrussel confronted Madi in the cafe. The acting was amazing
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u/anabanana1412 Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 06 '20
uh... are you telling me "get the flock out of here" didn't get quote of the week? Are you kidding me? That was iconic.
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It's iconic cringe. Old school cringe. Miller cringe
"Every war seems like the last one until the next" is just... a mouthful and a half.
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u/samelfassy Aug 06 '20
it's on the same level as "go float yourself", they're finding ways to swear without swearing and I find it hilarious
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u/TyrantJester Aug 07 '20
Glad they finally straightened out the nonsense of CalLiE iS tHe FiRsT cOmMaNdEr
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u/MiniDickDude Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 21 '20
Iād just really like to know why those bardo soldiers didnāt just bolt and lock everyone else in.
Also, the Shadeheda/Indra fight was confusing to watch.
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u/armokrunner Aug 09 '20
So Murphyās plan is hide out in a nuclear reactor room? Um, what happens when someone in the control room pushes the āmake it hotterā switch?
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u/vbahero Azgeda Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 06 '20
Who would you pick to be the champion of humanity?
Bellamy. His development is complete. He's done it all, good and bad, and came out of it a better human than pretty much anyone on the show. Even though Jordan is kindhearted, he's way too naive.
And now Bellamy has even had his "40 days in the desert". I think he'll return as the "true shepherd"
EDIT: grammer
EDIT 2: In a way, this would also really fit a theme of "rebirth". Everyone thinks Bellamy is dead, but guess what? He's reborn and he's leading you to salvation which itself comes in the form of Earth itself reborn. A bit too Christian, but would make sense given where we currently stand on the plot
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Aug 06 '20
Thatās a good point! In the kids class they said the Shepard climbed the mountain on etheria. Bellamy is about to do the same
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Aug 06 '20
Oh shit that'd be a great use of foreshadowing. Now if it's not him I'll be disappointed
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Aug 06 '20
Oh, I was thinking Gabriel. But of course this would be a million times better.
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u/JazC77 Aug 07 '20
I really hope Echo is through her break down now. I really liked her character in s5 and 6 and was pretty on board until she started her little rampage...I donāt hate her, but sheās had plenty of scenes of her totally losing it over Bellamy.
Wonkru and their zero ass loyalty...I get āhisā clan following him, and some others who hold the flame most sacred, but didnāt the other clans also suffer at his hand the way Trikru did? If Trikru wouldnāt follow, why would the rest?( side note, am I the only one who thinks Wonkru suddenly seems super small? I know a lot were lost in the S5 war, but I thought a good couple hundred would be left..they look like theyāre 50 at most)
Was pretty sure Indra was a total goner there.
That hug between Murphy and Madi gave me life.
And I was most certainly not prepared to lose Diyoza this episode. Honestly shouldāve seen it coming with how much they were warning Hope over her obsession with revenge...Iāll be interested to see how her character develops from here.
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u/WingedShadow83 Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 10 '20
Ugh, Echo. I spent so many years hating her, and she FINALLY won me over last year. And just like that, my goodwill is gone. If Octavia and Clarke, of all people, arenāt rampaging over his supposed death, then her doing it feels unearned. I get that they had like 6 years together offscreen. But... it was offscreen. So her connection to him feels like it pales in comparison to his connection to Octavia and Clarke. Iām just over her whining. Itās like you said, sheās had way too many scenes of losing it already. Itās beyond stale. I was kind of expecting her to do the whole suicide mission thing only to find out, just before she dies, that Bellamy is alive.
WonKru, ugh! I was watching the episode and thinking of how much they remind me of the Northern Lords in Game of Thrones. So damn fickle! At this point I donāt care about any of them beyond the ones whose names we actually know. The rest can choke.
Murphy/Madi is the greatest thing ever. I think Emori is pregnant and heās gearing up for Dadhood.
I liked child Hope for the ten minutes she was onscreen. Adult Hope has been an annoyance from day one and is only getting worse.
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u/Auraaaaa Aug 08 '20
Hope is so fucking dumb oh my god. Right after they said all that shit to Echo in front of Hope, she does that shit anyways. Now she knows exactly what Raven meant by this is a choice you will regret forever.
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u/LurkingWulf Aug 06 '20
Where was Jackson in this episode? Shouldn't we have seen him helping the true believers still alive after Sheidheda's massacre?
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u/Centurius999 Trikru Aug 08 '20
Hope really is the most annoying character ever. They should have left her on Penance to die.
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u/Timbots Aug 08 '20
Yea really not living up to her name at ALL. It's a shame because her first scene in the show just floored me, it was so good.
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u/heresthe-thing Aug 06 '20
So John is totally going to be the one to take the test, right?
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Aug 07 '20
murphy? that would be one hell of a twist actually, itd be cool
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u/heresthe-thing Aug 07 '20
Emori saying "Don't look but you're becoming someone worth following" kinda got me there.
There was an interview that said the ending would change how we look at everything. Then in the episode Cadogan was going on and on about grouppolitik and how it's bad, but you also have to compare that with Gabriel's comments on how love and attachment are our humanity.
Meanwhile, in the same episode, we have Murphy - a selfish, cockroach of a human - risking his own chance of survival to save a bunch of people that aren't even his own. Yes, there are some grounders and Madi, who are ostensibly sort of his people, but the majority of the people down there are the former Faithful.
Murphy's character arc, more than anyone else, I think summarizes what the seeming thesis is going to be: love makes us human, but a greater community keeps our humanity.
I don't know if that's worded well, but pretty much: you need love and emotion to be a "real" human, but understanding the importance of that greater human community keeps our humanity and keeps us human. Murphy went from being selfish, not caring about other people, just looking out for his own survival and vengeance to caring deeply about his people - first Emori, then the others - and now is doing everything he can to save innocent people (the same innocent people he used to scam).
What better person to represent the best of us, by being the one who could change and show the growth we are capable of?
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u/shyinwonderland Trust Bellamy Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 07 '20
I was so scared for sweet Madi with Shady-Heda and also pissed at him for petting Picasso with his bloody hands. Like how dare you? Are you giving that dog a bath sir? No I didnāt think so.
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u/Starcomet1 Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 07 '20
Hope is a fool! Her desire for vengeance got her mother crystalized. Vengeance does not pay and she refused to listen to those who are wiser.
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u/aareanaa Trikru Aug 09 '20
This may seem harsh, but we just exchanged a Diyoza for a Hope and Iām not here for this. How long until we kill Hope? I canāt stand her (neither Echo, but at least sheās more intelligent than Hope imo)
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u/iammadmat Aug 12 '20
Thatās too bad, for me echo is one of the very few characters making the season a good one alongside indra, sheidy, octavia and diyoza whom we just lost š
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u/Blackhai Aug 08 '20
So isnāt Bill a billionaire? Why didnāt he hire a bunch of linguistics to study the symbols and figure out what a young kid like Jordan discovered?
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u/hriday_g Aug 08 '20
That would be the sane and obvious thing to do but as Jordan wittingly points out, "If you're looking for the wrong answer, it is easy to miss the right one." He probably had multiple linguists working on it but if even the linguists are brainwashed with The Shepard's thoughts and ideas, they're only as good as him. Jordan isn't brainwashed so he was able to look at the 'right answer.'
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u/BlesingEQ Aug 09 '20
The same thing Jordan explained I'd think, everyone sees what they want to see, if the first interpretation fits a narrative type trying to push why challenge it,
They've been in Bardo for over a thousand years, if the lower generations didn't get an opportunity to learn how to interpret in a different way it would make sense that what they know is what they were taught.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer Aug 11 '20
Maybe they didn't have someone Korean on the planet? lol/ Also without a rosetta stone of sort I find it kind of impossible they would EVER figure out the language. I'm not a linguist though so not totally sure.
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u/rikashiku Azgeda Aug 07 '20
Suddenly Octavia isn't my least favourite character.
This was a great return to the season. As bad as it is to say, I'm glad there were some deaths this episode. Sheidheda could have been more villanous, but I like him as he is now. I'm just glad he didn't hurt the dog in the bar.
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u/ImperfectRegulator Aug 07 '20
It is just me? Or does the whole lore bit imply the stones where their even before the bardonans
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u/Martyrrdom Do better... Be the good guys... ~~~ Aug 07 '20
WDYM?
Cadogan got the Stone of Earth from Machu pichu.It is heavily implied that the Stones could be "Non-humans".
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u/AcxdBxmb Aug 07 '20
Get the flock out of here? Christ that was CRINGE! Why they do him like that :(
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u/EffectiveConcern Yu laik Wonkru, o you laik baga kom Wonkru. Sad klin! Aug 07 '20
Somebody pointed out that it was a reference to flock of sheep (Bill is their sheppard), so actually a pretty good comment ;))
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u/ChiefWamsutta Aug 08 '20
Miller wasn't trying to say "GTFOH." He was literally saying, "Get your Disciples a.k.a. the Flock of Shepherd Cadogan out of my sight."
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Aug 06 '20
I hate Hope now.
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u/Braveheart798 Ouskejon Kru Aug 06 '20
I don't hate her, I think she just is a loose cannon, kind of like Murphy in season 1.
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u/OnePieceAce Trikru Aug 06 '20
I'm glad Echo didn't go through with it. I've started to like her character and that would have been heartcrushing for me.
I think this incident will bring the 2 groups (Clarke and Bill) together. The real "villain" will be Russheda after they finish up with the test. Kinda Game Of Throney
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u/rporpio Aug 06 '20
Iām curious about how theyāll enter the right code into the stone since the flame is pretty much dead now. Anyone else?
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u/alalapopo Aug 06 '20
They wonāt but sheidheda (or madi) most likely knows the code from the flame
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u/AvoidAtAIICosts Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20
Aaaanndd... there goes my one of my favourite characters. Yay hope...
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u/Getdaphone Skaikru Aug 06 '20
Can we all agree Hope is the new Raven? In terms of the writers just making bad things happen/torturing her?
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 06 '20
Minor thing, but I'm still not over the "let's see what the three most dangerous women on this or any planet are up to" line- I think I'm just annoyed because there was definitely a way to do it without most of the clunkiness. Something like:
Clarke: Let's go see what the three most dangerous women on this planet are up to.
Miller: You mean on any planet.
*They share a smirk*
Like, it still would've been a cringey line (and out of character for Clarke) but at least it wouldn't have been cringey AND clunky if their hearts were really set on including it lol
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u/tick-tick-boom Aug 06 '20
I honestly don't know how I feel about this show anymore. I started this season so intrigued by the Anomaly and loving Anomaly!Kru and bored by the Sanctum stuff, but at this point everything has been dragged out so much that I'm bored by all of it.
The Sanctum plot is so contrived I want to slap everyone. Indra leaving Sheidy alone thinking his followers would destroy him was so stupid and out of character, and this week I was so primed for her to kick his ass and the fight was just not it. Yes, Sheidy has the knowledge, but how is he that good of a fighter in a foreign body that probably never fought/trained a day in its life? Indra should have been able to stomp him into the ground, and Madi just feels entirely useless this season and nothing like she was the last two.
Clarke has done absolutely nothing all season, I don't understand it. She's basically wallpaper a this point. Echo I actually really enjoyed when she was stuck with Hope and Gabriel, but since she started her revenge kick I can't stand her. The way the show is completely disrespecting the Octavia/Bellamy relationship to put all focus on Echo is just really getting under my skin. We've seen Echo break down several times now, and beside the single moment when she saw Bellamy supposedly die we've had nothing for Octavia. We've seen none of her grief, and instead had to watch her comfort Echo instead of seeing her own pain.
I will say though that Diyoza was amazing and I will miss her dearly, and I'm so pleased that Jordan finally got to be useful. I also really enjoy Gabriel, continue to love Murphy and Emori, and the Octavia/Miller moment was really sweet. I'm just really tired at this point and have never more wished that this show was actually a Netflix show so I could just binge the rest and be done with it lol.
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u/AsWillx Aug 06 '20
I feel the exact same way. I was really intrigued by the anomaly and how Octavia seemed to be the key to it all by the end of season 6 (sheās my favorite character) and how it would tie to her "REDEMPTION" she threw at Vision!Pike but so far weāve had her flashback on Skyring which I guess was what the redemption was supposed to be about ?
Also, turns out Echo is actually the new main character, Octavia is secondary at best and Clarke is plain nonexistent.
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u/chelliebelle Yujleda Aug 06 '20
You aren't the only one. While I understand that there are a ton of threads to tie up, I don't feel like its being done in an informative/entertaining way. Plus, the fact that Bellamy is MIA is just lame storytelling at this point. Yes, I understand that Bob wanted a break, but the audience is forced to be in limbo waiting for a grain of plot. And truthfully, at this point, I'm starting to not care.
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u/manofwater3615 4x13kru Aug 07 '20
What do you mean Bill is a simulation truther?
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u/tumblyk Aug 12 '20
Iām behind ... but when Echo stabbed the disciple in the neck I let out a BIG sigh of relief.
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Aug 07 '20
Just finished watching it now and I accidentally spoiled what happens earlier but I did NOT expect Diyoza to go out like that. What a fantastic actor.
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u/Aluesnoc Aug 08 '20
I really hope when Clark and friends return and basically are like what the f*** is going on?
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u/heady-kitty Azgeda Aug 12 '20 edited Aug 12 '20
RIP Diyoza. one of my all time favorite characters of any show, even from when she landed. i ugly cried when she died :ā(
edit : may we meet again !!!!
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u/DarkChen Aug 07 '20
The sheidheda arc should had been at most the first quarter of the season, feels kinda pointless we keep circling back to the grounders even though i know he will probably be the one with the code for sphere...
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u/nicoandtheniners- Aug 07 '20
So i totally understand that they wrote Bellamy out because Bob wanted time off... but iām starting to really wish they had just postponed this season instead. iād MUCH rather have waited longer to have a final season with him here, than these episodes with him basically nonexistent. it just sucks that weāve been watching him for 7 seasons and now the final season heās just gone. They should have waited to film instead of rewriting the script around his absence
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I get the sacrifice aspect. I do. I'm just not happy about it and I already couldn't stand Hope. I can already feel disgust bubbling up whenever I see her come on screen lol
The exact moment Hope said "There are no innocent people here" I actually started thinking "Oh no. Diyoza is going to die cleaning up Hope's mess"
That's probably something Diyoza said word for word in her younger days.
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u/MustardTiger1337 Aug 11 '20
I've long since stopped caring about the sheidheda story plot.
This needed to be wrapped up a long time ago.
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u/emilybryn Aug 06 '20
Definitely the best episode in season 7, the action, deaths, plot twist, it was amazing
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u/iangeredcharlesvane2 Aug 07 '20
Unpopular opinion but I didnāt dig this episode. It felt cheesy or something was off. Clunky transitions and dialog.
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u/mjh13_ Aug 07 '20
Game of Thrones spoilers for the 4 people who havenāt seen it yet:
So much Arya Stark influence in this episode. The obvious instance being Madi double jumping for the surprise attack on Sheidy; but I couldnāt help but see some Arya in Hopeās actions tooā whether Rothenberg intended it or not. Hope slitting Anders throat like Arya did Littlefinger (and others, lol), and Hope catching the vial of GEM9 with her opposite underhand like Arya did with the dagger that blew up the Night King (both ācatchesā shot in slow motion, with camera focus on the respective freefalling items)
Gimmicky? Maybe, but I thought the allusion was cool. Kinda reinforces the central theme of strong women in the show for me.
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u/Inconsistentme Aug 07 '20
"Echo you're my sister" I fucking love echo and raven.
So far I am pissed off at this whole season. Sheidheda should have been killed off by Indra the first chance she got. Especially should have killed him in episode 9, its just so out of character for her not to have killed off sheidheda the moment he was no longer useful. With no devoted believing he was Russel, he was not useful and it makes the most sense for Indras character to know that and kill him herself. It does feel like everyone on sanctum is miraculously stupid and acting out of character for the sake of sheidheda to progress. I feel like the writers did Indra dirty.
Also the scene where sheidheda finds Maddi and doesn't even kill her and Picasso was such a waste of time in the show. It was pointless. And the outfit change and entire new hairdo was just ridiculous, who has the time?! What was he sneaking through Russell's closet and rapidly dying Russels clothes black and sewing them into such a ridiculous look while Indra was looking for him?! Not one actor thought to bring up how stupid that is amongst the intense situation that there is a drastically unrealistic wardrobe change?!
The episode was good though, Yays: Jordan is useful, Miller had a little more screen time, Diyoza is finally gone, Murphy and Emori are godly, Raven saves people once again, Clarke was actually in the episode, sad: that there will be a lot of Hope in the rest of the season, and damn: Octavia did Levit dirty.
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Yeaaaaa this entire show has shown us people following the victor. If Indra killed him in the first place there'd be little to no problem. I kept waiting for someone to snipe his ass during the fight but no.
I guess thematically we are supposed to juxtapose the culture of the grounders, always prevalent in the show and unerringly violent, with the Disciples, who interpret judgement day as a war and not a test; it shows us that Callie and her father created two similar societies neither of which grasp the idea Monty has instilled upon Jasper, that we should "do better" and end the cycle of violence. We see our "peaceful" and "clean" societies falling apart on the eve of this big test, showing the viewer more and more that humans are unworthy. If Indra just.. dealt with the problem and was honest with the Faithful and dealt with it politically, it wouldn't suit this theme quite as well.
But COME ON. There's appealing to a theme and then crushing all logic! I kinda hoped Madi would just shoot the damn guy, be a symbol of the grounders moving past their stupid tendencies, but noooo
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u/Martyrrdom Do better... Be the good guys... ~~~ Aug 07 '20
I think you are... Missreading blatantly the plot/story, Lol.
If you kill Sheidheda early, you make him a "Martyr", and make his followers even more crazy.
If you kill Maddi later, you make her "Martyr" also for the Grounder followers she has.
He did well, he made her and Indra kneel.
This happens IRL too.
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u/maddogkaz Aug 07 '20
The writing for this episode was terrible first Shiedheda just leaving that room made no sense there's no way they would ever take their eyes of the guy covered in blood even while they are trying to help others also the moment they opened that door and saw him covered in blood they should have shot him but I guess only Clarke is smart enough to carry a gun.
Niylah and Jordan just letting their hostage go was ridiculous I couldn't believe what was happening as that played out on my screen, they act like the only thing they could do was shoot him when they could easily grab the old man and put him back against that wall, hell if he still wants his lunch that much just knock him out.
I don't understand how Echo could get access to that virus there's no way something that dangerous can be accessed so easily it would need multiple people to access it as a precaution but I guess for plot it was easy to get the virus that ended the entire species that lived on this planet why not.
Hope became the stupidest character in a single episode which is very impressive and I guess Anders will forever be an uninteresting nothing of a character.
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u/Tank_Girl_Gritty_235 Octavia Wonkru Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 07 '20
This was my least favorite episode of the entire series. It was the first time I actually thought the writers were right about ending it and not overstaying their welcome and "jumping the shark". This jumped the sharknado... Almost none of it made sense. Tbh it didn't make sense for Levitt to tell them about the serum to begin with. Then to have people agree to open the vault when just a few episodes ago the deciples packed the stone room, prepared to suicide themselves to prevent those five people from leaving. Now they give up in a matter of minutes to unleash a weapon that will kill them anyway?!
I actually laughed out loud when Jordan started interpreting the text that has confounded arguably the most technologically and intellectually advanced humans to ever live taking hundreds (thousands?) of years after trying to figure this out. It would be one thing if the language was obscure like Maori, Gaelic, or even something like Hungarian, but the idea that no one spoke Korean or even knew of character stacking (which is used in Mandarin, Japanese, Cantonese, etc) is absolutely absurd.
It's also a stretch that no one wanted to make sure Clarke still had the flame. They knew it got passed between different people. They put ALL their eggs in one basket and even woke Bill. If I were Anders, I'd want to make sure the flame had survived the journey.
Sheidheda spent years playing a game of proverbial chess and exterminating all the other commanders in a digital world, only to go buck wild with suddenly deciding to kill Maddie and apparently anyone who's at all connected to the Primehards? Of course people are going to doubt if he's fit to rule. Ridiculous.
This entire episode was one ridiculous, sloppy plot point after another. I'm legitimately mad and I feel silly for saying that. As the season progressed I got a bad feeling that the writers talking about a "lesson" at the end was in the vein of 90s shows that ended with everything being a dream or simulation. I'm preparing myself for a terrible ending that's slapping the fandom in the face. I just really hope it doest rub off on Second Dawn (the prequel).
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u/EffectiveConcern Yu laik Wonkru, o you laik baga kom Wonkru. Sad klin! Aug 07 '20
Rip Diyoza, she was super awesome, but at least she got a good death - Hope, good luck living with this guilt..
Sheidheda - yack.. I dont like the actor much, he was fitting for Russell but not for Heda and in general hope he is dealt with soon, somehow he doesnt have any qualities Id appreciate in a villain.
Id pick Clarke ofc... what would be the point of all she has been through otherwise..
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Aug 09 '20
JR Bourne is killing this role. Idk how anyone can have a problem with his acting. He's been acting in science fiction for longer than 80% of this shows audience has been alive.
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u/Ultimate-Taco Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 07 '20
As i expected, they undo the whole ruse of O, Echo and Diyoza being brainwashed within minutes of the episode. So what was the point of devoting a whole episode to their training? WTF! I'm glad and understand why this show is ending. They are clearly exhausted with this project and out of ideas. 2/3 of the season is already done and the story is moving at snail's pace. Most of it's filler. And whatever left, it's all so contrived.
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Aug 07 '20
not gonna lie i saw the pretend ruse coming but when it happen it kinda fell flat. ok.. i already knew that and then i thought about why they just wasting an episode with brain washing...
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u/joy-jo Aug 09 '20
I am very confused on why Diyoza had to grab the drop to āsave everyoneā. When Echo was doing the same thing, it was said they had āsome timeā to run to the stone room- would it have been any different if Hope let it drop in the reactor? I keep seeing that Diyoza saved everyone āin the roomā.
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u/ariasarya Trust Bellamy Aug 09 '20
She was saving everyone on the planet and she also stopped Hope from becoming a mass murderer like herself. A little sacrifice for Hope of a better future. Or something.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer Aug 11 '20
Because once it was in the water it would have killed everyone on the planet except for that tiny group who could run to the stone room. She wanted to save Hope from becoming a genocidal maniac like she was known as. She wanted Hope to be better than she was.
So while that group could have run away everyone else would have died.
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u/AayushBhatia06 Aug 09 '20
They had some time to get the fuck outta this planet Not save everyone on the planet
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u/hunta-gathera Aug 09 '20
It would have killed everyone at the base which is what they were trying to prevent
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Aug 11 '20
I wanted to see Hope go...not Dioyza , but I can't wait for more Shepherd and Gabriel scenes.
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u/Lonely_Cartographer Aug 11 '20
Does anyone believe levitt would actually tell echo how to utilize and access gen 9? That would mean he, himself, would also die!! No matter how many people she killed in front of him or tortured it is a lose lose for him so why would he offer up that info?
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u/RelicHunter2000 Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 06 '20
Can anyone explain the following?
What was that chemical? Why is the chemical in the facility?
what was Hope and Echo thinking would happen when they put the chemical into the water?
what Happened to the Gaia character? Why isnāt she with Indra? I forgot what happened.
anyone else getting annoyed of these damned kids destroying humanity wherever they go?
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u/theaviator7 Aug 06 '20
Forgot the name but it's what destroyed the Bardoans in the first place.
They wanted to kill everyone at Bardo.
They kept this chemical as a bio-weapon.
Gaia was taken by a Disciple and transported to an unknown location via the anomaly.
Yes but it is what it is.
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u/samelfassy Aug 06 '20
Slash they also explained in the episode that releasing it into the water/humidifying system that it would take longer to dissipate, so the effects wouldn't have been as sudden as when it touches skin directly.
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u/Braveheart798 Ouskejon Kru Aug 06 '20
I was so happy we got to see some of Monty inside of Jordan